Apple didn´t piss of Adobe, they asked to collaborate with Adobe in certain Applications, like iPhoto and iMovie, but Adobe says, no, we have other plans... Steve Jobs told that story in the past, I don´t remember where I read it. So then Apple go and bought Final Cut Pro
I remember reading that. It wasn't actually Final Cut Pro that came from that but rather iLife. Apple went to Adobe and said "could you make a small consumer oriented video editing and dvd burning app" Adobe said no and Apple went and pieced together a iLife.
It's obvious that Adobe and Apple's relationship is fine because Adobe could have hit the road when the latest Mac transition of the month was announced.
Regarding Apple Photo Pro. If this app ever sees the light of day I doubt that it pisses Adobe off. Apple Photo Pro sounds to me like iPhoto on steroids. It will probably me much less about editing photos and much more about managing them.
I know a few Photographers and they are fine with their Photoshop workflows but PS is a editing app first and foremost and they needs something that bridges the gap between management and editing. Apple could insert themselves here as a PS helper app.
I think along with hardware upgrades, the only thing Apple will announce in regard to Adobe, would be a partnership of something that Adobe can show off at their booth the next day. Does Apple have a booth at PhotoWhatever?
I don't see that there is any upside to competing more with Adobe in the photo market.
Neither Apple nor Adobe have an app that really organizes a photo shoot from packing to final download and editing. If Apple hopes to create a seperate product for photographers they need a program that can facilitate a nice shoot from start to finish.
Anytime you mention graphics some bleats about Adobe. Adobe is NOT graphics they are simply a graphics vendor.
Ironically Apple's app will more likely directly compete with Capture One; a small company with a one man Mac development team, but none the less they have had the mindshare s "the professional worklfow" folks. Up until recently the RAW conversion software was generally regarded as superior to Adobe's ACR as well.
Adobe's made some inroads into workflow with Bridge, but they are still not a top down solution, and while Bridge is a lovely idea, in all aspects beyond integration with Adobe apps it's been a huge disappointment.
I am sure that Apple fully intends to take on Photoshop...
Just on their schedule...
Much like they are doing with Motion (very powerful app for 300 bucks, not quite an AE killer, but working towards it; for what it does, it does it VERY well), they will also do with this new Pro photo app...
Not quite a Photoshop killer, but for what it does...
It's all about long-term erosion of the competitor's marketshare/user base...
Ten years from now, folks may just be using Apple boxes with very well designed Apple software and be saying "Yeah, I remember Adobe..."
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.
Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.
Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." ..... Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
i agree with you but imagine for a second though that apple came out with a "photoshop-killer" that did something like full node-based non-destructive gpu-accelerated (hence near-realtime) masking, effects, crops, scales, typography, etc, while still maintaining the workflow conventions of photoshop.... although in any case very unlikely that this will be announced 1. this weekend 2. pre-intel-transition
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.
Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.
Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
I would think the part of my post that mentioned 'ten years from now' would indicate that I didn't think Apple was going to announce (and market as such) a 'Photoshop killer' app...
And if Adobe would just start using CI calls, then Apple wouldn't have to 'kill' them in the future...
well i know i did seriously. pages is simpler, more elegant, and more fun for just typing up "we will be closed on monday" type notices and simple letters.
Another issue I was thinking of. With 37inch 1900x1200 LCDs on the market for around $2,000, Apple's 30inch LCD is looking a bit pricey.
Size matters not - resolution does. A 37" 1900x1200 LCD is in no way shape or form a competition to a 30" ACD, unless you use it to watch TV or maybe play games.
They will probably introduce new displays, as the 20-inch iMac has better specs than 20-inch cinema display when it comes to brightness and contrast ratio.
So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
...So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
That would be good, would be an opportunity to have new enclosures and follow the look through the displays and Powerbooks. Has to be better this way than when the G5 was intro'd and the silver/plastic displays carried on for ages afterwards.
They will probably introduce new displays, as the 20-inch iMac has better specs than 20-inch cinema display when it comes to brightness and contrast ratio.
So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
I am afraid so. Good catch though on the display specs. I had not noticed that the new iMac has so much an improved display. In paper at least.
With the new thin iSight, they'll introduce another iPod on the 19th. This time it will do more than just store photos and video... it'll capture them as well. After all, Apple is an iPod company now, more than a computer company.
There's your pro photography tie in - an iPod with photoBooth. The screen will act as the flash.
mad props to kresh and mac mini OC'ers. all that jumper soldering and stuff. shure takes more skill than a "overclock by 10% please" BIOS option
(edit: posted on an amd64 venice 3000+ OC'ed 1.8ghz to 2.34ghz )
Wasn't too bad, my mini is an original 1.25, so all I had to do is remove all but one jumper, I didn't have to bridge a connection. Although even with a magnifying glass the jumpers are tiny, tiny, tiny
Excessive horsepower ... no such thing! I'll take my Bugatti Veyron in blue. And my PM in dual-dual.
I'll take a rev'd up PM over waiting for rev A Macintel. A dual-dual (if not too much $$$) should be a great box. And that should happen sometime in the next 2 months. (I don't buy rumors anymore ... yeah, right)
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Originally posted by alberto
Apple didn´t piss of Adobe, they asked to collaborate with Adobe in certain Applications, like iPhoto and iMovie, but Adobe says, no, we have other plans... Steve Jobs told that story in the past, I don´t remember where I read it. So then Apple go and bought Final Cut Pro
I remember reading that. It wasn't actually Final Cut Pro that came from that but rather iLife. Apple went to Adobe and said "could you make a small consumer oriented video editing and dvd burning app" Adobe said no and Apple went and pieced together a iLife.
It's obvious that Adobe and Apple's relationship is fine because Adobe could have hit the road when the latest Mac transition of the month was announced.
Regarding Apple Photo Pro. If this app ever sees the light of day I doubt that it pisses Adobe off. Apple Photo Pro sounds to me like iPhoto on steroids. It will probably me much less about editing photos and much more about managing them.
I know a few Photographers and they are fine with their Photoshop workflows but PS is a editing app first and foremost and they needs something that bridges the gap between management and editing. Apple could insert themselves here as a PS helper app.
I don't see that there is any upside to competing more with Adobe in the photo market.
Neither Apple nor Adobe have an app that really organizes a photo shoot from packing to final download and editing. If Apple hopes to create a seperate product for photographers they need a program that can facilitate a nice shoot from start to finish.
Anytime you mention graphics some bleats about Adobe. Adobe is NOT graphics they are simply a graphics vendor.
Adobe's made some inroads into workflow with Bridge, but they are still not a top down solution, and while Bridge is a lovely idea, in all aspects beyond integration with Adobe apps it's been a huge disappointment.
Originally posted by Anders
OC=overclocked
mad props to kresh and mac mini OC'ers. all that jumper soldering and stuff. shure takes more skill than a "overclock by 10% please" BIOS option
(edit: posted on an amd64 venice 3000+ OC'ed 1.8ghz to 2.34ghz
Originally posted by MacRonin
I am sure that Apple fully intends to take on Photoshop...
Just on their schedule...
Much like they are doing with Motion (very powerful app for 300 bucks, not quite an AE killer, but working towards it; for what it does, it does it VERY well), they will also do with this new Pro photo app...
Not quite a Photoshop killer, but for what it does...
It's all about long-term erosion of the competitor's marketshare/user base...
Ten years from now, folks may just be using Apple boxes with very well designed Apple software and be saying "Yeah, I remember Adobe..."
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.
Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.
Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." ..... Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
i agree with you but imagine for a second though that apple came out with a "photoshop-killer" that did something like full node-based non-destructive gpu-accelerated (hence near-realtime) masking, effects, crops, scales, typography, etc, while still maintaining the workflow conventions of photoshop.... although in any case very unlikely that this will be announced 1. this weekend 2. pre-intel-transition
Originally posted by chris v
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.
Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.
Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.
I would think the part of my post that mentioned 'ten years from now' would indicate that I didn't think Apple was going to announce (and market as such) a 'Photoshop killer' app...
And if Adobe would just start using CI calls, then Apple wouldn't have to 'kill' them in the future...
.....And if Adobe would just start using CI calls, then Apple wouldn't have to 'kill' them in the future...
heh. steve made an offer bruce@adobe couldn't refuse...
you better use core image or else!!!!!
Originally posted by ChevalierMalFet
Another issue I was thinking of. With 37inch 1900x1200 LCDs on the market for around $2,000, Apple's 30inch LCD is looking a bit pricey.
Size matters not - resolution does. A 37" 1900x1200 LCD is in no way shape or form a competition to a 30" ACD, unless you use it to watch TV or maybe play games.
So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
Originally posted by Patrik_L
...So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
That would be good, would be an opportunity to have new enclosures and follow the look through the displays and Powerbooks. Has to be better this way than when the G5 was intro'd and the silver/plastic displays carried on for ages afterwards.
Originally posted by Patrik_L
They will probably introduce new displays, as the 20-inch iMac has better specs than 20-inch cinema display when it comes to brightness and contrast ratio.
So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
I am afraid so. Good catch though on the display specs. I had not noticed that the new iMac has so much an improved display. In paper at least.
There's your pro photography tie in - an iPod with photoBooth. The screen will act as the flash.
Originally posted by sunilraman
mad props to kresh and mac mini OC'ers. all that jumper soldering and stuff. shure takes more skill than a "overclock by 10% please" BIOS option
(edit: posted on an amd64 venice 3000+ OC'ed 1.8ghz to 2.34ghz
Wasn't too bad, my mini is an original 1.25, so all I had to do is remove all but one jumper, I didn't have to bridge a connection. Although even with a magnifying glass the jumpers are tiny, tiny, tiny
Originally posted by MacRonin
Mmmm... Excessive horsepower...
Excessive horsepower ... no such thing! I'll take my Bugatti Veyron in blue. And my PM in dual-dual.
I'll take a rev'd up PM over waiting for rev A Macintel. A dual-dual (if not too much $$$) should be a great box. And that should happen sometime in the next 2 months. (I don't buy rumors anymore ... yeah, right)