iPod doesn't have 50% of the digital player market. It's more like 20% which is still amazing.
iTMS debuted with 200,000 songs.
The BuyMusic ads are running on tv. I saw one that had three different people listening to their MP3 players while parodying the Apple ads. I think they are funnier. (I never thought the Apple ads were that great). The screen tag is "BUYMUSIC.COM" - Get Loaded.
iPod doesn't have 50% of the digital player market. It's more like 20% which is still amazing.
iTMS debuted with 200,000 songs.
The BuyMusic ads are running on tv. I saw one that had three different people listening to their MP3 players while parodying the Apple ads. I think they are funnier. (I never thought the Apple ads were that great). The screen tag is "BUYMUSIC.COM" - Get Loaded.
the nimrods at buymusic forgot one thing... if they're not careful, they'll send buyers TO apple, not away from them.
good lord, this company has sh!t for brains. the whole collective lot of them.
the nimrods at buymusic forgot one thing... if they're not careful, they'll send buyers TO apple, not away from them.
good lord, this company has sh!t for brains. the whole collective lot of them.
Indeed, they should have asked Gateway how well it didn't work for them. They lack the subtlety of a good parody. They're funny to people who think SNL is funny.
[added] Watching the ads again, they really aren't doing themselves a favor. "Music downloads for the rest of us" and of course the Errol Morris style backdrops will make people think of Apple. I think they're trying to covey not only a "Me too" attitude, but also a sense of comfort and convenience, when it will make the grass on this side look greener to a lot of people.
A person at work already brought up BuyMusic.com at work today, but when I told them about the non-transferrable license, needless to say, they looked a little deflated. I've been hawking my iPod to anyone who glances at it, talking about the iTMS. I think this person thought he found something just as good (I guess the "me too" approach isn't off base), only to be terribly wrong. I should note this person has hundreds of CDs, so they're not necessarily your typical music shopper, though he is probably the perfect candidate for online purchasing/downloads. He's been converting all the songs he likes to MP3s with the hopes of abandoning many of his physical CDs, he buys from Amazon all the time because of the low prices and convenience, so he probably sees these services as a godsend. However, he apparently does like to actually own the music he pays for.
hehe... they're selling to a bigger market they're BOUND to make truckloads of money! NOT! ... ask Gateway. It might do alright... with alot of marketing.
It's funny how great the Applestore is doing and it only supports macs at the moment.
BuyMusic.com, the Wal-Mart of on-line music stores!
The webpage is terrible. It formats funky on my windoze work machine running IE and even has the unrefined white-walled, somehow-disturbingly-off-but-bright colors of a Wal-Mart (kind of like a whimpy version of XP colors)...yuck...
...of course Wal-Mart makes alot of money because alot of people only care about price, not about quality or child labor manufacturing laws.
The ads have all of the subtlety of a high school attempt at parodying SNL, without the quaintness.
The Ars Tech article is great and I love the line:
"All downloaded Content is sublicensed to End Users and not sold,notwithstanding use of the terms 'sell,' 'purchase,' 'order,' or 'buy' on the Site or this Agreement."
We use the term buy, but you shouldn't assume we mean "buy." All the genuine honesty of a presidential candidate.
And as for Tommy Lee being their spokesman!?!?! I prefer Steve's friends.
And does Scott Blum realize that iPods run on Windoze machines now?
I also agree that the model of having the store in the music player is more elegant and may even be more technically reliable for DRM specs than just a website. People are pretty used to buying from websites now though. What if you had to download a special Amazon app just to buy from Amazon.com?
My main concern is that, as stated by someone earlier, Apple may not be able to get a much better deal for its version on PC's from the big labels unless or until BuyMusic fails.
Anyway, I'm sure Apple is counting all of the problems with this attempt and already designing a new set of commercials! At least I hope it and Amazon will help bring the prices down to my personal sweet spot of 50 cents/song.
BTW, if there some of your tracks have limited transfers and others don't how can you keep your mp3 player and computer synced? Some songs just drop off the lineup without you knowing? You have to make sure you never erase a song from your portable player?
It seems like you just couldn't do the automatic synching and on the fly playlist editing and smart playlisting and remote listening via Rendezvous..... This looks less and less intriguing the more I think about it.
The bottom line is that unlike the subscription services and iTMS, this isn't consistent. If you pay $40/month to stream whatever you want, that's sort of like having your own jukebox. People can relate to that, and all songs are equal. On iTMS, you buy what you want, and you have it - the DRM restrictions are mostly transparent given the way people actually use digital music - and all songs are equal.
That license agreement spells doom. Can you imagine explaining to people why and how the Metallica song won't let them do what the TOOL song will? How intuitive is that?
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Originally posted by Eugene
I think the big reason for the delay in the Windows iTunesMS is the implementation of DRM. Each PC has to be identifiable, even when individual components change. It's the same problem MS product activation has. It has to somehow be tied to the hardware otherwise it will be easily circumvented.
This isn't actually all that difficult under Apple's implementation, because they make you authorize computers, and they let you deauthorize them as well. So if the license is absolutely clear about what Apple considers a "computer," you'll know whether to deauthorize the machine before upgrading, and whether you'll need to authorize the "new" machine afterward - basically, just like a Mac user replacing their old machine.
Hm, okay so here comes the stupid question of the day. I'm not familiar with the SDMI DRM thing or whatever it is, so if you can burn a CD with whatever *getloaded* songs you bought, can you rip the CD back to another computer into MP3 tracks, or does the SDMI wrapper or whatever it is prevent that (I assume this is the case)?
Hm, okay so here comes the stupid question of the day. I'm not familiar with the SDMI DRM thing or whatever it is, so if you can burn a CD with whatever *getloaded* songs you bought, can you rip the CD back to another computer into MP3 tracks, or does the SDMI wrapper or whatever it is prevent that (I assume this is the case)?
Not a stupid question at all. It's kinda like what we were all struggling with when iTMS came out. For the iTMS, once it's made an audio cd, DRM is gone. I don't know about WiMP9. It'd be interesting to find out.
I mentioned the slogan to a friend of mine. He wasn't paying much attention, but when he heard "Get Loaded" he thought I was talking about a site that sells you illegal drugs.
People are pretty used to buying from websites now though. What if you had to download a special Amazon app just to buy from Amazon.com?
But buying music from a website? Then you have to look for it on your hard drive and add it to your music player. You might be surprised to know how many of my friends were unable to locate music downloaded from Napster to add it to Winamp. They could only comprehend playing it in Napster! Trying to teach them to navigate to the music directory using Windows Explorer was a painful chore. iTunes isn't a special app you use to download music. It's your jukebox app, and the fact that it does your music acquisition for you (from CD ripping to online downloading) as well is a major, major plus.
Besides the nasty one-computer, inconsistent DRM attached to the WMA files from BuyMusic.com, what about sound quality? From what I recall of listening tests I've read about, 128K AAC is a superior sounding format compared to 128K WMA.
I'm not sure how much quality will count in the developing on-line music buying market, but I hope it counts for something.
By the way, it looks like the 300,000 songs they supposedly have are nearly completely fictitious. The site is full of track, that when you try to buy them, say "not available yet." Even with that, their complete catalog only lists 115,000.
If Apple had simply listed every song they had license to sell on the Apple store, but hadn't got around to ripping yet, they could have listed a lot more than the initial 100k. This place really looks like a shady dead.
Yeah, I noticed their complete lack of songs as well. This Blum guy is really pushing this service based on a whole lot of nonsense. There could hypothetically download from 300, 000 songs, one day, maybe. You could also purchase a "digital download" for only 79 cents, if you could find one for that amount. Then of course, there's the fact that you are not buying songs, you're buying "digital downloads" of songs that you're allowed to listen to.
It seems that they've re-tooled the Rhapsody model of streaming downloads, except you're allowed to have a local copy of the stream on your computer. But the rights allowed by buymusic.com are about as liberal as Rhpasody's streams. You really can't do much with music you've bought.
But buying music from a website? Then you have to look for it on your hard drive and add it to your music player. You might be surprised to know how many of my friends were unable to locate music downloaded from Napster to add it to Winamp. They could only comprehend playing it in Napster! Trying to teach them to navigate to the music directory using Windows Explorer was a painful chore. iTunes isn't a special app you use to download music. It's your jukebox app, and the fact that it does your music acquisition for you (from CD ripping to online downloading) as well is a major, major plus.
You know that and I know that, I just am always amazed at the gullibility of the public for all things web-based. The more I see iTMS the more I appriciate its elegance compared to everyother lame attempt. This site isn't going to be the competition anyway...It'll be Real and M$ as usual with Amazon working with one of them to be a source.
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iTMS debuted with 100,000 songs right?
iTMS debuted with 200,000 songs.
The BuyMusic ads are running on tv. I saw one that had three different people listening to their MP3 players while parodying the Apple ads. I think they are funnier. (I never thought the Apple ads were that great). The screen tag is "BUYMUSIC.COM" - Get Loaded.
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
iPod doesn't have 50% of the digital player market. It's more like 20% which is still amazing.
iTMS debuted with 200,000 songs.
The BuyMusic ads are running on tv. I saw one that had three different people listening to their MP3 players while parodying the Apple ads. I think they are funnier. (I never thought the Apple ads were that great). The screen tag is "BUYMUSIC.COM" - Get Loaded.
the nimrods at buymusic forgot one thing... if they're not careful, they'll send buyers TO apple, not away from them.
good lord, this company has sh!t for brains. the whole collective lot of them.
Originally posted by rok
the nimrods at buymusic forgot one thing... if they're not careful, they'll send buyers TO apple, not away from them.
good lord, this company has sh!t for brains. the whole collective lot of them.
Indeed, they should have asked Gateway how well it didn't work for them. They lack the subtlety of a good parody. They're funny to people who think SNL is funny.
[added] Watching the ads again, they really aren't doing themselves a favor. "Music downloads for the rest of us" and of course the Errol Morris style backdrops will make people think of Apple. I think they're trying to covey not only a "Me too" attitude, but also a sense of comfort and convenience, when it will make the grass on this side look greener to a lot of people.
A person at work already brought up BuyMusic.com at work today, but when I told them about the non-transferrable license, needless to say, they looked a little deflated. I've been hawking my iPod to anyone who glances at it, talking about the iTMS. I think this person thought he found something just as good (I guess the "me too" approach isn't off base), only to be terribly wrong. I should note this person has hundreds of CDs, so they're not necessarily your typical music shopper, though he is probably the perfect candidate for online purchasing/downloads. He's been converting all the songs he likes to MP3s with the hopes of abandoning many of his physical CDs, he buys from Amazon all the time because of the low prices and convenience, so he probably sees these services as a godsend. However, he apparently does like to actually own the music he pays for.
It's funny how great the Applestore is doing and it only supports macs at the moment.
The webpage is terrible. It formats funky on my windoze work machine running IE and even has the unrefined white-walled, somehow-disturbingly-off-but-bright colors of a Wal-Mart (kind of like a whimpy version of XP colors)...yuck...
...of course Wal-Mart makes alot of money because alot of people only care about price, not about quality or child labor manufacturing laws.
The ads have all of the subtlety of a high school attempt at parodying SNL, without the quaintness.
The Ars Tech article is great and I love the line:
"All downloaded Content is sublicensed to End Users and not sold,notwithstanding use of the terms 'sell,' 'purchase,' 'order,' or 'buy' on the Site or this Agreement."
We use the term buy, but you shouldn't assume we mean "buy." All the genuine honesty of a presidential candidate.
And as for Tommy Lee being their spokesman!?!?!
And does Scott Blum realize that iPods run on Windoze machines now?
I also agree that the model of having the store in the music player is more elegant and may even be more technically reliable for DRM specs than just a website. People are pretty used to buying from websites now though. What if you had to download a special Amazon app just to buy from Amazon.com?
My main concern is that, as stated by someone earlier, Apple may not be able to get a much better deal for its version on PC's from the big labels unless or until BuyMusic fails.
Anyway, I'm sure Apple is counting all of the problems with this attempt and already designing a new set of commercials! At least I hope it and Amazon will help bring the prices down to my personal sweet spot of 50 cents/song.
PS...the Tommy Lee ad ain't funny...
It seems like you just couldn't do the automatic synching and on the fly playlist editing and smart playlisting and remote listening via Rendezvous..... This looks less and less intriguing the more I think about it.
That license agreement spells doom. Can you imagine explaining to people why and how the Metallica song won't let them do what the TOOL song will? How intuitive is that?
Originally posted by Eugene
I think the big reason for the delay in the Windows iTunesMS is the implementation of DRM. Each PC has to be identifiable, even when individual components change. It's the same problem MS product activation has. It has to somehow be tied to the hardware otherwise it will be easily circumvented.
This isn't actually all that difficult under Apple's implementation, because they make you authorize computers, and they let you deauthorize them as well. So if the license is absolutely clear about what Apple considers a "computer," you'll know whether to deauthorize the machine before upgrading, and whether you'll need to authorize the "new" machine afterward - basically, just like a Mac user replacing their old machine.
That's about as simple as it's going to get.
Originally posted by MCQ
Hm, okay so here comes the stupid question of the day. I'm not familiar with the SDMI DRM thing or whatever it is, so if you can burn a CD with whatever *getloaded* songs you bought, can you rip the CD back to another computer into MP3 tracks, or does the SDMI wrapper or whatever it is prevent that (I assume this is the case)?
Not a stupid question at all. It's kinda like what we were all struggling with when iTMS came out. For the iTMS, once it's made an audio cd, DRM is gone. I don't know about WiMP9. It'd be interesting to find out.
He seemed to be. This is a joke.
Originally posted by MacGregor
People are pretty used to buying from websites now though. What if you had to download a special Amazon app just to buy from Amazon.com?
But buying music from a website? Then you have to look for it on your hard drive and add it to your music player. You might be surprised to know how many of my friends were unable to locate music downloaded from Napster to add it to Winamp. They could only comprehend playing it in Napster! Trying to teach them to navigate to the music directory using Windows Explorer was a painful chore. iTunes isn't a special app you use to download music. It's your jukebox app, and the fact that it does your music acquisition for you (from CD ripping to online downloading) as well is a major, major plus.
I'm not sure how much quality will count in the developing on-line music buying market, but I hope it counts for something.
If Apple had simply listed every song they had license to sell on the Apple store, but hadn't got around to ripping yet, they could have listed a lot more than the initial 100k. This place really looks like a shady dead.
It seems that they've re-tooled the Rhapsody model of streaming downloads, except you're allowed to have a local copy of the stream on your computer. But the rights allowed by buymusic.com are about as liberal as Rhpasody's streams. You really can't do much with music you've bought.
Now my head hurts.
This is real, right?
Uh... wow.
Originally posted by frawgz
But buying music from a website? Then you have to look for it on your hard drive and add it to your music player. You might be surprised to know how many of my friends were unable to locate music downloaded from Napster to add it to Winamp. They could only comprehend playing it in Napster! Trying to teach them to navigate to the music directory using Windows Explorer was a painful chore. iTunes isn't a special app you use to download music. It's your jukebox app, and the fact that it does your music acquisition for you (from CD ripping to online downloading) as well is a major, major plus.
You know that and I know that, I just am always amazed at the gullibility of the public for all things web-based. The more I see iTMS the more I appriciate its elegance compared to everyother lame attempt. This site isn't going to be the competition anyway...It'll be Real and M$ as usual with Amazon working with one of them to be a source.