MacBidouille posts PPC 970 benchmarks

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  • Reply 441 of 665
    kurtkurt Posts: 225member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NETROMac

    Pallets are covered with the opaque and sealed film.

    There are above stickers with following information:



    "tamper proof seal, confidential property inside, prosecution may result if opened by unauthorized personnel"







    Apple's version of gift wrapped with a 'Do not open until Christmas' sticker. Or in this case WWDC.
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  • Reply 442 of 665
    nukemhillnukemhill Posts: 38member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Kurt

    Apple's version of gift wrapped with a 'Do not open until Christmas' sticker. Or in this case WWDC.



    I guess I don't see the difference!
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  • Reply 443 of 665
    shaktaishaktai Posts: 157member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by philby

    Unfortunately, the possibility or even probability of disappointment builds on a parallel curve.



    I have lived too long to fear disappointment, though it has often been my companion in younger days. Rather I choose to live my life in hopeful expectation. In the end I find that reality exceeds my expectations more then it falls short. It is time to be surprised. Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.



    Yet there are always those who will insist upon being disappointed. They will find a reason, no matter what.
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  • Reply 444 of 665
    fred_ljfred_lj Posts: 607member
    Yeah, what he said!



    ...and the fact that Apple pretty much has to do SOMETHING to the Power Mac line or else they can kiss sales goodbye (it would be, as I would think of it, a test of "can a computer company live off laptops and consumer boxes alone?").
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  • Reply 445 of 665
    drboardrboar Posts: 477member
    Disappointment?

    Compared to the G4 that has dragged its feat since 1999 I can not imagine that we will be disappointed



    However if one expect a tower were the lowend model beats the crap out of dual xeons and also cost less than the eMac, disappointment is a sure thing.



    The real test of the 970 will not be during 2003 (the G4 is hardly a hard act to follow) but 2004 and 2005 and how well it will scale.
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  • Reply 446 of 665
    ooh oooh. It's going to be a VERY long 4 weeks....



    _ <--- drool
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  • Reply 447 of 665
    nukemhillnukemhill Posts: 38member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by The Mactivist

    ooh oooh. It's going to be a VERY long 4 weeks....



    _ <--- drool




    Well, my wife has twins coming by the 28th, so these next four weeks are going to go awfully quickly, if you ask me!



    Not to get too off-topic there....
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  • Reply 448 of 665
    netromacnetromac Posts: 863member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NukemHill

    Well, my wife has twins coming by the 28th, so these next four weeks are going to go awfully quickly, if you ask me!



    Not to get too off-topic there....




    Can it possibly get any more off-topic
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  • Reply 449 of 665
    lemon bon bonlemon bon bon Posts: 2,383member
    It's different this time.



    We've got IBM and they've got their own corner to fight. Apple is merely a bonus.



    Apple can benefit from IBM 'renewed' interest in PPC.



    980 from Power 5.



    I doubt IBM just decided to make the 970 with no roadmap. Other cpus will come.



    And if the 980 is anything...ANYTHING like the promised Power5 then the 970 is merely the 'warm up' act.



    In the meantime, Lemon Bon Bon, try telling that to performance starved Apple tower users who gasp in amazement when the 970 dual well and truly kicks the crap out of any Pentium 4 or G4 system out there.



    And the low end 970? At 1.4 gig, I bet it benches with Intel's latest on FP and SIMD performance. Near as dammit.



    Intel's 3 gig chip won't wanna meat the dual 1.8 970 in any dark alley.



    Lemon Bon Bon
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  • Reply 450 of 665
    lemon bon bonlemon bon bon Posts: 2,383member
    So, Intel will have a 10 gig chip by 2005 will they?



    I'm 'impressed'.



    I'd rather have the dual 980 at 4.5 gig each with twice - four times (or more judging by the Power5) the per-clock performance of the 970...



    Lemon Bon Bon
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  • Reply 451 of 665
    kurtkurt Posts: 225member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon

    It's different this time.







    I doubt IBM just decided to make the 970 with no roadmap. Other cpus will come.





    Lemon Bon Bon




    Could this have anything to do with your statement?



    "PowerPC 970 ? First in a new family of high-performance 64-bit PowerPC microprocessors"



    From here: IBM announcement



    Since IBM announced that there is a family of these chips coming, I think your statements is pretty accurate. Besides, Moki hinted at that already too.
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  • Reply 452 of 665
    keyboardf12keyboardf12 Posts: 1,379member
    The better question is:



    When or if has Intel stated that they are going to begin to ship dual core consumer chips?
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  • Reply 453 of 665
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,503member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Ensign Pulver

    They don't, which is why the transaltion is confusing.



    I am a proponent of the 970 based Power Macs at WWDC theory, but retail ready boxes with the conference still a month away seems pretty unrealistic.




    It is consistent with their previous rumour, however. They said that 1.4 GHz boxes would be rolling off the production lines by the end of May to be at retail when the announcement happens at WWDC. The timing is believable if you're willing to believe the delivery schedule of the 970. It is within 2 months of the production time that IBM originally gave for the 970 back in October, and the rumours we've heard say that sampling and production were going very well.
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  • Reply 454 of 665
    brunobruinbrunobruin Posts: 552member
    Well, I'll give MacBidouille this: they're so far out on a limb right now the branch is breaking. If 970 Power Macs DON'T ship at WWDC, any credibility they might have will evaporate in a flash. They'll be this year's Spymac.



    What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \
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  • Reply 455 of 665
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,503member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BrunoBruin

    Well, I'll give MacBidouille this: they're so far out on a limb right now the branch is breaking. If 970 Power Macs DON'T ship at WWDC, any credibility they might have will evaporate in a flash. They'll be this year's Spymac.



    What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \




    I agree completely, but if they're right their credibility is going to improve dramatically.
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  • Reply 456 of 665
    keyboardf12keyboardf12 Posts: 1,379member
    macbippyboopy had photos of the MDD when all other rumor sites did not.



    10.2.7 on 970 would not be running in emulation.



    I do agree they are reaaaaaaaallllllllly out on a limb now though. this actually dovetails with visigothes comments though. brochures are problably way lower on the totem pole so i could not see them being dsigned or made form someone outside of apple until a month at the earliest before a launch.



    guess we'll know in a month.
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  • Reply 457 of 665
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BrunoBruin

    If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \



    Why not?



    - End of June - WWDC 970's announced (shipping early in July)

    - Early July ... (usual Apple delay with new hardware)

    - Mid July systems start to ship (with luck)

    - End July systems land in end use hands

    - Early - Mid Sep OS X 10.3 rolls off the line



    Running a less then optimum config ( 970 + special 10.2.x build ) for what a few weeks (maybe a tad over a month at the most) ... not a big deal from where I sit. The only way this might matter is if the 970 running 10.2.x is REALLY SLOW then I could see some issues... but even then, so long as 10.3 makes the 970 'come alive' then it shouldn't really matter.



    Finally...



    Could it be that the first batch of machines will be earmarked for DEVELOPERS ONLY?!?! Hey it could happen and these folks would ALL have builds of pre-release Panther in order to test all of their software!



    Hmmm now THAT makes some real sense...



    Dave
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  • Reply 458 of 665
    leonisleonis Posts: 3,427member
    Again



    A tweaked version of 10.2 will be just fine.



    Having a brand new OS on a brand new hardware can mean lots of problems since both are "untested"



    Buying the new 970 PowerMac and get 10.3 upgrade for free will be what they are doing I think
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  • Reply 459 of 665
    philbyphilby Posts: 124member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Shaktai

    Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.



    Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful. This reflects not so much on what we'll get, but on what we currently have, which I find to be far from wonderful.



    Anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.
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  • Reply 460 of 665
    soopadrivesoopadrive Posts: 182member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by philby

    Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful.



    ...anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.




    That's why it's good to be an optimist. It's in Apple's best interest to resurrect their PMs, and the sooner the better.

    And what better time and place to do it than WWDC.
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