New York Apple retail union organizers are asking for $30 an hour

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Apple workers who are attempting to organize a union at the company's Grand Central Terminal retail store in New York City are asking to be paid at least $30 hour per hour, along with other benefits.

Grand Central Terminal
Grand Central Terminal


The workers first began to organize earlier in 2022. On April 16, the group started to gain momentum, taking steps that would result in it being the first Apple retail outlet to unionize.

On Monday, Fruit Stand Workers United published their first website, laying out their request for increased wages and other benefits.

"For pay, we seek a minimum $30 for all workers, built up on a matrix based on role, tenure, and performance," the organizers wrote. "For benefits, we seek more robust changes, like increased tuition reimbursement, faster accrued and more vacation time, and better retirement options, including higher match rates for 401(k) and enrollment into pension plans."

Additionally, the workers asked for better health and safety standards, including research into security protocols, track dust, health effects from building materials, and noise pollution at Grand Central.

Apple employees can make anywhere from $17 to more than $30 per hour, depending on the market and their experience. New York City, where the retail store is located, is the most expensive city in the U.S. to live. Apple says that its minimum hourly rate starts at $20.

In a statement, Apple said that it offers "very strong compensation and benefits for full time and part time employees."

Back in February, Apple also began preparing to issue pay raises and other benefits to retail staffers as it sought to keep workers in an increasingly competitive labor market.

While the group may organize the first retail union at Apple, this is not the first time that Apple workers have attempted to organize. Past efforts have included "Apple Together" and its predecessor, #AppleToo, which both advocated for awareness of harassment, sexism, and other issues at the Cupertino tech giant.

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  • Reply 1 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    I have no words. We are all human being but I just cannot accept there are people this stupid 

    so every employee gets $30 regardless, so what is my incentive for working hard? And what is the incentive for the slacker to work?
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  • Reply 2 of 46
    Apple shuts down NYC's stores for "remodeling" indefinitely. 
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  • Reply 3 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Apple
    announces  NYC stores will be online orders only with free over night shipping or in person pickup via Kiosks staffed with Robots .

    Union people sorry!
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  • Reply 4 of 46
    I commented before on an article from AI regarding Apple employees’ demands for certain things. In it I stated that they have the right to ask for better pay, better benefits, and better work environments - including part timers. This time, I’d like to say this is just stupid. Listen, I’m all for employees fighting for their rights and jumping ship to other companies if they don’t get what they want at their current workplace. However, I think demanding a $30/hour pay rate regardless of your job, skills, qualifications, etc is just ludicrous. There’s a difference between fighting for your rights and better benefits and just being greedy for zero effort. In my honest opinion, and as a former Apple employee, no other company does this. Sure we can argue all day that Apple isn’t “any other company” or that they’re a trillion dollar company with so much cash in the bank they literally don’t know what to do with it, but I’d rather Apple employees worked on commission. That way, people with the skills and qualifications to earn more, will earn more while those who are just slackers and don’t want to do crap yet get a paycheck regardless of their performance will earn less. In my opinion getting paid hourly is a trend that should be obliterated. Because I can work 80 hours per pay period yet only make $2000 while someone else working on commission can work 60 hours yet make $5000. Having a regular Sales Specialist earn $30/hour while managers in other retail stores make $15-$20/hour is a joke. I honestly think everyone who’s behind the unionizing efforts at Apple have no clue wth they’re even doing or what they even want. They need to have priorities. Otherwise they will fail. 
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  • Reply 5 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    I commented before on an article from AI regarding Apple employees’ demands for certain things. In it I stated that they have the right to ask for better pay, better benefits, and better work environments - including part timers. This time, I’d like to say this is just stupid. Listen, I’m all for employees fighting for their rights and jumping ship to other companies if they don’t get what they want at their current workplace. However, I think demanding a $30/hour pay rate regardless of your job, skills, qualifications, etc is just ludicrous. There’s a difference between fighting for your rights and better benefits and just being greedy for zero effort. In my honest opinion, and as a former Apple employee, no other company does this. Sure we can argue all day that Apple isn’t “any other company” or that they’re a trillion dollar company with so much cash in the bank they literally don’t know what to do with it, but I’d rather Apple employees worked on commission. That way, people with the skills and qualifications to earn more, will earn more while those who are just slackers and don’t want to do crap yet get a paycheck regardless of their performance will earn less. In my opinion getting paid hourly is a trend that should be obliterated. Because I can work 80 hours per pay period yet only make $2000 while someone else working on commission can work 60 hours yet make $5000. Having a regular Sales Specialist earn $30/hour while managers in other retail stores make $15-$20/hour is a joke. I honestly think everyone who’s behind the unionizing efforts at Apple have no clue wth they’re even doing or what they even want. They need to have priorities. Otherwise they will fail. 
    I will go one step further and bet a few bucks that every person behind these Union organizing are the least productive and worst employees , or the slackers.
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  • Reply 6 of 46
    bsimpsenbsimpsen Posts: 398member
    "For pay, we seek a minimum $30 for all workers, built up on a matrix based on role, tenure, and performance," the organizers wrote.
    Nowhere in that statement does it say that everyone would make $30, regardless of performance. Quite to the contrary, it states that wages would start at $30 and build from there, based on role, tenure, and performance.

    $30/hr would certainly be too much to pay for the kind of critique being leveled here so far.
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  • Reply 7 of 46
    It's an old union trick. By asking for the moon, they are trying to seduce the staff into signing up for a union vote. Wow! $30 + even better benefits. Where do I sign?
  • Reply 8 of 46
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    $30/hr is ridiculous for a retail worker. Here’s a radical idea. Apple Store workers should be paid on a draw+commission basis. No sell, no eat that week. That’s how I started (in1977) out selling musical instruments in a mall store. I got what was known as a ‘draw’ salary every month that went against any commissions I made in sales. My draw as $750/mo so if I sold enough product to earn $1000 in commissions I got $750 a draw check + $250 commission check. If the next month I only sold enough product to make $500 in commissions I still got my $750 draw but was now $250 in the hole so the following month I had to sell enough to make $1000 commission just to break even. Quite an incentive to work hard and sell, sell, sell. It quickly separates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). 

    But somehow I think the entitled little pricks today would think that’s slave labor or something. They want $30/hr? For what? Standing around and showing people where the iPhone cases are? Trying to explain to some idiot why their iPad screen will cost money to repair because they dropped it and don't have AppleCare?
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  • Reply 9 of 46
    JapheyJaphey Posts: 1,767member
    Madbum said:
    I have no words. We are all human being but I just cannot accept there are people this stupid 

    so every employee gets $30 regardless, so what is my incentive for working hard? And what is the incentive for the slacker to work?
    Most people are stupid. Most people are lazy. Are you just realizing this now? 
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  • Reply 10 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    bsimpsen said:
    "For pay, we seek a minimum $30 for all workers, built up on a matrix based on role, tenure, and performance," the organizers wrote.
    Nowhere in that statement does it say that everyone would make $30, regardless of performance. Quite to the contrary, it states that wages would start at $30 and build from there, based on role, tenure, and performance.

    $30/hr would certainly be too much to pay for the kind of critique being leveled here so far.
    “By seniority”, let me translate that for you, if you hide behind the union, and just hang out for a few years, no matter what your performance, you will be highly paid.

    Apple should not accept this. Fight it , fire them, do what is needed
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  • Reply 11 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    lkrupp said:
    $30/hr is ridiculous for a retail worker. Here’s a radical idea. Apple Store workers should be paid on a draw+commission basis. No sell, no eat that week. That’s how I started (in1977) out selling musical instruments in a mall store. I got what was known as a ‘draw’ salary every month that went against any commissions I made in sales. My draw as $750/mo so if I sold enough product to earn $1000 in commissions I got $750 a draw check + $250 commission check. If the next month I only sold enough product to make $500 in commissions I still got my $750 draw but was now $250 in the hole so the following month I had to sell enough to make $1000 commission just to break even. Quite an incentive to work hard and sell, sell, sell. It quickly separates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). 

    But somehow I think the entitled little pricks today would think that’s slave labor or something. They want $30/hr? For what? Standing around and showing people where the iPhone cases are? Trying to explain to some idiot why their iPad screen will cost money to repair because they dropped it and don't have AppleCare?
    Exactly for reason you mentioned, this union thing will not work against Apple, Apple will crush it with a smile. 

    These Apple store jobs can be filled by almost every teenager today who have been using Apple products  since they are 8, and that age just gets younger meaning even a bigger pool of talent for Apple to hire from. Why would they need to deal with any of this?

    we are talking 3 days of training from hiring. To floor max if they already know how to use the product.
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  • Reply 12 of 46
    lkrupp said:
    $30/hr is ridiculous for a retail worker. Here’s a radical idea. Apple Store workers should be paid on a draw+commission basis. No sell, no eat that week. That’s how I started (in1977) out selling musical instruments in a mall store. I got what was known as a ‘draw’ salary every month that went against any commissions I made in sales. My draw as $750/mo so if I sold enough product to earn $1000 in commissions I got $750 a draw check + $250 commission check. If the next month I only sold enough product to make $500 in commissions I still got my $750 draw but was now $250 in the hole so the following month I had to sell enough to make $1000 commission just to break even. Quite an incentive to work hard and sell, sell, sell. It quickly separates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). 

    But somehow I think the entitled little pricks today would think that’s slave labor or something. They want $30/hr? For what? Standing around and showing people where the iPhone cases are? Trying to explain to some idiot why their iPad screen will cost money to repair because they dropped it and don't have AppleCare?
    It is a radical idea. If it worked so well, Apple would have done that in the very beginning.
    The Good Guys and Circuit City (adjusted to the Best Buy model of pushing extended warranties which pretty much forced all their good sales people to leave) had that same model for years. Where are they now? The idea of being "sold to" when going into the Apple Store would be a huge turn off for many. Take your draw against commission BS and leave it at car dealers.
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  • Reply 13 of 46
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member
    $30/hr is a decent starting point for negotiations. Those expressing dismay or kneejerk reactions against this are really overreacting.
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  • Reply 14 of 46
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member
    lkrupp said:
    $30/hr is ridiculous for a retail worker. Here’s a radical idea. Apple Store workers should be paid on a draw+commission basis. No sell, no eat that week. That’s how I started (in1977) out selling musical instruments in a mall store. I got what was known as a ‘draw’ salary every month that went against any commissions I made in sales. My draw as $750/mo so if I sold enough product to earn $1000 in commissions I got $750 a draw check + $250 commission check. If the next month I only sold enough product to make $500 in commissions I still got my $750 draw but was now $250 in the hole so the following month I had to sell enough to make $1000 commission just to break even. Quite an incentive to work hard and sell, sell, sell. It quickly separates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). 

    But somehow I think the entitled little pricks today would think that’s slave labor or something. They want $30/hr? For what? Standing around and showing people where the iPhone cases are? Trying to explain to some idiot why their iPad screen will cost money to repair because they dropped it and don't have AppleCare?
    The lack of commissions is one of the great features of Apple stores. Steve was very clear about wanting this model at their introduction. There's nothing like a sleazy sales person paid on commission--you can't trust anything they say.

    $30/hr is not a whole lot for anyone working in NYC, even if they don't live there but must commute.
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  • Reply 15 of 46
    In Australia, the Apple "store within a store" concept is still running. Apple Sales Consultants get a good base salary (70-80% of the salary of a "professional" like an engineer with some experience) and have sales targets for AppleCare that tie into their compensation (never below base, but commissions can be sizeable). Sales targets for the physical products exist, but there's no real impact on compensation - it's more likely that less successful performers get moved to another store... then again, higher performers get moved between stores on a fairly regular basis as well. I have no idea what happens to the truly low performers - I only know two ASCs and have never asked.

    In the experience of one of those ASCs, the number of "sharks" working for the host stores is high, their sales staff turnover is high, none of the staff want to do the hard work (keeping the store presentable, managing stock, assisting customers with problems) and the majority are working their way through University. This same ASC says that Apple rarely hires people who are like the staff in the host stores.

    Now the experience of the ASC in a host store vs an Apple Store is probably different, but I can't see it being too dissimilar given the labour laws. The US experience is odd, from my perspective.
  • Reply 16 of 46
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,958member
    Cue the union haters. Drag out all the tired old union busting memes. 
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  • Reply 17 of 46
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    cpsro said:
    lkrupp said:
    $30/hr is ridiculous for a retail worker. Here’s a radical idea. Apple Store workers should be paid on a draw+commission basis. No sell, no eat that week. That’s how I started (in1977) out selling musical instruments in a mall store. I got what was known as a ‘draw’ salary every month that went against any commissions I made in sales. My draw as $750/mo so if I sold enough product to earn $1000 in commissions I got $750 a draw check + $250 commission check. If the next month I only sold enough product to make $500 in commissions I still got my $750 draw but was now $250 in the hole so the following month I had to sell enough to make $1000 commission just to break even. Quite an incentive to work hard and sell, sell, sell. It quickly separates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). 

    But somehow I think the entitled little pricks today would think that’s slave labor or something. They want $30/hr? For what? Standing around and showing people where the iPhone cases are? Trying to explain to some idiot why their iPad screen will cost money to repair because they dropped it and don't have AppleCare?
    The lack of commissions is one of the great features of Apple stores. Steve was very clear about wanting this model at their introduction. There's nothing like a sleazy sales person paid on commission--you can't trust anything they say.

    $30/hr is not a whole lot for anyone working in NYC, even if they don't live there but must commute.
    Maybe they can goto Bestbuy and ask for $30

    Apple store employees are smart people because they grew up using Apple products, that makes every 18 year old a possible candidate to work at the apple store with short training,therefore this creates an advantage for Apple. 



    while not every person can be in an Auto union , Apple store has plenty of people who can fill the job 
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  • Reply 18 of 46
    You get what you can negotiate for.
  • Reply 19 of 46
    Madbum said:
    I have no words. We are all human being but I just cannot accept there are people this stupid 

    so every employee gets $30 regardless, so what is my incentive for working hard? And what is the incentive for the slacker to work?
    I don’t understand your question at all. What is the incentive? It’s $30/hour, you just said so.
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  • Reply 20 of 46
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Such predictable indignation from people who haven't even read the story properly and would have Apple Stores become hard sell hellholes.
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