They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
One thing to consider when calculating the 'leak factor':
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
AH HA! Crystal Balls are the tools of Satan! BEGONE HERETIC!
Oh. And I meant to correct my first post...that's 12 year old alterboy...
I agree with Fellowship in some ways...the whole Vatican way of things is archaic and out of sync with today's society. Much less with the mores and cultural ways of third world countries (or whatever country they wish to erase of their original cultural beliefs from, etc.). Religion of any kind is there for those who want it. I don't NEED it. I'll find spirituality my own way. I haven't found God because I never knew GOD was lost.
As far as topic is concerned. I use condoms...I'm still here. So are my partners. Done. Just practice safer sex. It is too dangerous out there...anywhere. And screw the religious whacks that have other explainations/reasons for not ever using it. They don't have a clue what sex is about. At least with consenting adults...
They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
One thing to consider when calculating the 'leak factor':
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
Would they actually figure this out with only fertile days? I assumed it was the average percentage of large groups of people... percentage of couples that get pregnant over a certain number of months, for example.
Some women have very different cycles, and are fertile for varying lengths of time each month...
One thing to consider when calculating the 'leak factor':
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
The answer is all 31 days. I've done substantial research on this issue.
Um, sorry, but your article doesn't say that. 4 days at best. but nowhere does it say those 4 days have 100% guarantee of pregnancy. Of course were both simplifying the truth. But the empherical evidence stands on the personal experiences of several million people successfully practicing natural family planning.
- There are absolutely *nil* days with a 100% guarantee of pregnancy. The total fertile period is from the 9th to the 20th day in a cycle, give or take a few days. That's roughly 11 days. Please be so kind to read, then understand, then respond.
- I know more than one offspring from "natural family planning". The whole concept is total bogus.
- The contraceptive performance of condoms is around 95% (not 99). That still stays at 95, because the likelyhood of a pregnancy is already factored in. The 95% is just the rate of couples using condoms where the woman did not get pregnant, it is not the rate of condoms not leaking. So your calculation is irrelevant.
They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
I think you better go back and reread the article.
Would they actually figure this out with only fertile days? I assumed it was the average percentage of large groups of people... percentage of couples that get pregnant over a certain number of months, for example.
Some women have very different cycles, and are fertile for varying lengths of time each month...
Remember that condom manufacturers want the best number they can whip up to get sales.
- There are absolutely *nil* days with a 100% guarantee of pregnancy. The total fertile period is from the 9th to the 20th day in a cycle, give or take a few days. That's roughly 11 days. Please be so kind to read, then understand, then respond.
I believe this was the point that I made to you.
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- I know more than one offspring from "natural family planning". The whole concept is total bogus.
There are many different forms of natural family planning. The method you are most likely thinking of is called the rhythm method. The Catholic church does not support that method. I forget the name of it,but it is 99.9% effective. This makes it the most effective form of birth control currently available.
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- The contraceptive performance of condoms is around 95% (not 99). That still stays at 95, because the likelyhood of a pregnancy is already factored in. The 95% is just the rate of couples using condoms where the woman did not get pregnant, it is not the rate of condoms not leaking. So your calculation is irrelevant.
Leakage doesn't guarantee pregnancy, but pregnancy does guarantee that leakage occurred. So this means that, throwing out all of my calculations, best case is there is still a 5% leakage rate. What is wrong with you people? This isn't hard shit. Use your heads.
Remember that condom manufacturers want the best number they can whip up to get sales.
and you remember, churches that don't make a stand against birth control have fewer chruchgoers the following generation.
Let's quit with the tiptoe-ing. The church is not doing this for health reasons, they are doing this as yet another method of control.
Only problem with not allowing birth control, is they are not around (especially in latin american countries) to pay for diapers, food, shelter and healthcare for all those babies born because the followers listened to the church and did not use birth control...
So peddle your "fake" science / creationism should be taught in schools bull-puckey elsewhere....
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Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
I'm a sucker for defending God.
Yes, you are.
Wait. I may have read that sentence wrong.
Do you mean you like defending him, or that defending him makes you a sucker?
Originally posted by murbot
Yes, you are.
Wait. I may have read that sentence wrong.
Do you mean you like defending him, or that defending him makes you a sucker?
Do I sense someone on the defense?
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Do I sense someone on the defense?
No, this is more like when I'm explaining something to my 2 year old and she isn't able to grasp what we're talking about.
After a while you just have to laugh at it.
Originally posted by murbot
No, this is more like when I'm explaining something to my 2 year old and she isn't able to grasp what we're we're talking about.
After a while you just have to laugh at it.
You don't understand math?
Originally posted by segovius
Don't you know what you sense ?
I'm more interested in your defense of God - does he tell you to do this or is it a kind of freelance effort ?
Does he tell you to do other things ? Do they often centre around sex ?
Hang on, I'm checking my crystal ball.
You're talking about fluid transfer during sex with an HIV infected person.
What the hell does it matter if she is fertile that day or not?
Originally posted by murbot
Guy, your equation doesn't mean jack shit.
You're talking about fluid transfer during sex with an HIV infected person.
What the hell does it matter if she is fertile that day or not?
What I would suggest is printing this discussion off and spending a couple days thinking about it.
Wear a condom, reduce your risk of AIDS.
Catholic church says that's not true.
They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Hang on, I'm checking my crystal ball.
AH HA! Crystal Balls are the tools of Satan! BEGONE HERETIC!
Oh. And I meant to correct my first post...that's 12 year old alterboy...
I agree with Fellowship in some ways...the whole Vatican way of things is archaic and out of sync with today's society. Much less with the mores and cultural ways of third world countries (or whatever country they wish to erase of their original cultural beliefs from, etc.). Religion of any kind is there for those who want it. I don't NEED it. I'll find spirituality my own way. I haven't found God because I never knew GOD was lost.
As far as topic is concerned. I use condoms...I'm still here. So are my partners. Done. Just practice safer sex. It is too dangerous out there...anywhere. And screw the religious whacks that have other explainations/reasons for not ever using it. They don't have a clue what sex is about. At least with consenting adults...
Originally posted by Harald
Too funny.
Wear a condom, reduce your risk of AIDS.
Catholic church says that's not true.
They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
defense
Originally posted by audiopollution
One thing to consider when calculating the 'leak factor':
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
Would they actually figure this out with only fertile days? I assumed it was the average percentage of large groups of people... percentage of couples that get pregnant over a certain number of months, for example.
Some women have very different cycles, and are fertile for varying lengths of time each month...
Originally posted by audiopollution
One thing to consider when calculating the 'leak factor':
Does the '99% effectiveness' of the condom against pregnancy take into account all 31 days of the month, or are they using an average number of only fertile days to come up with that percentage.
The answer is all 31 days. I've done substantial research on this issue.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
I've done substantial research on this issue.
Hope you mailed a return envelope with your research...
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Um, sorry, but your article doesn't say that. 4 days at best. but nowhere does it say those 4 days have 100% guarantee of pregnancy. Of course were both simplifying the truth. But the empherical evidence stands on the personal experiences of several million people successfully practicing natural family planning.
- There are absolutely *nil* days with a 100% guarantee of pregnancy. The total fertile period is from the 9th to the 20th day in a cycle, give or take a few days. That's roughly 11 days. Please be so kind to read, then understand, then respond.
- I know more than one offspring from "natural family planning". The whole concept is total bogus.
- The contraceptive performance of condoms is around 95% (not 99). That still stays at 95, because the likelyhood of a pregnancy is already factored in. The 95% is just the rate of couples using condoms where the woman did not get pregnant, it is not the rate of condoms not leaking. So your calculation is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Harald
Too funny.
Wear a condom, reduce your risk of AIDS.
Catholic church says that's not true.
They are either lying or about as surreally incompetent as Juke-o, who's not 'defending God' but proposing a course of action that would end many, many lives.
Dude, I don't think God wants that kind of 'defence.'
I think you better go back and reread the article.
Originally posted by murbot
Would they actually figure this out with only fertile days? I assumed it was the average percentage of large groups of people... percentage of couples that get pregnant over a certain number of months, for example.
Some women have very different cycles, and are fertile for varying lengths of time each month...
Remember that condom manufacturers want the best number they can whip up to get sales.
Originally posted by Smircle
- There are absolutely *nil* days with a 100% guarantee of pregnancy. The total fertile period is from the 9th to the 20th day in a cycle, give or take a few days. That's roughly 11 days. Please be so kind to read, then understand, then respond.
I believe this was the point that I made to you.
- I know more than one offspring from "natural family planning". The whole concept is total bogus.
There are many different forms of natural family planning. The method you are most likely thinking of is called the rhythm method. The Catholic church does not support that method. I forget the name of it,but it is 99.9% effective. This makes it the most effective form of birth control currently available.
- The contraceptive performance of condoms is around 95% (not 99). That still stays at 95, because the likelyhood of a pregnancy is already factored in. The 95% is just the rate of couples using condoms where the woman did not get pregnant, it is not the rate of condoms not leaking. So your calculation is irrelevant.
Leakage doesn't guarantee pregnancy, but pregnancy does guarantee that leakage occurred. So this means that, throwing out all of my calculations, best case is there is still a 5% leakage rate. What is wrong with you people? This isn't hard shit. Use your heads.
I've done substantial research on this issue.
I forget the name of it, but it is 99.9% effective.
heh
Remember that condom manufacturers want the best number they can whip up to get sales.
and you remember, churches that don't make a stand against birth control have fewer chruchgoers the following generation.
Let's quit with the tiptoe-ing. The church is not doing this for health reasons, they are doing this as yet another method of control.
Only problem with not allowing birth control, is they are not around (especially in latin american countries) to pay for diapers, food, shelter and healthcare for all those babies born because the followers listened to the church and did not use birth control...
So peddle your "fake" science / creationism should be taught in schools bull-puckey elsewhere....