Unfortunately, the possibility or even probability of disappointment builds on a parallel curve.
I have lived too long to fear disappointment, though it has often been my companion in younger days. Rather I choose to live my life in hopeful expectation. In the end I find that reality exceeds my expectations more then it falls short. It is time to be surprised. Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.
Yet there are always those who will insist upon being disappointed. They will find a reason, no matter what.
...and the fact that Apple pretty much has to do SOMETHING to the Power Mac line or else they can kiss sales goodbye (it would be, as I would think of it, a test of "can a computer company live off laptops and consumer boxes alone?").
We've got IBM and they've got their own corner to fight. Apple is merely a bonus.
Apple can benefit from IBM 'renewed' interest in PPC.
980 from Power 5.
I doubt IBM just decided to make the 970 with no roadmap. Other cpus will come.
And if the 980 is anything...ANYTHING like the promised Power5 then the 970 is merely the 'warm up' act.
In the meantime, Lemon Bon Bon, try telling that to performance starved Apple tower users who gasp in amazement when the 970 dual well and truly kicks the crap out of any Pentium 4 or G4 system out there.
And the low end 970? At 1.4 gig, I bet it benches with Intel's latest on FP and SIMD performance. Near as dammit.
Intel's 3 gig chip won't wanna meat the dual 1.8 970 in any dark alley.
Since IBM announced that there is a family of these chips coming, I think your statements is pretty accurate. Besides, Moki hinted at that already too.
They don't, which is why the transaltion is confusing.
I am a proponent of the 970 based Power Macs at WWDC theory, but retail ready boxes with the conference still a month away seems pretty unrealistic.
It is consistent with their previous rumour, however. They said that 1.4 GHz boxes would be rolling off the production lines by the end of May to be at retail when the announcement happens at WWDC. The timing is believable if you're willing to believe the delivery schedule of the 970. It is within 2 months of the production time that IBM originally gave for the 970 back in October, and the rumours we've heard say that sampling and production were going very well.
Well, I'll give MacBidouille this: they're so far out on a limb right now the branch is breaking. If 970 Power Macs DON'T ship at WWDC, any credibility they might have will evaporate in a flash. They'll be this year's Spymac.
What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \
Well, I'll give MacBidouille this: they're so far out on a limb right now the branch is breaking. If 970 Power Macs DON'T ship at WWDC, any credibility they might have will evaporate in a flash. They'll be this year's Spymac.
What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \
I agree completely, but if they're right their credibility is going to improve dramatically.
macbippyboopy had photos of the MDD when all other rumor sites did not.
10.2.7 on 970 would not be running in emulation.
I do agree they are reaaaaaaaallllllllly out on a limb now though. this actually dovetails with visigothes comments though. brochures are problably way lower on the totem pole so i could not see them being dsigned or made form someone outside of apple until a month at the earliest before a launch.
If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!" \
Why not?
- End of June - WWDC 970's announced (shipping early in July)
- Early July ... (usual Apple delay with new hardware)
- Mid July systems start to ship (with luck)
- End July systems land in end use hands
- Early - Mid Sep OS X 10.3 rolls off the line
Running a less then optimum config ( 970 + special 10.2.x build ) for what a few weeks (maybe a tad over a month at the most) ... not a big deal from where I sit. The only way this might matter is if the 970 running 10.2.x is REALLY SLOW then I could see some issues... but even then, so long as 10.3 makes the 970 'come alive' then it shouldn't really matter.
Finally...
Could it be that the first batch of machines will be earmarked for DEVELOPERS ONLY?!?! Hey it could happen and these folks would ALL have builds of pre-release Panther in order to test all of their software!
Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.
Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful. This reflects not so much on what we'll get, but on what we currently have, which I find to be far from wonderful.
Anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.
Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful.
...anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.
That's why it's good to be an optimist. It's in Apple's best interest to resurrect their PMs, and the sooner the better.
And what better time and place to do it than WWDC.
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Originally posted by NETROMac
Pallets are covered with the opaque and sealed film.
There are above stickers with following information:
"tamper proof seal, confidential property inside, prosecution may result if opened by unauthorized personnel"
Apple's version of gift wrapped with a 'Do not open until Christmas' sticker. Or in this case WWDC.
Originally posted by Kurt
Apple's version of gift wrapped with a 'Do not open until Christmas' sticker. Or in this case WWDC.
I guess I don't see the difference!
Originally posted by philby
Unfortunately, the possibility or even probability of disappointment builds on a parallel curve.
I have lived too long to fear disappointment, though it has often been my companion in younger days. Rather I choose to live my life in hopeful expectation. In the end I find that reality exceeds my expectations more then it falls short. It is time to be surprised. Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.
Yet there are always those who will insist upon being disappointed. They will find a reason, no matter what.
...and the fact that Apple pretty much has to do SOMETHING to the Power Mac line or else they can kiss sales goodbye (it would be, as I would think of it, a test of "can a computer company live off laptops and consumer boxes alone?").
Compared to the G4 that has dragged its feat since 1999 I can not imagine that we will be disappointed
However if one expect a tower were the lowend model beats the crap out of dual xeons and also cost less than the eMac, disappointment is a sure thing.
The real test of the 970 will not be during 2003 (the G4 is hardly a hard act to follow) but 2004 and 2005 and how well it will scale.
Originally posted by The Mactivist
ooh oooh. It's going to be a VERY long 4 weeks....
Well, my wife has twins coming by the 28th, so these next four weeks are going to go awfully quickly, if you ask me!
Not to get too off-topic there....
Originally posted by NukemHill
Well, my wife has twins coming by the 28th, so these next four weeks are going to go awfully quickly, if you ask me!
Not to get too off-topic there....
Can it possibly get any more off-topic
We've got IBM and they've got their own corner to fight. Apple is merely a bonus.
Apple can benefit from IBM 'renewed' interest in PPC.
980 from Power 5.
I doubt IBM just decided to make the 970 with no roadmap. Other cpus will come.
And if the 980 is anything...ANYTHING like the promised Power5 then the 970 is merely the 'warm up' act.
In the meantime, Lemon Bon Bon, try telling that to performance starved Apple tower users who gasp in amazement when the 970 dual well and truly kicks the crap out of any Pentium 4 or G4 system out there.
And the low end 970? At 1.4 gig, I bet it benches with Intel's latest on FP and SIMD performance. Near as dammit.
Intel's 3 gig chip won't wanna meat the dual 1.8 970 in any dark alley.
Lemon Bon Bon
I'm 'impressed'.
I'd rather have the dual 980 at 4.5 gig each with twice - four times (or more judging by the Power5) the per-clock performance of the 970...
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
It's different this time.
I doubt IBM just decided to make the 970 with no roadmap. Other cpus will come.
Lemon Bon Bon
Could this have anything to do with your statement?
"PowerPC 970 ? First in a new family of high-performance 64-bit PowerPC microprocessors"
From here: IBM announcement
Since IBM announced that there is a family of these chips coming, I think your statements is pretty accurate. Besides, Moki hinted at that already too.
When or if has Intel stated that they are going to begin to ship dual core consumer chips?
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
They don't, which is why the transaltion is confusing.
I am a proponent of the 970 based Power Macs at WWDC theory, but retail ready boxes with the conference still a month away seems pretty unrealistic.
It is consistent with their previous rumour, however. They said that 1.4 GHz boxes would be rolling off the production lines by the end of May to be at retail when the announcement happens at WWDC. The timing is believable if you're willing to believe the delivery schedule of the 970. It is within 2 months of the production time that IBM originally gave for the 970 back in October, and the rumours we've heard say that sampling and production were going very well.
What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!"
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
Well, I'll give MacBidouille this: they're so far out on a limb right now the branch is breaking. If 970 Power Macs DON'T ship at WWDC, any credibility they might have will evaporate in a flash. They'll be this year's Spymac.
What gives me pause is the fact that none of the other rumor sites seem to have a clue about this; and more important, what OS are these boxes going to run? If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!"
I agree completely, but if they're right their credibility is going to improve dramatically.
10.2.7 on 970 would not be running in emulation.
I do agree they are reaaaaaaaallllllllly out on a limb now though. this actually dovetails with visigothes comments though. brochures are problably way lower on the totem pole so i could not see them being dsigned or made form someone outside of apple until a month at the earliest before a launch.
guess we'll know in a month.
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
If WWDC is all about Panther and 64-bit systems, what is Steve going to say? "We have amazing new machines shipping right now, and oh by the way, the OS for them will ship in September. But until then you can still run 10.2 in emulation! Isn't that COOL? I'm sure you'll all want to buy one today anyway!"
Why not?
- End of June - WWDC 970's announced (shipping early in July)
- Early July ... (usual Apple delay with new hardware)
- Mid July systems start to ship (with luck)
- End July systems land in end use hands
- Early - Mid Sep OS X 10.3 rolls off the line
Running a less then optimum config ( 970 + special 10.2.x build ) for what a few weeks (maybe a tad over a month at the most) ... not a big deal from where I sit. The only way this might matter is if the 970 running 10.2.x is REALLY SLOW then I could see some issues... but even then, so long as 10.3 makes the 970 'come alive' then it shouldn't really matter.
Finally...
Could it be that the first batch of machines will be earmarked for DEVELOPERS ONLY?!?! Hey it could happen and these folks would ALL have builds of pre-release Panther in order to test all of their software!
Hmmm now THAT makes some real sense...
Dave
A tweaked version of 10.2 will be just fine.
Having a brand new OS on a brand new hardware can mean lots of problems since both are "untested"
Buying the new 970 PowerMac and get 10.3 upgrade for free will be what they are doing I think
Originally posted by Shaktai
Something wonderful is coming, something better then what we have.
Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful. This reflects not so much on what we'll get, but on what we currently have, which I find to be far from wonderful.
Anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.
Originally posted by philby
Well, call me a pessimist, but something better than what we currently have does not make it wonderful.
...anyway, what I meant by "possibly being disappointed" is not the new hardware (and Panther), but that the talks and speculations here are based on just rumours, and that we might not see any 970 PowerMacs at WWDC. This, to me, would be a disappointment.
That's why it's good to be an optimist. It's in Apple's best interest to resurrect their PMs, and the sooner the better.
And what better time and place to do it than WWDC.