...tell us about some of those new features that were added that pushed the date back to April. Seems if the product is beta now, April is a bit late for release. Either it's going into Alpha soon and coming out in April...or it's coming out sooner than that. My money is on late January / early February.
Of course, if they have added some last minute features (major interface tweaks and the like), I might be willing to wait an extra month or two for a better product.
Anyone got definitive knowledge on this one? Friend-of-a-friend-of-a-beta-tester perhaps (nudge, nudge)?
Someone spill the basics (no conjecture) if ya got em:
Version number
Interface Tweaks
Biggest New Feature
I don't expect anyone besides Adobe engineers would have a clue as to the actual intended release date. That's a guess on all our parts, and I'm still guessing January or February. They're sticking to their normal development cycle as best as I can tell (from other products and from speaking with one of their engineers, who's not all that forthcoming for obvious reasons).
Even if Adobe releases Photoshop 6.5 with NO new feature but carbonization I would buy the upgrade still.....the latest version that I really paid for was 5.0.
I am using 6.0 currently however...that is the extra licence from the last company I worked
<strong>Even if Adobe releases Photoshop 6.5 with NO new feature but carbonization I would buy the upgrade still.....the latest version that I really paid for was 5.0.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But still, the sound of the whining and Adobe-bashing and petitions will still be incredible if they do that.
Leonis, don't give Adobe the wrong idea. There are lots of things - little things even - that can be improved with version 6. Things that I would expect them to do with the next version. Carbonization is not enough to justify the upgrade. Not unless it's going to be a $50 upgrade or something similarly low.
At any rate, given the number of new features on Illustrator 10 and InDesign 2, I think we can safetly assume there will be more than just carbonation stirring about in the next version of Photoshop.
Anyone know the guy at Railhead Design? He seems to have knowledge of Adobe's beta testing programs (showed some tidbits of GoLIve 6 recently)...if anyone knows him, perhaps you could get him to register here (under an alias) and comment? I dunno. I just can't believe there are no beta testers lurking around here. You'd think it would be easy enough to evade detection using a forum like this...
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.
That's what happens when a lamer tries to use DreamWeaver. If you want better code, you don't do each word seperately. You slect your paragraph and select the font size and color you want and end up with just the 2 tags.
Just because you don't know how to use DreamWeaver like some don't know how to code doesn't make DW lame
I haven't read every post in this thread, but I can tell you that Adobe didn’t announce an OS X-native version of Photoshop at Seybold. InDesign 2 was announced for “the first calendar quarter of 2002.” Surely you don’t think Adobe is going to surprise us and ship an OS X-native version of Photoshop in that same timeframe.
Bruce Chizen, now CEO of Adobe, announced that all of Adobe’s major titles would be shipping for OS X within six months. Chizen made this announcement on the morning Illustrator 10 began shipping. Mathematically, we’re talking about April. But if we’re six months out now, it’s probably safe to say that it’s really going to be seven to eight months away before we’ll actually have an OS X-native Photoshop.
When Photoshop and Spell Catcher are native, X will be my primary OS.
<strong>Anyone know the guy at Railhead Design? He seems to have knowledge of Adobe's beta testing programs (showed some tidbits of GoLIve 6 recently)...if anyone knows him, perhaps you could get him to register here (under an alias) and comment? I dunno. I just can't believe there are no beta testers lurking around here. You'd think it would be easy enough to evade detection using a forum like this...
it seems that since OS X.1, Adobe went in a hurry for announcements : Illustrator X, then InDesign 2 are among the 4 major Adobe apps with Photoshop and Premiere.
I read somewhere that InDesign 2 was sheduled for first 2002 quarter then in the Press it is often spoken of january : good news.
Golive 6 and After-effects seem to be in beta-stage according to Railhead design and other news sites (with snapshots).
Except for Illustrator, 3 months ago no one had a clue about those others even if InDesign was probable because of its "major revision upgrade" big need.
So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002
It seems that Adobe was in fact waiting for X.1
I hope that Macromedia will have its products ready for MW New York and even sooner !
On a tangent, if you read through the Illustrator 10 manual, it specifically mentions capabilities related to "GoLive 6.0" in three or four places...so my inclination is to say it should be along before Christmas. No other apps (such as InDesign 2.0 or Photoshop 7.0) were mentioned, unfortunately. Although they do mention certain new capabilities as related to those apps...perhaps there are some hints hiding among them.
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So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002.<hr></blockquote>
It's already in beta testing...but Adobe has long beta cycles (which is a good thing usually) so it remains to be seen. The good news is, by May 1 I bet we'll have them all (even Premiere and After Effects).
I believe Illustrator 10 was released so fast because of freehand 10... Thightly integrated with Flash this is Macromedias biggest competitor to adobe, except maybe golive to dreamweaver...
BTW, I use golive as HTML editor with the textwindow as default... The code looks exactly like I want it to, and I can easily check the layout or select the right cells in a table. I've tried to convert to dreamweaver and BBE but I guess i'm just stuck with this piece of software... (been using it since it was called cyberstudio...)
[quote] That's what happens when a lamer tries to use DreamWeaver. If you want better code, you don't do each word seperately. You slect your paragraph and select the font size and color you want and end up with just the 2 tags.<hr></blockquote>
You know what's sillier than using a million font tags in DW?
Using font tags at all. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
It's just slightly easier to write one Stylesheet and then link it to every page.
DW does NOT write good clean code, it's very easy to add additional worthless code on top of bad code, and it's hardly WYSIWYG.
Ever looked at the Javascript it writes?
*shudder*
I won't even mention the exclusion of DOCTYPES barring the add-on you can download by choice.
I don't think that there was ever a demonstration of Photoshop 4.5 on Rhapsody. I think the keynote you are referring to is the one where Steve Jobs launched the OS X concept - where a port of Photoshop was shown running on an early version of X.
Remember Adobe had never supported Rhapsody - it would have required the rewriting Photoshop entirely in Cocoa (Yellow Box). None of the major developers were willing to do a Cocoa (Yellow Box) port, which is why OS X was introduced with the Carbon framework. Carbon allows developers to re-use a lot of the old OS9 code because it has most of the old APIs.
In the demo of Photoshop on OS X - which as I recall Jobs claimed took Adobe only two weeks to port - OS X was a very different animal. It had the platinum user interface rather than Aqua for starters. I suspect that there were more OS 9 APIs still available at that point - and yes I'm sure it only had a limited feature set. There's no way it would work on today's OS X.
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Being Politically Correct is retarded.
If that's true, thank god! Just give me Dreamweaver, and a working Unreal Tournament (still can't get it to work) and I'm set in OS X for good.
...tell us about some of those new features that were added that pushed the date back to April. Seems if the product is beta now, April is a bit late for release. Either it's going into Alpha soon and coming out in April...or it's coming out sooner than that. My money is on late January / early February.
Of course, if they have added some last minute features (major interface tweaks and the like), I might be willing to wait an extra month or two for a better product.
Anyone got definitive knowledge on this one? Friend-of-a-friend-of-a-beta-tester perhaps (nudge, nudge)?
Someone spill the basics (no conjecture) if ya got em:
Version number
Interface Tweaks
Biggest New Feature
I don't expect anyone besides Adobe engineers would have a clue as to the actual intended release date. That's a guess on all our parts, and I'm still guessing January or February. They're sticking to their normal development cycle as best as I can tell (from other products and from speaking with one of their engineers, who's not all that forthcoming for obvious reasons).
[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ? ]</p>
I am using 6.0 currently however...that is the extra licence from the last company I worked
<strong>Even if Adobe releases Photoshop 6.5 with NO new feature but carbonization I would buy the upgrade still.....the latest version that I really paid for was 5.0.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But still, the sound of the whining and Adobe-bashing and petitions will still be incredible if they do that.
At any rate, given the number of new features on Illustrator 10 and InDesign 2, I think we can safetly assume there will be more than just carbonation stirring about in the next version of Photoshop.
:cool:
BTW. Anyone remembers when Adobe releaese Illustrator 7? Only one new tool and a newer interface and that was it.....
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.
here is a made up example of dreamwever code
<font color=#123456><img src=something></font><font size=2>Here</font><font size=2>is</font><font...>my</font><font>sucky</font><font>dreamweaver</font><font>web page</font>
That's what happens when a lamer tries to use DreamWeaver. If you want better code, you don't do each word seperately. You slect your paragraph and select the font size and color you want and end up with just the 2 tags.
Just because you don't know how to use DreamWeaver like some don't know how to code doesn't make DW lame
I haven't read every post in this thread, but I can tell you that Adobe didn’t announce an OS X-native version of Photoshop at Seybold. InDesign 2 was announced for “the first calendar quarter of 2002.” Surely you don’t think Adobe is going to surprise us and ship an OS X-native version of Photoshop in that same timeframe.
Bruce Chizen, now CEO of Adobe, announced that all of Adobe’s major titles would be shipping for OS X within six months. Chizen made this announcement on the morning Illustrator 10 began shipping. Mathematically, we’re talking about April. But if we’re six months out now, it’s probably safe to say that it’s really going to be seven to eight months away before we’ll actually have an OS X-native Photoshop.
When Photoshop and Spell Catcher are native, X will be my primary OS.
Sincerely,
Jaddie
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[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: Jaddie ]</p>
<strong>Anyone know the guy at Railhead Design? He seems to have knowledge of Adobe's beta testing programs (showed some tidbits of GoLIve 6 recently)...if anyone knows him, perhaps you could get him to register here (under an alias) and comment? I dunno. I just can't believe there are no beta testers lurking around here. You'd think it would be easy enough to evade detection using a forum like this...
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Golive has been circulating around the warez channels for a few weeks now. Don't need any "inside" info from Adobe to get that
I read somewhere that InDesign 2 was sheduled for first 2002 quarter then in the Press it is often spoken of january : good news.
Golive 6 and After-effects seem to be in beta-stage according to Railhead design and other news sites (with snapshots).
Except for Illustrator, 3 months ago no one had a clue about those others even if InDesign was probable because of its "major revision upgrade" big need.
So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002
It seems that Adobe was in fact waiting for X.1
I hope that Macromedia will have its products ready for MW New York and even sooner !
[quote]
So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002.<hr></blockquote>
It's already in beta testing...but Adobe has long beta cycles (which is a good thing usually) so it remains to be seen. The good news is, by May 1 I bet we'll have them all (even Premiere and After Effects).
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ? ]</p>
JHTML anyone? (AGP)
I believe Illustrator 10 was released so fast because of freehand 10... Thightly integrated with Flash this is Macromedias biggest competitor to adobe, except maybe golive to dreamweaver...
BTW, I use golive as HTML editor with the textwindow as default... The code looks exactly like I want it to, and I can easily check the layout or select the right cells in a table. I've tried to convert to dreamweaver and BBE but I guess i'm just stuck with this piece of software... (been using it since it was called cyberstudio...)
Completley Obsolete Boring Old Language?
You know what's sillier than using a million font tags in DW?
Using font tags at all. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
It's just slightly easier to write one Stylesheet and then link it to every page.
DW does NOT write good clean code, it's very easy to add additional worthless code on top of bad code, and it's hardly WYSIWYG.
Ever looked at the Javascript it writes?
*shudder*
I won't even mention the exclusion of DOCTYPES barring the add-on you can download by choice.
Remember Adobe had never supported Rhapsody - it would have required the rewriting Photoshop entirely in Cocoa (Yellow Box). None of the major developers were willing to do a Cocoa (Yellow Box) port, which is why OS X was introduced with the Carbon framework. Carbon allows developers to re-use a lot of the old OS9 code because it has most of the old APIs.
In the demo of Photoshop on OS X - which as I recall Jobs claimed took Adobe only two weeks to port - OS X was a very different animal. It had the platinum user interface rather than Aqua for starters. I suspect that there were more OS 9 APIs still available at that point - and yes I'm sure it only had a limited feature set. There's no way it would work on today's OS X.