Yeah, I think JYD is right. I read this somewhere where....Apples new business model right?!? Instead of coming out with faster/newer machines they are just gonna make them bigger. By this time next year I will be able to mount the pb on the hood of my Jeep and use it as a UV sheild!!
No, it sounded like you were simply adding 1.5 inches of screen diagnoly from the point where the current screen ends. Did you take into account the .3 inch of bezel in the upper right hand corner? The bezel itself would likely have to be bigger to prevent flex and house a larger backlight. It would be huge, even bigger than that Alienware laptop. Not nearly as thick though. Sure it would be cool but you need to sell them if you want to stay in business. There is not much market for a $5000+ laptop that can't be used on a lap. It would end up being a transportable desktop computer. Not a bad replacement for the 20th Anniversay Mac but not as a true laptop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are not understanding me, the screen would have to be one inch taller and 1.5 inches wider to make a 15.2 inch screen a 17 inch screen. The current powerbook is 13.4 inches wide and 9.5 inches tall including the bezel. Adding the extra screen area and not adding anything to the bezel would make the case 14.9 inches wide and 10.5 inches tall which is bigger but not a mammoth. Also please recognize that Apple has never marketed the ti as a laptop ever, but as a notebook, from the begining the heat issue has precluded it from being a laptop. Also if it kept the same components it would be around 4,000 not 5,000, the new screen would only add a few hundred MAX.
I do agree that it would be approaching the boundary of being portable due to its width, but man it would be so cool.
Aside from this, we disagree and are now just babbling back and forth. Lets agree to disagree.
You are right. The 17incher will have to drop in price, my bet is 17 inch 699-799, 19inch 1199-1299. $700 is a lot for the base monitor, but $400 bucks off makes it a steal.
On a slightly different note. I personally think Apple should change the current 17 inch display to the 17 inch display on the 17inch iMac and go to an all widescreen format.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Howcome Apples screens arent WideScreen ? I mean, they are wider than displays that are 4:3, but they are still somewhere in between 4:3 and 16:9 which is WideScreen! My PowerBook G4 With WideScreen is accually 13.5:9. A proper WideScreen resolution would be 1365:768, not 1152x768...
It just bugs me that my WideScreen monitor still have black stripes on the top and bottom when playing WideScreen DVDs.. I mean, isnt that what Apple is marketing their screens for ? Proper WideScreen format for video proffesionals ?
Im just curious... Of course, if it was proper WideScreen, they would have to increase the resolution to 1820x1024, due to the very much increased wide aspect of the screen...
Why do people want a laptop the size of a briefcase? I don't get it. Do you understand how ridiculously big it would be with a 17inch screen?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I believe I can speak to this. First of all, do your research before you question the wisdom of Apple marketing. 17" will be the low end model. The upcoming Cinema Display PowerBook G4 to be unveiled on November 5th will sport a stunning 23" TFT display.
I sat in on a meeting the other day with Rubinstein and a few other higher ups in the hardware division. The studio display laptop was the primary agenda. Amazingly, the large display is actually not as exciting as some of the other features.
Due to the immense width of this new portable, expect a series of new Apple ads touting the CDPBG4 as the first and only laptop with support for dual laps. Accordingly, each Cinema Display PowerBook will provide two fullsize keyboards and trackpads (!) to support multi-lap configurations out of the box.
Another groundbreaking aspect of the new book (Cinema Display model only) are two pairs of smartly designed new elbow rests. These are situated at the frontmost edge of the enclosure. A gentle slope accomodates the girth of the forearm as you trace your way towards the back of the unit and leads into the palm rests to either side of each keyboard. Usage of the elbow rests will go a long way towards preventing stress related trauma to the wrists and RSI by encouraging better posture.
Another note - the refined titanium alloy used in the CDPBG4's enclosure has enabled Apple engineers to further reduce unwanted airport range (which can be an extremely annoying source of interference to many cordless phones). I'm told they've been able to get the range down to around 4 or 5 feet max in the new book. Not bad... Finally, wireless networking and crystal clear 2 Ghz cordless phones under the same roof.
Go ahead and be cynical if you want - but you cannot deny that November 5 will be a day to remember.
You are not understanding me, the screen would have to be one inch taller and 1.5 inches wider to make a 15.2 inch screen a 17 inch screen. The current powerbook is 13.4 inches wide and 9.5 inches tall including the bezel. Adding the extra screen area and not adding anything to the bezel would make the case 14.9 inches wide and 10.5 inches tall which is bigger but not a mammoth. Also please recognize that Apple has never marketed the ti as a laptop ever, but as a notebook, from the begining the heat issue has precluded it from being a laptop. Also if it kept the same components it would be around 4,000 not 5,000, the new screen would only add a few hundred MAX.
I do agree that it would be approaching the boundary of being portable due to its width, but man it would be so cool.
Aside from this, we disagree and are now just babbling back and forth. Lets agree to disagree.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I am using my PowerBook G4 on my lap right now and I don't have a problem. What's that burning smell? Actually, I usually use it at my desk so I wouldn't mind your PowerBook. It just wouldn't really be ideal as a laptop. I forgot that the backlighting is the number #1 drain on battery power so the larger the screen the worse it gets. I always imagined they would be using white electroluminecent sheets as backlighting by now. They used more primitive green ones on the Newtons. I do think the screen size will increase at some point but not by much. I can see a 15.5 or 16 widescreen. I'm sure at some point they will have no bezels at all but this is probably a long ways off. Babble babble babble.
I believe I can speak to this. First of all, do your research before you question the wisdom of Apple marketing. 17" will be the low end model. The upcoming Cinema Display PowerBook G4 to be unveiled on November 5th will sport a stunning 23" TFT display.
I sat in on a meeting the other day with Rubinstein and a few other higher ups in the hardware division. The studio display laptop was the primary agenda. Amazingly, the large display is actually not as exciting as some of the other features.
Due to the immense width of this new portable, expect a series of new Apple ads touting the CDPBG4 as the first and only laptop with support for dual laps. Accordingly, each Cinema Display PowerBook will provide two fullsize keyboards and trackpads (!) to support multi-lap configurations out of the box.
Another groundbreaking aspect of the new book (Cinema Display model only) are two pairs of smartly designed new elbow rests. These are situated at the frontmost edge of the enclosure. A gentle slope accomodates the girth of the forearm as you trace your way towards the back of the unit and leads into the palm rests to either side of each keyboard. Usage of the elbow rests will go a long way towards preventing stress related trauma to the wrists and RSI by encouraging better posture.
Another note - the refined titanium alloy used in the CDPBG4's enclosure has enabled Apple engineers to further reduce unwanted airport range (which can be an extremely annoying source of interference to many cordless phones). I'm told they've been able to get the range down to around 4 or 5 feet max in the new book. Not bad... Finally, wireless networking and crystal clear 2 Ghz cordless phones under the same roof.
Go ahead and be cynical if you want - but you cannot deny that November 5 will be a day to remember.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two fullsize keyboards? If you are correct, Apple might have to drop the word "portable" when describing this laptop.
According to MacUser (UK) magazine, the PowerBooks released in November will have 867MHz and 933MHz processors (due to heat and battery life issues), retain a 133MHz system bus, have no SuperDrive (as slot loading SuperDrives aren't available in the correct form factor for the PowerBook), but include built in Bluetooth connectivity.
Although it seems odd that Bluetooth (and only Bluetooth in terms of new hardware) will be included, which presumably requires a change to the motherboard anyway, MacUser sources have tended to be correct in the past.
<strong>According to MacUser (UK) magazine, the PowerBooks released in November will have 867MHz and 933MHz processors (due to heat and battery life issues), retain a 133MHz system bus, have no SuperDrive (as slot loading SuperDrives aren't available in the correct form factor for the PowerBook), but include built in Bluetooth connectivity.
Although it seems odd that Bluetooth (and only Bluetooth in terms of new hardware) will be included, which presumably requires a change to the motherboard anyway, MacUser sources have tended to be correct in the past.
Replying to myself! Great. But Sharp really did. Awesome quality, clarity, and price! What about a roll-out, roll up wall (or ceiling) display with a remote gyromouse or better yet voice control. We will see it one day <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> But we won't be able to afford it. Hey, but that's cool, isn't it? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Time will tell if Apple makes a 17 inch TiBook or not, but I think it is a good idea. To get more market share Apple should make a wider variety of PowerBooks.
At the high end the uber-book with a huge screen, dual cpus, superdrive and who knows what else will appeal to some professionals. Think of it as a transportable workstation more than a laptop.
In the middle the current TiBooks are OK.
Smaller in size Apple should make an executive PowerBook roughly the size of the iBook with a 12 or 13 inch screen, 1GHz G3, but make it much lighter (about three pounds) and give it at least 6 hours of batter life. Make the outside look like a jewel. How about Cordoban Leather embossed with an Apple Logo, or deep metallic colors; midnight blue, fire engine red, emerald green, aqua?
[quote]Time will tell if Apple makes a 17 inch TiBook or not, but I think it is a good idea. To get more market share Apple should make a wider variety of PowerBooks.<hr></blockquote>
You do realize that JYD was kidding when he said that, right?
I am amazed that there is no speculation of a 10.4 mini Ti-Book. Sony seems to have this are of the market to itself, and we know that SJ is always quoting and watching Sony. I would have thought that this is a possible option.
About wide-screen? 16:9 is not exactly widescreen either. It is what's been agreed to as the new standard Hi-def aspect ratio for HDTV, but it isn't quite up to film based widths. I can't ever be really, because film uses a few widths from 1.85:1 to 2.35:1 (HDTV's 16:9 is only 1.78:1). So, you'll probably never have film content without black bars (unless it's pan and scan) on your TV or monitor. Also, because a computer is typically enployed to manipulate video, a little extra height in the display is actually a good thing.
Replying to myself! Great. But Sharp really did. Awesome quality, clarity, and price! What about a roll-out, roll up wall (or ceiling) display with a remote gyromouse or better yet voice control. We will see it one day <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> But we won't be able to afford it. Hey, but that's cool, isn't it? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but see, the Sharp 30 LCD resolution is only 1280 x 768 pixels, which is the same as Apple's (now defunct) 15" LCD. The 30" Sharp is a TV. Not a comp monitor. Sure, Apple could make a 30" too, but the pixels would be the size of a finger nail, and the same resolution as a 15". Why the heck would they do that?
Saying "sharp did it" sounds like those who asked similar questions years ago: "why do can I get a 36" TV (CRT), but my computer monitor is only 15 (CRT)?"
<strong>According to MacUser (UK) magazine, the PowerBooks released in November will have 867MHz and 933MHz processors (due to heat and battery life issues), retain a 133MHz system bus, have no SuperDrive (as slot loading SuperDrives aren't available in the correct form factor for the PowerBook), but include built in Bluetooth connectivity.
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Sounds about right but we know the slot-loading drive exists just not whether or not it will be available in time. Given the 3-5 day ship time I would say these revisions will lack it but maybe it will be available as a BTO option with delayed availability. I will not buy one until it hits 1GHz and includes a Superdrive. More waiting. I hate waiting.
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No, it sounded like you were simply adding 1.5 inches of screen diagnoly from the point where the current screen ends. Did you take into account the .3 inch of bezel in the upper right hand corner? The bezel itself would likely have to be bigger to prevent flex and house a larger backlight. It would be huge, even bigger than that Alienware laptop. Not nearly as thick though. Sure it would be cool but you need to sell them if you want to stay in business. There is not much market for a $5000+ laptop that can't be used on a lap. It would end up being a transportable desktop computer. Not a bad replacement for the 20th Anniversay Mac but not as a true laptop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are not understanding me, the screen would have to be one inch taller and 1.5 inches wider to make a 15.2 inch screen a 17 inch screen. The current powerbook is 13.4 inches wide and 9.5 inches tall including the bezel. Adding the extra screen area and not adding anything to the bezel would make the case 14.9 inches wide and 10.5 inches tall which is bigger but not a mammoth. Also please recognize that Apple has never marketed the ti as a laptop ever, but as a notebook, from the begining the heat issue has precluded it from being a laptop. Also if it kept the same components it would be around 4,000 not 5,000, the new screen would only add a few hundred MAX.
I do agree that it would be approaching the boundary of being portable due to its width, but man it would be so cool.
Aside from this, we disagree and are now just babbling back and forth. Lets agree to disagree.
You can always plug external bigger screen, if you need bigger screen size. If have found that 13.3" TFT screen size is quite optimal.
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You are right. The 17incher will have to drop in price, my bet is 17 inch 699-799, 19inch 1199-1299. $700 is a lot for the base monitor, but $400 bucks off makes it a steal.
On a slightly different note. I personally think Apple should change the current 17 inch display to the 17 inch display on the 17inch iMac and go to an all widescreen format.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Howcome Apples screens arent WideScreen ? I mean, they are wider than displays that are 4:3, but they are still somewhere in between 4:3 and 16:9 which is WideScreen! My PowerBook G4 With WideScreen is accually 13.5:9. A proper WideScreen resolution would be 1365:768, not 1152x768...
It just bugs me that my WideScreen monitor still have black stripes on the top and bottom when playing WideScreen DVDs.. I mean, isnt that what Apple is marketing their screens for ? Proper WideScreen format for video proffesionals ?
Im just curious... Of course, if it was proper WideScreen, they would have to increase the resolution to 1820x1024, due to the very much increased wide aspect of the screen...
.:BoeManE:.
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Why do people want a laptop the size of a briefcase? I don't get it. Do you understand how ridiculously big it would be with a 17inch screen?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I believe I can speak to this. First of all, do your research before you question the wisdom of Apple marketing. 17" will be the low end model. The upcoming Cinema Display PowerBook G4 to be unveiled on November 5th will sport a stunning 23" TFT display.
I sat in on a meeting the other day with Rubinstein and a few other higher ups in the hardware division. The studio display laptop was the primary agenda. Amazingly, the large display is actually not as exciting as some of the other features.
Due to the immense width of this new portable, expect a series of new Apple ads touting the CDPBG4 as the first and only laptop with support for dual laps. Accordingly, each Cinema Display PowerBook will provide two fullsize keyboards and trackpads (!) to support multi-lap configurations out of the box.
Another groundbreaking aspect of the new book (Cinema Display model only) are two pairs of smartly designed new elbow rests. These are situated at the frontmost edge of the enclosure. A gentle slope accomodates the girth of the forearm as you trace your way towards the back of the unit and leads into the palm rests to either side of each keyboard. Usage of the elbow rests will go a long way towards preventing stress related trauma to the wrists and RSI by encouraging better posture.
Another note - the refined titanium alloy used in the CDPBG4's enclosure has enabled Apple engineers to further reduce unwanted airport range (which can be an extremely annoying source of interference to many cordless phones). I'm told they've been able to get the range down to around 4 or 5 feet max in the new book. Not bad... Finally, wireless networking and crystal clear 2 Ghz cordless phones under the same roof.
Go ahead and be cynical if you want - but you cannot deny that November 5 will be a day to remember.
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You are not understanding me, the screen would have to be one inch taller and 1.5 inches wider to make a 15.2 inch screen a 17 inch screen. The current powerbook is 13.4 inches wide and 9.5 inches tall including the bezel. Adding the extra screen area and not adding anything to the bezel would make the case 14.9 inches wide and 10.5 inches tall which is bigger but not a mammoth. Also please recognize that Apple has never marketed the ti as a laptop ever, but as a notebook, from the begining the heat issue has precluded it from being a laptop. Also if it kept the same components it would be around 4,000 not 5,000, the new screen would only add a few hundred MAX.
I do agree that it would be approaching the boundary of being portable due to its width, but man it would be so cool.
Aside from this, we disagree and are now just babbling back and forth. Lets agree to disagree.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I am using my PowerBook G4 on my lap right now and I don't have a problem. What's that burning smell? Actually, I usually use it at my desk so I wouldn't mind your PowerBook. It just wouldn't really be ideal as a laptop. I forgot that the backlighting is the number #1 drain on battery power so the larger the screen the worse it gets. I always imagined they would be using white electroluminecent sheets as backlighting by now. They used more primitive green ones on the Newtons. I do think the screen size will increase at some point but not by much. I can see a 15.5 or 16 widescreen. I'm sure at some point they will have no bezels at all but this is probably a long ways off. Babble babble babble.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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I believe I can speak to this. First of all, do your research before you question the wisdom of Apple marketing. 17" will be the low end model. The upcoming Cinema Display PowerBook G4 to be unveiled on November 5th will sport a stunning 23" TFT display.
I sat in on a meeting the other day with Rubinstein and a few other higher ups in the hardware division. The studio display laptop was the primary agenda. Amazingly, the large display is actually not as exciting as some of the other features.
Due to the immense width of this new portable, expect a series of new Apple ads touting the CDPBG4 as the first and only laptop with support for dual laps. Accordingly, each Cinema Display PowerBook will provide two fullsize keyboards and trackpads (!) to support multi-lap configurations out of the box.
Another groundbreaking aspect of the new book (Cinema Display model only) are two pairs of smartly designed new elbow rests. These are situated at the frontmost edge of the enclosure. A gentle slope accomodates the girth of the forearm as you trace your way towards the back of the unit and leads into the palm rests to either side of each keyboard. Usage of the elbow rests will go a long way towards preventing stress related trauma to the wrists and RSI by encouraging better posture.
Another note - the refined titanium alloy used in the CDPBG4's enclosure has enabled Apple engineers to further reduce unwanted airport range (which can be an extremely annoying source of interference to many cordless phones). I'm told they've been able to get the range down to around 4 or 5 feet max in the new book. Not bad... Finally, wireless networking and crystal clear 2 Ghz cordless phones under the same roof.
Go ahead and be cynical if you want - but you cannot deny that November 5 will be a day to remember.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two fullsize keyboards? If you are correct, Apple might have to drop the word "portable" when describing this laptop.
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Two fullsize keyboards? If you are correct, Apple might have to drop the word "portable" when describing this laptop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but think of the gaming options! It would be just like a console!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Although it seems odd that Bluetooth (and only Bluetooth in terms of new hardware) will be included, which presumably requires a change to the motherboard anyway, MacUser sources have tended to be correct in the past.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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<a href="http://www.sharp.co.uk/aquos_tv/range/range.asp"; target="_blank">Sharp did it</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>According to MacUser (UK) magazine, the PowerBooks released in November will have 867MHz and 933MHz processors (due to heat and battery life issues), retain a 133MHz system bus, have no SuperDrive (as slot loading SuperDrives aren't available in the correct form factor for the PowerBook), but include built in Bluetooth connectivity.
Although it seems odd that Bluetooth (and only Bluetooth in terms of new hardware) will be included, which presumably requires a change to the motherboard anyway, MacUser sources have tended to be correct in the past.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[ 10-30-2002: Message edited by: RodUK ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I hope they are wrong b/c that would suck. Especially if there was no video card upgrade.
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Replying to myself! Great. But Sharp really did. Awesome quality, clarity, and price! What about a roll-out, roll up wall (or ceiling) display with a remote gyromouse or better yet voice control. We will see it one day <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> But we won't be able to afford it.
At the high end the uber-book with a huge screen, dual cpus, superdrive and who knows what else will appeal to some professionals. Think of it as a transportable workstation more than a laptop.
In the middle the current TiBooks are OK.
Smaller in size Apple should make an executive PowerBook roughly the size of the iBook with a 12 or 13 inch screen, 1GHz G3, but make it much lighter (about three pounds) and give it at least 6 hours of batter life. Make the outside look like a jewel. How about Cordoban Leather embossed with an Apple Logo, or deep metallic colors; midnight blue, fire engine red, emerald green, aqua?
You do realize that JYD was kidding when he said that, right?
<strong> Sharp did it
Replying to myself! Great. But Sharp really did. Awesome quality, clarity, and price! What about a roll-out, roll up wall (or ceiling) display with a remote gyromouse or better yet voice control. We will see it one day <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> But we won't be able to afford it.
Yes, but see, the Sharp 30 LCD resolution is only 1280 x 768 pixels, which is the same as Apple's (now defunct) 15" LCD. The 30" Sharp is a TV. Not a comp monitor. Sure, Apple could make a 30" too, but the pixels would be the size of a finger nail, and the same resolution as a 15". Why the heck would they do that?
Saying "sharp did it" sounds like those who asked similar questions years ago: "why do can I get a 36" TV (CRT), but my computer monitor is only 15 (CRT)?"
Its all about resolution.
<strong>According to MacUser (UK) magazine, the PowerBooks released in November will have 867MHz and 933MHz processors (due to heat and battery life issues), retain a 133MHz system bus, have no SuperDrive (as slot loading SuperDrives aren't available in the correct form factor for the PowerBook), but include built in Bluetooth connectivity.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds about right but we know the slot-loading drive exists just not whether or not it will be available in time. Given the 3-5 day ship time I would say these revisions will lack it but maybe it will be available as a BTO option with delayed availability. I will not buy one until it hits 1GHz and includes a Superdrive. More waiting. I hate waiting.