FINAL MWSF Predictions: The writing on the wall
NOTE, 1/5/02: This thread was created before the Apple.com slogans began. Upon further thought on the matter, it's possible that all the slogans point to a very fast machine that's capable of winning a bake-off with a PC. It's been done before, so that's nothing new, BUT Big Daddy S.J. said Apple would be *closing* the Mhz gap. This implies that Apples will soon match the Mhz of PC's. All things considered, I believe that Apple and Motorola aren't ready to release a G5, or ANY chip that can get to 2.2Ghz. All that said, my original predictions stand, slightly modified.
It's probably reasonable to assume that nothing else will be released or updated until MWSF now. After the recent update to the TiBook, miscellaneous rumors and articles, FCP 3 being released, etc., what are your final predictions?
Mods: Please lock this thread shortly before the keynote.
The Rules:
-- 1) Write only your thoughts on what you REALLY think will be released, updated, etc. IOW, serious predictions.
-- 2) Please only one post per user. Edit your post if your predictions change.
-- 3) No arguing or replying in rebuttal or support of someone else's prediction. This thread is not for discussion (goodness knows there's enough of those already), but predictions only.
-- 4) Please be fairly detailed. Don't just say "LCD iMacs and G5's," and leave it at that. Make your best prediction of basic specs.
My Predictions:
Steve walks out: "2001 was a great year. I'd even venture to say that it was the best year Apple has ever had. We released OS X AND X.1, two amazing portable computers, Final Cut Pro 3, yadda yadda yadda. Now we're looking to the future, and we believe that we've promoted this event as something worthy of what we're going to show you this morning. In fact, we were so excited about what we're releasing at this Expo, that we wanted to bring it to you a day earlier. So let's get started..."
Preview OS X.2 available early March.
Tout OfflineRT in FCP 3, demo FCP 3
Release & demo iMovie 3
-- OfflineRT, Better audio editing, in/out points, etc.
-- Available for $29.99 or free in new machines.
(But what ARE the new machines, Steve?)
Introduce new PowerMac Apollo G4's:
867Mhz/256MB DDR/60GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$1699
1.1Ghz/256MB DDR/80GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2299
1.3Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2899
Dual 1.1Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$3499
Steve: "These machines are FAST! And to demonstrate, we have [fill in the blank] from Adobe with a demonstration."
-- Mac to PC bake off
-- Preview of Photoshop X.
Steve: "Although a lot of software is now native in OS X, there's still more that you want. Today, we have some new key programs for you to use natively in OS X."
-- Intros Macromedia guy with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X.
-- Probably a couple other companies.
Steve: "So we've updated the PowerMac G4. I bet your wondering about our displays."
Price drops:
15" now $499
17" now $799
22" now $1999
Steve: "So all of our computers have LCD's across the line -- except iMac. Today we're going to change that. Since it's release in 1998, iMac has had the same basic form factor, and it's served millions of schools and home users very well. With the advent of the LCD display, we wanted to redo the iMac, and that's what we have to show you today. Introducing iMac LCD:" Now with Sahara processor.
600Mhz/128MB/40GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1099
700Mhz/256MB/60GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1399
800Mhz/256MB/80GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1599
-- Other features: 15lbs., 1foot square footprint, Indigo/Snow/Crystal colors
Steve: "So we've updated the Power Mac, iMac, previewed OS X.2, released iMovie 3, and dropped our display prices. You would think there's nothing left. But...we have ONE MORE THING. Presenting:
The "iPod Camera" & iPhoto software
Camera: Based on same architecture of "iPod MP3", 3 Megapixel camera, 1.5in. LCD screen. Can ALSO play MP3's, and connects to iPod MP3 for extended storage. $499.
Software: Simple image editing incl. red-eye-reduction, titles, cropping, rotating, color correction, brightness/contrast, yadda yadda. Avail. on new Macs and free from Apple web site.
I know I'm off on some of the specs for the camera, IF it even is coming.
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>
It's probably reasonable to assume that nothing else will be released or updated until MWSF now. After the recent update to the TiBook, miscellaneous rumors and articles, FCP 3 being released, etc., what are your final predictions?
Mods: Please lock this thread shortly before the keynote.
The Rules:
-- 1) Write only your thoughts on what you REALLY think will be released, updated, etc. IOW, serious predictions.
-- 2) Please only one post per user. Edit your post if your predictions change.
-- 3) No arguing or replying in rebuttal or support of someone else's prediction. This thread is not for discussion (goodness knows there's enough of those already), but predictions only.
-- 4) Please be fairly detailed. Don't just say "LCD iMacs and G5's," and leave it at that. Make your best prediction of basic specs.
My Predictions:
Steve walks out: "2001 was a great year. I'd even venture to say that it was the best year Apple has ever had. We released OS X AND X.1, two amazing portable computers, Final Cut Pro 3, yadda yadda yadda. Now we're looking to the future, and we believe that we've promoted this event as something worthy of what we're going to show you this morning. In fact, we were so excited about what we're releasing at this Expo, that we wanted to bring it to you a day earlier. So let's get started..."
Preview OS X.2 available early March.
Tout OfflineRT in FCP 3, demo FCP 3
Release & demo iMovie 3
-- OfflineRT, Better audio editing, in/out points, etc.
-- Available for $29.99 or free in new machines.
(But what ARE the new machines, Steve?)
Introduce new PowerMac Apollo G4's:
867Mhz/256MB DDR/60GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$1699
1.1Ghz/256MB DDR/80GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2299
1.3Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2899
Dual 1.1Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$3499
Steve: "These machines are FAST! And to demonstrate, we have [fill in the blank] from Adobe with a demonstration."
-- Mac to PC bake off
-- Preview of Photoshop X.
Steve: "Although a lot of software is now native in OS X, there's still more that you want. Today, we have some new key programs for you to use natively in OS X."
-- Intros Macromedia guy with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X.
-- Probably a couple other companies.
Steve: "So we've updated the PowerMac G4. I bet your wondering about our displays."
Price drops:
15" now $499
17" now $799
22" now $1999
Steve: "So all of our computers have LCD's across the line -- except iMac. Today we're going to change that. Since it's release in 1998, iMac has had the same basic form factor, and it's served millions of schools and home users very well. With the advent of the LCD display, we wanted to redo the iMac, and that's what we have to show you today. Introducing iMac LCD:" Now with Sahara processor.
600Mhz/128MB/40GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1099
700Mhz/256MB/60GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1399
800Mhz/256MB/80GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1599
-- Other features: 15lbs., 1foot square footprint, Indigo/Snow/Crystal colors
Steve: "So we've updated the Power Mac, iMac, previewed OS X.2, released iMovie 3, and dropped our display prices. You would think there's nothing left. But...we have ONE MORE THING. Presenting:
The "iPod Camera" & iPhoto software
Camera: Based on same architecture of "iPod MP3", 3 Megapixel camera, 1.5in. LCD screen. Can ALSO play MP3's, and connects to iPod MP3 for extended storage. $499.
Software: Simple image editing incl. red-eye-reduction, titles, cropping, rotating, color correction, brightness/contrast, yadda yadda. Avail. on new Macs and free from Apple web site.
I know I'm off on some of the specs for the camera, IF it even is coming.
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>
Comments
Processor: 7460
Speed: 867Mhz, 933Ghz, 1Ghz, Dual 933Mhz
RAM type / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz
RAM installed: 256/ 256/ 512/512
Optical Drive: CD-RW / SuperDrive / SuperDrive
Video : 4X AGP with the same old **** GeForce 2MX across the board
Case: Same as QS
Price: 1999,2499, 2999, 3599 <---Yeah...Apple wants to rip off their customer again.
Running Photoshop. A 1Ghz G4 is 20% faster than 2Ghz P4
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iMac
Processor: New IBM Sahara processor
Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz
RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz
RAM installed: 128/128/256/ 256
Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo
Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM
Case: New case with 14" LCD for the others
Price: 999 / 1199 / 1399 / 1599
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iBook
No change until after Spring Break
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On the software side......
OSX 10.2 preview
OS 9.2.2
Adobe demostrates Photoshop 7
ps. I DO hope we would see G5
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
G4s-same case (needs sound input come on)
866,933,1000 all get some kind of cheaper GF3
imacs-???case GF2mx
733,800,866 or 700,800,900 if no new board
ibook
600,700
ti book
667,800
who knows they need a lot
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: bernard ]</p>
MWSF will be a huge let down even worst than the MWNY 2001..
Here is what I expect
933
1.3
1.1 dual
All based on an Appolo
At last, a new case with two full size front bay (Quicksilver IS NOT a new case but just a slight design change)
DDR 266
ultra ata 100 or better
and a new kind of tranfer technology between the CPU and the motherboard
The GeForce 3 ti 500 as a built to order
I know that we have to be realistic but the cofigarations stated above are very depressing don't you think so guys?
Powermacs in a new case and G5 processors. New case will have two optical drives. The new 10.2 disk burner has a disk copy function which is usless if there aren't two optical drives. 1.2,1.4,1.6ghz
Ti and iBooks to get speed bump, but nothing else.
I have no idea about prices.
1. G4 Apollo Powermacs"
Speeds of 933, 1 GHZ, 1.1 GHZ
Dualies on the 1 GHZ
HD's - 60, 100, 80
Optical - combo, super, super
Ram - 256, 512, 256
ATI Radeon 8500 across the board!
Also, faster bus, DDR ram, Firewire 2
Same case basically
Price: 1699, 3499 (Dual 1 GHZ), 2499
2. LCD iMacs
15" LCD on all models
Speeds of 700, 800, 900 G4's!
HD's - 30, 40, 60
Optical - CDR/W, Combo, Combo
Ram - 256, 256, 512
ATI Radeon 7500 across the board!
Price: 1099, 1349, 1599
NO PORTABLES!
Software:
iMovie 3
iPhoto
Wildcards:
Some kind of new digital device.
THERE WILL BE NO TABLETS OF PD FREAKIN A'S AT MWSF NOR WILL THERE EVER BE!!!!
That is all!
Cobra
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]</p>
I still believe there will be a PM G5.
Configs:
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fast:
1.0 GHz G5
256 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 2MX
faster:
1.4 GHz G5
256 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500
fastest:
dual 1.2 Ghz G5
512 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500
I'd expect:
G4 867/933 (x6.5/x7.0)
G4 1.2ghz (x9.0)
DP G4 1064 (x8.0)
Everything gets bumped a good 200-300mhz, and I am happy
Let the G5's roll out in July. Frankly, July fits me best, as rev B's in Jan - I'll be in the market for a powermac then! Rev B G5
[quote]Apple Macintosh breaks the gigahertz barrier across the board with the introduction of a new class of powerful processors. Lead by the release of the Motorola G5 in it's PowerMac line starting at 1 GHz in the base model.
The new Macintosh drops the "i" and is simply called the "Mac", it features a design that morphs the iBook onto the back of the 15" Studio Display. Powered by the Motorola "Apollo" chip, also at 1 GHz.
In the portable line Apple has upped the iBook to a Ghz by using IBM's "Sahara" chip. The TiBook joins the GHz club with the same "Apollo" chip used in the new Mac.
In a stunning "One More Thing" Steve Jobs unveiled a new class of Apple device, the Mac Pad, a "Remote Desktop" Tablet like device that uses AirPort to communicate with, and control, any nearby AirPort equipped Macintosh. Using Gigawire, the next generation IEEE 1394 specification the includes wireless transmission over AirPort cards the Mac Pad is able to display anything the host macintosh can display including DVD movies and streaming content.<hr></blockquote>
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Aphelion ]</p>
PowerMac
G4 933 MHz/256 MB DDR RAM/60 GB HD - $1,699
G5 1.2 GHz/256 MB DDR RAM/80 GB HD - $2,399
G5 1.4 GHz/512 MB DDR RAM/100 GB HD - $2,999
*** All with the next version of Firewire, new PowerMac tower case, and SuperDrive standard across the line.
iMac - $1,099 & $1,299
Basic Specs:
15 inch LCD
PowerPC G4 Processor at 800 MHz
256 MB MB PC133 RAM
40 GB HD
Also new version of Firewire
Higher end model will have larger hard drive and more memory, plus Combo Drive (not SuperDrive)
Also, the new Mac Tablet.
10.2-inch screen with Stylus and Handwriting Recognition
1-inch thick
OS X 10.1.2
USB
FireWire
15 GB HD
Airport
128 MB RAM
PowerPC G3 processor at 900 MHz
Gigawire (for screen sharing with another Mac OS Client or Server)
$799
Speeds: 867Mhz, 933Ghz, 1Ghz, Dual 933Mhz
RAM/ mobo: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz
RAM: 512 across line
HD: larger
Optical Drives: SuperDrive across line
Video : same video card
Case: Same case as QuickSilver
Price: same prices
(shipping delays on 1Ghz and 933 duals)
iMac
Speeds: 700Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz
Bus: 100 Mhz bus
RAM: 128/128/256/ 256
HD: 40, 60, 70, 80
Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo
Video: Ati Radeon 16MB/ 32 MB high-end
Case: new case except for low-end
Screens: 15" CRT/ 14" LCD/ 14"LCD/ 15" LCD
Prices: 799 / 1199 / 1399 / 1599
Software
OS X 10.2 preview
photoshopX preview with shootout
AppleWorks 7.0
iMovie 3.0
iTunes 3.0
One Last Thing Not sure what it could be.
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>
1.2GHZ
256MB
60GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
$1699
1.4GHZ
512MB
80GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
$2499
1.6 GHZ
512MB
80GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
Airport Standard
$2999
Dual 1.4GHZ
1GB
100GB
266DDR
SuperDrive
Airport Standard
$3499
15" LCD iMac
Apollo G4@1GHZ
40GB
CD-RW
128MB
$899
G4@1GHZ
60GB
CD-RW
256MB
$1099
G4@1GHZ
60GB
SuperDrive
256MB
$1399
ibook: Same until MWTO (then speed bump)
PB: same as ibook (then speed bump)
New Product: I really have no idea on this one. The Mac Tablet sounds cool.
Software:
Announce Photoshop for OSX progress and reason for delay (being threaded for MP?)
OSX: Sales, progress, "really happy about it", "we have listened to your feeback". Some lame demo stuff....
FCP3 Demo
iMovie updated possibly...but not iMovie 3...
So, most time spent of iMac and PMG5. I know some will say a G5 is wishful thinking...but seriously, folks....this is what Apple should be building. All the components are there....the motherboard, the drives, the RAM. They just need that G5 class PPC. There is no reason on the face of this earth that Apple shouldn't be building products like above. You may think those specs are nuts....but for what Apple charges that is what they should have in them. I would also be OK with Apollo G4's at 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4, with G3's in the iMacs except for the top model. But Apple needs better components and faster processors right now. I'm tired of making excuses. 1.4 or 1.6GHZ will put Apple REALLY CLOSE to AMD (I don't give a damn how fast that POS Pentium is!).
I won't buy unless G5's come out. One reason is that if not this MW, then definitely in July. These specs are totally possible, and they are what is needed to even be competitive...much less ground-breaking.
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
PowerMac-
933mhz, 1ghz, 1.2ghz, Dual 1ghz Apollo
128mb, 256mb, 256mb, 512mb
60gb, 80gb, 90gb, 90gb
Gforce2 on 933 and 1ghz, Radeon 8500 on highend
GigaWire ports
CDRW, Combo, Superdrive, SuperDrive
$1499, $1699, $2499, $3000
iMacs
800mhz, 900mhz, 1ghz Sahara G3
15in LCD , 800mhz CRT
128, 256, 256mb
40, 60, 80gb
Ati Radeon 32mb, 16mb on 800 and 900
CDRW, Combo, Combo
$899 $1199, $1399
iPod
10gb model, price cuts.
iCam
Beats me....
ibook
No change
PowerBook
No change
Software
Photoshop X
Dreamweaver X
iPhot editing software
DDR Ram - New Improved Superdrive(faster better stronger) - Will have Choice of ATI or nVidia cards - Gigawire -
New 19" Studio Display - elimination of 15" model
New iPodesque FireWire Digital Camera - OR maybe even DV Cam
iMac will be ELIMINATED FOREVER!! MUUHAHAHHAHAHAH
Processor: G5
Speed: 933Mhz, 1.2Ghz, 1.4 Ghz Dual.
RAM kind / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz
RAM 256/ 256/ 512/512
Optical Drive: All Superdrive.
Video : 4X AGP with GeForce 2MX in lower two models and geforce 3 in high end.
Case: New.
Price: $1,999,$2,499, $3,499
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iMac
Processor: G4
Speed: 500, 667, 733
RAM kind / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz
RAM: 128/128/256
Optical Drive: CD-RW / Combo/ Superdrive
Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM, upgradeable to Geforce 2
Case: New case with 15" LCD f
Price: $999 / $1,399/$1,599
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iBook
Processor: G3
Speed: 600,700,700,700
Ram: 128 MB acrosss the line.
Optical Drives: CD-Rom/ DVD/ CD-RW/Combo.
Video: Geforce 2 Go in DVD models and up/ Rage Mobility in low end.
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New Digital Device
1.2 GHz / 256 DDR RAM / Combo / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200
1.4 GHz / 512 DDR RAM / SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200
Dual 1.0 GHz / 512 DDR RAM / SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200
iMac G5 LCD
1.0 GHz / 256 DDR RAM / Choice of drive: DVD-Combo-SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce2 MX
Apple Studio LCD 17" / 19" / 22"
And One More Thing?
Tablet - iPad G4 (Apollo)
733 MHz / 128 SDRAM / Gigawire / ATI rage Mobility
or
iPhoto with iCamera (iPod Style)
FireWire - 5 Gb HD
[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: jeromba ]</p>
- No G5
- GHz-busting G4s in 933, and two other above-1GHz models
- Possible dual-processor option on one or all models?
- 256MB RAM in all models
- No hard drives less than 40GB
- SuperDrive on all models
iMac
- 800-900MHz G3
- 15" LCD (1024x768)
- Combo drive, at least as an option
- better video card than currently used
- 128 and 256MB RAM
- Will be like the iBook and have one processor speed and the line be differentiated by choice of optical drive
- No hard drives less than 40GB
- Glossy white enclosure...really cool-looking and SMALL. Smaller and thinner than anything predicted/mocked-up so far. It'll be a breath-taker. That'll be the "hook"...how small and thin it is. We'll be like "HOW in the hell did they fit all that crap in there?" because it'll look NOTHING like anything we've imagined. It'll be a small engineering marvel.
iBook
8x combo drive bump
Titanium PowerBook
No changes
AppleScript Studio
Or whatever it was called. That thing demonstrated back in July that you can build apps with and all and automate processes.
New iApp dealing with digital photography
What iMovie and iTunes are to digital video and music, this new iApp is a cool, easy-to-use, intuitive basic photo editor and nice little addition to the whole "digital hub" strategy. Removes red-eyes, crops, retouches, rotates, add type to photos, borders, etc. Consumer-level "fun" photo editing for all these new post-Christmas digital camera owners
Apple display price cuts
15" now $499, 17" now $799, 22" Cinema Display now $1999
"Oh yeah, one more thing..."
I can't even imagine, but it'll be something totally out of left field, BUT something that we'll all go "of course! How come nobody's thought of that yet! AWESOME!". Some sort of non-Mac digital device, I'm sure. Beyond that, I have no clue.
G4 'Apollo' 1/1.2 (Duel)/1.4 Ghz
266Mhz DDR,ATA-133
Ati Radeon 8500/NVIDA GeForce 3 Ti
DVD/CD-RW standard (Super Drive optional)
1699/3199/2499
iMac
G3 'Sahara' 800/900/1000 Mhz
133 Mhz SDRAM
NVIDA GeForce 2 MX
CD-RW Standard(Optional DVD/CD-RW)
799/999/1199
iBook/TiBook
No Changes
iPod-addons (maybe Mic or Remote or 'Gigawire'?)
Maybe new Digital Hub Product (Something with Wireless Communication maybe)
New Displays-same sizes, new look (maybe a 19 in.)
G5 in April
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Ifok5 ]</p>
900Mhz/1.2Ghz/1.5Ghz
256/512/512MB (DDR300)
Gigawire (s.th.Wireless Technology)
2xFirewire (if Gigawire isn't the wireless Firewire - else just 1 Firewire for older equipment)
2xUSB
New Case (Metal Look)
New Mouse (Metal Look)
Pro-Keyboard (Metal Look)
GeForce3MX and optional better ones
3PCI
4xAGP
60/80/100GB ultra ATA/133
Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Processor optional on each Model
Superdrive
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iMac
TFT 15"
G4 at 733/800/867 Mhz
128/128/256MB (PC133)
40/40/60GB Ultra ATA/100
2USB
2Firewire
Gigabit Ethernet
New Look (metal)
same New Mouse & Pro-Keyboard as G5 Tower
(touch screen or handwriting recognition -
Display can be used horizontal or vertical)
CD-RW/CD-RW/Superdrive
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iBook speed bump
TiBook speed bump
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OS 9.2.3
X still 10.1.2
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iPod update (new functionality and optional things)
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New TFT-Displays at 15",17",19" and Cinema Display at 23" or 24"
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just my thoughts
greets,
krassy
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Krassy ]</p>
933 Apollo
1200 Apollo
dual 1.13 Apollo
266mhz ddr
iMac
700 mhz G3 CRT
800 mhz G3 LCD
800 mhz Apollo+Superdrive+LCD
iBook+Powerbook relatively unchanged
OSX 1.2
And one more thing...
<strong>PowerMac
Processor: G5
Speed: 933Mhz, 1.2Ghz, 1.4 Ghz Dual.
RAM kind / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz
RAM 256/ 256/ 512/512
Optical Drive: All Superdrive.
Video : 4X AGP with GeForce 2MX in lower two models and geforce 3 in high end.
Case: New.
Price: $1,999,$2,499, $3,499
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If the Dual 1.4Ghz G5 is with these spec and price I will ditch my DP 500G4 for it without second thought