It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
I'd like to see some real data on this. I think you're just making shit up, though, so I don't expect you to have any. Add me to the list of iPod owners who have had an iPod last longer than the 18 month fabrication that started this thread. As a matter of fact, I've got 2 original iPods that are still going strong... I wish they would die so I could justify getting another.
You offered a cold hard fact? No two batteries last the same time? Well thank you Captain Obvious!
And yet you *still* missed the point, PFC Oblivious...
Your assertion:
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It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
Fact:
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Must be why mine is still going after over two years.
That is proof enough that there is a problem. Show me ANY other personal electronic device that has had battery problems of that scale...
What scale?? How many reported early failures are there? Compared to how many sold?
Unless you have hard numbers backing up your assertion, you're just stating an opinion.
A google search is not proof. Try 'alien Roswell Majestic'. OMG! We're being colonized by aliens! That's *PROOF*! Google says so!
All your 'proof' proves is that a) there have been petitions to ask Apple to make the batteries replaceable (*psst* They are already... and more than one of those petition links is now dead... wonder why?), b) media whores love a juicy 'scandal' even if there's no meat to it (but we knew that), c) some people will blow anything out of proportion (see b).
Edumakate yourself on battery technologies first. Learning statistics might help too. Then go gather the raw data on failed battery death dates vs. units sold, and come back to us with proof, because most iPods are still going strong.
Do you have hard numbers on how many batteries have lasted a long time? No, but your "fact" is more believable? You've offered no numbers so to say yours is a fact and mine isn't simply because I didn't provide numbers is a contridiction in it's finest. If you notice my google search it is for iPod Battery Petitions. If you want numbers just read all of those petitions that came up and count the people who signed them... there are your numbers. Find me any other portable electronic devise with battery problems of that magnitude... oh wait, there are none.
Do you have hard numbers on how many batteries have lasted a long time? No, but your "fact" is more believable? You've offered no numbers so to say yours is a fact and mine isn't simply because I didn't provide numbers is a contridiction in it's finest. If you notice my google search it is for iPod Battery Petitions. If you want numbers just read all of those petitions that came up and count the people who signed them... there are your numbers. Find me any other portable electronic devise with battery problems of that magnitude... oh wait, there are none.
Well, count those numbers then subtract them from the total iPods sold(over 2 million) then maybe give or take a 5-10,000 margin of error, and I'd say you have a fairly reasonable number. \
Do you have hard numbers on how many batteries have lasted a long time? No, but your "fact" is more believable? You've offered no numbers so to say yours is a fact and mine isn't simply because I didn't provide numbers is a contridiction in it's finest. If you notice my google search it is for iPod Battery Petitions. If you want numbers just read all of those petitions that came up and count the people who signed them... there are your numbers. Find me any other portable electronic devise with battery problems of that magnitude... oh wait, there are none.
Oh your poor, poor boy.
1) Only two of the links of the first page of returns are actual petitions for what you say. The rest are petitions for other things, or articles about the petitions.
2) The BonkBlog link just forwards you to the petitiononline.com site. (ie, one petition)
3) That petition is dead.
So using your logic, there are um... lemme see, carry the 3, square the log of that sum, and...
Oh yeah, zero.
Edit: The entire petitiononline.com site seems to be borked, I'll actually take the time to do your research *for* you, however, just so we can put this stupid matter to rest.
Some folks had problems, but you're going to have to search harder to find those numbers.
Here's an idea: take the units sold of iPods, then find out how many battery replacements have been done. Voila.
Also... that BonkBlog page has two posts on that page. One was the petition itself, Sep 13, 2003.
The next comment is Jan 3, 2004, which I will quote here:
Quote:
There have been several articles published about the IPOD battery and how it is Apple's dirty secret. Well, all of the people who are complaining about the irreplaceable battery must be Americas dumbest. I am glad they are not in politics or they might be complaining about how they were victimized because Europeans refuse to speak English to them. Here is a link that has the TRUTH about the IPOD. http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/
The IPOD battery can be replaced for as low as 49$. The people who are complained about the IPOD battery must be too lazy to look for a replacement on the net. Its no wonder the USA has only one language for communication. We can't even search on the net for a battery replacement. We are too caught around the routine of calling the manufacturer. Where was the critical thinking on that one? Did you just use articles from all the dumb people?
I don't think there's much else to be said, other than there certainly wasn't a huge outpouring of outrage on that site, was there?
Did some batteries die sooner than others? Yup.
Did some die quite a bit sooner than others? Apparently.
Did the owners of those research possible solutions before becoming an incredibly annoying, misinformed, and unfortunately vocal bunch? You make the call.
Oh, and yes there are problems with other Lithium Ion batteries, not really problems, just inherent issues. My camcorder battery for example, died and had to be replaced for $75. Cellphones, cameras, PDA's etc..it isnt just the iPod at all. It is not a problem with EVERY single unit, at least not all within a determined time frame. Some could last 5 years, some could last 8 months.
Since that was the only iPod battery petition that showed up on that first page of Google hits, I'll let you go scanning through the rest of the Google returns for some, 'k?
But to recap... using your logic, and your search criteria, we have a total of 107 signatures so far out of ~2million iPods sold.
Of course, the counter to that is that lots of people who had the problem may never have signed... which underscores my point that the entire idea of checking petition signature numbers to try and 'prove' anything is so fundamentally flawed as a methodology as to be MEANINGLESS.
Sales of iPod replacement batteries
------------------------------ = rough estimate of scale of problem
Sales of iPod
Anything else is just blowing smoke... but my personal anecdotal evidence is that of the um... *counting* 14 iPod owners I know, *none* has had a battery die yet. I'm the oldest, at 2+ years. So unless we're a major statistical anomaly, the chances of it being a 'huge problem' are pretty slim.
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Originally posted by Studio896
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
I'd like to see some real data on this. I think you're just making shit up, though, so I don't expect you to have any. Add me to the list of iPod owners who have had an iPod last longer than the 18 month fabrication that started this thread. As a matter of fact, I've got 2 original iPods that are still going strong... I wish they would die so I could justify getting another.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Sorry, didn't mean to offer up a hard cold fact to disagree with your opinion... my bad. Return to your regularly scheduled misunderstanding, please.
You offered a cold hard fact? No two batteries last the same time? Well thank you Captain Obvious!
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ttery+petition
That is proof enough that there is a problem. Show me ANY other personal electronic device that has had battery problems of that scale...
Originally posted by Studio896
You offered a cold hard fact? No two batteries last the same time? Well thank you Captain Obvious!
And yet you *still* missed the point, PFC Oblivious...
Your assertion:
It is also a fact that iPod batteries suck... period. No two batteries last the same ammount of time, but the majority of iPod batteries last far less then those on other personal electronic devices.
Fact:
Must be why mine is still going after over two years.
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ttery+petition
That is proof enough that there is a problem. Show me ANY other personal electronic device that has had battery problems of that scale...
What scale?? How many reported early failures are there? Compared to how many sold?
Unless you have hard numbers backing up your assertion, you're just stating an opinion.
A google search is not proof. Try 'alien Roswell Majestic'. OMG! We're being colonized by aliens! That's *PROOF*! Google says so!
All your 'proof' proves is that a) there have been petitions to ask Apple to make the batteries replaceable (*psst* They are already... and more than one of those petition links is now dead... wonder why?), b) media whores love a juicy 'scandal' even if there's no meat to it (but we knew that), c) some people will blow anything out of proportion (see b).
Edumakate yourself on battery technologies first. Learning statistics might help too. Then go gather the raw data on failed battery death dates vs. units sold, and come back to us with proof, because most iPods are still going strong.
Originally posted by Studio896
Do you have hard numbers on how many batteries have lasted a long time? No, but your "fact" is more believable? You've offered no numbers so to say yours is a fact and mine isn't simply because I didn't provide numbers is a contridiction in it's finest. If you notice my google search it is for iPod Battery Petitions. If you want numbers just read all of those petitions that came up and count the people who signed them... there are your numbers. Find me any other portable electronic devise with battery problems of that magnitude... oh wait, there are none.
Well, count those numbers then subtract them from the total iPods sold(over 2 million) then maybe give or take a 5-10,000 margin of error, and I'd say you have a fairly reasonable number.
Originally posted by Studio896
Do you have hard numbers on how many batteries have lasted a long time? No, but your "fact" is more believable? You've offered no numbers so to say yours is a fact and mine isn't simply because I didn't provide numbers is a contridiction in it's finest. If you notice my google search it is for iPod Battery Petitions. If you want numbers just read all of those petitions that came up and count the people who signed them... there are your numbers. Find me any other portable electronic devise with battery problems of that magnitude... oh wait, there are none.
Oh your poor, poor boy.
1) Only two of the links of the first page of returns are actual petitions for what you say. The rest are petitions for other things, or articles about the petitions.
2) The BonkBlog link just forwards you to the petitiononline.com site. (ie, one petition)
3) That petition is dead.
So using your logic, there are um... lemme see, carry the 3, square the log of that sum, and...
Oh yeah, zero.
Edit: The entire petitiononline.com site seems to be borked, I'll actually take the time to do your research *for* you, however, just so we can put this stupid matter to rest.
Some folks had problems, but you're going to have to search harder to find those numbers.
Here's an idea: take the units sold of iPods, then find out how many battery replacements have been done. Voila.
Also... that BonkBlog page has two posts on that page. One was the petition itself, Sep 13, 2003.
The next comment is Jan 3, 2004, which I will quote here:
There have been several articles published about the IPOD battery and how it is Apple's dirty secret. Well, all of the people who are complaining about the irreplaceable battery must be Americas dumbest. I am glad they are not in politics or they might be complaining about how they were victimized because Europeans refuse to speak English to them. Here is a link that has the TRUTH about the IPOD. http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/
The IPOD battery can be replaced for as low as 49$. The people who are complained about the IPOD battery must be too lazy to look for a replacement on the net. Its no wonder the USA has only one language for communication. We can't even search on the net for a battery replacement. We are too caught around the routine of calling the manufacturer. Where was the critical thinking on that one? Did you just use articles from all the dumb people?
I don't think there's much else to be said, other than there certainly wasn't a huge outpouring of outrage on that site, was there?
Did some batteries die sooner than others? Yup.
Did some die quite a bit sooner than others? Apparently.
Did the owners of those research possible solutions before becoming an incredibly annoying, misinformed, and unfortunately vocal bunch? You make the call.
Looking for an Apple US petition.
Update: Not finding one on that site.
Since that was the only iPod battery petition that showed up on that first page of Google hits, I'll let you go scanning through the rest of the Google returns for some, 'k?
But to recap... using your logic, and your search criteria, we have a total of 107 signatures so far out of ~2million iPods sold.
Wow, that's a *HUGE* problem so far there...
Sales of iPod replacement batteries
------------------------------ = rough estimate of scale of problem
Sales of iPod
Anything else is just blowing smoke... but my personal anecdotal evidence is that of the um... *counting* 14 iPod owners I know, *none* has had a battery die yet. I'm the oldest, at 2+ years. So unless we're a major statistical anomaly, the chances of it being a 'huge problem' are pretty slim.