Despite its simplistic nature and beautiful/functional interface, I don't think this is legit: no Mac OS has placed its codename/build number in the upper right corner of the menu bar before. And is Apple completely doing away with the dock? I don't know, I guess we'll all have to wait 'til WWDC '07.
You're kidding, right? How does saying 'these shots don't look real because of x, y, and z' = critiquing a work in progress?
I really don't like you much. Hypertension? Right. If you think I really care that much about this stuff, you've got your head up your ass in a serious way. Projection is a terrible thing, Spart.
You were complaining about the alignments and such. Ever occur to you that Apple is doing serious interface overhaul (looks like they are doing work on NSToolbar/CFToolbar) and they might have some centering issues? Also, did it ever occur to you that this stuff is alpha code and months away from being ready for the general public to use?
I don't think you care that much. And I mean no disrespect, it's just that sometimes you need to relax man. Go have some fun. Stop racking your brain about why some damned pictures on the internet are wrong.
I wouldn't assume anything from the level of fit and finish of icons in those screenshots. That means, don't think it says anything about the mouse, the fake-ness of the screenshots, etc.
If I take the shots at face value (thanks for mirroing them ), the Finder's left pane is a set of places, sort of like Safari bookmarks. I assume that, like the old shelf concept in NeXTstep, you can drag anything in there, though I do not know how the separation is handled -- whether it decides what goes up top (drives) or whether it's user-defined. If it is a shelf-like space that includes drag-and-drop functions with it (both to and from), that is great news for everyone. I'm more curious about what goes in the toolbar aside from the three obvious choices shown there. I'm thinking that more search and find functions go up there. To me, the Finder icon in the Dock looks weird, wrong. I'm actually hoping they change the icon altogether to something more appropriate for, you know, a Finder.
I do like the new highlight of flienames. The new fields/separators like in the Expose preferences shot are interesting. Looks to me like the iTunes Music Store is a sneak-preview of sorts. Might want to look into it some more for ideas -- the arrows, the little page markers, etc.
Expose is crious, especially considering how they tried to do just the opposite with Single Window View. Think there's anything going on in that department?
I don't believe the left pane is a "shelf", so to say - it's just like the first column in a regular finders window in Columns view, with a few changes.
Mounted disks are on top, while frequent locations previously found on the Finder's toolbar, such as Apps and Docs, are now shown below the mounted disks. While at first it seemed odd to me, I now realize that this is a very logical reorganization.
Also note how each column seems to support its own view - the first column is in "columns" view, while the second is in icons view. If every column supports an individual setting like that, I think we are making progress in the right direction.
We have smart folders in Panther. The little gear icon a la smart playlists in iTunes shows integrated AppleScript folder actions. Folder actions are smart folders (actions). Seems a bit clunky to show/label it this way even if it's accurate, but seems like just the thing to do. What's odd is the other parts of that sub-menu.
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but has anyone notice that "Back" and "View" under the toolbar icons in the Finder window aren't really centered under the toolbar icons? They're shifted a little to the right.
And why does it say "Back" under the back/forward icons anyways? I mean, if you click the forward icon... then "Back" is a bit misleading...
And I mean no disrespect, it's just that sometimes you need to relax man. Go have some fun. Stop racking your brain about why some damned pictures on the internet are wrong
Hey, Spart. Sounds like this would apply to you too!
Despite your browbeating and obvious religious fervour I cant personally take these screenies as being real without some way of veryfying authenticity and source. It may not be commonplace nowadays for people to ask for some proof (war in Iraq, cough, weapons of mass destruction, cough), but I cant take them seriously without. I think they are a hoax. That finder is a dead giveaway. Its even worse than a Windows XP window with all the options turned on. What a waste of space in the title bar. Very un-elegant and un-apple like. And as for those fake 970 tower images that are going round. One word. Anthropomorphic?
Expose is crious, especially considering how they tried to do just the opposite with Single Window View. Think there's anything going on in that department?
Exposé seems to me like an alternate solution to a related problem -- window management. I'll withhold judgement until using it, but it looks like what I've pining for a long, long time. Can't wait to try it out.
Single Window View is a neat idea, but I just don't think it works in practice. It sure didn't work completely successfully in the Public Beta, as I recall... Problem is that are just times when you need more than one window open at a time, and at those points SWV becomes an incredible nuisance and involves lots of toggling on and off. Doesn't work -- it's one of those interface features that you have micromanage. Seems to me that instead Apple chose (rightly) to create applications like the iApps (and even prof. apps, like Keynote) that are much more single-window centered, and show by demonstration how it can be done.
I think they are a hoax. That finder is a dead giveaway. Its even worse than a Windows XP window with all the options turned on. What a waste of space in the title bar. Very un-elegant and un-apple like.
The Finder doesn't look fake at all. There is not a waste of space in the "title bar" (sic). The empty space to the right of the gear button is empty because the user had not stored any aliases there yet. The reason the "default" folders are in a pane in the left is A. because it's a better use of space for the drives/volumes pane, which seldom has more than a handful of items in it, and B. to allow for more room for the user'sshortcut icons.
Why have those default items hog the space, which makes the user's stuff go off-window and get relegated to a popup list? That blank space will be for user shortcuts, I'm sure.
If not, no big loss, really only good for a few things anyway (App/Docs/Mov/Music/Pics are still there, just moved). I only have room to add Sites and Downloads to my toolbar, aside from App/Docs/Mov/Music/Pics...the rest get pushed off screen. At that point, it's no better than just dumping them in the Dock.
The gear menu is VERY authentic, very "Apple". So are the rounded file name fields. Heck, even the "Security" home/safe icon drips Official Apple.
That you aren't seeing your dream features doesn't mean that they are fake.
How is Finder "worse"? In ICON view you have a top level, constantly accessible list of major places. Any other view I wager will retain that left pane. That means no more painfully backing up or out or behind to get to the higher level, Click, bam, there. Click, there.
Labels look extremely "Apple".
Exposé look prefectly authentic too. This will really need to be seen to appreciate though, what with the fades and animations and scaling.
Probably late in the piece, but people should remember how long it took for Apple to standardise things in the old MacOS: futzing in the early systems, the leap from 6 - 7, from b/w to colour to platinum (which I never liked - way too Win95). And also remember that the way things used to work was stripes in a foreground window, flat grey in a background one.
Yeah, the Platinum fetishists tend to forget that "The Mac Way" for a long time was white, striped windows, with no draggable borders. The Win95 came along. Then platinum. Now we're back to white, striped windows, with no draggable borders and suddenly we are "too Windows like"...
uh, ok....
(Even the NeXT stuff Mac OS X retains/builds on, that is called "too Windows-like" all predates any relevent version of Windows. Think 1990.
Sorry, by highlights, I meant labels. I was tired. I agree if those are real, and they very well could be, they are from early builds and are not very refined at all. They remind me of the early DPs of 10.0 in that regard, futzing with icons, things offset, etc. I do wonder if that's what tabs will be now, and why they did it that way (assuming all tabs now look like that). It's hard to call them tabs.
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Despite its simplistic nature and beautiful/functional interface, I don't think this is legit: no Mac OS has placed its codename/build number in the upper right corner of the menu bar before. And is Apple completely doing away with the dock? I don't know, I guess we'll all have to wait 'til WWDC '07.
Originally posted by Jonathan
You're kidding, right? How does saying 'these shots don't look real because of x, y, and z' = critiquing a work in progress?
I really don't like you much. Hypertension? Right. If you think I really care that much about this stuff, you've got your head up your ass in a serious way. Projection is a terrible thing, Spart.
You were complaining about the alignments and such. Ever occur to you that Apple is doing serious interface overhaul (looks like they are doing work on NSToolbar/CFToolbar) and they might have some centering issues? Also, did it ever occur to you that this stuff is alpha code and months away from being ready for the general public to use?
I don't think you care that much. And I mean no disrespect, it's just that sometimes you need to relax man. Go have some fun. Stop racking your brain about why some damned pictures on the internet are wrong.
If I take the shots at face value (thanks for mirroing them
I do like the new highlight of flienames.
Expose is crious, especially considering how they tried to do just the opposite with Single Window View. Think there's anything going on in that department?
Quite European...
Mounted disks are on top, while frequent locations previously found on the Finder's toolbar, such as Apps and Docs, are now shown below the mounted disks. While at first it seemed odd to me, I now realize that this is a very logical reorganization.
Also note how each column seems to support its own view - the first column is in "columns" view, while the second is in icons view. If every column supports an individual setting like that, I think we are making progress in the right direction.
Something that just dawned on me:
We have smart folders in Panther. The little gear icon a la smart playlists in iTunes shows integrated AppleScript folder actions. Folder actions are smart folders (actions). Seems a bit clunky to show/label it this way even if it's accurate, but seems like just the thing to do. What's odd is the other parts of that sub-menu.
At least in the process viewer they do...
-Owl
Originally posted by LudwigVan
Something else to consider can be found in the Activity Monitor screenshot: note the comma in the "% Nice 0,00" line.
Quite European...
Heh heh heh, it means this is one MEAN operating system! Eh heh heh, I kill me?
And why does it say "Back" under the back/forward icons anyways? I mean, if you click the forward icon... then "Back" is a bit misleading...
Originally posted by Spart
And I mean no disrespect, it's just that sometimes you need to relax man. Go have some fun. Stop racking your brain about why some damned pictures on the internet are wrong
Hey, Spart. Sounds like this would apply to you too!
Despite your browbeating and obvious religious fervour I cant personally take these screenies as being real without some way of veryfying authenticity and source. It may not be commonplace nowadays for people to ask for some proof (war in Iraq, cough, weapons of mass destruction, cough), but I cant take them seriously without. I think they are a hoax. That finder is a dead giveaway. Its even worse than a Windows XP window with all the options turned on. What a waste of space in the title bar. Very un-elegant and un-apple like. And as for those fake 970 tower images that are going round. One word. Anthropomorphic?
Originally posted by Kecksy
My gut tells me its real, but a much earlier version than what we'll be shown on Monday.
Well put. I feel the same way.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Expose is crious, especially considering how they tried to do just the opposite with Single Window View. Think there's anything going on in that department?
Exposé seems to me like an alternate solution to a related problem -- window management. I'll withhold judgement until using it, but it looks like what I've pining for a long, long time. Can't wait to try it out.
Single Window View is a neat idea, but I just don't think it works in practice. It sure didn't work completely successfully in the Public Beta, as I recall... Problem is that are just times when you need more than one window open at a time, and at those points SWV becomes an incredible nuisance and involves lots of toggling on and off. Doesn't work -- it's one of those interface features that you have micromanage. Seems to me that instead Apple chose (rightly) to create applications like the iApps (and even prof. apps, like Keynote) that are much more single-window centered, and show by demonstration how it can be done.
I think they are a hoax. That finder is a dead giveaway. Its even worse than a Windows XP window with all the options turned on. What a waste of space in the title bar. Very un-elegant and un-apple like.
The Finder doesn't look fake at all. There is not a waste of space in the "title bar" (sic). The empty space to the right of the gear button is empty because the user had not stored any aliases there yet. The reason the "default" folders are in a pane in the left is A. because it's a better use of space for the drives/volumes pane, which seldom has more than a handful of items in it, and B. to allow for more room for the user'sshortcut icons.
Why have those default items hog the space, which makes the user's stuff go off-window and get relegated to a popup list? That blank space will be for user shortcuts, I'm sure.
If not, no big loss, really only good for a few things anyway (App/Docs/Mov/Music/Pics are still there, just moved). I only have room to add Sites and Downloads to my toolbar, aside from App/Docs/Mov/Music/Pics...the rest get pushed off screen. At that point, it's no better than just dumping them in the Dock.
The gear menu is VERY authentic, very "Apple". So are the rounded file name fields. Heck, even the "Security" home/safe icon drips Official Apple.
That you aren't seeing your dream features doesn't mean that they are fake.
How is Finder "worse"? In ICON view you have a top level, constantly accessible list of major places. Any other view I wager will retain that left pane. That means no more painfully backing up or out or behind to get to the higher level, Click, bam, there. Click, there.
Labels look extremely "Apple".
Exposé look prefectly authentic too. This will really need to be seen to appreciate though, what with the fades and animations and scaling.
Can't WAIT.
Yeah, the Platinum fetishists tend to forget that "The Mac Way" for a long time was white, striped windows, with no draggable borders. The Win95 came along. Then platinum. Now we're back to white, striped windows, with no draggable borders and suddenly we are "too Windows like"...
uh, ok....
(Even the NeXT stuff Mac OS X retains/builds on, that is called "too Windows-like" all predates any relevent version of Windows. Think 1990.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
I do like the new highlight of flienames.
As someone else said, I think they're labels. You see a red and a blue one in different screenshots.
Originally posted by whoami
the screenshots have been removed! yowza!
You can still find them here:
http://www.3mbc.com/panther/
PS: the icon of the Keyboard and Mouse in the System Prefs... Could the icon for the mouse be a clue for what's to come? It's not the typical shape..