This is my run of the Keynote. After the usual comments about iPod sales, iBook sales, and the feature bump on the powerbooks, His Steveness discusses the history of the iMac and its need for an evolution:
iMac II
1ghz G4 Apollo
133 mhz bus
256 MB Ram
Geforce 2 (integrated)
15.1 LCD
Improved sound system (5.1 & built in Sub?)
DVD, Combo, Superdrive
Then His Steveness Discusses some new software to be bundled with the iMac II
OS X 10.2
Appleworks 7 (rebranded?)
iMovie 3
iPicture
Quicktime 6 and Mpeg 4
He demos an expanded iDisk, iTools, iCards, iPhotos, iDream, iTunes, etc.
Then...Steve sets the tone by
pausing...
pausing...
pausing...
and then in the most serious and chilling tone states that it is now time to "unleash the hounds".
"We've got some news for the industry...Think... Powerful!"
Powermac G5
1.2, 1.6, 1.4 Dual 64 bit
256, 512, 1 GB DDR Ram
Geforce 3 Stock
Combo, Superdrive, Superdrive
"and one more thing...OS X Server has found a new home"
Powermac G5 Rack Server
1.4 Dual 64 bit
2 GB DDR Ram
"The hub that keeps your world turning"
(no iBook or Powerbook updates, though perhaps a drop in price on the iPod)
I think the G5 would sport a totaly new case to seperate it from the G4's and QS's. Not to mention the compliants about the QS case and that it's ugly.
No, a totaly new Titanium/Metal case for the G5. It burns and toasts Pentium/Athlons so it needs to be metal
OK, my own thoughts on what may be coming, and how.
I'm not really bothered by any updated/new iMac, I'm sure it will be gorgeous and impressive, but I want maximum processing power, and already have several displays. There may be new digital devices, but I would just be guessing wildly.
PowerMacs: I believe the G5 will debut, in a new case. The new case is, I suspect, a necessity, because the G5 will generate a lot of heat, it is fast and massive, and will readily scale to 4 processor boxes, and might be able to go higher. That also means a new power supply in the box.
Together with recent improvements in emulation techniques, it may be possible for Steve to do a photoshop bake-off showing the new machine beating a 2GHz P4 beast, and then say that it was running windows photoshop under emulation, natively it blows it away. This may be a dual processor machine, as I suspect one processor translating, one executing, could lead to huge speed improvements in emulation.
New on the display front, a choice of a detachable display, which works as a normal display when connected to the computer, but switches to an airport link when detached. When detached, the display will be suitable for general purpose programmes, web surfing etc., but will not be able to do games, full-screen video and such like. The screen will also be a touch-screen for input, with handwriting recognition and gestures, but also a wireless keyboard for more serious work.
Possibly, the screen can act as a very basic computer when completely isolated from the main computer, but is not, of itself, a PDA. The screen is optional becaused it will add considerably to the cost, but I have always wanted to be able to sit confortably in an armchair and use a powerful computer, so I would pay for it.
iWalk notwithstanding, I predict HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT! on nearly every hardware front. Perhaps some significant iApps will appear, but in general people will be let down by expectations of Apple's own creation. This time they did it, not us. Rumors were actually relatively sedate until a few days ago. And it's gonna hurt them, and their stock. If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.
<strong> [SNIP] If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple itself has inflated expectations by an order of magnitude; as you state, only Apple is to blame if the company fails to deliver. However, I remain optimistic, for the key reason that the reference points we have suggest that Apple will deliver. As another pointed out, Apple has generated similar hype only at key product introductions. Whatever Apple has for us, the company believes that this is a major event, one set apart from most every other keynote. It has to be big. Of course, on the other hand, Apple hasn't always been on the ball with its product intros: BD and FP iMacs, overpriced Cubes, lack of CD-RW options for an extended period are the major ones to come to mind. Nevertheless, Apple's betting it has something great, and I don't want to bet against SJ. . .
People keeps thinking that "Goldfish" is the nickname for the G5 - it is not- it is the nickname for the Apollo. Get ready to be disapointed. Apple's idea of great is nobody elses!
<strong>People keeps thinking that "Goldfish" is the nickname for the G5 - it is not- it is the nickname for the Apollo. Get ready to be disapointed. Apple's idea of great is nobody elses!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.
No G5 this time, G4 Apollo up to 1GHz (but not much faster), LCD iMacs with only slightly faster G3s. The i and PowerBooks are not touched, maybe for Tokyo.
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is ).
<strong>No G5 this time, G4 Apollo up to 1GHz (but not much faster), LCD iMacs with only slightly faster G3s. The i and PowerBooks are not touched, maybe for Tokyo.
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is ).
I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.
-S</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think this is especially appropriate if we get a new mobo that can drive the processors to their limits, i.e. ddr ram, ata-100 or > etc. I for one would be very happy with multicore G4's and new mobo technologies.
<strong>IBM "sahara" (4stage 512L2 256bit ) is likey to BLOW past G4 7450's at similar clock speeds, in non Altivec stuff (not that there is much) should do alot for notebooks less power and way more speed. if G4's haven't scaled well? we may not see em for a while. whatever it is it better be good.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
For starters, the IBM PowerPC 750 FX, aka Sahara, has 5 stages.
It's larger L2 cache, wider internal bus, faster front side bus and additional registers are said to provide a 25% boost in performance over other G3 chips.
I wouldn't expect it to "blow" past the G4s though, even for non altivec jobs. The PowerPCs may have 2 additional instruction pipeline stages (7 vs 5), but the G4s (in the form of the 7450) also have additional Int and Altivec units. The G4's already had a better FP unit, etc. I would expect a little more parity in performance than anything else for non-altivec tasks.
Comments
G5 64bit processor:
dual core, 512KB L2 shared cache, 400MHz RapidIO bus
built-in memory controller for DDR333 or DDR266 SDRAM
1.2, 1.4, 1.6GHz speeds
256MB RAM; 16GB maximum; 4 slots.
4 PCI-X slots; 1 AGP 8X slot
Gb Ethernet; built-in airport 2
3.2Gb Firewire; one optical port, 2 standard.
All new case.
iMac
1GHz G4 all models
15.2" LCD with nVidia GeForce 3MX graphics
256MB PC133 SDRAM; 1.5GB max; 3 slots
Built-in airport.
3.2Gb Firewire; one optical port, 2 standard.
All new case.
iBook
1GHz G3 all models
256MB PC100 SDRAM
PowerBook
1GHz G4 all models
256MB PC133 SDRAM
Cinema Displays
17", 19", 24"
New cases.
iSlave
Your own robotic slave.
G5 at 1.6GHz
16GB or RAM with 200GB long term storage.
iMac II
1ghz G4 Apollo
133 mhz bus
256 MB Ram
Geforce 2 (integrated)
15.1 LCD
Improved sound system (5.1 & built in Sub?)
DVD, Combo, Superdrive
Then His Steveness Discusses some new software to be bundled with the iMac II
OS X 10.2
Appleworks 7 (rebranded?)
iMovie 3
iPicture
Quicktime 6 and Mpeg 4
He demos an expanded iDisk, iTools, iCards, iPhotos, iDream, iTunes, etc.
Then...Steve sets the tone by
pausing...
pausing...
pausing...
and then in the most serious and chilling tone states that it is now time to "unleash the hounds".
"We've got some news for the industry...Think... Powerful!"
Powermac G5
1.2, 1.6, 1.4 Dual 64 bit
256, 512, 1 GB DDR Ram
Geforce 3 Stock
Combo, Superdrive, Superdrive
"and one more thing...OS X Server has found a new home"
Powermac G5 Rack Server
1.4 Dual 64 bit
2 GB DDR Ram
"The hub that keeps your world turning"
(no iBook or Powerbook updates, though perhaps a drop in price on the iPod)
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: thesilent ]</p>
1.0, 1.2, 1.4, dual 1.2
Same case, new color scheme, maybe some minor changes.
DDR RAM, fast bus (not 400 MHz, but fast).
LCD iMac
G4, 933, 1.066, 1.133
133 MHz bus
Lame-ass video card.
Display choice:
Display will "snap" on, connected to an ADC port+swivel arrangement. Two different sized LCD displays will be available.
This also is key, because as LCD prices drop, Apple can quickly update the screen size of the iMac with little development cost.
No changes to laptop lines.
Some new product, but I've got no idea what.
Not a PDA or a Newton II.
Not an iPhone.
Not a pager.
Not a camera.
New iPhoto.
?
No, a totaly new Titanium/Metal case for the G5. It burns and toasts Pentium/Athlons so it needs to be metal
I'm not really bothered by any updated/new iMac, I'm sure it will be gorgeous and impressive, but I want maximum processing power, and already have several displays. There may be new digital devices, but I would just be guessing wildly.
PowerMacs: I believe the G5 will debut, in a new case. The new case is, I suspect, a necessity, because the G5 will generate a lot of heat, it is fast and massive, and will readily scale to 4 processor boxes, and might be able to go higher. That also means a new power supply in the box.
Together with recent improvements in emulation techniques, it may be possible for Steve to do a photoshop bake-off showing the new machine beating a 2GHz P4 beast, and then say that it was running windows photoshop under emulation, natively it blows it away. This may be a dual processor machine, as I suspect one processor translating, one executing, could lead to huge speed improvements in emulation.
New on the display front, a choice of a detachable display, which works as a normal display when connected to the computer, but switches to an airport link when detached. When detached, the display will be suitable for general purpose programmes, web surfing etc., but will not be able to do games, full-screen video and such like. The screen will also be a touch-screen for input, with handwriting recognition and gestures, but also a wireless keyboard for more serious work.
Possibly, the screen can act as a very basic computer when completely isolated from the main computer, but is not, of itself, a PDA. The screen is optional becaused it will add considerably to the cost, but I have always wanted to be able to sit confortably in an armchair and use a powerful computer, so I would pay for it.
My 2 Eurocents worth
Michael
<strong>And long life to the Euro !!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you care? Well okay then
<strong> [SNIP] If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple itself has inflated expectations by an order of magnitude; as you state, only Apple is to blame if the company fails to deliver. However, I remain optimistic, for the key reason that the reference points we have suggest that Apple will deliver. As another pointed out, Apple has generated similar hype only at key product introductions. Whatever Apple has for us, the company believes that this is a major event, one set apart from most every other keynote. It has to be big. Of course, on the other hand, Apple hasn't always been on the ball with its product intros: BD and FP iMacs, overpriced Cubes, lack of CD-RW options for an extended period are the major ones to come to mind. Nevertheless, Apple's betting it has something great, and I don't want to bet against SJ. . .
<strong>People keeps thinking that "Goldfish" is the nickname for the G5 - it is not- it is the nickname for the Apollo. Get ready to be disapointed. Apple's idea of great is nobody elses!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.
-S
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is
bye.
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</p>
<strong>No G5 this time, G4 Apollo up to 1GHz (but not much faster), LCD iMacs with only slightly faster G3s. The i and PowerBooks are not touched, maybe for Tokyo.
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is
bye.
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds like you just read MacMinute or something. That information is not accurate
<strong>
I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.
-S</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think this is especially appropriate if we get a new mobo that can drive the processors to their limits, i.e. ddr ram, ata-100 or > etc. I for one would be very happy with multicore G4's and new mobo technologies.
<strong>Sounds like you just read MacMinute or something. That information is not accurate
actually not, I read this:
<a href="http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/oct2001/new-prod1.html"; target="_blank">http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/oc t2001/new-prod1.html</a>
and this:
<a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_322_23,00.html"; target="_blank">http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_32 2_23,00.html</a>
and came to the conclusion that 1GHz is at the top of my expectations.
Talking ´bout my hopes is a different thing though
bye.
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</p>
New LCD iMac, perhaps using Apollo
733, 800, 867 MHz
More Quicksilver Power Macs
800, 933 and 1GHz
Maybe new Radeon cards standard
Maybe all with Super Drive
(since they still can't get their shit together)
Speedbumped TiBooks
Demo of OS X v10.2, possibly with release date / time-frame.
<strong>IBM "sahara" (4stage 512L2 256bit ) is likey to BLOW past G4 7450's at similar clock speeds, in non Altivec stuff (not that there is much) should do alot for notebooks less power and way more speed. if G4's haven't scaled well? we may not see em for a while. whatever it is it better be good.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
For starters, the IBM PowerPC 750 FX, aka Sahara, has 5 stages.
It's larger L2 cache, wider internal bus, faster front side bus and additional registers are said to provide a 25% boost in performance over other G3 chips.
I wouldn't expect it to "blow" past the G4s though, even for non altivec jobs. The PowerPCs may have 2 additional instruction pipeline stages (7 vs 5), but the G4s (in the form of the 7450) also have additional Int and Altivec units. The G4's already had a better FP unit, etc. I would expect a little more parity in performance than anything else for non-altivec tasks.
Steve