Roland has MIDI pickups for guitar / bass I believe. I saw a MIDI pickup for bass and it was around / over $1,000 USD. But that was at the beginning of 2003, they may have come down in price since then.
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I found two Roland bass pickups at musiciansfriend.com , one for $230, another for $1,000. Maybe there's one for a guitar but these are the only 2 that popped up in the search.
Again, the pick up alone is fairly cheap, it's the floorboard/sound module that costs the big dough.
if I remember correctly, when I was researching roland V-bass stuff, the floorboard is around 600-700, while the pickup is like 200-300 range.
Doesn't Claypool have one? I could've sworn I saw him using a fat double-neck in some video or concert footage once. Could be wrong though...
The only double-neck 7 string in the world.
there are many other double neck basses out there, and guitars, and bass/guitar combos.
I have never seen claypool with a double neck, let alone a double neck 7, but I'm sure he probably has some weird basses.
the guitarist from cheap trick has a 5-necked guitar, that's pretty crazy.
bassist, michael manring, is currently working with ZON to produce a double neck 6 string version of his hyperbass(a bass with 4 de-tuner pegs, bridge tuning capabilities, 3-octaves, and a massive cutaway to play the whole neck, fretless)
Originally posted by Wrong Robot I have never seen anything drastically cheaper, but I suppose in theory it would be possible to create a sound-less midi pick up just for plugging into a computer, this would likely be a lot cheaper, but it isn't very practical because the home computer recording market is currently fairly small, and the guitar midi systems are designed with live playing in mind.
true you can find midi keyboards for $99 but they don't have sounds, and you would normally need a couple hundred dollars of software to provide them with a lot of high quality sounds.
Well that's kinda what I'm saying: this guitar doesn't have to do - or be - anything cute or special. It doesn't have to have "real" pickups. It wouldn't be manufactured (or purchased) with the intention of playing live. It would be manufactured solely as a guitar for all the budding GarageBand monkeys that are sure to coming out of the woodwork in the coming months. Think about it...what a huge, huge market that will be!
I'd go out tomorrow morning and buy one if it existed for an affordable price!!!
The guitar wouldn't have to store anything on board. Wouldn't have to have regular pickups AND MIDI ones. Just the MIDI stuff, because you're buying it only to hook up to your computer and use with GarageBand. You plug it in, as these keyboards via USB or MIDI (personally, I think a guitar with a USB jack on it would be so neat) into the Mac. From there, you can "play" those upright bass or bagpipe or sax licks and parts from the guitar. And/or access all those modeled guitar amps. AND, as a final treat (as I mention earlier), in addition to amp models, how long do you think it would take some enterprising, forward-thinking company (maybe even Line 6 or someone like them) to make software packs made to work with GarageBand, whose sole purpose is to provide guitar modeling software?
Just imagine: "Let's see...let me dial in a Mark Knopfler quacky Strat sound...and I want it playing through a '59 Bassman, and...".
Or "hey, here's a '59 Gretsch Country Gentleman...bitchin'!" TWANG, TWANG, TWANG...
I'll bet by summertime, there will be a solution like this (a guitar and Apple will either produce themselves - OR partner with someone - to produce guitar model software, sold separately (or available for download) as JamPack is.
I'm sure updates to GarageBand will be frequent, with new loops, amp models, instruments, etc. This just ties in to all that.
I know much of the discussion thus far has centered on acoustic instruments and audio capturing. But at this point I'm curious how GB would handle what I like to do, which is trancribe classical music into MIDI. As such, I know I'd need a lot of tracks in some instances as well as the ability to fine-tune the details. For instance, judging from what I've read in this thread and a few other places, there is no MIDI events editor in GarageBand nor other slightly more involved techy stuff when it comes to MIDI. Can anybody confirm this at this point?
I'm heading to the Mall of America Apple Retail Store in a couple of weeks anyway, so I could find out then too.
At the risk of straying off topic, I wonder if you could offer a MIDI guitar that, , used pressure and location on the fingerboard to help figure out what notes you were playing, and sensors on the bridge to figure out which strings and how hard? Sure, you'd lose a lot of nuance, because it couldn't pick things like string bends up, but it seems like a simple enough solution for a cheap pure-MIDI guitar.
For instance, judging from what I've read in this thread and a few other places, there is no MIDI events editor in GarageBand nor other slightly more involved techy stuff when it comes to MIDI. Can anybody confirm this at this point?
Apparently there is some form of MIDI editing. It also quantizes to the 32nd note if you want it to.
I know much of the discussion thus far has centered on acoustic instruments and audio capturing. But at this point I'm curious how GB would handle what I like to do, which is trancribe classical music into MIDI.
At the risk of straying off topic, I wonder if you could offer a MIDI guitar that, , used pressure and location on the fingerboard to help figure out what notes you were playing, and sensors on the bridge to figure out which strings and how hard? Sure, you'd lose a lot of nuance, because it couldn't pick things like string bends up, but it seems like a simple enough solution for a cheap pure-MIDI guitar.
Says the drummer.
Roy 'futureman' wooten of Bela Fleck and the flecktones uses an intrusment called the Synthax drumitar. It was made by him with help from www.zendrum.com essentially it is just that.
it is shaped(more or less) like a guitar, but instead of strings, it just has pads all over the neck, as well as pads all over the body.
he plays it similarly to how you'd play a guitar, only he dials in drum sounds, since it's all pressure sensitive and fairly robust software, he is able to create quite a good sounding drum kit for live and record use.
It's a pretty wild solution, and as far as I know they aren't readily available, though I do think a company used to manufacture them, futch's is highly customized though. \
Midi pickups work surprisingly well, you can play really fast and complicated stuff and it tracks pretty darn well.
I have beaten its tracking before, but for casual playing, that isn't super virtuoso, they are just fine.
Paul, there are probably other solutions than the Roland gr-33 or V-guitar/bass system that would be cheaper, I'm sure there are midi pickups out there that don't work in a proprietary system like the gr-33 or v-guitar, I'm not familiar with them though.
but I do see your point, it would be a great product, a cheap midi guitar(or bass) that would come ready to use as a controller for any midi device. I'd like to see that made
I agree with that. But try as I might I can't see that any of the existing online music services offer that amount of value. They might flourish for a while but they won't survive in the long run in their current form. Strip away the hype and what you've got is a music store - online. And when the novelty wears off and people realise it's more of the same old same old, the music industry's going to find itself right back where it is at the moment. Screwed.
But online music stores have 3 major advantages:
* You can get 30-second previews
* You can buy tracks only, saving a bunch of money
* Even when buying an "album" online, you generally save money.
They said 1/2 of all US households have musicians.
I think he was referring to the Native American Semites. :
Yeah, 1/2 of all US households have at least one current/active musician. I am part of that group, and I can tell you, I know many other people who would be interested in this program... if they had Macs. So, really, it doesn't matter if there is a 50% Musician Rate in the US if only 3-5% have Macs at the moment. SO, I feel this app (along with the KILLER FREE QUICKTIME UTILITIES ) are going to be mean $$$$$ for Apple
sorry, i was censored there. It will mean money for Apple.
do you work for them perhaps? the largest archive of classical music MIDI files on the net.
Yup, I'm very familiar with that site, but I don't work for them. I would like to publish a fair number of MIDI transcriptions there once I get some experience under my belt -- Classical MIDI Archives is missing a lot of good stuff as far as I'm concerned.
As far as the claim that half of american households have musicians, in the past week I've spoken to no less than 6 people at work that I've known for the past 4 years about Garage Band. These people, I found out for the first time, either play an instrument (3 of them, 2 guitar, one piano player) themselves or their kids play (if they have more than one child, all of them play instruments). So out of a total of 22 people referred to in conversation, the six at work and their immediate families, 13 play instruments.
Obviously, it's an unscientific study, but it's interesting how many people I know that play instruments and how it's never come up before.
I watched the Keynote again (and found a clip of just the Mayer performance). From following the bass, the chord changes in Mayer composition go from C to A flat to F minor back up to C. The rhythm guitar that kicks in stays in C the whole time, but that definitely works over the chord changes.
(Funny how he ragged on himself for demoing all of those MIDI sounds in the key of C, then the composition he played along with was also in C.)
This device does not appear to have MIDI I/O. (for a "traditional" MIDI keyboard).
I have ordered the Edirol UA-20 Digital Audio Interface instead. I have a MIDI keyboard as well as having a banjo with piezo-electric pickup. This will accomodate both + mic.
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Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
Roland has MIDI pickups for guitar / bass I believe. I saw a MIDI pickup for bass and it was around / over $1,000 USD. But that was at the beginning of 2003, they may have come down in price since then.
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I found two Roland bass pickups at musiciansfriend.com , one for $230, another for $1,000. Maybe there's one for a guitar but these are the only 2 that popped up in the search.
Again, the pick up alone is fairly cheap, it's the floorboard/sound module that costs the big dough.
if I remember correctly, when I was researching roland V-bass stuff, the floorboard is around 600-700, while the pickup is like 200-300 range.
Originally posted by DCQ
Doesn't Claypool have one? I could've sworn I saw him using a fat double-neck in some video or concert footage once. Could be wrong though...
The only double-neck 7 string in the world.
there are many other double neck basses out there, and guitars, and bass/guitar combos.
I have never seen claypool with a double neck, let alone a double neck 7, but I'm sure he probably has some weird basses.
the guitarist from cheap trick has a 5-necked guitar, that's pretty crazy.
bassist, michael manring, is currently working with ZON to produce a double neck 6 string version of his hyperbass(a bass with 4 de-tuner pegs, bridge tuning capabilities, 3-octaves, and a massive cutaway to play the whole neck, fretless)
Originally posted by Wrong Robot I have never seen anything drastically cheaper, but I suppose in theory it would be possible to create a sound-less midi pick up just for plugging into a computer, this would likely be a lot cheaper, but it isn't very practical because the home computer recording market is currently fairly small, and the guitar midi systems are designed with live playing in mind.
true you can find midi keyboards for $99 but they don't have sounds, and you would normally need a couple hundred dollars of software to provide them with a lot of high quality sounds.
Well that's kinda what I'm saying: this guitar doesn't have to do - or be - anything cute or special. It doesn't have to have "real" pickups. It wouldn't be manufactured (or purchased) with the intention of playing live. It would be manufactured solely as a guitar for all the budding GarageBand monkeys that are sure to coming out of the woodwork in the coming months. Think about it...what a huge, huge market that will be!
I'd go out tomorrow morning and buy one if it existed for an affordable price!!!
The guitar wouldn't have to store anything on board. Wouldn't have to have regular pickups AND MIDI ones. Just the MIDI stuff, because you're buying it only to hook up to your computer and use with GarageBand. You plug it in, as these keyboards via USB or MIDI (personally, I think a guitar with a USB jack on it would be so neat) into the Mac. From there, you can "play" those upright bass or bagpipe or sax licks and parts from the guitar. And/or access all those modeled guitar amps. AND, as a final treat (as I mention earlier), in addition to amp models, how long do you think it would take some enterprising, forward-thinking company (maybe even Line 6 or someone like them) to make software packs made to work with GarageBand, whose sole purpose is to provide guitar modeling software?
Just imagine: "Let's see...let me dial in a Mark Knopfler quacky Strat sound...and I want it playing through a '59 Bassman, and...".
Or "hey, here's a '59 Gretsch Country Gentleman...bitchin'!" TWANG, TWANG, TWANG...
I'll bet by summertime, there will be a solution like this (a guitar and Apple will either produce themselves - OR partner with someone - to produce guitar model software, sold separately (or available for download) as JamPack is.
I'm sure updates to GarageBand will be frequent, with new loops, amp models, instruments, etc. This just ties in to all that.
I'm heading to the Mall of America Apple Retail Store in a couple of weeks anyway, so I could find out then too.
Says the drummer.
Originally posted by LudwigVan
For instance, judging from what I've read in this thread and a few other places, there is no MIDI events editor in GarageBand nor other slightly more involved techy stuff when it comes to MIDI. Can anybody confirm this at this point?
Apparently there is some form of MIDI editing. It also quantizes to the 32nd note if you want it to.
Picture here of MIDI editing screen.
i give you the iGuitar:
http://www.brianmooreguitars.com/
Originally posted by LudwigVan
I know much of the discussion thus far has centered on acoustic instruments and audio capturing. But at this point I'm curious how GB would handle what I like to do, which is trancribe classical music into MIDI.
www.classicalarchives.com
do you work for them perhaps? the largest archive of classical music MIDI files on the net.
Originally posted by Amorph
At the risk of straying off topic, I wonder if you could offer a MIDI guitar that, , used pressure and location on the fingerboard to help figure out what notes you were playing, and sensors on the bridge to figure out which strings and how hard? Sure, you'd lose a lot of nuance, because it couldn't pick things like string bends up, but it seems like a simple enough solution for a cheap pure-MIDI guitar.
Says the drummer.
Roy 'futureman' wooten of Bela Fleck and the flecktones uses an intrusment called the Synthax drumitar. It was made by him with help from www.zendrum.com essentially it is just that.
it is shaped(more or less) like a guitar, but instead of strings, it just has pads all over the neck, as well as pads all over the body.
he plays it similarly to how you'd play a guitar, only he dials in drum sounds, since it's all pressure sensitive and fairly robust software, he is able to create quite a good sounding drum kit for live and record use.
It's a pretty wild solution, and as far as I know they aren't readily available, though I do think a company used to manufacture them, futch's is highly customized though.
Midi pickups work surprisingly well, you can play really fast and complicated stuff and it tracks pretty darn well.
I have beaten its tracking before, but for casual playing, that isn't super virtuoso, they are just fine.
Paul, there are probably other solutions than the Roland gr-33 or V-guitar/bass system that would be cheaper, I'm sure there are midi pickups out there that don't work in a proprietary system like the gr-33 or v-guitar, I'm not familiar with them though.
but I do see your point, it would be a great product, a cheap midi guitar(or bass) that would come ready to use as a controller for any midi device. I'd like to see that made
Originally posted by crazychester
I agree with that. But try as I might I can't see that any of the existing online music services offer that amount of value. They might flourish for a while but they won't survive in the long run in their current form. Strip away the hype and what you've got is a music store - online. And when the novelty wears off and people realise it's more of the same old same old, the music industry's going to find itself right back where it is at the moment. Screwed.
But online music stores have 3 major advantages:
* You can get 30-second previews
* You can buy tracks only, saving a bunch of money
* Even when buying an "album" online, you generally save money.
Originally posted by _ alliance _
good job apple. way to please the minority of the minorities.
They said 1/2 of all US households have musicians.
Originally posted by _ alliance _
thats a bogus stat. means nothing.
and you know that how?
Without evidence, your words mean nothing.
Originally posted by ryaxnb
They said 1/2 of all US households have musicians.
I think he was referring to the Native American Semites.
Yeah, 1/2 of all US households have at least one current/active musician. I am part of that group, and I can tell you, I know many other people who would be interested in this program... if they had Macs. So, really, it doesn't matter if there is a 50% Musician Rate in the US if only 3-5% have Macs at the moment. SO, I feel this app (along with the KILLER FREE QUICKTIME UTILITIES
sorry, i was censored there. It will mean money for Apple.
Originally posted by Wrong Robot
www.classicalarchives.com
do you work for them perhaps? the largest archive of classical music MIDI files on the net.
Yup, I'm very familiar with that site, but I don't work for them. I would like to publish a fair number of MIDI transcriptions there once I get some experience under my belt -- Classical MIDI Archives is missing a lot of good stuff as far as I'm concerned.
Obviously, it's an unscientific study, but it's interesting how many people I know that play instruments and how it's never come up before.
(Funny how he ragged on himself for demoing all of those MIDI sounds in the key of C, then the composition he played along with was also in C.)
Check out:
Harmony Assistant
http://www.myriad-online.com/enindex.htm
I can't wait to use this in conjunction with GB.
Clarification on "bridging" hardware.
RE: M-Audio MobilePre USB Audio Interface...
This device does not appear to have MIDI I/O. (for a "traditional" MIDI keyboard).
I have ordered the Edirol UA-20 Digital Audio Interface instead. I have a MIDI keyboard as well as having a banjo with piezo-electric pickup. This will accomodate both + mic.
Ebony&Ivory
That's a great program
(link works now)