Well, it 'supposedly' does decrease battery life... But, it isn't meant to be very noticeable. It depends on how much you run it down, before recharging. I would recommend running it down when you can.
If I remember correctly, the manual of the iPod mentions that you shouldn't wait for the battery to run down before recharging. That will reduce the battery life.
You need to deplete it once in a while to recalibrate it though, so that you can get full benefit of the charge it holds. Just avoid doing it too often.
I have a nine-month old Motorola T720 phone that has suffered worse battery degradation than my 'first weekend in the UK' 5GB iPod!
And, as a Brit, can I just say how much it sucks that our political representatives have nothing better to do than make spurious demands of Apple when: -
a) there are schools and hospitals that have major funding problems
and
b) nobody requests an 'Early Day Motion' demanding that Microsoft be barred from supplying any further public sector contracts until it can prove that its software is secure by any reasonable standard, which I would have thought was more of a problem than the laws of physics.
Originally posted by Mark- Card Carrying FanaticRealist
I have a nine-month old Motorola T720 phone that has suffered worse battery degradation than my 'first weekend in the UK' 5GB iPod!
And, as a Brit, can I just say how much it sucks that our political representatives have nothing better to do than make spurious demands of Apple when: -
a) there are schools and hospitals that have major funding problems
and
b) nobody requests an 'Early Day Motion' demanding that Microsoft be barred from supplying any further public sector contracts until it can prove that its software is secure by any reasonable standard, which I would have thought was more of a problem than the laws of physics.
It is rediculous seeing that they ignored the stupid FM laws and they should have debated allowing short range radio transmitters.
The situation seems especially bad in the UK. I thought that spurious assumptions based on sensational headlines was the domain of US news and its followers.
Seriously, it's out of hand. You wonder if Apple's just trying to wait it out, stay quiet and hope it goes away. They just have to get facts out because we're only in here, and we can't move as fast as the media.
Well at work today (an especially busy day) I read the letters section of Maximum PC and the person asks about the ipod battery and the 18 month lifespan. To Maximum PC's credit (they seem to love to put the mac in the worst light possible, even putting the g5 up against not a vanilla p4 but the fargin' 1grand p4 extreme edition, but thats another story) they went into detail about battery life and how any battery degrades over time even mentioning that their own tester is going strong at about 65% max. Anyway they also said the 3rd gen ipod has a new lithium ion battery (vs the last 2 gen's lithium something or other) and has a much longer life expectancy. All in all it was a good reply to the letter and shed a good light on the ipod, then....
As I'm flipping through rolling stone they mention the ipod battery thing and how a class action suit has been filed or some such and that the ipod has 'strong competition' for the dell jukebox due to the cheaper price tag and double battery life...
You would think a freakin' music mag like rolling stone would be better in touch with the portable player with 70% market share hmmmm?
Why didn't the FUD spreader get an extended warranty in the first place?
Why does apple only offer a 1 year warrenty on a 500 dollar mp3 player?
Is this normal. If I go buy a TV for 500 dollars tom. what is the normal warranty? 3 years? 1 year?
1 year limited warranties are typical in the industry, whether you're buying an iPod or a $10,000 TV. Some are 90 day warranties. It is too short IMO, but they limit their liability and I guess commodity components expose them that much more.
1 year limited warranties are typical in the industry, whether you're buying an iPod or a $10,000 TV. Some are 90 day warranties. It is too short IMO, but they limit their liability and I guess commodity components expose them that much more.
TVs you can upgrade to about five though, can't you. I was asked by someone else about my iPod yesterday, it's getting amusing now!
the other day i had a guy tell me mac's were only good for lightwave and listening to music... i tried to correct him, but to no avail... i think he's one of those intense gamer guys that you'd have to torture to get them to even look at a mac...
while the top 6 games ever are for mac, most of the hardcore peecee gamers don't like 'em-Harry Potter, Sims, etc...they are more into counterstrike
I put my iPod on my desk the other day and told it to play a smart playlist. I turned off all the equalisers etc., put the hold button on and left it. It lasted 8 hours (well 7hrs and 59 minutes). And this isn't a new iPod (July 2003), and it hasn't been kept it perfect condition, and I use it every day and charge it every day, at least once. So as far as I'm concerned I don;t see what the fuss is about. Or do I have to wait 18 months?
So basically your coworker is a loudmouthed ill-informed moron, eh?
Get used to it. They're everywhere....
Works wonders.
And they are calles amoung other things, windows i.t. guys, these people say that ipods are crap compaird to a diskman (no joke) and these same people say 'Dont go mac, only hippys and artsy-fartsy types use mac stuff' - imagine it is the 1920's, windows IT guys are the horse and buggy salesmen and apple guys are Ford dealers
All batteries die, no two batteries will last exactly the same amount of time. That's just a fact of technology.
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
I can't believe I'm even taking time to write about this again... but in the hopes that people might read it... here goes...
You'll have these same threads in just about every digial audio player forum. I've just gotten my first iPod (the Mini)... but it's hardly my first hard drive based player. The first... an Archos Jukebox (replacable NiCads), then the Nomad Jukebox Zen USB 2.0 (non-replacable LiIon - although the newest versions are replacable), a Philips Jukebox HDD100 (non replacable LiPoly), a Rio Nitrus (non replacable LiIon), and a Rio Karma (non replacable LiIon), and now my Mini with a non replacable LiIon battery.
Lithium Ion batteries last roughly 500 charges before they lose about 20% of their original full charge capacity (meaning if you got about 10 hours originally... after roughly 500 full charge cycles, you'll get about 8 hours)... the battery does not up and die (unless it's faulty)... Lithium Polymer batteries will suffer this same effect after roughly 300 charges.
Yes... I do think being able to replace the battery is preferable... and to some extent, I believe the idea is to get people to go out and buy a new player instead of going through the inconvenience of having their battery replaced. With my purchase history... I'm lucky if I go a few months without getting a new digital audio player (I can't help myself)... but for alot of people out there... I think they should be able to buy a product and keep it as long as THEY want to... not as long as the manufacturer thinks they should. Just about every other portable electronic device prior to these digial audio players had user replacable batteries. The arguement that "Oh, you'll want to get a new one when the battery dies anyway" doesn't hold true for everyone. But ya need to keep what "dies" means in perspective. Most of these batteries will likely reduce their capacity over a few years... but very few will likely "die" for quite some time.
Because I go through a few of these things a year, doesn't mean that everyone else does. The battery is one of the few things a user can replace on a portable electronic device... and the life expectancy of that product should have absolutely nothing to do with the battery. Granted... it's also an excercise in design. If we want the tiniest of everything... we can't complain when we have to make compromises. They can make things like the Rio Nitrus, Rio Karma, iPod, and iPod Mini as small as they do by fitting things together extremely tightly... there is no way you could not be required to increase the bulk at least somewhat in order to allow for a user replacable battery.
There are options if you want a replacable battery (the newer Zens and I'd imagine a few others)... but none of the "coolest" players do. Ya just can't have everything... a Lamborghini (sorry on the spelling there)is really expensive.. but alot of people will tell you it's not the best car to drive around in a city. But that's not what you're spending all that money on... You're spending it on something that's high performace and a bit of show.
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
Right. Must be why mine is still going after over two years.
*sigh*
Sorry, didn't mean to offer up a hard cold fact to disagree with your opinion... my bad. Return to your regularly scheduled misunderstanding, please.
Comments
Originally posted by mattyj
Well, it 'supposedly' does decrease battery life... But, it isn't meant to be very noticeable. It depends on how much you run it down, before recharging. I would recommend running it down when you can.
If I remember correctly, the manual of the iPod mentions that you shouldn't wait for the battery to run down before recharging. That will reduce the battery life.
You need to deplete it once in a while to recalibrate it though, so that you can get full benefit of the charge it holds. Just avoid doing it too often.
UK Government seeks WMD and iPod batteries.
And, as a Brit, can I just say how much it sucks that our political representatives have nothing better to do than make spurious demands of Apple when: -
a) there are schools and hospitals that have major funding problems
and
b) nobody requests an 'Early Day Motion' demanding that Microsoft be barred from supplying any further public sector contracts until it can prove that its software is secure by any reasonable standard, which I would have thought was more of a problem than the laws of physics.
Originally posted by Mark- Card Carrying FanaticRealist
I have a nine-month old Motorola T720 phone that has suffered worse battery degradation than my 'first weekend in the UK' 5GB iPod!
And, as a Brit, can I just say how much it sucks that our political representatives have nothing better to do than make spurious demands of Apple when: -
a) there are schools and hospitals that have major funding problems
and
b) nobody requests an 'Early Day Motion' demanding that Microsoft be barred from supplying any further public sector contracts until it can prove that its software is secure by any reasonable standard, which I would have thought was more of a problem than the laws of physics.
It is rediculous seeing that they ignored the stupid FM laws and they should have debated allowing short range radio transmitters.
Originally posted by piot
The FUD is spreading!
UK Government seeks WMD and iPod batteries.
The situation seems especially bad in the UK. I thought that spurious assumptions based on sensational headlines was the domain of US news and its followers.
Seriously, it's out of hand. You wonder if Apple's just trying to wait it out, stay quiet and hope it goes away. They just have to get facts out because we're only in here, and we can't move as fast as the media.
http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/
As I'm flipping through rolling stone they mention the ipod battery thing and how a class action suit has been filed or some such and that the ipod has 'strong competition' for the dell jukebox due to the cheaper price tag and double battery life...
You would think a freakin' music mag like rolling stone would be better in touch with the portable player with 70% market share hmmmm?
Why didn't the FUD spreader get an extended warranty in the first place?
Why does apple only offer a 1 year warrenty on a 500 dollar mp3 player?
Is this normal. If I go buy a TV for 500 dollars tom. what is the normal warranty? 3 years? 1 year?
Originally posted by BuonRotto
1 year limited warranties are typical in the industry, whether you're buying an iPod or a $10,000 TV. Some are 90 day warranties. It is too short IMO, but they limit their liability and I guess commodity components expose them that much more.
TVs you can upgrade to about five though, can't you. I was asked by someone else about my iPod yesterday, it's getting amusing now!
For the iPod, it's called AppleCare. $59, covers you for two additional years, for a total of three.
Originally posted by ipodandimac
the other day i had a guy tell me mac's were only good for lightwave and listening to music... i tried to correct him, but to no avail... i think he's one of those intense gamer guys that you'd have to torture to get them to even look at a mac...
while the top 6 games ever are for mac, most of the hardcore peecee gamers don't like 'em-Harry Potter, Sims, etc...they are more into counterstrike
Originally posted by Kickaha
So basically your coworker is a loudmouthed ill-informed moron, eh?
Get used to it. They're everywhere....
Works wonders.
And they are calles amoung other things, windows i.t. guys, these people say that ipods are crap compaird to a diskman (no joke) and these same people say 'Dont go mac, only hippys and artsy-fartsy types use mac stuff' - imagine it is the 1920's, windows IT guys are the horse and buggy salesmen and apple guys are Ford dealers
Originally posted by Kickaha
WHAT battery issue?!?!
That's the whole point of this &*(%@#$ thread! There *IS* no issue!
My dead 10GB iPod that is now currently a paper-weight begs to differ
Originally posted by Studio896
My dead 10GB iPod that is now currently a paper-weight begs to differ
so go replace the battery!!
Originally posted by ipodandimac
so go replace the battery!!
exactly. small dog will send you a kit to do it yourself for $49 or send it in and they'll do it for you for an extra $20
Originally posted by Studio896
My dead 10GB iPod that is now currently a paper-weight begs to differ
And my original 5GB iPod that's still running will come over there and kick your sorry 10GB's tushie. :P
I concur with the other posters: replace the battery.
The original rant by those two spraypainting punks was based on the misinformation that:
1) The battery would not last longer than 18 months, period. (WRONG)
2) The battery was not replaceable at all. (WRONG)
All batteries die, no two batteries will last exactly the same amount of time. That's just a fact of technology.
Replace the bugger.
Originally posted by Kickaha
All batteries die, no two batteries will last exactly the same amount of time. That's just a fact of technology.
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
I can't believe I'm even taking time to write about this again... but in the hopes that people might read it... here goes...
You'll have these same threads in just about every digial audio player forum. I've just gotten my first iPod (the Mini)... but it's hardly my first hard drive based player. The first... an Archos Jukebox (replacable NiCads), then the Nomad Jukebox Zen USB 2.0 (non-replacable LiIon - although the newest versions are replacable), a Philips Jukebox HDD100 (non replacable LiPoly), a Rio Nitrus (non replacable LiIon), and a Rio Karma (non replacable LiIon), and now my Mini with a non replacable LiIon battery.
Lithium Ion batteries last roughly 500 charges before they lose about 20% of their original full charge capacity (meaning if you got about 10 hours originally... after roughly 500 full charge cycles, you'll get about 8 hours)... the battery does not up and die (unless it's faulty)... Lithium Polymer batteries will suffer this same effect after roughly 300 charges.
Yes... I do think being able to replace the battery is preferable... and to some extent, I believe the idea is to get people to go out and buy a new player instead of going through the inconvenience of having their battery replaced. With my purchase history... I'm lucky if I go a few months without getting a new digital audio player (I can't help myself)... but for alot of people out there... I think they should be able to buy a product and keep it as long as THEY want to... not as long as the manufacturer thinks they should. Just about every other portable electronic device prior to these digial audio players had user replacable batteries. The arguement that "Oh, you'll want to get a new one when the battery dies anyway" doesn't hold true for everyone. But ya need to keep what "dies" means in perspective. Most of these batteries will likely reduce their capacity over a few years... but very few will likely "die" for quite some time.
Because I go through a few of these things a year, doesn't mean that everyone else does. The battery is one of the few things a user can replace on a portable electronic device... and the life expectancy of that product should have absolutely nothing to do with the battery. Granted... it's also an excercise in design. If we want the tiniest of everything... we can't complain when we have to make compromises. They can make things like the Rio Nitrus, Rio Karma, iPod, and iPod Mini as small as they do by fitting things together extremely tightly... there is no way you could not be required to increase the bulk at least somewhat in order to allow for a user replacable battery.
There are options if you want a replacable battery (the newer Zens and I'd imagine a few others)... but none of the "coolest" players do. Ya just can't have everything... a Lamborghini (sorry on the spelling there)is really expensive.. but alot of people will tell you it's not the best car to drive around in a city. But that's not what you're spending all that money on... You're spending it on something that's high performace and a bit of show.
Originally posted by Studio896
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
Right. Must be why mine is still going after over two years.
*sigh*
Sorry, didn't mean to offer up a hard cold fact to disagree with your opinion... my bad. Return to your regularly scheduled misunderstanding, please.