I guess no one in here has never been in a situation where you don't have time to think...
I have often
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8 shots is not that many..
yes it is
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[some common story...]
While that situation was unique for you, police go through a lot of training and most urban police encounter intense situations like this multiple times in a night. Their training is supposed to make them calm and clear-headed in situations that would normally be stressful. There is no excuse for this.
Folks ...this is still par for the course. I don't even get suprised anymore. The best thing to do is freeze..move slowly and kiss the cops ass everystep of the way. Required viewing is Chris Rocks 10 ways to avoid getting your ass beat.
8 shots is excessive. But that's life. It can be gone in the blink of an eye. The US came to power via agression and maintains control via agression. It's a burden we all share. There's a reason why people are running away from rif raf to the "burbs".
I guess no one in here has never been in a situation where you don't have time to thi
missed this one.
Again, if you watch the video, the officers shot twice,, stopped and then fired the rest of their shots. These are not automativc weapons. They only stopped firing when he hit the ground, already hit 8 times. One would think that after being hit the first two time he would have dropped but given that he was drunk and had an adrenaline rush, it can take someone a couple of shots before they fall. Furthermore since he was being shot as he was running from the police officers, he had momentum so long as his legs had strength.
At the time they stopped the vehicle he was in violation of two laws, that could be verified:
1) runing a red light (punishment: a fine)
2) resisting arrest ( punishment : jail time and a fine)
3) Again, the closest officer who actually put his gun to the head of the suspect, had numerous opportunities to shoot him while he was arguably a threat. Once he walked away, he was no longer a threat and it was not neccessary to shoot him.
And i dispute that he was drunk ( unles the medical examiner has determined it to be so). He was not weaving in the road at all, He was cutting through traffic, blew a red light and made a fast left turn. None of that is indicative of drunk driving.
I guess I don't understand why the police are shooting to kill, instead of shooting to unarm, like in the leg or something. Let alone use 8 bullets. geesh!
I guess I don't understand why the police are shooting to kill, instead of shooting to unarm, like in the leg or something. Let alone use 8 bullets. geesh!
Oh that's easy. Cops don't like to be killed. Their wifes don't like it either.
I was 14 and was playing with firecrackers in downtown Burlingame . . . I turned around the corner and a cop who had his gun out was against the wall and peaking around the corner . .
does that count?
anyway, my two cents: suicide by cop?
but they were pretty aggressive none-the-less . . . why not train cops to disarm with gunshots unstead of shooting to kill . . . and in the back?
Why not shoot his legs . . eight shots would probably hit at least one leg . .
anyway, I'm sure one gets pretty wound up when you think some drunken freak with what look like a gun
We have racist cops galore in the US (and everywhere else in the world you holier-than-thou shitheads who love to act like the US is unique in this regard).
I don't think it's obvious he was in a "shooter's stance" with his shiny object. I don't think the cops needed to shoot him in the back 8 times.
A black man killed by cops will ALWAYS raise a red flag with me. There's just too much very very recent history for it not to.
Well, if I was a cop and had a non-cooperative person in front of me holding a gun with both hands, walking slowly away from me, I might pump 8 into him too. How could a guy in that situation have anything but bad intentions?
Put a couple slugs in his legs, and he'll turn around and blast you. Although I guess to not make anyone angry, he should have waited, taken 2 in the chest, THEN fired back.
Yes I know he didn't have a gun, but the decisions were made with the assumption he did... looked in one shot there like he was trying to make it look like he had a gun...
Some thing like this happened in Chicago not to long ago. Jesse Jackson tried to call it racism. Black women with phone getting out of car after long police chase. Cop mistook it for a gun and killed her. The kicker? It was a black female cop.
Well, if I was a cop and had a non-cooperative person in front of me holding a gun with both hands, walking slowly away from me, I might pump 8 into him too. How could a guy in that situation have anything but bad intentions?
Put a couple slugs in his legs, and he'll turn around and blast you. Although I guess to not make anyone angry, he should have waited, taken 2 in the chest, THEN fired back.
Yes I know he didn't have a gun, but the decisions were made with the assumption he did... looked in one shot there like he was trying to make it look like he had a gun...
See here's the problem: The Constitution says that in these here U-nited States one is presumed innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. It doesn't say that you're guilty if we catch you in the act. Irt doesn't say you're guilty if we have reason to believe at the time of arrest. It says you are INNOCENT until you are determined GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW. That means every police officer has a duty to treat the suspect as if he or she has committed no crime at all. This does not mean to act as if there is no danger, NO. It means that you cannot summarilly execute a suspect because of what you THINK he or she may or may not do. You may not execute a person because you THINK they have a gun. ANYONE in here who Shoots anybody 8 times in the back would be convicted of manslaughter regeardless of circumstances because you cannot kill someone who does not pose an immediate threat to your life. That's the law.
If YOU as an officer think a suspect is armed and dangerous then you call for backup or wait until a more safe time to apprehend the suspect. If you are a state trooper doing a stop and you think someone is dangerous you keep your ass in the car and wait for backup.
All this If I was a cop BULLSHIT, is just that BULLSHIT. Police are trained professionals, If they cant follow the rules and obey the law they should get the **** off the force and find another line of work.
What really disturbs me is this quote from the article
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"On 9-11 we were called heroes. And on other days we're the lowest of the low," said Chief Mike Halphen, Bossier, Louisiana Police Chie
It almost makes me cry. It seems as if he is saying "remeber how much you loved us, right? so excuse this really big mistake that may be considered racist and cost a guy his life."
He's blaming other people for considering what they did wrong. It just really bugs me. . . does anyone else feel as if they want to beat some sense into this guy?
See here's the problem: The Constitution says that in these here U-nited States one is presumed innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. It doesn't say that you're guilty if we catch you in the act. Irt doesn't say you're guilty if we have reason to believe at the time of arrest. It says you are INNOCENT until you are determined GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW. That means every police officer has a duty to treat the suspect as if he or she has committed no crime at all. This does not mean to act as if there is no danger, NO. It means that you cannot summarilly execute a suspect because of what you THINK he or she may or may not do. You may not execute a person because you THINK they have a gun. ANYONE in here who Shoots anybody 8 times in the back would be convicted of manslaughter regeardless of circumstances because you cannot kill someone who does not pose an immediate threat to your life. That's the law.
If YOU as an officer think a suspect is armed and dangerous then you call for backup or wait until a more safe time to apprehend the suspect. If you are a state trooper doing a stop and you think someone is dangerous you keep your ass in the car and wait for backup.
All this If I was a cop BULLSHIT, is just that BULLSHIT. Police are trained professionals, If they cant follow the rules and obey the law they should get the **** off the force and find another line of work.
What really disturbs me is this quote from the article
It almost makes me cry. It seems as if he is saying "remeber how much you loved us, right? so excuse this really big mistake that may be considered racist and cost a guy his life."
He's blaming other people for considering what they did wrong. It just really bugs me. . . does anyone else feel as if they want to beat some sense into this guy?
Actually this one bothers me a lot more. Did you miss it?
"No justice, no peace. We will burn your town down," shouted a protester.
I didn't even take the time to read the story because a)I'm in a rush and b) it's a bad, bad thing either way. My only question is, does anyone believe it possible that at some point in the last 20 years, black cops have shot white guys in the back? Is it news? If they only unloaded 5 shots instead of 8 is it less offensive to our sensibilities?
Seriously, it's bad that it happened at all. But unless someone can prove something (I don't think it would be that hard to find out if these guys were white supremicist or otherwise vocal about any racist-like beliefs in the locker room), I don't see how the race of the involved parties is relevant. What if black cops had shot him 8 times under the exact same circumstance? Are they "oreo cookies" then?
??? How the hell did the US "come to power via aggression"? That's total bullshit. The US had never attacked a sovereign nation until WWI and the US was already very much in power by then. The US came to power via technology, innovation, and a form of government respected worldwide. Only now have we lost all of those and become aggressors. I say we go back to innovation and peaceful diplomacy, don't you?
spanish-American war and every treaty broken with the natives
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Originally posted by Anders
[B Hell. I don´t even know if any of the police officers were blacks. [/B]
As seen on the video, non of the officers directly involved with the shooting were black.
Originally posted by kraig911
I guess no one in here has never been in a situation where you don't have time to think...
I have often
8 shots is not that many..
yes it is
[some common story...]
While that situation was unique for you, police go through a lot of training and most urban police encounter intense situations like this multiple times in a night. Their training is supposed to make them calm and clear-headed in situations that would normally be stressful. There is no excuse for this.
8 shots is excessive. But that's life. It can be gone in the blink of an eye. The US came to power via agression and maintains control via agression. It's a burden we all share. There's a reason why people are running away from rif raf to the "burbs".
Originally posted by kraig911
I guess no one in here has never been in a situation where you don't have time to thi
missed this one.
Again, if you watch the video, the officers shot twice,, stopped and then fired the rest of their shots. These are not automativc weapons. They only stopped firing when he hit the ground, already hit 8 times. One would think that after being hit the first two time he would have dropped but given that he was drunk and had an adrenaline rush, it can take someone a couple of shots before they fall. Furthermore since he was being shot as he was running from the police officers, he had momentum so long as his legs had strength.
At the time they stopped the vehicle he was in violation of two laws, that could be verified:
1) runing a red light (punishment: a fine)
2) resisting arrest ( punishment : jail time and a fine)
3) Again, the closest officer who actually put his gun to the head of the suspect, had numerous opportunities to shoot him while he was arguably a threat. Once he walked away, he was no longer a threat and it was not neccessary to shoot him.
And i dispute that he was drunk ( unles the medical examiner has determined it to be so). He was not weaving in the road at all, He was cutting through traffic, blew a red light and made a fast left turn. None of that is indicative of drunk driving.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&sc...se+Hudspeth%22
Originally posted by Mac Man 020581
I guess I don't understand why the police are shooting to kill, instead of shooting to unarm, like in the leg or something. Let alone use 8 bullets. geesh!
Oh that's easy. Cops don't like to be killed. Their wifes don't like it either.
Originally posted by ena
How many have had weapons pulled on them?
I was 14 and was playing with firecrackers in downtown Burlingame . . . I turned around the corner and a cop who had his gun out was against the wall and peaking around the corner . .
does that count?
anyway, my two cents: suicide by cop?
but they were pretty aggressive none-the-less . . . why not train cops to disarm with gunshots unstead of shooting to kill . . . and in the back?
Why not shoot his legs . . eight shots would probably hit at least one leg . .
anyway, I'm sure one gets pretty wound up when you think some drunken freak with what look like a gun
Originally posted by groverat
We have racist cops galore in the US (and everywhere else in the world you holier-than-thou shitheads who love to act like the US is unique in this regard).
I don't think it's obvious he was in a "shooter's stance" with his shiny object. I don't think the cops needed to shoot him in the back 8 times.
A black man killed by cops will ALWAYS raise a red flag with me. There's just too much very very recent history for it not to.
Is that you, groverat?
Originally posted by ena
How many have had weapons pulled on them?
I have, by police on numerous occasions. I have been threatened with guns by others, but nothing came of it, to make some long stories short.
Put a couple slugs in his legs, and he'll turn around and blast you. Although I guess to not make anyone angry, he should have waited, taken 2 in the chest, THEN fired back.
Yes I know he didn't have a gun, but the decisions were made with the assumption he did... looked in one shot there like he was trying to make it look like he had a gun...
I have, by police on numerous occasions. I have been threatened with guns by others, but nothing came of it, to make some long stories short
although i must admit i'm interested to hear what exactly the librarian was doing to get guns pulled on him multiple times. REALLLLLY overdue books?
Originally posted by murbot
Well, if I was a cop and had a non-cooperative person in front of me holding a gun with both hands, walking slowly away from me, I might pump 8 into him too. How could a guy in that situation have anything but bad intentions?
Put a couple slugs in his legs, and he'll turn around and blast you. Although I guess to not make anyone angry, he should have waited, taken 2 in the chest, THEN fired back.
Yes I know he didn't have a gun, but the decisions were made with the assumption he did... looked in one shot there like he was trying to make it look like he had a gun...
See here's the problem: The Constitution says that in these here U-nited States one is presumed innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. It doesn't say that you're guilty if we catch you in the act. Irt doesn't say you're guilty if we have reason to believe at the time of arrest. It says you are INNOCENT until you are determined GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW. That means every police officer has a duty to treat the suspect as if he or she has committed no crime at all. This does not mean to act as if there is no danger, NO. It means that you cannot summarilly execute a suspect because of what you THINK he or she may or may not do. You may not execute a person because you THINK they have a gun. ANYONE in here who Shoots anybody 8 times in the back would be convicted of manslaughter regeardless of circumstances because you cannot kill someone who does not pose an immediate threat to your life. That's the law.
If YOU as an officer think a suspect is armed and dangerous then you call for backup or wait until a more safe time to apprehend the suspect. If you are a state trooper doing a stop and you think someone is dangerous you keep your ass in the car and wait for backup.
All this If I was a cop BULLSHIT, is just that BULLSHIT. Police are trained professionals, If they cant follow the rules and obey the law they should get the **** off the force and find another line of work.
Originally posted by Scott
It was a black female cop.
Cops killing cops? I imagine plenty of people were happy.
[Note: this does not make ME happy at all.]
"On 9-11 we were called heroes. And on other days we're the lowest of the low," said Chief Mike Halphen, Bossier, Louisiana Police Chie
It almost makes me cry. It seems as if he is saying "remeber how much you loved us, right? so excuse this really big mistake that may be considered racist and cost a guy his life."
He's blaming other people for considering what they did wrong. It just really bugs me. . . does anyone else feel as if they want to beat some sense into this guy?
Originally posted by Sondjata
See here's the problem: The Constitution says that in these here U-nited States one is presumed innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. It doesn't say that you're guilty if we catch you in the act. Irt doesn't say you're guilty if we have reason to believe at the time of arrest. It says you are INNOCENT until you are determined GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW. That means every police officer has a duty to treat the suspect as if he or she has committed no crime at all. This does not mean to act as if there is no danger, NO. It means that you cannot summarilly execute a suspect because of what you THINK he or she may or may not do. You may not execute a person because you THINK they have a gun. ANYONE in here who Shoots anybody 8 times in the back would be convicted of manslaughter regeardless of circumstances because you cannot kill someone who does not pose an immediate threat to your life. That's the law.
If YOU as an officer think a suspect is armed and dangerous then you call for backup or wait until a more safe time to apprehend the suspect. If you are a state trooper doing a stop and you think someone is dangerous you keep your ass in the car and wait for backup.
All this If I was a cop BULLSHIT, is just that BULLSHIT. Police are trained professionals, If they cant follow the rules and obey the law they should get the **** off the force and find another line of work.
But they did.
Originally posted by xionja
What really disturbs me is this quote from the article
It almost makes me cry. It seems as if he is saying "remeber how much you loved us, right? so excuse this really big mistake that may be considered racist and cost a guy his life."
He's blaming other people for considering what they did wrong. It just really bugs me. . . does anyone else feel as if they want to beat some sense into this guy?
Actually this one bothers me a lot more. Did you miss it?
"No justice, no peace. We will burn your town down," shouted a protester.
Such blatantly racist things don't bother you?
Seriously, it's bad that it happened at all. But unless someone can prove something (I don't think it would be that hard to find out if these guys were white supremicist or otherwise vocal about any racist-like beliefs in the locker room), I don't see how the race of the involved parties is relevant. What if black cops had shot him 8 times under the exact same circumstance? Are they "oreo cookies" then?
Originally posted by tonton
??? How the hell did the US "come to power via aggression"? That's total bullshit. The US had never attacked a sovereign nation until WWI and the US was already very much in power by then. The US came to power via technology, innovation, and a form of government respected worldwide. Only now have we lost all of those and become aggressors. I say we go back to innovation and peaceful diplomacy, don't you?
spanish-American war and every treaty broken with the natives