In any event a real performance boost to the ibooks would not have been objectionable at this point maybe even advantageous given the school buying is about to start.
Dave
This school buying season thing is made up by analysists.
Most school systems purchase throughout the year and if they do have a set period of purchase time usually place orders before the close of the school year in may/june with delivery of systems sometime in august/september.
The performance difference between the ibook and the powerBook means nothing with respect to sales in the coming months. So why not a decent ibook when the intel Powerbooks are just around the corner?
Dave, I think you are too quick to draw conclusions about when the Intel transition will actually start. I believe, and the recent Freescale announcement supports this, that Apple will update the Powerbooks in this autumn's Apple expo with the new 7448 chip, or a little there after. Until then, the iBook cannot get better than the Powerbook is right now. It is as simple as that.
LOL, the people bitching about the updates have a serious weed up their asses. It's exactly what I was expecting. Boy am I glad I bought my powerbook when I did.
I'm buying an iBook... in the Spring, just like I've planned to do for almost a year now right before my wife loses her student discount. I should be just in time for an Intel-based iBook.
Man... WHERE THE HECK IS THE G5 LAPTOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw iBooks. Screw powerbook. Gimmie a darn G5 laptop!!!!!!
Oh boy, give it a rest...
Even if Apple did introduce a dual-core G5 notebook with 24 hour battery life, widescreen 1920x1080 pixel screen, etc. in a slim, 1 lb package selling for $25, our friends on this forum would still find fault in it.
4) This was an expected update to the ibook. I never expected a widescreen ibook. I expected 512 MB ram standard. What I didn't expect was it being built in.
5)The ibooks are in a way better then the 12" Powerbook. 512 MB ram built in in ibook vs 256 for 12" powerbook. Once again with ram, ibook max 1.5 GB 12" Powerbook 1.25 GB max.
I didn't catch that at first- figured they just included a 256MB DIMM standard. This is a very cool stealth feature. You can now upgrade yourself to a full Gig of RAM for 50 bucks, which rocks. A small thing, but it alleviates one of the major design compromises of the iBook (and 12" PB).
I let the rumors get my hopes up a bit about a 13" widescreen, but we all should know better. Apple redesigns their laptops about every three years, and it just doesn't make any sense for them to do a major redesign right before the Intel switch, when they'll have to do a redesign anyway. Generating a little excitement over a new form factor (and/or colors) will also help ease anxiety over the switch. I just helped my cousin order a Dell 700M, with the 12" 1280x800 screen, and I fully expect a form factor like that to be the new iBook. But it just doesn't make any sense to introduce that now. I can only hope they'll have the IntelBooks ready for January, rather than waiting until next summer.
Depends what you want to do, for me, yes. The iBook simply does not meet my needs. I need to use my big external Apple cinema display, and you cannot do that with the iBook.
You know that display spanning is only disabled in firmware, and there's a one-click program that will enable it? Works great. Yeah, Apple should enable it themselves, and yeah, it's an unsupported hack, but if spanning is your major concern it's surely not worth spending an extra $500 (minimum) on a Powerbook just for a little peace of mind?
This school buying season thing is made up by analysists.
Most school systems purchase throughout the year and if they do have a set period of purchase time usually place orders before the close of the school year in may/june with delivery of systems sometime in august/september.
Actually, it's not. Most school systems plan for next year during the end of the last school year. during the summer they often upgrade or replace labs, etc.
Here in NYC, half of the years computers are purchased during the summer. The other half is purchased during the rest of the entire year.
Even when machines are ordered during the last semester, they aren't delivered until the summer, and therefore aren't booked until that period becuse that's when they are paid for.
Why are people still stuck in ibook G3 days? I guess more people live in the past then I thought. Well the iMac G5's with problems were Rev a's. Rev A's have bugs! iBook G4's don't suffer from the logic board problem.
Maybe its because I, and many people, still have a G3 iBook. You know, we believed all you who said Macs had a lower TCO because you could use them longer then comparable PCs. Ha! If the screen doesn't go out first, you mean!
As for the iMacs, people with Rev B's are having the same problems (keep in mind the Rev B's just came out, and it takes some of these issues time to reveal themselves).
Oh, and I forgot about the mini's dim video problems.
And all the problems people have had with the powerbooks (damn, there goes another hinge!).
I guess you're fine with Apple slapping together a computer, and basically let people do the long-term testing of it to see where all the problems are so they can finally fix it in the Rev C or D machines. Me, I would kind of hope that the Rev A could actually stand up to the stress of being kept on for more than 8 hours at a time. But maybe I expect too much. Apple has to worry about looks, not functionality or quality. I mean, when I was looking for a tower, I stupidly assumed that one that was bigger then any other computer out there would have the most internal storage space, and it turns out it has the least. But, hey, that cheese grater sure looks good!
+11% in 9 months (1.67 vs. 1.5Ghz - Apr04 to Jan05)
+13% in 8 months (1.5 vs. 1.33Ghz - Sep03 to Apr04)
+33% in 10 months (1.33 vs. 1Ghz - Nov02 to Sep03)
Main Pentium-M (Centrino) updates:
+8% in 9 months (2.26 vs. 2.1Ghz - Oct04 to Jul05)
+5% in 5 months (2.1 vs. 2Ghz - May04 to Oct04)
+18% in 11 months (2 vs. 1.7Ghz - Jun03 to May04)
+6% in 3 months (1.7 vs. 1.6Ghz - Mar03 to Jun03)
or summarized:
G4: +67% in 27 months
P-M: +41% in 28 months
Sure, the Pentium-M has a much faster bus and noticeably more L2 cache, but its progress is not better (in fact even worse) than that of the G4, but nobody is blaiming Intel or Dell for their lackluster updates.
(o.k. the P-M bus speed has increased by 33%, the G4 bus only by 26%, and doubling of the L2 cache, which both processors got, was discounted with the G4 by the removal of the L3 cache, but adding the 7448 to the game, the G4 would be ahead on these points as well)
Just a quick point to those commenting on the price increase in Europe. I personally think this is related to the stronger $, and Apple felt now was the best time to adjust their prices.
Just a quick point to those commenting on the price increase in Europe. I personally think this is related to the stronger $, and Apple felt now was the best time to adjust their prices.
Exactly, it surprises me always why people keep ignoring the obvious things. Just complaining, without even thinking for one second.
Actually, it's not. Most school systems plan for next year during the end of the last school year. during the summer they often upgrade or replace labs, etc.
Here in NYC, half of the years computers are purchased during the summer. The other half is purchased during the rest of the entire year.
Even when machines are ordered during the last semester, they aren't delivered until the summer, and therefore aren't booked until that period becuse that's when they are paid for.
As someone who works in the NYC Department of Education and is in charge of all computer purchases for my school I can assure you that you are indeed wrong.
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Originally posted by wizard69
In any event a real performance boost to the ibooks would not have been objectionable at this point maybe even advantageous given the school buying is about to start.
Dave
This school buying season thing is made up by analysists.
Most school systems purchase throughout the year and if they do have a set period of purchase time usually place orders before the close of the school year in may/june with delivery of systems sometime in august/september.
Originally posted by baranovich
I agree completely, what are they thinking???
You don't know?
How do you think they plan on making the Mactel line up look so good?
Originally posted by Dave Marsh
Basically, they threw everything in that they could for this final version of the G4 iBook, just as they did for the G4 PowerBook earlier.
Originally posted by wizard69
The performance difference between the ibook and the powerBook means nothing with respect to sales in the coming months. So why not a decent ibook when the intel Powerbooks are just around the corner?
Dave, I think you are too quick to draw conclusions about when the Intel transition will actually start. I believe, and the recent Freescale announcement supports this, that Apple will update the Powerbooks in this autumn's Apple expo with the new 7448 chip, or a little there after. Until then, the iBook cannot get better than the Powerbook is right now. It is as simple as that.
Screw iBooks. Screw powerbook. Gimmie a darn G5 laptop!!!!!!
What about Steve Jobs Comment at the beginning of the Year, that 2005 would be the year of HD!
As far as I know 1024x768 is not HD!
Originally posted by oberpongo
no Widescreen?????
What about Steve Jobs Comment at the beginning of the Year, that 2005 would be the year of HD!
As far as I know 1024x768 is not HD!
It depends on how close you are to the display
Originally posted by BEatMaKeR
Man... WHERE THE HECK IS THE G5 LAPTOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw iBooks. Screw powerbook. Gimmie a darn G5 laptop!!!!!!
Oh boy, give it a rest...
Even if Apple did introduce a dual-core G5 notebook with 24 hour battery life, widescreen 1920x1080 pixel screen, etc. in a slim, 1 lb package selling for $25, our friends on this forum would still find fault in it.
Originally posted by quagmire
4) This was an expected update to the ibook. I never expected a widescreen ibook. I expected 512 MB ram standard. What I didn't expect was it being built in.
5)The ibooks are in a way better then the 12" Powerbook. 512 MB ram built in in ibook vs 256 for 12" powerbook. Once again with ram, ibook max 1.5 GB 12" Powerbook 1.25 GB max.
I didn't catch that at first- figured they just included a 256MB DIMM standard. This is a very cool stealth feature. You can now upgrade yourself to a full Gig of RAM for 50 bucks, which rocks. A small thing, but it alleviates one of the major design compromises of the iBook (and 12" PB).
I let the rumors get my hopes up a bit about a 13" widescreen, but we all should know better. Apple redesigns their laptops about every three years, and it just doesn't make any sense for them to do a major redesign right before the Intel switch, when they'll have to do a redesign anyway. Generating a little excitement over a new form factor (and/or colors) will also help ease anxiety over the switch. I just helped my cousin order a Dell 700M, with the 12" 1280x800 screen, and I fully expect a form factor like that to be the new iBook. But it just doesn't make any sense to introduce that now. I can only hope they'll have the IntelBooks ready for January, rather than waiting until next summer.
Originally posted by ibook911
Depends what you want to do, for me, yes. The iBook simply does not meet my needs. I need to use my big external Apple cinema display, and you cannot do that with the iBook.
You know that display spanning is only disabled in firmware, and there's a one-click program that will enable it? Works great. Yeah, Apple should enable it themselves, and yeah, it's an unsupported hack, but if spanning is your major concern it's surely not worth spending an extra $500 (minimum) on a Powerbook just for a little peace of mind?
Originally posted by Bronxite
This school buying season thing is made up by analysists.
Most school systems purchase throughout the year and if they do have a set period of purchase time usually place orders before the close of the school year in may/june with delivery of systems sometime in august/september.
Actually, it's not. Most school systems plan for next year during the end of the last school year. during the summer they often upgrade or replace labs, etc.
Here in NYC, half of the years computers are purchased during the summer. The other half is purchased during the rest of the entire year.
Even when machines are ordered during the last semester, they aren't delivered until the summer, and therefore aren't booked until that period becuse that's when they are paid for.
Originally posted by quagmire
Why are people still stuck in ibook G3 days? I guess more people live in the past then I thought. Well the iMac G5's with problems were Rev a's. Rev A's have bugs! iBook G4's don't suffer from the logic board problem.
Maybe its because I, and many people, still have a G3 iBook. You know, we believed all you who said Macs had a lower TCO because you could use them longer then comparable PCs. Ha! If the screen doesn't go out first, you mean!
As for the iMacs, people with Rev B's are having the same problems (keep in mind the Rev B's just came out, and it takes some of these issues time to reveal themselves).
Oh, and I forgot about the mini's dim video problems.
And all the problems people have had with the powerbooks (damn, there goes another hinge!).
I guess you're fine with Apple slapping together a computer, and basically let people do the long-term testing of it to see where all the problems are so they can finally fix it in the Rev C or D machines. Me, I would kind of hope that the Rev A could actually stand up to the stress of being kept on for more than 8 hours at a time. But maybe I expect too much. Apple has to worry about looks, not functionality or quality. I mean, when I was looking for a tower, I stupidly assumed that one that was bigger then any other computer out there would have the most internal storage space, and it turns out it has the least. But, hey, that cheese grater sure looks good!
+11% in 9 months (1.67 vs. 1.5Ghz - Apr04 to Jan05)
+13% in 8 months (1.5 vs. 1.33Ghz - Sep03 to Apr04)
+33% in 10 months (1.33 vs. 1Ghz - Nov02 to Sep03)
Main Pentium-M (Centrino) updates:
+8% in 9 months (2.26 vs. 2.1Ghz - Oct04 to Jul05)
+5% in 5 months (2.1 vs. 2Ghz - May04 to Oct04)
+18% in 11 months (2 vs. 1.7Ghz - Jun03 to May04)
+6% in 3 months (1.7 vs. 1.6Ghz - Mar03 to Jun03)
or summarized:
G4: +67% in 27 months
P-M: +41% in 28 months
Sure, the Pentium-M has a much faster bus and noticeably more L2 cache, but its progress is not better (in fact even worse) than that of the G4, but nobody is blaiming Intel or Dell for their lackluster updates.
(o.k. the P-M bus speed has increased by 33%, the G4 bus only by 26%, and doubling of the L2 cache, which both processors got, was discounted with the G4 by the removal of the L3 cache, but adding the 7448 to the game, the G4 would be ahead on these points as well)
Originally posted by BEatMaKeR
Screw iBooks. Screw powerbook. Gimmie a darn G5 laptop!!!!!!
Apparently you missed the WWDC 2005 keynote. You could see there the G5 Powerbook that Apple... failed to deliver
Originally posted by your_ad_here
Just a quick point to those commenting on the price increase in Europe. I personally think this is related to the stronger $, and Apple felt now was the best time to adjust their prices.
Exactly, it surprises me always why people keep ignoring the obvious things. Just complaining, without even thinking for one second.
Originally posted by melgross
Actually, it's not. Most school systems plan for next year during the end of the last school year. during the summer they often upgrade or replace labs, etc.
Here in NYC, half of the years computers are purchased during the summer. The other half is purchased during the rest of the entire year.
Even when machines are ordered during the last semester, they aren't delivered until the summer, and therefore aren't booked until that period becuse that's when they are paid for.
As someone who works in the NYC Department of Education and is in charge of all computer purchases for my school I can assure you that you are indeed wrong.