Oh please---even if U.S.&U.K. are totally wrong about WMD and terrorism we have done a GREAT thing for the Iraqi people. Just admit it. It's a win/win situation and Bush/Blair are taking this goodwill straight to the bank.
This freedom is brought to you by US Marine, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force and British Special Forces. Underwritten by US and British tax payers.
Don't forget Kangarooistan. Much dap for the mates in the 011-61 even if they've got greenpeace dangling from they ships.
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50 hothead dissidents tear down a dumb statue.
With all due respect, your braino needs some drano because it appears to be clogged with bias. To suggest that this is just hothead dissidents with the larger implication being that the masses do not who resent Saddam is booty wack to an extreme. You don't have to agree or condone the military action by acknowledging that Saddam is loathed by the overwhelming majority of Iraqis. Even all of the Iraqis who have said they don't like the Anglo invasion always qualify their condemnation of the war with the equivocation that they do not like the regime at all. This isn't hothead dissidents. They mostly hate Saddam and it is ridiculous that you cannot admit as much.
With all due respect, your braino needs some drano because it appears to be clogged with bias. To suggest that this is just hothead dissidents with the larger implication being that the masses do not who resent Saddam is booty wack to an extreme. You don't have to agree or condone the military action by acknowledging that Saddam is loathed by the overwhelming majority of Iraqis. Even all of the Iraqis who have said they don't like the Anglo invasion always qualify their condemnation of the war with the equivocation that they do not like the regime at all. This isn't hothead dissidents. They mostly hate Saddam and it is ridiculous that you cannot admit as much.
Okay then.
50 coldhead representatives of the Iraqi league of Saddam-haters. How's that for a tube draining all my brains till it gets to the point where I ...
it will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few weeks. right now it sounds like the Iraqi's are very happy to have us there.
when i heard the reports on the radio about people saying "we love Bush", waving to the US forces, dancing etc. i had to wonder if it wasn't just the same things we'd seen before only this time with Americans in mind.
i'd stipulated (along with many others) that Iraqi's weren't celebrating before because they were scared of retribution. i was wondering if they were just celebrating now because they were afraid of the American forces there, so wanted to appear non threatening.
however, after seeing video footage of the celebrations, i no longer doubt that these people are estatic to have the coalition forces in their city, and they wanted Saddam gone.
so, for all the folks with the "no war for oil" and "let the Iraqi's overthrow their own leaders" does this change your opinion?
so, for all the folks with the "no war for oil" and "let the Iraqi's overthrow their own leaders" does this change your opinion?
No.
Let's count up the civilian bodies before we start celebrating. If the 30,000+ military casualties is a correct number, let's remember how many thousands of them were forced conscripts that died because they either fought and died or didn't fight and died. Let's remember that for ten years the U.S. and U.K. silently pushed for this war by blocking aid.
Let's find out if Saddam actually had the WMD, specifically nuclear capability, that this war was so contingent on finding.
"I'm 49, but I never lived a single day," said Yusuf Abed Kazim, a Baghdad imam who pounded the statue's pedestal with a sledgehammer. "Only now will I start living. That Saddam Hussein is a murderer and a criminal."
I think this is great great news and has me rethinking everything . . . . I'll admit it.
That's very impressive, pfflam. I salute your simple willingness to maybe set aside the bias and feelings you might harbor toward this administration and this war (which others here are clinging to even HARDER, it seems...) to admit that.
Good for you.
I know it doesn't mean everything, but you're the first I've seen here actually step back and go "hmmm, maybe...".
Let's find out if Saddam actually had the WMD, specifically nuclear capability, that this war was so contingent on finding.
Any chance we could squeeze in a small celebration of the liberation of an oppressed, terrorized nation in there too?
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Now is when the funny stuff will officially begin: the goalposts will be picked up and moved 20 yards back. The armchair analyzing about how we "didn't do this" and "didn't do that" will begin (mostly by people who never wore the uniform and don't know anything about anything), about how the cheering Iraqis are a "put on" and so forth, etc.
Should be a hoot.
The chance of anyone actually admitting they were wrong and misjudged everything is practically zero, so I shall have to settle for mocking and dinging their post-war CYA and "yeah, but..." tactics.
The chance of anyone actually admitting they were wrong and misjudged everything is practically zero, so I shall have to settle for mocking and dinging their post-war CYA and "yeah, but..." tactics.
Well, that ain't me.
I always said that this war would be a cakewalk. I always said that the Iraqi people would welcome our brave troops with open arms. "It'll be over by April", I said, and I was almost right.
I am proud of Tony 'The Wolf' Blair for the stand he took. Ich bin ein Baghdader.
The war seems to be almost finished in Iraq and at least in Baghdad, but is not finished in AI.
After 30 years of dictatorship, it's not difficult to understand that Iraq people are happy to be liberated from Saddam. I don't know if Iraq people are happy to see US troops, but it's not that difficult to understand that they can be happy to be free.
Even if i was against this war,( for various reasons), i am happy that Saddam do not lead Iraq anymore. And if Iraq people are happy of that, i am happy for them.
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Originally posted by der Kopf
Try purple.
Oh please---even if U.S.&U.K. are totally wrong about WMD and terrorism we have done a GREAT thing for the Iraqi people. Just admit it. It's a win/win situation and Bush/Blair are taking this goodwill straight to the bank.
This freedom is brought to you by US Marine, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force and British Special Forces. Underwritten by US and British tax payers.
Don't forget Kangarooistan. Much dap for the mates in the 011-61 even if they've got greenpeace dangling from they ships.
50 hothead dissidents tear down a dumb statue.
With all due respect, your braino needs some drano because it appears to be clogged with bias. To suggest that this is just hothead dissidents with the larger implication being that the masses do not who resent Saddam is booty wack to an extreme. You don't have to agree or condone the military action by acknowledging that Saddam is loathed by the overwhelming majority of Iraqis. Even all of the Iraqis who have said they don't like the Anglo invasion always qualify their condemnation of the war with the equivocation that they do not like the regime at all. This isn't hothead dissidents. They mostly hate Saddam and it is ridiculous that you cannot admit as much.
Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath
With all due respect, your braino needs some drano because it appears to be clogged with bias. To suggest that this is just hothead dissidents with the larger implication being that the masses do not who resent Saddam is booty wack to an extreme. You don't have to agree or condone the military action by acknowledging that Saddam is loathed by the overwhelming majority of Iraqis. Even all of the Iraqis who have said they don't like the Anglo invasion always qualify their condemnation of the war with the equivocation that they do not like the regime at all. This isn't hothead dissidents. They mostly hate Saddam and it is ridiculous that you cannot admit as much.
Okay then.
50 coldhead representatives of the Iraqi league of Saddam-haters. How's that for a tube draining all my brains till it gets to the point where I ...
Originally posted by ena
BBC report:
"Coalition forces vandalize statue of former Iraqi administration President. Women, Children, and Journalists hardest hit."
Damn. I thought we could find something we could all be happy about but some numbnuts go and ruin it.
Just because the BBC attempted objectivity and you didn't see:
"Heroic marines bravely step by the bodies of Iraqi death squad members disguised as children accidentaly killed by their terrorist brethren."
The war is still wrong.
Originally posted by der Kopf
Okay then.
50 coldhead representatives of the Iraqi league of Saddam-haters. How's that for a tube draining all my brains till it gets to the point where I ...
be quiet and go eat some waffles!
Originally posted by The General
be quiet and go eat some waffles!
(If I may Kopf?)
Be quiet and go eat some burgers!
when i heard the reports on the radio about people saying "we love Bush", waving to the US forces, dancing etc. i had to wonder if it wasn't just the same things we'd seen before only this time with Americans in mind.
i'd stipulated (along with many others) that Iraqi's weren't celebrating before because they were scared of retribution. i was wondering if they were just celebrating now because they were afraid of the American forces there, so wanted to appear non threatening.
however, after seeing video footage of the celebrations, i no longer doubt that these people are estatic to have the coalition forces in their city, and they wanted Saddam gone.
so, for all the folks with the "no war for oil" and "let the Iraqi's overthrow their own leaders" does this change your opinion?
Originally posted by Harald
(If I may Kopf?)
Be quiet and go eat some burgers!
Already did! so there!
Originally posted by alcimedes
so, for all the folks with the "no war for oil" and "let the Iraqi's overthrow their own leaders" does this change your opinion?
No.
Let's count up the civilian bodies before we start celebrating. If the 30,000+ military casualties is a correct number, let's remember how many thousands of them were forced conscripts that died because they either fought and died or didn't fight and died. Let's remember that for ten years the U.S. and U.K. silently pushed for this war by blocking aid.
Let's find out if Saddam actually had the WMD, specifically nuclear capability, that this war was so contingent on finding.
"I'm 49, but I never lived a single day," said Yusuf Abed Kazim, a Baghdad imam who pounded the statue's pedestal with a sledgehammer. "Only now will I start living. That Saddam Hussein is a murderer and a criminal."
Originally posted by The General
be quiet and go eat some waffles!
In general, I tend to piss on Generals.
No that's harsh. I just wish to say that I hate all things military with many (not all) fibres of my body.
And, I'm baffled by the argumentative force of your post. Very insightful and intelligent. You are truly a military man, General.
Originally posted by pfflam
I think this is great great news and has me rethinking everything . . . . I'll admit it.
That's very impressive, pfflam. I salute your simple willingness to maybe set aside the bias and feelings you might harbor toward this administration and this war (which others here are clinging to even HARDER, it seems...) to admit that.
Good for you.
I know it doesn't mean everything, but you're the first I've seen here actually step back and go "hmmm, maybe...".
Originally posted by bunge
Let's find out if Saddam actually had the WMD, specifically nuclear capability, that this war was so contingent on finding.
Any chance we could squeeze in a small celebration of the liberation of an oppressed, terrorized nation in there too?
Now is when the funny stuff will officially begin: the goalposts will be picked up and moved 20 yards back. The armchair analyzing about how we "didn't do this" and "didn't do that" will begin (mostly by people who never wore the uniform and don't know anything about anything), about how the cheering Iraqis are a "put on" and so forth, etc.
Should be a hoot.
The chance of anyone actually admitting they were wrong and misjudged everything is practically zero, so I shall have to settle for mocking and dinging their post-war CYA and "yeah, but..." tactics.
Originally posted by pscates
The chance of anyone actually admitting they were wrong and misjudged everything is practically zero, so I shall have to settle for mocking and dinging their post-war CYA and "yeah, but..." tactics.
Well, that ain't me.
I always said that this war would be a cakewalk. I always said that the Iraqi people would welcome our brave troops with open arms. "It'll be over by April", I said, and I was almost right.
I am proud of Tony 'The Wolf' Blair for the stand he took. Ich bin ein Baghdader.
After 30 years of dictatorship, it's not difficult to understand that Iraq people are happy to be liberated from Saddam. I don't know if Iraq people are happy to see US troops, but it's not that difficult to understand that they can be happy to be free.
Even if i was against this war,( for various reasons), i am happy that Saddam do not lead Iraq anymore. And if Iraq people are happy of that, i am happy for them.