<strong>hmmmm.. it goes back to the cube ... if it where priced 999 ans 1299... then people would be happy... hmmmm maybe it should be resurected... comments anyone... people are fitting dual gigs and changing the grfx card... the minus they are adding small fans... you chose...
m</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
when you start it, instead of a startup chime it will play a song...
obviously to the tune of the song
"can't touch this..."</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not going to even try to guess what the first 970 machines will look like, but I think it would be very cool if they had the ability to address >4GB of RAM. It would be a good way to ring in the 64-bit era. Then Mr. Jobs could show off a new PowerMac with, say, 16 GB of RAM in it and doing a bake off where the 970 absolutely stomps the PC because the PC is busy virtual memory swapping.
<strong>I'm not going to even try to guess what the first 970 machines will look like, but I think it would be very cool if they had the ability to address >4GB of RAM. It would be a good way to ring in the 64-bit era. Then Mr. Jobs could show off a new PowerMac with, say, 16 GB of RAM in it and doing a bake off where the 970 absolutely stomps the PC because the PC is busy virtual memory swapping.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I saw 1GB and 2GB RAM modules already but I wonder how that could be mounted - 8 RAM slots? And even finding software that actually needs that much.. some A2 poster size Photoshop image @ 300 dpi maybe. Or a whole video loaded in RAM, though I wonder how lond loading that into RAM would take (given the speed of the harddrives).
I saw 1GB and 2GB RAM modules already but I wonder how that could be mounted - 8 RAM slots? And even finding software that actually needs that much.. some A2 poster size Photoshop image @ 300 dpi maybe. Or a whole video loaded in RAM, though I wonder how lond loading that into RAM would take (given the speed of the harddrives).</strong><hr></blockquote>
well i'd rather wait while a movie loads into ram, can you imagine how fast editing would be if u were working with things entirely in ram instead of editing it on the HD...say goodbye to spending lots of money on >10000RPM HD's, no need
well i'd rather wait while a movie loads into ram, can you imagine how fast editing would be if u were working with things entirely in ram instead of editing it on the HD...say goodbye to spending lots of money on >10000RPM HD's, no need</strong><hr></blockquote>
sounds a bit pricey, but the ends may justify the means.
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Rok:
You'd probably enjoy the UK Macworld 2003 predictions thread, where Barto talks up modular add-ons to towers, and I ran with that suggestion in a more, um, cubist direction....
Dual's are inevitable in the Powerbook line because it must use multiple CPU's (even 970's) to compete with Intel and AMD offerings.
Apple has the opportunity to win the "Mhz Wars" decisively and for the foreseeable future by using multiple processors to gain whatever speed is needed to stay on top.
<strong>... but in a couple of years it will be a different game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, you're definitly right about that. In a couple of years it will be a different game, a game without apple. A lost game anyway. Sorry I#m pessim., but thats the bare true in that whole story.
first of all the new powerbooks are awesome,especially the 12".
steve blew everyone away at the keynote,i havent seen an audience THAT hyped in a LONG time.
many of the detractors of apple on these boards were either silenced or raved about the product introductions.
i was blown away by "imovie" in particular,and "safari" seems to be enjoying massive acceptance,judging by apples downloads.
and.........
EVERY RUMOUR SITE WAS DEAD WRONG!!! about what this macworld would be all about.
way to go steve.
seems like everyone is fixated on the 970 and with good reason.
we will see.
remember...steve likes surprises.
the moscone center was PACKED!
not only with people,but with exhibitors!!!
last year the exhibitors and attendees were noticable lower than this year.
did anyone notice that TIVO will get RENDEVOUS?
hmmm..........
this is gonna be one exciting year.
remember when the ipod came out?
no one thought it would be as popular as it is now.
who knew?
i think what would be a challenging and very fruitful thing for apple to do is come up with a "business lifestyle" strategy,something similar to it digital hub strategy,but for business.
maybe it could deal with communication,business presentations(KEYNOTE),project management,ect.....
no one is doing this for the business world and i think apple could do it.
2003 is going to be a year that no computer user is going to forget.
Then:
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with ATI. Sure Apple is doing some very interesting stuff on the graphics front going forward, BUT it's not something that makes me fall off my chair when I hear about it.
Anyhow, this isn't anything that's been revealed to ATI. Apple is very secretive, even with their partners. Our company is not aware of Apple's future CPU plans, we haven't seen any roadmaps, and we most certainly don't have any PPC 970 powered Mac's or anything of the sort. As far as ATI is aware, Apple is continuing with the existing CPU family.
Having said all that, I can tell you that the battlefront will be one helluva interesting place this coming year -- for more than one reason! This is my last post on this, sorry. I can't risk inadvertantly saying anything.
And then:
I'm telling you what has officially been disclosed to ATI. It doesn't mean that Apple is not developing a PPC970 based machine. Maybe it's much further down the road, so they haven't had the need to tell us yet. Maybe it's all nVidia based, so we won't find out til it ships etc.
If a PPC970 based machine IS under development, it's obviously very secretive and we wouldn't find out about it until absolutely necessary.
And finally:
No, this information does not come through ATI in any way, shape or form. Not directly from Apple or from any of our other OEMs.
I'm not under NDA with regards to this since nothing has been disclosed to ATI yet. However given our close relationship with Apple, I can't divulge any details on what I believe to be their future plans, NDA or not.
Sorry, my comments may have sent people off on a wild goose chase. I'm just going to reiterate that it's going to be a very important year.
<strong>Dual's are inevitable in the Powerbook line because it must use multiple CPU's (even 970's) to compete with Intel and AMD offerings.
Apple has the opportunity to win the "Mhz Wars" decisively and for the foreseeable future by using multiple processors to gain whatever speed is needed to stay on top.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I doubt we will see duals in the laptops. We might see dual core's when IBM releases the 980, and if Apple does indead go with IBM's chips for the "long haul", dual processors just take up too much space and power.
Why does everyone always say apple will be out of it in a few years? Sheesh people have been saying that for years. Apple and Dell are the only 2 profitable computer makers there are right now. A lot of small takers are going to go out of business. With everything apple owns now, Shake, all those audio apps, I think now is one of the coolest times to be an apple users. I also think the PC switcher margin is actually very high, its just that people right now are in a slump in actual PC sales. I do so much editing, and graphic work and by a big margin my mac is faster it seems than a PC. Also try getting anything printed these days , 75% newspapers, and around 60% of magazines are mac only, you will have a hard time sending a PC ad in for ad submission. As soon as the market picks up which it will things are going to be great. Apple is right on about the majority of general users will be laptop sales, only pro systems will be desktop system I bet here in a year, year and a half. The only people who will buy desktops are the people in the sub 1000 demo, and tho you think that demo may be buying loads of computers. From what I hear from Neilson and other reports thru mrkting, the actual margin on all PC sales is generally above 1600. You'd think people just want a PC(crap) to check e-mail but really they want a whole lot more. Just wait you'll see
<strong>Why does everyone always say apple will be out of it in a few years?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh probably because in the last 10-15 years Apple's world-wide market share has gone from about 10% to less than 3%.
Of course, that overlooks the fact that the global computer market grew at a tremendous rate over that same period. But there is no denying that Apple has seen better days.
That's not to say that they won't be able to turn around the current trend. I remember the bump they got from the PPC604 when it was introduced. You saw a definite uptick in Mac sales thanks to the 604's speed advantage over the Pentium. Problem was, it didn't last because they lost the advantage again to faster clocked Pentiums.
EVERY RUMOUR SITE WAS DEAD WRONG!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>
um, actually, check your facts. aside from the powerbooks (which yes, were big), thinksecret was about 75-80% correct on those things they felt confident enough in posting. (i say "about" because how do you score something they felt 75% sure would happen). and they were 100% correct on macworld new york in july.
i'd say they're "the gold standard" right now, if there is such a thing in the rumor mill market.
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<strong>hmmmm.. it goes back to the cube ... if it where priced 999 ans 1299... then people would be happy... hmmmm maybe it should be resurected... comments anyone... people are fitting dual gigs and changing the grfx card... the minus they are adding small fans... you chose...
m</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>New G4's:
PPC 970
Up to 4GB Ram
80,100,120GB HD's
SuperDrive All Models
when you start it, instead of a startup chime it will play a song...
obviously to the tune of the song
"can't touch this..."</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not going to even try to guess what the first 970 machines will look like, but I think it would be very cool if they had the ability to address >4GB of RAM. It would be a good way to ring in the 64-bit era. Then Mr. Jobs could show off a new PowerMac with, say, 16 GB of RAM in it and doing a bake off where the 970 absolutely stomps the PC because the PC is busy virtual memory swapping.
<strong>I'm not going to even try to guess what the first 970 machines will look like, but I think it would be very cool if they had the ability to address >4GB of RAM. It would be a good way to ring in the 64-bit era. Then Mr. Jobs could show off a new PowerMac with, say, 16 GB of RAM in it and doing a bake off where the 970 absolutely stomps the PC because the PC is busy virtual memory swapping.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I saw 1GB and 2GB RAM modules already but I wonder how that could be mounted - 8 RAM slots? And even finding software that actually needs that much.. some A2 poster size Photoshop image @ 300 dpi maybe. Or a whole video loaded in RAM, though I wonder how lond loading that into RAM would take (given the speed of the harddrives).
<strong>
I saw 1GB and 2GB RAM modules already but I wonder how that could be mounted - 8 RAM slots? And even finding software that actually needs that much.. some A2 poster size Photoshop image @ 300 dpi maybe. Or a whole video loaded in RAM, though I wonder how lond loading that into RAM would take (given the speed of the harddrives).</strong><hr></blockquote>
well i'd rather wait while a movie loads into ram, can you imagine how fast editing would be if u were working with things entirely in ram instead of editing it on the HD...say goodbye to spending lots of money on >10000RPM HD's, no need
<strong>
well i'd rather wait while a movie loads into ram, can you imagine how fast editing would be if u were working with things entirely in ram instead of editing it on the HD...say goodbye to spending lots of money on >10000RPM HD's, no need</strong><hr></blockquote>
sounds a bit pricey, but the ends may justify the means.
<strong>
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I would sell you mine.
<strong>
it's a possibility. i am constantly tempted to buy a used cube, throw in a dual 867 (1 ghz is theoretically possible, but untested), used geforce3 (which i heard will fit), and a slot-loading superdrive (though where you buy them solo i have no idea), and you would have one HELL of a machine in an 8-in. cube.
the sucky part is that no one seems willing to part with their cubes... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Rok:
You'd probably enjoy the UK Macworld 2003 predictions thread, where Barto talks up modular add-ons to towers, and I ran with that suggestion in a more, um, cubist direction....
.... hmmm i like it....
and 2 800 firewire ports ... thats a great machine...
anyways dreams are nice but i will settle with a powerbook and an xserve in the closet to render everything...
ty,
m2
Apple has the opportunity to win the "Mhz Wars" decisively and for the foreseeable future by using multiple processors to gain whatever speed is needed to stay on top.
Actually, as far as i understand it's just picking up the pieces. Apple is slashed in the promarket. Anything new will be DOA.
just my 2 cents
<strong>... but in a couple of years it will be a different game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, you're definitly right about that. In a couple of years it will be a different game, a game without apple. A lost game anyway. Sorry I#m pessim., but thats the bare true in that whole story.
first of all the new powerbooks are awesome,especially the 12".
steve blew everyone away at the keynote,i havent seen an audience THAT hyped in a LONG time.
many of the detractors of apple on these boards were either silenced or raved about the product introductions.
i was blown away by "imovie" in particular,and "safari" seems to be enjoying massive acceptance,judging by apples downloads.
and.........
EVERY RUMOUR SITE WAS DEAD WRONG!!! about what this macworld would be all about.
way to go steve.
seems like everyone is fixated on the 970 and with good reason.
we will see.
remember...steve likes surprises.
the moscone center was PACKED!
not only with people,but with exhibitors!!!
last year the exhibitors and attendees were noticable lower than this year.
did anyone notice that TIVO will get RENDEVOUS?
hmmm..........
this is gonna be one exciting year.
remember when the ipod came out?
no one thought it would be as popular as it is now.
who knew?
i think what would be a challenging and very fruitful thing for apple to do is come up with a "business lifestyle" strategy,something similar to it digital hub strategy,but for business.
maybe it could deal with communication,business presentations(KEYNOTE),project management,ect.....
no one is doing this for the business world and i think apple could do it.
just a thought that i had.
anyways...
its a new year and let the rumours begin!!!!
peace. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
2003 is going to be a year that no computer user is going to forget.
Then:
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with ATI. Sure Apple is doing some very interesting stuff on the graphics front going forward, BUT it's not something that makes me fall off my chair when I hear about it.
Anyhow, this isn't anything that's been revealed to ATI. Apple is very secretive, even with their partners. Our company is not aware of Apple's future CPU plans, we haven't seen any roadmaps, and we most certainly don't have any PPC 970 powered Mac's or anything of the sort. As far as ATI is aware, Apple is continuing with the existing CPU family.
Having said all that, I can tell you that the battlefront will be one helluva interesting place this coming year -- for more than one reason! This is my last post on this, sorry. I can't risk inadvertantly saying anything.
And then:
I'm telling you what has officially been disclosed to ATI. It doesn't mean that Apple is not developing a PPC970 based machine. Maybe it's much further down the road, so they haven't had the need to tell us yet. Maybe it's all nVidia based, so we won't find out til it ships etc.
If a PPC970 based machine IS under development, it's obviously very secretive and we wouldn't find out about it until absolutely necessary.
And finally:
No, this information does not come through ATI in any way, shape or form. Not directly from Apple or from any of our other OEMs.
I'm not under NDA with regards to this since nothing has been disclosed to ATI yet. However given our close relationship with Apple, I can't divulge any details on what I believe to be their future plans, NDA or not.
Sorry, my comments may have sent people off on a wild goose chase. I'm just going to reiterate that it's going to be a very important year.
That should give you all plenty to chew on....
[ 01-13-2003: Message edited by: boy_analog ]</p>
"2003 is going to be huge but not due to ATI."
Well thank you very much!
Yeesh!
Screed
<strong>Mostly gristle, those posts said absolutely nothing.
"2003 is going to be huge but not due to ATI."
Well thank you very much!
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you know, MrNSX likes his job. I can't say that I blame him. It's much harder to buy an NSX if you don't have one.
I'm glad he said what he did, personally. Now I'm really looking forward to this year. Speculators, start your engines!
<strong>Dual's are inevitable in the Powerbook line because it must use multiple CPU's (even 970's) to compete with Intel and AMD offerings.
Apple has the opportunity to win the "Mhz Wars" decisively and for the foreseeable future by using multiple processors to gain whatever speed is needed to stay on top.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I doubt we will see duals in the laptops. We might see dual core's when IBM releases the 980, and if Apple does indead go with IBM's chips for the "long haul", dual processors just take up too much space and power.
<strong>Why does everyone always say apple will be out of it in a few years?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh probably because in the last 10-15 years Apple's world-wide market share has gone from about 10% to less than 3%.
Of course, that overlooks the fact that the global computer market grew at a tremendous rate over that same period. But there is no denying that Apple has seen better days.
That's not to say that they won't be able to turn around the current trend. I remember the bump they got from the PPC604 when it was introduced. You saw a definite uptick in Mac sales thanks to the 604's speed advantage over the Pentium. Problem was, it didn't last because they lost the advantage again to faster clocked Pentiums.
<strong>Damn I wanted to watch that and forgot to do it! Shit!</strong><hr></blockquote>
what channal was this one can someone put it on and when was it. can sme one put it on there computer and post it or let us down load it.
<strong>
and.........
EVERY RUMOUR SITE WAS DEAD WRONG!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>
um, actually, check your facts. aside from the powerbooks (which yes, were big), thinksecret was about 75-80% correct on those things they felt confident enough in posting. (i say "about" because how do you score something they felt 75% sure would happen). and they were 100% correct on macworld new york in july.
i'd say they're "the gold standard" right now, if there is such a thing in the rumor mill market.