You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.
In regards to it being carbonized already a few years ago, I used to use that arguement too (when the demo was shown)
But lately I heard that that build was just the very basics. It wasnt actually ported fully. You could only select a few tools (shown in demo) and thats it. 90% of the functionality was not there yet. So basically, they started (maybe) 2-3 years ago and have yet to finsih.
Imagine the demo Jobs gave of 10.1 a few months ago. For example whe showing the menu bar 'docklings' (volume, battery status etc), the battery status indicator was just hard coded to 77% (or whatever it was). It didnt actually work.
anyway I hope they put the same level of attention as the MacBU at MS did when making Office v.X. That really is a VERY nice piece of work. Illustrator 10 also seems to be very good
How are you so sure it will be PS 7? Im not so sure. Think about it, Adobe is most definatly a cross platform company. They are not going to release a new version of Photoshop just for users of OSX. The program must be compelling for both Mac and PC users. Illustrator 10 added support for OSX, but that was a bonus for Mac users - not the reason they upgraded the product. Adobe will not release a whole version number for simple upgrades, as was demonstrated by the 5.0 - 5.5 upgrade. Not a major upgrade, but had a few new features. I can see 6.5 with a few new features along with OSX support, not 7. PS 6 had a slew of new features, it will be difficult for them to improve on such a great product so soon.
Most likely, we will have the product in late January, and based on what I know it will be version 6.5 Basically, there will be improvements to the features that arrived with version 6 (tweaks to the Brush palette, improved vector capabilities, streamlined layer effects, etc), more so than a lot of brand new features.
Also, the fact that Illustrator 10 has just been released for OS X is a very good sign. Usually it's about a year between releases and this is when Illustrator 9 came out last year. Basically, we can assume Adobe now has the tools they need (in terms of a more mature API and OS) to get their OS X products out the door.
Photoshop 6 came out last December, so a January or February release makes sense, given the app is being written for a new OS.
The only product that at this time, that seems long overdue, is InDesign 2. That application has been in the works much longer than the others if memory serves correctly. Something on the order of 18 months now. It's available for pre-order, but who knows what that means in terms of a final release date.
Anyone know the precedent for that - how many months after a "pre-release" the actual product usually arrives? I never keep track of these things as I don't pay much attention to pre-release hype.
[quote]Anyone know the precedent for that - how many months after a "pre-release" the actual product usually arrives? I never keep track of these things as I don't pay much attention to pre-release hype.<hr></blockquote>I don't know what their usual lead time is, but it seemed like Illustrator 10 went from pre-order to shipping in just a couple of weeks.
<strong>How are you so sure it will be PS 7? Im not so sure. </strong><hr></blockquote>
They have added enough new features (which has pushed back the release date to April 2002) to justify calling it 7.0 (of course, that also lets them charge more for the upgrade).
By that time it will be almost 18 months since the release of 6.0, which is just about right for Photoshop's whole point release schedule.
They have added enough new features (which has pushed back the release date to April 2002) to justify calling it 7.0 (of course, that also lets them charge more for the upgrade).<hr></blockquote>
Where do you get that idea...that somehow version 7.0 would cost more to upgrade to than 6.5? As far as I know the upgrade price would be the same either way.
Also, seems you know about a bunch of new features and the release date. Care to elaborate?
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[quote]PHP is PHP Hypertext Preprocessor, I believe, but I'm just nitpicking ;-)<hr></blockquote>
That would make more sense, actually.
PERL, anyone?
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and yes - Photoshop will be the final nail in the OS9 coffin. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, it will be Quark and SCSI support.
here is a made up example of dreamwever code
<font color=#123456><img src=something></font><font size=2>Here</font><font size=2>is</font><font...>my</font><font>sucky</font><font>dreamweaver</font><font>web page</font>
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.
here is a made up example of dreamwever code
<font color=#123456><img src=something></font><font size=2>Here</font><font size=2>is</font><font...>my</font><font>sucky</font><font>dreamweaver</font><font>web page</font>
That looks like it's been created with Microsoft Word. If it happens in dreamweaver, just it the auto-clean code button and all that's gone.
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. </strong><hr></blockquote>
1) Try to allocate more than 436800KB of RAM
---> Crash immediately
2) Opening and saving file usually 3x slower
3) Option click outside of the working window will crash the ENTIRE Classic environment
4) Pen tools and creating selection are very jerky
5) Sometime saving file can cause serious data corruption with that file
6) Brush at the size of 100 pixel or bigger usually is slow like hell
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Im going over to do that right now wana join me?
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1) Try to allocate more than 436800KB of RAM
---> Crash immediately
I don't have that much RAM, so that's not a problem for me.
[quote]2) Opening and saving file usually 3x slower
Yes, it's slower, but not too much on my iBook.
[quote]3) Option click outside of the working window will crash the ENTIRE Classic environment<hr></blockquote>
Doesn't do that for me, I just tried.
[quote]4) Pen tools and creating selection are very jerky<hr></blockquote>
Works exactly the same as in 9 for me.
[quote]5) Sometime saving file can cause serious data corruption with that file<hr></blockquote>
I haven't seen that and I've been using Photoshop in Classic since March.
[quote]<strong>6) Brush at the size of 100 pixel or bigger usually is slow like hell</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but it's like that in OS 9 for me too, so I don't notice any difference.
[quote]Originally posted by thentro:
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Im going over to do that right now wana join me?
Well, I was going to wait until it was released first. You go ahead, I'll catch up later.
[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: MacAgent ]</p>
<strong>Remember when Photoshop 4.5 was 'carbonized' for use on Rhapsody 5 or 6 years ago?
Would that work in OS X.1?? May be a stupid question but will it?
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1) Try to allocate more than 436800KB of RAM
---> Crash immediately
Holy crap, so that was my problem. Thank you!! I should have asked somebody earlier...
In regards to it being carbonized already a few years ago, I used to use that arguement too (when the demo was shown)
But lately I heard that that build was just the very basics. It wasnt actually ported fully. You could only select a few tools (shown in demo) and thats it. 90% of the functionality was not there yet. So basically, they started (maybe) 2-3 years ago and have yet to finsih.
Imagine the demo Jobs gave of 10.1 a few months ago. For example whe showing the menu bar 'docklings' (volume, battery status etc), the battery status indicator was just hard coded to 77% (or whatever it was). It didnt actually work.
anyway I hope they put the same level of attention as the MacBU at MS did when making Office v.X. That really is a VERY nice piece of work. Illustrator 10 also seems to be very good
Also, the fact that Illustrator 10 has just been released for OS X is a very good sign. Usually it's about a year between releases and this is when Illustrator 9 came out last year. Basically, we can assume Adobe now has the tools they need (in terms of a more mature API and OS) to get their OS X products out the door.
Photoshop 6 came out last December, so a January or February release makes sense, given the app is being written for a new OS.
The only product that at this time, that seems long overdue, is InDesign 2. That application has been in the works much longer than the others if memory serves correctly. Something on the order of 18 months now. It's available for pre-order, but who knows what that means in terms of a final release date.
Anyone know the precedent for that - how many months after a "pre-release" the actual product usually arrives? I never keep track of these things as I don't pay much attention to pre-release hype.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ? ]</p>
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: nebosuke ]</p>
<strong>How are you so sure it will be PS 7? Im not so sure. </strong><hr></blockquote>
They have added enough new features (which has pushed back the release date to April 2002) to justify calling it 7.0 (of course, that also lets them charge more for the upgrade).
By that time it will be almost 18 months since the release of 6.0, which is just about right for Photoshop's whole point release schedule.
Fru
They have added enough new features (which has pushed back the release date to April 2002) to justify calling it 7.0 (of course, that also lets them charge more for the upgrade).<hr></blockquote>
Where do you get that idea...that somehow version 7.0 would cost more to upgrade to than 6.5? As far as I know the upgrade price would be the same either way.
Also, seems you know about a bunch of new features and the release date. Care to elaborate?