at least the 20" for dell and apple all use the same LG display. If Apple does get the best of the panels then they should rethink the ones they use in the 23" with the pink cast....
Maybe Apple is building up stock with the new PM revision. Eventually there will be less waiting times and everybody gets their machine within 5 working days or less if you go at apple store.
The dream is over, when Apple releases them their will be waiting times of a month.
Maybe Apple is building up stock with the new PM revision.
One wonders if lost sales now - for those who are waiting - on the PM line won't partly be made up through a lot of people like me, who want the last PPC desktop - coming soon? Paris? - to hold us through and into the Intel transition. New PM purchase this fall - and then again in 3 years (or sooner, $$ and impressive performance permitting).
FWIW, MOSR is talking up a new PM with PCI express - seems logical - and perhaps dual-cores. I'm counting on that being in '05, not '06... shipping updated PPC PMs too near the time (and press) of shipping Intel-based PBs or Minis seems like an poor path to take.
Ok... so the rumors indicate they could be releasing a new PM. Now, will it be at the IBC event, before Paris, @Paris or later on? Also, what is the general idea of what will be revealed?
I imagine that the current G5 chips line up will go down the food chain into the imac and so on.
GUESSITMATES:
Dual Core Dual 2.5
Dual Core Dual 2.3
Dual Core Dual 2.0
SATA
PCI E
What ever is on it's way hopefully the price points will stay inline with current offerings. Or we could all be let down again on false hopes and rumors!
Ok... so the rumors indicate they could be releasing a new PM. Now, will it be at the IBC event, before Paris, @Paris or later on? Also, what is the general idea of what will be revealed?
I imagine that the current G5 chips line up will go down the food chain into the imac and so on.
GUESSITMATES:
Dual Core Dual 2.5
Dual Core Dual 2.3
Dual Core Dual 2.0
SATA
PCI E
What ever is on it's way hopefully the price points will stay inline with current offerings. Or we could all be let down again on false hopes and rumors!
"Realistic Bet"? Not very. You want a "realistic bet", here's one:
IBC: Nothing (perhaps the ROKR phone)
Paris: Flash mini iPod.
.Mac improvements.
No new PMs or Xserves until the Intel versions come out. Those "great new PPC products in the pipeline"? A 7448-based iBook at MWSF.
Bad day today?
IBM has announced the availability of the 970MP(for testing?). The transition won't be complete until end of 2007. For what reason would Apple not use the 970MP in a Powermac or an Xserve.
plus, they have had them in the works for quite some time..... infact a long time! CHUD tools gave insite to that in March 05.....Wait until intel.... that is a long ways off for the PM's. An Adobe article today said it would be late 2006 to early 2007 before CS would be ready for intel macs... that is from Adobe....not rumor!
...For what reason would Apple not use the 970MP in a Powermac or an Xserve.
OK, here is a list, from complex to simple.
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
3. The chips are expensive, will be delayed, etc.
4. Intel will tell them not to.
I say hogwash! This is a PowerMac thread. If your speaking in reference to iMacs, iBooks, and Minis that could be true, but all the Pro level PC's are available with Dual Duals so putting merely one dual core processor in a PowerMac would be PowerMac suicide.
BTW, Intel wont be telling Apple to do sh*t. Intel wont be designing the Mac, Apple will.
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
3. The chips are expensive, will be delayed, etc.
4. Intel will tell them not to.
I just read today that Adobe is saying their Creative Suite may not be ported to Mac OS X on Intel until 4th Quarter 2006 or 1st Quarter 2007.
The implication here is obvious. Apple must offer faster G5's( the 970MP for example) or completely lose this market.
1. ?
2.I'd venture to say the design has been finished for months now.
3.The G5 dual core chips will be smaller than Intels using less transistors and probably will cost less.
4.Intel at this point could care less. They are looking to the future not the present.
I just read today that Adobe is saying their Creative Suite may not be ported to Mac OS X on Intel until 4th Quarter 2006 or 1st Quarter 2007.
The implication here is obvious. Apple must offer faster G5's( the 970MP for example) or completely lose this market.
That's right, and Q4'06 is probably the right quarter for Intel's PowerMacs which certainly will use Woodcrest CPUs (and not Conroe CPUs, except in the low range).
I believe Apple HAS to update the PM line with Dual-Core CPUs for at least a year and make at least ONE dual-dual-core model (dual 2.0, dual 2.5 and dual-dual 2.0 if not 2.5 - and the best would be dual 2.5, dual-dual 2.0 and dual dual 2.5).
This will help waiting for the Woodcrest CPUs with dual-core and dual processor support.
Apple needs the support from software developpers to make the switch a success. Now I'm not sure will see MacTels before june '06, some 3rd parties SW has to be available, I'm sure Apple is working hard on that part of the switch, but we have no information yet!
So, lets bring the G4/G5 updates before the end of the year, so sales can continue...
7448 powerbooks up to 1.8GHz, sept-oct '05
970MP powermacs dual-dual 2.5GHz, nov '05 (or jan '06)
iMac speedbump 2.5GHz, dual 2.0Ghz, dec '05 (or mar '06)
... but all the Pro level PC's are available with Dual Duals so ...
I was just supplying the reasons as requested.
There are some (not "all") pro level PCs with dual-duals, but they don't use Intel processors. Woodcrests in late 2006 will be $1k+ each chips, so I wouldn't expect them in PMs.
You guys can all be optimistic, go ahead. I hope, with you, that I'm proved wrong.
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http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400
http://www.barefeats.com/lcd.html
at least the 20" for dell and apple all use the same LG display. If Apple does get the best of the panels then they should rethink the ones they use in the 23" with the pink cast....
sorry to go off topic... and now back to PM's!
anyday now? right?
The dream is over, when Apple releases them their will be waiting times of a month.
Originally posted by fieldor
Maybe Apple is building up stock with the new PM revision.
One wonders if lost sales now - for those who are waiting - on the PM line won't partly be made up through a lot of people like me, who want the last PPC desktop - coming soon? Paris? - to hold us through and into the Intel transition. New PM purchase this fall - and then again in 3 years (or sooner, $$ and impressive performance permitting).
FWIW, MOSR is talking up a new PM with PCI express - seems logical - and perhaps dual-cores. I'm counting on that being in '05, not '06... shipping updated PPC PMs too near the time (and press) of shipping Intel-based PBs or Minis seems like an poor path to take.
I read the same just a few hours ago and they took their info from macobserver and they tend do this all the time.
I imagine that the current G5 chips line up will go down the food chain into the imac and so on.
GUESSITMATES:
Dual Core Dual 2.5
Dual Core Dual 2.3
Dual Core Dual 2.0
SATA
PCI E
What ever is on it's way hopefully the price points will stay inline with current offerings. Or we could all be let down again on false hopes and rumors!
Originally posted by namachtag
Ok... so the rumors indicate they could be releasing a new PM. Now, will it be at the IBC event, before Paris, @Paris or later on? Also, what is the general idea of what will be revealed?
I imagine that the current G5 chips line up will go down the food chain into the imac and so on.
GUESSITMATES:
Dual Core Dual 2.5
Dual Core Dual 2.3
Dual Core Dual 2.0
SATA
PCI E
What ever is on it's way hopefully the price points will stay inline with current offerings. Or we could all be let down again on false hopes and rumors!
My hopeful bet: @IBC
Dual Dual 2.7 GHz
Dual Dual 2.3 GHz
Dual 2.3 GHz
SATA-2
DDR2
PCI-e
Realistic Bet: @Paris
Dual Dual 2.5 GHz
Dual 2.5
Dual 2.3
SATA 1
DDR
AGP
Originally posted by KidRed
When is IBC and when is Paris?
IBC is Sept. 9-13
Paris is Sept 20-24
Originally posted by jherrling
... Realistic Bet: @Paris
...
"Realistic Bet"? Not very. You want a "realistic bet", here's one:
IBC: Nothing (perhaps the ROKR phone)
Paris: Flash mini iPod.
.Mac improvements.
No new PMs or Xserves until the Intel versions come out. Those "great new PPC products in the pipeline"? A 7448-based iBook at MWSF.
Originally posted by cubist
"Realistic Bet"? Not very. You want a "realistic bet", here's one:
IBC: Nothing (perhaps the ROKR phone)
Paris: Flash mini iPod.
.Mac improvements.
No new PMs or Xserves until the Intel versions come out. Those "great new PPC products in the pipeline"? A 7448-based iBook at MWSF.
Bad day today?
IBM has announced the availability of the 970MP(for testing?). The transition won't be complete until end of 2007. For what reason would Apple not use the 970MP in a Powermac or an Xserve.
Originally posted by cubist
[B]"Realistic Bet"?
Eesh. I'm hoping - pretty much counting - on a new PM in the near future (Paris?) - offered by Apple, and on my desk soon after.
Originally posted by rickag
...For what reason would Apple not use the 970MP in a Powermac or an Xserve.
OK, here is a list, from complex to simple.
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
3. The chips are expensive, will be delayed, etc.
4. Intel will tell them not to.
Originally posted by cubist
OK, here is a list, from complex to simple.
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
3. The chips are expensive, will be delayed, etc.
4. Intel will tell them not to.
I say hogwash! This is a PowerMac thread. If your speaking in reference to iMacs, iBooks, and Minis that could be true, but all the Pro level PC's are available with Dual Duals so putting merely one dual core processor in a PowerMac would be PowerMac suicide.
BTW, Intel wont be telling Apple to do sh*t. Intel wont be designing the Mac, Apple will.
Originally posted by cubist
OK, here is a list, from complex to simple.
1. Because the Intel Macs will be dual-core but not dual-processor, they don't want to sell any dual-duals. But a single-processor PM is a huge waste of space.
2. They don't want to waste any money on G5 product design or development. (Allegedly all the staff has been pulled out of this area for some time.)
3. The chips are expensive, will be delayed, etc.
4. Intel will tell them not to.
I just read today that Adobe is saying their Creative Suite may not be ported to Mac OS X on Intel until 4th Quarter 2006 or 1st Quarter 2007.
The implication here is obvious. Apple must offer faster G5's( the 970MP for example) or completely lose this market.
1. ?
2.I'd venture to say the design has been finished for months now.
3.The G5 dual core chips will be smaller than Intels using less transistors and probably will cost less.
4.Intel at this point could care less. They are looking to the future not the present.
Originally posted by rickag
I just read today that Adobe is saying their Creative Suite may not be ported to Mac OS X on Intel until 4th Quarter 2006 or 1st Quarter 2007.
The implication here is obvious. Apple must offer faster G5's( the 970MP for example) or completely lose this market.
That's right, and Q4'06 is probably the right quarter for Intel's PowerMacs which certainly will use Woodcrest CPUs (and not Conroe CPUs, except in the low range).
I believe Apple HAS to update the PM line with Dual-Core CPUs for at least a year and make at least ONE dual-dual-core model (dual 2.0, dual 2.5 and dual-dual 2.0 if not 2.5 - and the best would be dual 2.5, dual-dual 2.0 and dual dual 2.5).
This will help waiting for the Woodcrest CPUs with dual-core and dual processor support.
Apple needs the support from software developpers to make the switch a success. Now I'm not sure will see MacTels before june '06, some 3rd parties SW has to be available, I'm sure Apple is working hard on that part of the switch, but we have no information yet!
So, lets bring the G4/G5 updates before the end of the year, so sales can continue...
7448 powerbooks up to 1.8GHz, sept-oct '05
970MP powermacs dual-dual 2.5GHz, nov '05 (or jan '06)
iMac speedbump 2.5GHz, dual 2.0Ghz, dec '05 (or mar '06)
Mac mini yonah dual 2.0GHz: jun '06
iBook yonah dual 2.0GHz: aug '06
PowerBook merom dual 2.5GHz: oct '06
PowerMac woodcrest dual-dual 3.0GHz: jan '07
iMac conroe dual 3.0Ghz: mar '07
Xserve whitefield dual-quad 3.0Ghz: jun '07
Originally posted by onlooker
... but all the Pro level PC's are available with Dual Duals so ...
I was just supplying the reasons as requested.
There are some (not "all") pro level PCs with dual-duals, but they don't use Intel processors. Woodcrests in late 2006 will be $1k+ each chips, so I wouldn't expect them in PMs.
You guys can all be optimistic, go ahead. I hope, with you, that I'm proved wrong.