I think Apple will update the display line when the G5 ships.
The new displays would need only to be adjustable (a la 17" iMac) and have an INTEGRATED iSight camera. (Apple's been talking about integrating cameras on displays for years - now they have a reason...)
To me, the biggest question is whether the integrated camera would mean a Firewire port available on the monitor as well.
Those three features would put Apple displays so far ahead of the pack, I'm not sure anyone else would still be in the game.
I think somebody screwed up with the top photo and let the cat out of the bag. DOH!
That hi res picture indeed does not have stripes (and not due to any photographic or compression reasons) BUT that same image has been online since about January. I wanted to use one of those images as a desktop a while ago. I probably have it on a backup. (If the old image I have has stripes them I'd concede something's up)...
My guess is that those are displays rendered in Maya and they don't use the striped pattern because it breaks up and moirés too much, especially in print (which is what those pics are largely meant for). Artistic/practical reason to omit the stripes.
Can I be just a bit of a dumb-butt here and ask (after reading the previous 20 or so posts): WTF does it matter, regarding the pinstripes?
Were there internal/spec changes that are signified by this, or is it just cosmetic? And if it's just cosmetic, then I don't see how the presence or absence of pinstripes matters TOO much, since the displays themselves - in coloring, style, acrylic accents, glossiness, etc. - don't match the G5 in any way, shape or form to begin with.
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They look horribly mismatched and I'm convinced that Apple is going to roll out some nice new, sleek models in the next month or so. I can't believe they'd drastically change the tower so much, BUT still keep around an LCD design that is just as dated and in need of a refresh.
But beyond all that, what is the particular interest/fascination with the pinstripes?
johnq, you do not know what you are talking about. ZOOM IN. THE STRIPES ARE EASILY SEEN IF YOU ZOOM IN. END OF DISCUSSION.
There are no stripes in the family pic. Period. Whetehr or not there are stripes on actual shipping products isn't my argument. I don't even want that design, but rather a newer one altogether. I just know the difference between pixelization/compression and actual photographed stripes. (Insert derisive "Ohhh everyone's a Photoshop expert these days" type of comment here)
pscates, of course it doesn't matter. Of course they will intoduce a new line of monitors to match. What's your point? Half of us are debating a picture, not real shipping products. Even more useless...
[pscates I misnamed you in the removed bit instead of Todd, sorry. Rant removed until re-edited]
Todd, what makes you the expert?
Anyone else tired of this thread then just skip the thread and move on. (I know Todd is incapable of not commenting, have pity but we need an antagonist, keeps us sharp).
Otherwise we'll kick this one around, uselessly or not, for a long as we are interested, however mildly.
pscates, of course it doesn't matter. Of course they will intoduce a new line of monitors to match. What's your point?
My point, smart-ass (and I thought I made it kinda clear that I was genuinely curious what all the hubbub was over), was that I didn't know if the pinstripes signified some sort of internal tweak or component upgrade and if THAT was the reason everyone was so wrapped up in the "pinstripes or no pinstripes" back-and-forth. I asked, very plainly, was it solely a cosmetic issue or were newer/tweaked models quietly released and the way to tell them apart from previous models is the lack of pinstripes. THAT'S my "point".
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Geek hardware forums and your opinion matter? Of course not.
I'd like to think so. A little bit. It was a legit question. Why/how you got your wad into such a rude knot is kinda beyond me.
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You are as much of a useless speck of squeaky carbon as I am and anyone else here.
Charming. Work on that one long?
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But we others are at least on topic rather than popping in to merely deride the participants.
Re-read through the thread. I think I made several "on topic" contributions earlier on. I'm not "deriding" anyone, only asking what this fascination/debate with the pinstripes was over.
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Anyone else tired of this thread then just skip the thread and move on. (I know pscates is incapable of not commenting, have pity).
And you're right. You can keep the pity, however. I just wanted to stop by and comment...comment on your having just received the coveted "2003 Rude Prick For No Good Reason of the Year" award. Congrats. The trophy is being engraved this afternoon, I hear.
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Otherwise we'll kick this one around, uselessly or not, for a long as we are interested, however mildly.
Well then, it's obvious the thread is in good hands. By all means, carry on.
Somewhere in all of this is a moral and a small "life lesson" about not being so dead-set on showing your ass when you've only got 17 posts and are still somewhat new to a particular community. You're off to a rousing start...welcome aboard!
"2003 Rude Prick For No Good Reason of the Year" award
Had you not said "asshead" many posts ago to one of my posts I might not have been so predisposed to read prickishness into your every post. I'll try to read the lines more than between them, oh veteran.
updated displays between Sept. 2003 and Jan. 2004 according to July 3rd edition of www.macosrumors.com Also repeats Macwhispers' prediction of a 30" display.
Had you not said "asshead" many posts ago to one of my posts I might not have been so predisposed to read prickishness into your every post. I'll try to read the lines more than between them, oh veteran.
Wow, THAT one has hung around. You can let that one go now, really.
I think if you ask around and do indeed "read between the lines" a bit (if I remember correctly, I think I used smileys during that particular post), I'm not a pot-stirrer or a prick and don't make it a habit of going around kicking things up, just to be a jerk.
You really, really need to let the "asshead" thing go, okay? It was a throwaway comment not maliciously directed at anyone in a true, meaningful way, okay? Goodness, how long ago was that? Do I say it in every post? No, not hardly.
RELAX. And seriously, this "veteran" welcomes you to AppleInsider.
updated displays between Sept. 2003 and Jan. 2004 according to July 3rd edition of www.macosrumors.com Also repeats Macwhispers' prediction of a 30" display.
Hey, that would be cool. I wonder why they didn't announce them when they did the G5s? It might save a lot of people some anger and resentment? Even if they weren't shipping, people would know that - along with the G5 - new, redesigned displays are on the way and they can start planning/budgeting accordingly.
They might whip them out at that Create thing in July, since it's that type of show/venue.
Is Seybold still in August? Remember, that was the site of the original G4 unveiling in 1999, so displays (or new PowerBooks) could very well be announced there too.
So, what's the chance of Apple running the Airport antenna through the (hopefully) new aluminum displays? The G5 might pose problems considering it's thickness/material/depth. They should do whatever they do with antennas in the iBooks & newer Powerbooks (which I guess is just running up the side vertically?)
Don't lynch me if it's been mentioned already. If it has, put me in as another vote for it
It'd be kinda cool to have the Airport card under the keyboard ala the iBooks (and Powerbooks I presume), then just run "whatever" (non-techspeak) through the USB cable...
It'd be one less thing to stuff inside the space-conscious G5 interior. Hey, room for a couple more fans...?
I'm partial to the iBook keyboard though, don't mind me. (And moreso for the aluminum Powerbook keyboards)
Yeah, if they could figure out an elegant way to connect it to the tower, that IS a good idea. The reception would be much better, I'd imagine.
Oooo...ADC2! Power, USB, video AND AirPort!
You never know...
I remember reading somewhere that the current 23" & 24" LCD displays are already pushing the limit of DVI & ADC. I wonder how Apple will solve this for the 30" if in fact they'll produce it.
I was the individual that wrote a while back about speaking to the Apple PR rep about the displays being different.
I have a few updates to that comment which are worth mentioning:
I called the lady back a coupe days later and asked if she could clarify that the displays were in fact changed because she did say, "I believe there was a change" key word: "believe".
I thought it was kindof bizarre that the PR person for displays would say that she believed something and not definitively say one way or another.
So, when I called her back for clarification the waters suddenly muddied even further. At first she said that she can't comment on rumors, and so I reminded her that this information wasn't based on rumor, but rather, images that were on Apple's web site.
After pointing her to the URL she seemed a bit disheveled... almost as if it those photos shouldn't be there yet... (Of course there's a possibility that I'm reading too much into that.)
So then, she said that she would call me back later in the day to confirm one way or another for me. She said that she needed to make a few phone calls.
12:00 rolls around. no phone call.
1:00 rolls around. no phone call.
2:00 rolls around. no phone call.
3:00 rolls around. no phone call.
4:00 rolls around. no phone call.
So I call her back and asked if she got any information. She said that she has a few voice mails that she needed to tend to, some of which she believed had the information she requested from their hardware department. She said that she'd give me a tomorrow morning for the answer.
Next morning I got the phone call to which she said that the displays had NOT changed. They were the same pinstripe models that had been there all along. She did say however that a few months back, the Apple logo did change from blue to silver.
I said, "But what about the photos. I'm looking at hi res photos which obviously have no pinstripes on them."
She replied, "Those photos have been heavily photo retouched so it is likely that the pinstripes were inadvertently removed when adjusting for lighting in the computer.
Being a graphic artist for over 9 years, I can accept this answer with confirmation. This is indeed possible, yet you ARE likely to see SOME remnants of pinstripes unless they were purposefully trying to give the illusion that the pinstripes were gone. I saw no such remnants in the edited photos.
Not wanting to debate with her about whether or not the photos had in fact been retouched. I thanked her for her time and hung up the phone.
Then, I want back to Apple's hi res image gallery and downloaded each of the hi res photos that they had available for the displays. When I opened them in photoshop, what I found was very surprising.
Some of the photos had pinstripes, while others (of the exact same model) clearly had none. When looking at another one of the photos that appeared to have none, I ended up finding the slightest traces of pinstripes within certain areas of the display when you look VERY closely.
So, I guess she was right. Many of the photos WERE heavily retouched. They were in fact the SAME displays.
While Apple may in fact be releasing new displays in the near future the ones shown on Apple's web site and in the hi res image gallery are the same ones we've known of for quite some time. The fact that the PR rep fidgeted when I told her that they were on Apple's web site gives me SOME indication that the displays will be updated soon, but as we all know that doesn't really mean much.
All of this makes me personally feel somewhat reassured. I just bought a 23" cinema display. I didn't want it to be out of date a few days after buying it.
All of this makes me personally feel somewhat reassured. I just bought a 23" cinema display. I didn't want it to be out of date a few days after buying it.
Yeah...your display, hopelessly obsolete due to its lack of a minute, trivial cosmetic detail...that would suck.
Hey, that's pretty nice! Certainly not entirely disgusting like some I've seen.
They took the side shot of the G5 and plopped a display into it, but it works. I guess those "feet" simply go back some and support it. That's not a bad look at all.
I don't like that (purple) mock-up. I want a more adjustable display, with an arm like the iMac's. And I think the Infinite Cantina article mentions something like that.
As far as whether it looks like the G5, I couldn't care less whether it has pinstripes or looks like the flower power iMac.
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The new displays would need only to be adjustable (a la 17" iMac) and have an INTEGRATED iSight camera. (Apple's been talking about integrating cameras on displays for years - now they have a reason...)
To me, the biggest question is whether the integrated camera would mean a Firewire port available on the monitor as well.
Those three features would put Apple displays so far ahead of the pack, I'm not sure anyone else would still be in the game.
Originally posted by COS
Also worth noting is that if you go to the Hi Res display page:
http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/displays/03displays.html
I think somebody screwed up with the top photo and let the cat out of the bag. DOH!
That hi res picture indeed does not have stripes (and not due to any photographic or compression reasons) BUT that same image has been online since about January. I wanted to use one of those images as a desktop a while ago. I probably have it on a backup. (If the old image I have has stripes them I'd concede something's up)...
My guess is that those are displays rendered in Maya and they don't use the striped pattern because it breaks up and moirés too much, especially in print (which is what those pics are largely meant for). Artistic/practical reason to omit the stripes.
Were there internal/spec changes that are signified by this, or is it just cosmetic? And if it's just cosmetic, then I don't see how the presence or absence of pinstripes matters TOO much, since the displays themselves - in coloring, style, acrylic accents, glossiness, etc. - don't match the G5 in any way, shape or form to begin with.
They look horribly mismatched and I'm convinced that Apple is going to roll out some nice new, sleek models in the next month or so. I can't believe they'd drastically change the tower so much, BUT still keep around an LCD design that is just as dated and in need of a refresh.
But beyond all that, what is the particular interest/fascination with the pinstripes?
I ask in all sincerity.
Originally posted by TofuTodd
johnq, you do not know what you are talking about. ZOOM IN. THE STRIPES ARE EASILY SEEN IF YOU ZOOM IN. END OF DISCUSSION.
There are no stripes in the family pic. Period. Whetehr or not there are stripes on actual shipping products isn't my argument. I don't even want that design, but rather a newer one altogether. I just know the difference between pixelization/compression and actual photographed stripes. (Insert derisive "Ohhh everyone's a Photoshop expert these days" type of comment here)
pscates, of course it doesn't matter. Of course they will intoduce a new line of monitors to match. What's your point? Half of us are debating a picture, not real shipping products.
[pscates I misnamed you in the removed bit instead of Todd, sorry. Rant removed until re-edited]
Todd, what makes you the expert?
Anyone else tired of this thread then just skip the thread and move on. (I know Todd is incapable of not commenting, have pity but we need an antagonist, keeps us sharp).
Otherwise we'll kick this one around, uselessly or not, for a long as we are interested, however mildly.
Originally posted by johnq
pscates, of course it doesn't matter. Of course they will intoduce a new line of monitors to match. What's your point?
My point, smart-ass (and I thought I made it kinda clear that I was genuinely curious what all the hubbub was over), was that I didn't know if the pinstripes signified some sort of internal tweak or component upgrade and if THAT was the reason everyone was so wrapped up in the "pinstripes or no pinstripes" back-and-forth. I asked, very plainly, was it solely a cosmetic issue or were newer/tweaked models quietly released and the way to tell them apart from previous models is the lack of pinstripes. THAT'S my "point".
Geek hardware forums and your opinion matter? Of course not.
I'd like to think so. A little bit. It was a legit question. Why/how you got your wad into such a rude knot is kinda beyond me.
You are as much of a useless speck of squeaky carbon as I am and anyone else here.
Charming. Work on that one long?
But we others are at least on topic rather than popping in to merely deride the participants.
Re-read through the thread. I think I made several "on topic" contributions earlier on. I'm not "deriding" anyone, only asking what this fascination/debate with the pinstripes was over.
Anyone else tired of this thread then just skip the thread and move on. (I know pscates is incapable of not commenting, have pity).
And you're right. You can keep the pity, however. I just wanted to stop by and comment...comment on your having just received the coveted "2003 Rude Prick For No Good Reason of the Year" award. Congrats. The trophy is being engraved this afternoon, I hear.
Otherwise we'll kick this one around, uselessly or not, for a long as we are interested, however mildly.
Well then, it's obvious the thread is in good hands. By all means, carry on.
Somewhere in all of this is a moral and a small "life lesson" about not being so dead-set on showing your ass when you've only got 17 posts and are still somewhat new to a particular community. You're off to a rousing start...welcome aboard!
I did mislabel my whining towards yuo when I had meant Todd. (Sorry to insult you by confusing you with Todd).
The other remark, had you read it properly, stated that none of our opinions matter authoritatively, so we should be all allowed to talk.
"2003 Rude Prick For No Good Reason of the Year" award
Had you not said "asshead" many posts ago to one of my posts I might not have been so predisposed to read prickishness into your every post. I'll try to read the lines more than between them, oh veteran.
Originally posted by johnq
Had you not said "asshead" many posts ago to one of my posts I might not have been so predisposed to read prickishness into your every post. I'll try to read the lines more than between them, oh veteran.
Wow, THAT one has hung around. You can let that one go now, really.
I think if you ask around and do indeed "read between the lines" a bit (if I remember correctly, I think I used smileys during that particular post), I'm not a pot-stirrer or a prick and don't make it a habit of going around kicking things up, just to be a jerk.
You really, really need to let the "asshead" thing go, okay? It was a throwaway comment not maliciously directed at anyone in a true, meaningful way, okay? Goodness, how long ago was that? Do I say it in every post? No, not hardly.
RELAX. And seriously, this "veteran" welcomes you to AppleInsider.
Originally posted by BJNY
updated displays between Sept. 2003 and Jan. 2004 according to July 3rd edition of www.macosrumors.com Also repeats Macwhispers' prediction of a 30" display.
Hey, that would be cool. I wonder why they didn't announce them when they did the G5s? It might save a lot of people some anger and resentment? Even if they weren't shipping, people would know that - along with the G5 - new, redesigned displays are on the way and they can start planning/budgeting accordingly.
They might whip them out at that Create thing in July, since it's that type of show/venue.
Is Seybold still in August? Remember, that was the site of the original G4 unveiling in 1999, so displays (or new PowerBooks) could very well be announced there too.
Been a pretty active, amazing year in any case...
Don't lynch me if it's been mentioned already. If it has, put me in as another vote for it
Oooo...ADC2! Power, USB, video AND AirPort!
You never know...
It'd be one less thing to stuff inside the space-conscious G5 interior.
I'm partial to the iBook keyboard though, don't mind me. (And moreso for the aluminum Powerbook keyboards)
Originally posted by pscates
Yeah, if they could figure out an elegant way to connect it to the tower, that IS a good idea. The reception would be much better, I'd imagine.
Oooo...ADC2! Power, USB, video AND AirPort!
You never know...
I remember reading somewhere that the current 23" & 24" LCD displays are already pushing the limit of DVI & ADC. I wonder how Apple will solve this for the 30" if in fact they'll produce it.
I have a few updates to that comment which are worth mentioning:
I called the lady back a coupe days later and asked if she could clarify that the displays were in fact changed because she did say, "I believe there was a change" key word: "believe".
I thought it was kindof bizarre that the PR person for displays would say that she believed something and not definitively say one way or another.
So, when I called her back for clarification the waters suddenly muddied even further. At first she said that she can't comment on rumors, and so I reminded her that this information wasn't based on rumor, but rather, images that were on Apple's web site.
After pointing her to the URL she seemed a bit disheveled... almost as if it those photos shouldn't be there yet... (Of course there's a possibility that I'm reading too much into that.)
So then, she said that she would call me back later in the day to confirm one way or another for me. She said that she needed to make a few phone calls.
12:00 rolls around. no phone call.
1:00 rolls around. no phone call.
2:00 rolls around. no phone call.
3:00 rolls around. no phone call.
4:00 rolls around. no phone call.
So I call her back and asked if she got any information. She said that she has a few voice mails that she needed to tend to, some of which she believed had the information she requested from their hardware department. She said that she'd give me a tomorrow morning for the answer.
Next morning I got the phone call to which she said that the displays had NOT changed. They were the same pinstripe models that had been there all along. She did say however that a few months back, the Apple logo did change from blue to silver.
I said, "But what about the photos. I'm looking at hi res photos which obviously have no pinstripes on them."
She replied, "Those photos have been heavily photo retouched so it is likely that the pinstripes were inadvertently removed when adjusting for lighting in the computer.
Being a graphic artist for over 9 years, I can accept this answer with confirmation. This is indeed possible, yet you ARE likely to see SOME remnants of pinstripes unless they were purposefully trying to give the illusion that the pinstripes were gone. I saw no such remnants in the edited photos.
Not wanting to debate with her about whether or not the photos had in fact been retouched. I thanked her for her time and hung up the phone.
Then, I want back to Apple's hi res image gallery and downloaded each of the hi res photos that they had available for the displays. When I opened them in photoshop, what I found was very surprising.
Some of the photos had pinstripes, while others (of the exact same model) clearly had none. When looking at another one of the photos that appeared to have none, I ended up finding the slightest traces of pinstripes within certain areas of the display when you look VERY closely.
So, I guess she was right. Many of the photos WERE heavily retouched. They were in fact the SAME displays.
While Apple may in fact be releasing new displays in the near future the ones shown on Apple's web site and in the hi res image gallery are the same ones we've known of for quite some time. The fact that the PR rep fidgeted when I told her that they were on Apple's web site gives me SOME indication that the displays will be updated soon, but as we all know that doesn't really mean much.
All of this makes me personally feel somewhat reassured. I just bought a 23" cinema display. I didn't want it to be out of date a few days after buying it.
All of this makes me personally feel somewhat reassured. I just bought a 23" cinema display. I didn't want it to be out of date a few days after buying it.
Yeah...your display, hopelessly obsolete due to its lack of a minute, trivial cosmetic detail...that would suck.
They took the side shot of the G5 and plopped a display into it, but it works. I guess those "feet" simply go back some and support it. That's not a bad look at all.
As far as whether it looks like the G5, I couldn't care less whether it has pinstripes or looks like the flower power iMac.