God sees sex as the ultimate form of intimacy, to be shared with your spouse.
Did God give you a phone-call to told you this personally ? I find quite disturbing to speak at the place of god. A better sentance would have been : " according to the catholic church, god see ..."
What said the catholic church is miss-informations. Asking people to not have sex is irrelevant, it will work only for a few peoples, and will lead the others to problems by not using condoms.
A moral guideline cannot be compared to health prevention. The main goal of health prevention is to be effective. Doctors know that asking for sex abstinence will not work. Their advice is to use condoms. Condoms are not 100 % proof (nothing in the medical field is 100 % proof), but are far more reliable than nothing. Condoms are dangerous only when they breaks. Tiny holes can let pass the virus throught them, but i will not bring virus in the body, because in order to let them enter, there must be micro-wounds in the skin or mucosae of people. And condoms prevent this micro wounds to happen. No case of aids transmission dispite the use of a non broken condom have been reported.
No case of infection via surgical gloves have been reported also. If it was the case i will stop my job.
Ok. Luke's Gospel states that Herod was 'King of Judea' during the time that Qurinius was governor of Syria. We know now as an absolute fact from historical records that Herod died 10 years before Quirinius was governor and the two were not (and could not have been) contemporaries.
There are at least 5 other significant problems associated merely wioth this one statement of 'Luke', not least of which is that we know from Roman records (that are complete) that there was no taxing or census under Herod in any event. These facts are undisputed by any historian, archaeologist or academic in any institution anywhere.
The facts (that you will not face) are that the Church has no 'divine right', there is no 'apostolic succession', the Church as it stands has no connection to the original teaching of Christ and is now merely the last refuge of a medieval life-denying narrow minded clique that is nothing but a dinosaur slithering senilely into extinction.
It has in fact been sidelined by history and we should all be grateful for this latest outrage because it will only hasten the demise of this immoral, uneccessary and hidebound institution which is an offence to rational thought on any level but on the 'religious' one is nothing short of a brawling obscenity.
I would love to see some references. Are these references as openly biggoted and prone to irrational conclusions as yourself?
Did God give you a phone-call to told you this personally ? I find quite disturbing to speak at the place of god. A better sentance would have been : " according to the catholic church, god see ..."
does the readership of this discussion really need that much help?
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What said the catholic church is miss-informations. Asking people to not have sex is irrelevant, it will work only for a few peoples, and will lead the others to problems by not using condoms.
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. If they did say "go for it", then it would just weaken their position on all moral issues. They have no choice but to answer the way they have...
No, but GOOGLE does. I only clicked on the first choice and it was already good enough to support my point.
<sarcasm>Google is the best way to find reliable, credible research. It is especially credible on issues where emotions run high. Thanks. Wow. </sarcasm>
<sarcasm>Google is the best way to find reliable, credible research. It is especially credible on issues where emotions run high. Thanks. Wow. </sarcasm>
This coming from someone that's quoting and defending the Catholic Church. Irony.
EDIT: Obviously the article I linked to isn't written by Google, so your sarcasm is really just a diversionary tactic. Lame. Increased use of condoms in Thailand has reduced HIV infections. It's the exact support you asked me to find, and I found it in about thirty seconds. Feel free to refute it.
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. If they did say "go for it", then it would just weaken their position on all moral issues. They have no choice but to answer the way they have...
As a doctor saving life is my priority. Do not save lives in the name of morality is criminal. And avoiding to make a campaign against condoms will not weaken any position.
For the unproven possibility that it might save lives : its false. Condoms have proven their efficiency.
They just can say : we are for sex within the marriage, however for people who are sinfull in this way, using condoms is better than helping in the transmission of aid.
As a doctor saving life is my priority. Do not save lives in the name of morality is criminal. And avoiding to make a campaign against condoms will not weaken any position.
This is where we diverge. Thats such a modern-day fallacy. I cannot disagree with this statement more.
2 people die and go to heaven = eternal life
2 people die a little older but violate Gods law = eternal death
EDIT: Obviously the article I linked to isn't written by Google, so your sarcasm is really just a diversionary tactic. Lame. Increased use of condoms in Thailand has reduced HIV infections. It's the exact support you asked me to find, and I found it in about thirty seconds. Feel free to refute it.
The response is still valid. You're arguing that an arbitrary source off of google is more credible than the Catholic Church. I obviously disagree.
This is where we diverge. Thats such a modern-day fallacy. I cannot disagree with this statement more.
2 people die and go to heaven = eternal life
2 people die a little older but violate Gods law = eternal death
So you think that a 20 years boy who have severed sexual intercourse will merit an eternal death. Perhaps it discribe the god of the bible, but it do not like Jesus Christ. Christian God is love, not revenge. It's a forgiving god, not a terrible god, who consider us poor humans as slave, obey to my laws or you will be eternally doomed.
I had some sexual intercourse while i was 24 before i was married, sure i merit an eternal death.
I've beaten everybody into obscurity with their arguments. I tire of this. Please try to have a brain. Goodbye.
I see first, god speak to us via your own mouth, and no because we disagree with you , we have no brain. `
Congratulations. You help the popularity of the catholic church. Luckily i know many catholic people, so i have a difference advice than the one i should have considering what you wrote here.
To your credit, perhaps you where deeply annoyed by the anti-catholic bash of some posters here, but your job of advocate was very poor.
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. [/B]
You know, this is just the "morals before life" stance that makes the churches teachings so despicable, immoral and unethical in my (and certainly not only my) eyes.
It is a Good Thing [tm] that the number of those blind enough to follow such a barbaric religion is going down (at least over here) year after year, I certainly hope I do live long enough to see them as irrelevant as they deserve.
Any human being should be compassionate enough to put theory behind practice, experience above teaching and human needs above the desires of some unproven, absent and (if existent) cold-hearted "god" thing.
Heck, I'd rather see a population screw around like rabbits (there is nothing immoral about this) then see one hemophiliac die because the blood donor was a freaking honest-to-god catholic who used to happen to fvck with some bastard lying about his other sex partner.
Having sex is human nature, get over it already. Preaching life-long abstinence or life-long monogamy is trying to force something people are not made for.
70 year old murder, rapist, criminal finds god in last 6 months goes to heaven
70 year old widow loses faith in god after her husband's death and commits sins in last 6 months of her life, goes to hell?\
Sorry, I know I said I wasn't going to reply again. But I just feel so bad for this person I have to respond. This belief is a protestant belief, but not at all a Catholic one. If you would like, email me and I will give you a list of good books to read if you are sincerely interested in knowing.
A mind is like a parachute, it only works if its open.
But seriously, you think I haven't thought of all these questions? Faith is a lifelong journey, not something you find after reading a post on apple insider. If you are interested in starting that journey, email me and I will send you a list of books to get you started. I started as a staunch non-believer as well, so I understand the hostility. But its amazing what a 1 year attempt to disprove christianity did to me.
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Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
God sees sex as the ultimate form of intimacy, to be shared with your spouse.
Did God give you a phone-call to told you this personally ? I find quite disturbing to speak at the place of god. A better sentance would have been : " according to the catholic church, god see ..."
What said the catholic church is miss-informations. Asking people to not have sex is irrelevant, it will work only for a few peoples, and will lead the others to problems by not using condoms.
A moral guideline cannot be compared to health prevention. The main goal of health prevention is to be effective. Doctors know that asking for sex abstinence will not work. Their advice is to use condoms. Condoms are not 100 % proof (nothing in the medical field is 100 % proof), but are far more reliable than nothing. Condoms are dangerous only when they breaks. Tiny holes can let pass the virus throught them, but i will not bring virus in the body, because in order to let them enter, there must be micro-wounds in the skin or mucosae of people. And condoms prevent this micro wounds to happen. No case of aids transmission dispite the use of a non broken condom have been reported.
No case of infection via surgical gloves have been reported also. If it was the case i will stop my job.
Originally posted by segovius
Wrong. Yet again. Sigh.
Ever heard of an analogy?
Quote:
Ok. Luke's Gospel states that Herod was 'King of Judea' during the time that Qurinius was governor of Syria. We know now as an absolute fact from historical records that Herod died 10 years before Quirinius was governor and the two were not (and could not have been) contemporaries.
There are at least 5 other significant problems associated merely wioth this one statement of 'Luke', not least of which is that we know from Roman records (that are complete) that there was no taxing or census under Herod in any event. These facts are undisputed by any historian, archaeologist or academic in any institution anywhere.
The facts (that you will not face) are that the Church has no 'divine right', there is no 'apostolic succession', the Church as it stands has no connection to the original teaching of Christ and is now merely the last refuge of a medieval life-denying narrow minded clique that is nothing but a dinosaur slithering senilely into extinction.
It has in fact been sidelined by history and we should all be grateful for this latest outrage because it will only hasten the demise of this immoral, uneccessary and hidebound institution which is an offence to rational thought on any level but on the 'religious' one is nothing short of a brawling obscenity.
I would love to see some references. Are these references as openly biggoted and prone to irrational conclusions as yourself?
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
This is exactly what I'm saying. Care to provide evidence contrary?
No, but GOOGLE does. I only clicked on the first choice and it was already good enough to support my point.
Jukebox Hero, don't read the the davinci code you won't like it.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
Did God give you a phone-call to told you this personally ? I find quite disturbing to speak at the place of god. A better sentance would have been : " according to the catholic church, god see ..."
does the readership of this discussion really need that much help?
Quote:
What said the catholic church is miss-informations. Asking people to not have sex is irrelevant, it will work only for a few peoples, and will lead the others to problems by not using condoms.
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. If they did say "go for it", then it would just weaken their position on all moral issues. They have no choice but to answer the way they have...
Originally posted by BR
I see. Get something wrong and it wasn't said ex cathedra. YAY! ANOTHER STUPID LOOPHOLE!
It is either Ex Cathedra or it isn't. It can't change afterwords. So there is no loophole.
Originally posted by bunge
No, but GOOGLE does. I only clicked on the first choice and it was already good enough to support my point.
<sarcasm>Google is the best way to find reliable, credible research. It is especially credible on issues where emotions run high. Thanks. Wow. </sarcasm>
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
<sarcasm>Google is the best way to find reliable, credible research. It is especially credible on issues where emotions run high. Thanks. Wow. </sarcasm>
This coming from someone that's quoting and defending the Catholic Church. Irony.
EDIT: Obviously the article I linked to isn't written by Google, so your sarcasm is really just a diversionary tactic. Lame. Increased use of condoms in Thailand has reduced HIV infections. It's the exact support you asked me to find, and I found it in about thirty seconds. Feel free to refute it.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. If they did say "go for it", then it would just weaken their position on all moral issues. They have no choice but to answer the way they have...
As a doctor saving life is my priority. Do not save lives in the name of morality is criminal. And avoiding to make a campaign against condoms will not weaken any position.
For the unproven possibility that it might save lives : its false. Condoms have proven their efficiency.
They just can say : we are for sex within the marriage, however for people who are sinfull in this way, using condoms is better than helping in the transmission of aid.
Originally posted by bunge
This coming from someone that's quoting and defending the Catholic Church. Irony.
Catholic Church=single source
Google=multiple source
Perhaps I need to reevaluate the readership....
Originally posted by Powerdoc
As a doctor saving life is my priority. Do not save lives in the name of morality is criminal. And avoiding to make a campaign against condoms will not weaken any position.
This is where we diverge. Thats such a modern-day fallacy. I cannot disagree with this statement more.
2 people die and go to heaven = eternal life
2 people die a little older but violate Gods law = eternal death
Originally posted by bunge
EDIT: Obviously the article I linked to isn't written by Google, so your sarcasm is really just a diversionary tactic. Lame. Increased use of condoms in Thailand has reduced HIV infections. It's the exact support you asked me to find, and I found it in about thirty seconds. Feel free to refute it.
The response is still valid. You're arguing that an arbitrary source off of google is more credible than the Catholic Church. I obviously disagree.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
This is where we diverge. Thats such a modern-day fallacy. I cannot disagree with this statement more.
2 people die and go to heaven = eternal life
2 people die a little older but violate Gods law = eternal death
So you think that a 20 years boy who have severed sexual intercourse will merit an eternal death. Perhaps it discribe the god of the bible, but it do not like Jesus Christ. Christian God is love, not revenge. It's a forgiving god, not a terrible god, who consider us poor humans as slave, obey to my laws or you will be eternally doomed.
I had some sexual intercourse while i was 24 before i was married, sure i merit an eternal death.
70 year old widow loses faith in god after her husband's death and commits sins in last 6 months of her life, goes to hell?
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
I've beaten everybody into obscurity with their arguments. I tire of this. Please try to have a brain. Goodbye.
I see first, god speak to us via your own mouth, and no because we disagree with you , we have no brain. `
Congratulations. You help the popularity of the catholic church. Luckily i know many catholic people, so i have a difference advice than the one i should have considering what you wrote here.
To your credit, perhaps you where deeply annoyed by the anti-catholic bash of some posters here, but your job of advocate was very poor.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
The Catholic Church cannot support anything that is morally reprehensible, despite the unproven possibility that it might save lives. [/B]
You know, this is just the "morals before life" stance that makes the churches teachings so despicable, immoral and unethical in my (and certainly not only my) eyes.
It is a Good Thing [tm] that the number of those blind enough to follow such a barbaric religion is going down (at least over here) year after year, I certainly hope I do live long enough to see them as irrelevant as they deserve.
Any human being should be compassionate enough to put theory behind practice, experience above teaching and human needs above the desires of some unproven, absent and (if existent) cold-hearted "god" thing.
Heck, I'd rather see a population screw around like rabbits (there is nothing immoral about this) then see one hemophiliac die because the blood donor was a freaking honest-to-god catholic who used to happen to fvck with some bastard lying about his other sex partner.
Having sex is human nature, get over it already. Preaching life-long abstinence or life-long monogamy is trying to force something people are not made for.
Originally posted by keyboardf12
70 year old murder, rapist, criminal finds god in last 6 months goes to heaven
70 year old widow loses faith in god after her husband's death and commits sins in last 6 months of her life, goes to hell?
Sorry, I know I said I wasn't going to reply again. But I just feel so bad for this person I have to respond. This belief is a protestant belief, but not at all a Catholic one. If you would like, email me and I will give you a list of good books to read if you are sincerely interested in knowing.
But seriously, you think I haven't thought of all these questions? Faith is a lifelong journey, not something you find after reading a post on apple insider. If you are interested in starting that journey, email me and I will send you a list of books to get you started. I started as a staunch non-believer as well, so I understand the hostility. But its amazing what a 1 year attempt to disprove christianity did to me.