they're called creditcards and you don't need to have real money to use them, only a regular income.</strong><hr></blockquote>
and this, my friends, is the attitude that gets so many people in way over their financial heads these days. never buy anything on credit card that you can't pay off in two payments comfortably. you don't HAVE to pay it off in two payments, but if you don't have that much just in case, the interest rates will eat you alive for the rest of your life. credit cards are only slightly more evil than student loans, though.
the reason jobs is an excellent sales man is because of things like that he says and how casually he says them. he with that sentence gained alot of trust and enthusiasm from you so that u are confident in apple now.
...he could sell a pack of opened ketchup to a women and white gloves
Same here, I have a dual gig and feel mighty satisfied. You notice most people that bitch about ripoffs, lack of speed, yada yada actually have like a 3 year old machine? I haven't seen many "my dual gig is a slow peice of crap" posts (except for a few trolls at macnn)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Everyone knows that the current range of desktops is slower PERIOD than the latest wintel stuff, but cmon... they're not slow. Unless you're rendering 3D all day, which, lets face it, how many of the people here are actually doing? and if your that serious about it, why not a rack of Xserves. I'm a graphic designer working on an original Quicksilver 867, and for photoshop work and design, I could have no complaints. I've never thought it felt slow, even if I could run a few filters 2 seconds faster on a PC.
The biggest problem is that the apple range LOOKS slow and overpriced, whether it is or not. OK, thats hardly a revelation, but although the 970 is going to be vastly faster, I can't help thinking that if it's marketed in the same old way, the situation's not going to get any better, because we're still going to be at half the perceived speed of Intel. Apple needs to think carefully about that.
[quote] I'm bigger than they are. <hr></blockquote>
you must have boys....i have daughters, it matters little that i am bigger than they are, they have all the power....g
ps...good luck with your computer purchase...hopefully you'll get a nice tax refund....and there should be a new iMac/eMac and maybe even new towers by then.....do you know anybody in education? or use your kids....the education store at apple always has great deals on older models of the tower if you don't have to be cutting edge....
[quote] quote:
Originally posted by Mac The Fork:
I unfortunately don't know anyone who could afford that (in real life).
in the US of A they have small pieces of plastic
they're called creditcards and you don't need to have real money to use them, only a regular income <hr></blockquote>
hey, i pay off my credit cards every month...we just keep our computers a long time....had a 1999 iMac DV that went to the eldest daughters room with an airport card when we got the iMac lcd last year....this year i will probably get a laptop for my younger daughter and she will keep that in her room (she currently has a 5 year old PC laptop running windows 95 that i "inherited" from work)....hopefully that will keep us for awhile...at least till the girls go to college....g
:eek: I unfortunately don't know anyone who could afford that (in real life).
</strong><hr></blockquote>
We own Beige G3 desktops. My 14 year old son plays Warcraft III on a 300 MHz desktop, with original processor and graphics. He just turns off a few things like the music, and it works. The only upgrades are a larger hard drive, more RAM and a $12 USB card. It's a lower cost way of getting computers for everyone in the house. His Mac is faster and more upgraded than mine.
<strong>That's not true. A lot of the heat and power are created by the harddrive so adding a second CPU doesn't just double the numbers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How about a 10/100 NIC instead of that 56k modem. Price difference would probably be negligable, and I could see more use out of a NIC (lan party, network, etc) than a modem. Or maybe a build to order option...
How about this:
SINGLE 1GHz PowerPC G4
167MHz System Bus
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-RW Drive
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
10/100 NIC
2 PCI slots
3 DIMM slots
1 AGP 4x slot (filled by GF4MX)
Airport ready (no card included)
$999.00
You could upgrade any part (Processor, HD, CD, modem for nic, graphics card, airport card, etc), this is just the base machine.
hmmmm.. it goes back to the cube ... if it where priced 999 ans 1299... then people would be happy... hmmmm maybe it should be resurected... comments anyone... people are fitting dual gigs and changing the grfx card... the minus they are adding small fans... you chose...
Wow, that's probably one of the biggest responses I've ever had here! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
It might not be an issue of being able to afford things, it's probably more that the people I know just wouldn't spend money to get computers wirelessly networked or even have enough recent computers around to make it possible (both of which are the case at home). Different priorities, I guess. Having wireless-networked Macs for the kids sounded extravagant to me.
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: Mac The Fork ]</p>
No? Twice the heat, twice the power consumption - "Adding a 2nd CPU would probably not be as difficult as you may think. I'm not an engineer, so I don't know." - if you don't know, don't say it wouldn't be as difficult as people think - because it just might.<hr></blockquote>
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That would be true if the processors were the only thermal masses in the case. Every electrical component in the case generates heat. The heat sink is important, but it is not the only vector of heat dissipation. The motherboard also plays a major role in conducting heat away from the processor. The heat dissipated by the motherboard does not scale linearly with the number of processors.
[quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:
<strong>
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, if they offered a single gig machine they could price that under the low-end dual 867 mhz machine and get the price under a grand with a decent graphics card. Or bundle a 15 LCD with said model for price of dual 867.
S'funny, even when I saw the 1.25 gig for the just above a grand price as dreamed above, it didn't look good value to what you see in PC World. Apple have a bit of work to do on making their Desktops meet the value of their own lap tops!
Luckily for Apple, it appears the 970 isn't that far away in the scheme of things.
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems to me that a design capable of dissipating the heat of two G4s might also handle one 970. Which would you prefer?
Comments
<strong>
in the US of A they have small pieces of plastic
they're called creditcards and you don't need to have real money to use them, only a regular income.</strong><hr></blockquote>
and this, my friends, is the attitude that gets so many people in way over their financial heads these days. never buy anything on credit card that you can't pay off in two payments comfortably. you don't HAVE to pay it off in two payments, but if you don't have that much just in case, the interest rates will eat you alive for the rest of your life. credit cards are only slightly more evil than student loans, though.
...he could sell a pack of opened ketchup to a women and white gloves
<strong>
Same here, I have a dual gig and feel mighty satisfied. You notice most people that bitch about ripoffs, lack of speed, yada yada actually have like a 3 year old machine? I haven't seen many "my dual gig is a slow peice of crap" posts (except for a few trolls at macnn)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Everyone knows that the current range of desktops is slower PERIOD than the latest wintel stuff, but cmon... they're not slow. Unless you're rendering 3D all day, which, lets face it, how many of the people here are actually doing? and if your that serious about it, why not a rack of Xserves. I'm a graphic designer working on an original Quicksilver 867, and for photoshop work and design, I could have no complaints. I've never thought it felt slow, even if I could run a few filters 2 seconds faster on a PC.
The biggest problem is that the apple range LOOKS slow and overpriced, whether it is or not. OK, thats hardly a revelation, but although the 970 is going to be vastly faster, I can't help thinking that if it's marketed in the same old way, the situation's not going to get any better, because we're still going to be at half the perceived speed of Intel. Apple needs to think carefully about that.
you must have boys....i have daughters, it matters little that i am bigger than they are, they have all the power....g
ps...good luck with your computer purchase...hopefully you'll get a nice tax refund....and there should be a new iMac/eMac and maybe even new towers by then.....do you know anybody in education? or use your kids....the education store at apple always has great deals on older models of the tower if you don't have to be cutting edge....
[quote] quote:
Originally posted by Mac The Fork:
I unfortunately don't know anyone who could afford that (in real life).
in the US of A they have small pieces of plastic
they're called creditcards and you don't need to have real money to use them, only a regular income <hr></blockquote>
hey, i pay off my credit cards every month...we just keep our computers a long time....had a 1999 iMac DV that went to the eldest daughters room with an airport card when we got the iMac lcd last year....this year i will probably get a laptop for my younger daughter and she will keep that in her room (she currently has a 5 year old PC laptop running windows 95 that i "inherited" from work)....hopefully that will keep us for awhile...at least till the girls go to college....g
[ 01-09-2003: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
<strong>
:eek: I unfortunately don't know anyone who could afford that (in real life).
</strong><hr></blockquote>
We own Beige G3 desktops. My 14 year old son plays Warcraft III on a 300 MHz desktop, with original processor and graphics. He just turns off a few things like the music, and it works. The only upgrades are a larger hard drive, more RAM and a $12 USB card. It's a lower cost way of getting computers for everyone in the house. His Mac is faster and more upgraded than mine.
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: snoopy ]</p>
<strong>That's not true. A lot of the heat and power are created by the harddrive so adding a second CPU doesn't just double the numbers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I meant the CPUs only, my bad.
<strong>SINGLE 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
167MHz System Bus
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
56K internal modem
$1,299.00
This is for a DESKTOP.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Someone please tell Steve Jobs.
<strong>
SINGLE 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
167MHz System Bus
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
56K internal modem
$1,299.00
This is for a DESKTOP.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How about a 10/100 NIC instead of that 56k modem. Price difference would probably be negligable, and I could see more use out of a NIC (lan party, network, etc) than a modem. Or maybe a build to order option...
How about this:
SINGLE 1GHz PowerPC G4
167MHz System Bus
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-RW Drive
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
10/100 NIC
2 PCI slots
3 DIMM slots
1 AGP 4x slot (filled by GF4MX)
Airport ready (no card included)
$999.00
You could upgrade any part (Processor, HD, CD, modem for nic, graphics card, airport card, etc), this is just the base machine.
Will this happen, I doubt it.
m
It might not be an issue of being able to afford things, it's probably more that the people I know just wouldn't spend money to get computers wirelessly networked or even have enough recent computers around to make it possible (both of which are the case at home). Different priorities, I guess. Having wireless-networked Macs for the kids sounded extravagant to me.
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: Mac The Fork ]</p>
No? Twice the heat, twice the power consumption - "Adding a 2nd CPU would probably not be as difficult as you may think. I'm not an engineer, so I don't know." - if you don't know, don't say it wouldn't be as difficult as people think - because it just might.<hr></blockquote>
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.
<strong>
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We won't see laptop Octos though
<strong>
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That would be true if the processors were the only thermal masses in the case. Every electrical component in the case generates heat. The heat sink is important, but it is not the only vector of heat dissipation. The motherboard also plays a major role in conducting heat away from the processor. The heat dissipated by the motherboard does not scale linearly with the number of processors.
[quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:
<strong>
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you figure that?
S'funny, even when I saw the 1.25 gig for the just above a grand price as dreamed above, it didn't look good value to what you see in PC World. Apple have a bit of work to do on making their Desktops meet the value of their own lap tops!
Luckily for Apple, it appears the 970 isn't that far away in the scheme of things.
Lemon Bon Bon
[ 01-12-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
<strong>it's like they let a high school senior class run the national morning news...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And this would be a bad thing?
<strong>
Also twice the chip surface area to dissipate the heat. Energy (and heat reduction) mode by alternating power to CPUs. Not so tough to engineer with a large case like the 15" & 17" Powerbooks.
We will see dual CPU portables, it's just a matter of time. And the sooner the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems to me that a design capable of dissipating the heat of two G4s might also handle one 970. Which would you prefer?
PPC 970
Up to 4GB Ram
80,100,120GB HD's
SuperDrive All Models
when you start it, instead of a startup chime it will play a song...
obviously to the tune of the song
"can't touch this..."