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I also notice they fixed textedit in this build so that righ clicking again has the alternative spellings for words right at the top. They also changed the suggested words to offer more choices (around 8 now!), more like Windows. This is a good thing and helps me out in day to day editing quite a bit.
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I believe what John wants (speak of the devil!) is a return of spatial navigation in the Finder -- as the central, even primary, means of file navigation in OS X.
How much (or whether) the Spatial Finder is used should be up to the individual user.
Didn't I write a big article on this topic or something?
Obviously, I will comment on the Finder as it exists in the final release version of Panther. But there's little sense in picking apart reports of developer builds, IMO, since I'd just be making more work for myself
In the meantime, I think anyone who really cares how "pre-release Finder build XYZ" compares with my proposal has the information required to make such a comparison. Maybe I'll post some clarifications later, but answering specific questions would be easier than rewriting the whole article (which you've all read, of course... ;-)
It's .zip, it hangs the Finder on large files, and it doesn't support resource forks.
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
Obviously, I will comment on the Finder as it exists in the final release version of Panther. But there's little sense in picking apart reports of developer builds, IMO, since I'd just be making more work for myself
That seems fair. In case you have insanely great ideas, Apple will have the chance to implement then to your liking AFTER the development phase is done? Great plan!
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
i'm both impressed by your use of color for BE OS and saddened that u took the time to do that haha
1) have any networking functions (i.e. calendar sharing) been activated?
2) is there an option to set a reminder for tasks?
thanks
badlydrawnboy
Quote:
Originally posted by inkhead
iCal 1.5 is a nice update. No more stupid panel that pops up to ad new events. Just edit it right in the window. Right click works everywhere. And a slide drawer (similar to mail) lets you store notes and all the settings for events (new inspector)
Ohh. and it's much faster ;-)
if somebody has a dummy account they can setup on an exchange server or something of the likes I will be more than happy to test it out for you.
That seems fair. In case you have insanely great ideas, Apple will have the chance to implement then to your liking AFTER the development phase is done? Great plan!
My "insanely great ideas" for the Finder were in an article published before Panther DP was released.
Can you now visually split the same event across days or parts of a single day? That is, start on Monday, skip Tuesday, finish Wednesday. OR, Start and 9:00 a.m., stop at 11:00 a.m., continue and finish from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m?
Until iCal can visually do things like this without forcing users to create multiple instances of the same event, it will be [difficult for many business types to use it effectively].
This has been bothering me with Jaguar, and I'm wondering if it's been fixed [or improved?] in Jaguar .....
When you have multiple "locations" for your network settings ....
In Jaguar :
If you have an icon in the menubar for your "dial-up" connection, that icon still stays there when you switch to a different location that doesn't require that icon being there [thus, taking up space that's un-needed].
Is this behavior different in panther? or still the same?
I have about 5-6 different location settings (thanks to my powerbook's mobility for that ) and I really hate having all of the icons up in the menubar all at once [dial-up, PPPoE, airport, etc.]. I would prefer to only have them show up when I'm using that "location" setting.
1. I don't like all the wasted space on the border there. Tell me that it is possible to have multiple versions of these windows open? If so, it's just a waste of space. Even if it was only 3 pixels thick instead of.. what looks like 8 or so.
2. I wanna remove just the Sidebar, or just the Toolbar. I want the option to have the toolbar available but not open in the same window. Or at the very least, cram a Search box in the Status bar so I can at least use that. I hate having to toggle the toolbar now to search from the current location. I do this all the time.
3. Ok, so there's three. Sosumi! Anyway, I would prefer if instead of that side bar Apple made it into a sort of "Dock" that lives on the side or bottom of the screen and appears when you start dragging a file. Not only would it take less room, but it'd be damn cool. And it'd have all the volumes listed as well as being customizable like the Dock. But I'll see when it comes out.
Quote:
Originally posted by Reid Ellis
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
I don't MIND the Zip format, but the way I've always been able to tell when a file is usable on my Mac and not some Windows specific file/application compressed is by the extension. If it was a SIT or HQX I'd know, KNOW that it would work on my iMac and I didn't need to fear. Now it's just gonna get more confusing.
Quote:
Originally posted by johnpg
I'd love to see some iCal screenshots. Can one of you post some?
Thanks to everyone for the great info!
Cheers,
John
I too would like to see iCal if it's been changed at all. I use it all the time as sort of a Journal. Also so I know my work schedule. And since I'm in there all the time, I might as well see what is coming soon.
My friend was gonna "acquire" me a copy of 10.3, but it was probably an older one. Now I don't know if I even wanna bother with what looks to be completely outdated now.
All I ask of Apple is a DATE! And I don't mean December 31st.
1. I don't like all the wasted space on the border there. Tell me that it is possible to have multiple versions of these windows open? If so, it's just a waste of space. Even if it was only 3 pixels thick instead of.. what looks like 8 or so.
its just a mockup, just an idear to show how the same 10.3 Finder
with the same functions as the original brushed 10.3 Finder would
look if it had an Aqua interface
Its basically the same darn application only with (much better imo)
an Aqua interface. So it can have searchbox etc, whatever you want.
The real 10.3 Finder has this extra space too, needs it to separate
the sidebar. I agree it could be a lot thinner, but that is up to Apple.
Comments
Originally posted by awilkinson
I am a pirate and I should know better than coming to AppleInsider seeking technical support for my pirating ways. Please laugh at me and mock me for my evil ways!!
YARR MATEY!!
Originally posted by Brad
That's identical to Panther's finder except that it's Aqua instead of brushed metal and the separated back/forward buttons.
Its not identical! it's Aqua and a helluvalot better imo
Sure it has the sidebar, coz it has the same functions
but I wouldnt have the feeling I want to make a playlist
I see what you people mean by calling the Aqua part of
the Finder Simple Mode, if a user had only acces to Simple
Finder all windows are Aqua. (no metal) Windows work completely
different though, you can then only have ONE window open..
If you are an admin I wouldnt call it Simple Finder Mode but Multi
Window Mode coz you can have as many toolbarless windows that
you want.
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Thank you for your cooperation.
That's identical to Panther's finder except that it's Aqua instead of brushed metal and the separated back/forward buttons
Just being a smarta___ but, what does identical mean ? Is that like twins where one is identical and the other is not ?
Anyway, thanks for all the great panther stuff.
I believe what John wants (speak of the devil!) is a return of spatial navigation in the Finder -- as the central, even primary, means of file navigation in OS X.
How much (or whether) the Spatial Finder is used should be up to the individual user.
Obviously, I will comment on the Finder as it exists in the final release version of Panther. But there's little sense in picking apart reports of developer builds, IMO, since I'd just be making more work for myself
In the meantime, I think anyone who really cares how "pre-release Finder build XYZ" compares with my proposal has the information required to make such a comparison. Maybe I'll post some clarifications later, but answering specific questions would be easier than rewriting the whole article (which you've all read, of course... ;-)
SYN wrote:
It's .zip, it hangs the Finder on large files, and it doesn't support resource forks.
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
Originally posted by John
Obviously, I will comment on the Finder as it exists in the final release version of Panther. But there's little sense in picking apart reports of developer builds, IMO, since I'd just be making more work for myself
That seems fair. In case you have insanely great ideas, Apple will have the chance to implement then to your liking AFTER the development phase is done? Great plan!
Originally posted by Reid Ellis
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
i'm both impressed by your use of color for BE OS and saddened that u took the time to do that haha
ast3r3x wrote:
i'm both impressed by your use of color for BE OS and saddened that u took the time to do that haha
It was easy thanks to the wonder of vB Code.
a few questions on ical 1.5 if you don't mind...
1) have any networking functions (i.e. calendar sharing) been activated?
2) is there an option to set a reminder for tasks?
thanks
badlydrawnboy
Originally posted by inkhead
iCal 1.5 is a nice update. No more stupid panel that pops up to ad new events. Just edit it right in the window. Right click works everywhere. And a slide drawer (similar to mail) lets you store notes and all the settings for events (new inspector)
Ohh. and it's much faster ;-)
if somebody has a dummy account they can setup on an exchange server or something of the likes I will be more than happy to test it out for you.
That seems fair. In case you have insanely great ideas, Apple will have the chance to implement then to your liking AFTER the development phase is done? Great plan!
My "insanely great ideas" for the Finder were in an article published before Panther DP was released.
Re: iCal
Can you now visually split the same event across days or parts of a single day? That is, start on Monday, skip Tuesday, finish Wednesday. OR, Start and 9:00 a.m., stop at 11:00 a.m., continue and finish from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m?
Until iCal can visually do things like this without forcing users to create multiple instances of the same event, it will be [difficult for many business types to use it effectively].
When you have multiple "locations" for your network settings ....
In Jaguar :
If you have an icon in the menubar for your "dial-up" connection, that icon still stays there when you switch to a different location that doesn't require that icon being there [thus, taking up space that's un-needed].
Is this behavior different in panther? or still the same?
I have about 5-6 different location settings (thanks to my powerbook's mobility for that
Thanks to everyone for the great info!
Cheers,
John
Originally posted by panicX
better Finder look/layout imo
http://homepage.mac.com/littlestar/no_icons.jpg
My one peeve is.. well, two actually.
1. I don't like all the wasted space on the border there. Tell me that it is possible to have multiple versions of these windows open? If so, it's just a waste of space. Even if it was only 3 pixels thick instead of.. what looks like 8 or so.
2. I wanna remove just the Sidebar, or just the Toolbar. I want the option to have the toolbar available but not open in the same window. Or at the very least, cram a Search box in the Status bar so I can at least use that. I hate having to toggle the toolbar now to search from the current location. I do this all the time.
3. Ok, so there's three. Sosumi! Anyway, I would prefer if instead of that side bar Apple made it into a sort of "Dock" that lives on the side or bottom of the screen and appears when you start dragging a file. Not only would it take less room, but it'd be damn cool. And it'd have all the volumes listed as well as being customizable like the Dock. But I'll see when it comes out.
Originally posted by Reid Ellis
Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)
I don't MIND the Zip format, but the way I've always been able to tell when a file is usable on my Mac and not some Windows specific file/application compressed is by the extension. If it was a SIT or HQX I'd know, KNOW that it would work on my iMac and I didn't need to fear. Now it's just gonna get more confusing.
Originally posted by johnpg
I'd love to see some iCal screenshots. Can one of you post some?
Thanks to everyone for the great info!
Cheers,
John
I too would like to see iCal if it's been changed at all. I use it all the time as sort of a Journal. Also so I know my work schedule. And since I'm in there all the time, I might as well see what is coming soon.
My friend was gonna "acquire" me a copy of 10.3, but it was probably an older one. Now I don't know if I even wanna bother with what looks to be completely outdated now.
All I ask of Apple is a DATE! And I don't mean December 31st.
Originally posted by Jasoco
My one peeve is.. well, two actually.
1. I don't like all the wasted space on the border there. Tell me that it is possible to have multiple versions of these windows open? If so, it's just a waste of space. Even if it was only 3 pixels thick instead of.. what looks like 8 or so.
its just a mockup, just an idear to show how the same 10.3 Finder
with the same functions as the original brushed 10.3 Finder would
look if it had an Aqua interface
Its basically the same darn application only with (much better imo)
an Aqua interface. So it can have searchbox etc, whatever you want.
The real 10.3 Finder has this extra space too, needs it to separate
the sidebar. I agree it could be a lot thinner, but that is up to Apple.