why doesn't it make sense? they can fit optics in a cellphone, there's no reason they couldn't put an isight into a powerbook. the optics wouldn't be as good as a full-sized one, but it could work.
The iSight has a good ccd, and good optics. The CCD thing is likely workable, but the optics would likely sacrifice a ton...the 2-inch thick iMac leaves a lot of space that a ~1/4 inch lid does not, and as for it being mounted in the base, I sayt no for 2 reasons
1: bad angle/lighting
2: same as before, te space is already occupied (unless you could sacrifice a FW port or maybe the PCIMCA slot on the 15/17 inch models)
Also, the power books are a PRO unit, most pros alreay have a camera that has far better optics that could be used as a web cam...so I ask again, WHY DO THIS?
It is like the proverbial answer without a question
A lot of places (so I hear) demand that the phones be turned off, and maybe not even brought into important strategic meetings, particularly for companies in IT that may at some point somewhere along the line, compete with the phone companies.
geez, never thought so many tears would pour because of a little rumoured camera in a pbook!
I've got a pretty easy 5 step solution for this huuuge invasion of corporate privacy;
1. get paper
2. get sticky tape
3. put paper over camera
4. apply sticky tape
5. relax...
I hope laptops dont go this direction...I CANNOT get a good, hi-end (color screen, bluetooth, SMS, wireless web) phone without a camera from Verizon, Cingular or Sprint...the last thing I need is to not be able to get a laptop without a camera in it! If I want/need a camera, I WILL BUY ONE!
The iMac cam makes perfect sence, but on a professional laptop? hell no!
what the heck? build-in? not-build-in? (security concerns in business use (which are actually lower than u might think - a laptop is not as tiny as a cell))... but there's a simple solution for that kind of problem: make it BUILD-TO-ORDER!
They nailed the iMac with the iSight long before it came out (and let's not forget about that two-button mouse rumor either.) AI's track record WRT future Apple products is at parity or eclipsing Think Secret. If I were using AI's reporting as a guide I would be a betting man that we'll be seeing not only Intel PowerBooks soon, but PowerBooks with built-in iSights.
Also, the power books are a PRO unit, most pros alreay have a camera that has far better optics that could be used as a web cam...so I ask again, WHY DO THIS?
Right, this rumor about a built-in camera in the Powerbook lid seems to me bogus.
What if the camera wasn't built-in, but removeable. In such a way that when it is a part of the PowerBook, it looks as though it's built-in....sort of like the way we used to have removable optical drives and batteries in the Pismo.
What if the camera wasn't built-in, but removeable. In such a way that when it is a part of the PowerBook, it looks as though it's built-in....sort of like the way we used to have removable optical drives and batteries in the Pismo.
The microphone isn't easily removable either, I don't remember that being a big issue even though one could record conversations around the laptop without others knowing it. I have personally tried this once.
Using the laptop to capture images at VGA resolution is going to look much more suspicious.
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field.
I don't have any handy calculators handy, but there are some DoF apps and a Widget floating around; however they won't give you enough information about what literal size mm lens and what physical mm depth (even with reflective internals) you'll require.
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field.
Wrong. The Sony Vaio BX series has a webcam option that fits righ into the top of the LCD frame. Apple won't be the first here to integrate webcams into a laptop.
I hope Apple is smart enough to put a dock/port replicator into these new books. And how about a Dock that can run dual monitors as well. That'll get the attention of plenty of PC users.
What's all this fuzz about dropping the 12" PB. Of course it will be replaced by something much better!!
The 13" Widescreen Powerbook or iBook will weigh less than the current 12"PB (less than 2 KG) will be maybe just slightly wider (1-2 cm less thatn 1") will be as thin and as deep as the current 12" PB. It will just rock.
Look at comparable Windows machines from Sony or ASUSTEK (Who will eventually build the 13" Apple Notebook)
No imagine those machines in sleek Apple Industrial Design and of course they will be available in white or BLACK. Just like the iPods and Nanos...
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field. [...]
How about if they integrated the lense into the lid clip/latch. A rotating latch that both hold the lid in place and protects the lens when the laptop is closed and can also be rotated around to take pictures at any angle (with clever software to flip the upside-down image when rotated past a certain point).
No, no, I'm totally aware that there are built-in cameras out there, but I wonder about the quality. I mean, digital photographic optics require a certain amount of light to reach a decent-sized CCD for resolution and depth-of-field. The more light, the better, you know what I mean? I'm just wondering:
a) what sacrifices need to be made to integrate a camera. For one, on the Sony BX, tilting the display to focus on your face seems like a Bad Idea?.
b) What's the overall quality you get from compromising?
It just seems like the negatives outweigh the benefits. Hey, I could be wrong; they'll probably slap one in there. But I'm still skeptical.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Wrong. The Sony Vaio BX series has a webcam option that fits righ into the top of the LCD frame. Apple won't be the first here to integrate webcams into a laptop.
And for those who want to know how a really cool camera integration in to the laptop lid will look like. CHeck out ASUS W5A 12.1" Widescreen Laptop:
Weighing just 1,6 kg (that is 1 Pound less than Apples 12" 2.1KG Powerbook) same depth and height and just 1" wider, but still is no Subnotebook because it includes a optical drive inside. And i am sure Apple will shave off that 1" on the side to make it just as wide as the current 12" PB.
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Originally posted by admactanium
why doesn't it make sense? they can fit optics in a cellphone, there's no reason they couldn't put an isight into a powerbook. the optics wouldn't be as good as a full-sized one, but it could work.
The iSight has a good ccd, and good optics. The CCD thing is likely workable, but the optics would likely sacrifice a ton...the 2-inch thick iMac leaves a lot of space that a ~1/4 inch lid does not, and as for it being mounted in the base, I sayt no for 2 reasons
1: bad angle/lighting
2: same as before, te space is already occupied (unless you could sacrifice a FW port or maybe the PCIMCA slot on the 15/17 inch models)
Also, the power books are a PRO unit, most pros alreay have a camera that has far better optics that could be used as a web cam...so I ask again, WHY DO THIS?
It is like the proverbial answer without a question
Originally posted by noirdesir
But build-in microphones are no problem?
A lot of places (so I hear) demand that the phones be turned off, and maybe not even brought into important strategic meetings, particularly for companies in IT that may at some point somewhere along the line, compete with the phone companies.
Originally posted by 666
geez, never thought so many tears would pour because of a little rumoured camera in a pbook!
I've got a pretty easy 5 step solution for this huuuge invasion of corporate privacy;
1. get paper
2. get sticky tape
3. put paper over camera
4. apply sticky tape
5. relax...
I hope laptops dont go this direction...I CANNOT get a good, hi-end (color screen, bluetooth, SMS, wireless web) phone without a camera from Verizon, Cingular or Sprint...the last thing I need is to not be able to get a laptop without a camera in it! If I want/need a camera, I WILL BUY ONE!
The iMac cam makes perfect sence, but on a professional laptop? hell no!
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1273
They nailed the iMac with the iSight long before it came out (and let's not forget about that two-button mouse rumor either.) AI's track record WRT future Apple products is at parity or eclipsing Think Secret. If I were using AI's reporting as a guide I would be a betting man that we'll be seeing not only Intel PowerBooks soon, but PowerBooks with built-in iSights.
Originally posted by a_greer
Also, the power books are a PRO unit, most pros alreay have a camera that has far better optics that could be used as a web cam...so I ask again, WHY DO THIS?
Right, this rumor about a built-in camera in the Powerbook lid seems to me bogus.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Come on! Who's gonna be able to hack into a mac and spy on corporate secrets? It's very unlikely this would be possible.
How about someone from inside? Built-in cameras are a BIG NO in such an environment.
Originally posted by amac4me
The current revision to the Powerbook line was less than spectacular. As a result I haven't convinced myself to purchase one.
With this rumor hitting the wires, I don't mind waiting for the Intel based systems
how much skinnier is 20-25% ?
thinking of it makes me giddy.
this is the ultimate decision. do i wait for the intel machine or go and get this last gen PPC 15inch PB?
Originally posted by DHagan4755
What if the camera wasn't built-in, but removeable. In such a way that when it is a part of the PowerBook, it looks as though it's built-in....sort of like the way we used to have removable optical drives and batteries in the Pismo.
The microphone isn't easily removable either, I don't remember that being a big issue even though one could record conversations around the laptop without others knowing it. I have personally tried this once.
Using the laptop to capture images at VGA resolution is going to look much more suspicious.
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field.
I don't have any handy calculators handy, but there are some DoF apps and a Widget floating around; however they won't give you enough information about what literal size mm lens and what physical mm depth (even with reflective internals) you'll require.
Someone?
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field.
Wrong. The Sony Vaio BX series has a webcam option that fits righ into the top of the LCD frame. Apple won't be the first here to integrate webcams into a laptop.
http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcat...ooks/bx-series
I hope Apple is smart enough to put a dock/port replicator into these new books. And how about a Dock that can run dual monitors as well. That'll get the attention of plenty of PC users.
The 13" Widescreen Powerbook or iBook will weigh less than the current 12"PB (less than 2 KG) will be maybe just slightly wider (1-2 cm less thatn 1") will be as thin and as deep as the current 12" PB. It will just rock.
Look at comparable Windows machines from Sony or ASUSTEK (Who will eventually build the 13" Apple Notebook)
No imagine those machines in sleek Apple Industrial Design and of course they will be available in white or BLACK. Just like the iPods and Nanos...
This will rock..
Originally posted by iomatic
RE: iSight in the lid of a PowerBook.
Won't work nicely. You need a lens large enough to capture enough light to give you the proper focal length to get you a decent depth of field. [...]
How about if they integrated the lense into the lid clip/latch. A rotating latch that both hold the lid in place and protects the lens when the laptop is closed and can also be rotated around to take pictures at any angle (with clever software to flip the upside-down image when rotated past a certain point).
a) what sacrifices need to be made to integrate a camera. For one, on the Sony BX, tilting the display to focus on your face seems like a Bad Idea?.
b) What's the overall quality you get from compromising?
It just seems like the negatives outweigh the benefits. Hey, I could be wrong; they'll probably slap one in there. But I'm still skeptical.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Wrong. The Sony Vaio BX series has a webcam option that fits righ into the top of the LCD frame. Apple won't be the first here to integrate webcams into a laptop.
?
Weighing just 1,6 kg (that is 1 Pound less than Apples 12" 2.1KG Powerbook) same depth and height and just 1" wider, but still is no Subnotebook because it includes a optical drive inside. And i am sure Apple will shave off that 1" on the side to make it just as wide as the current 12" PB.
ASUS W5A
And this is the same company that builds already some currenc Apple Products and will build a 13" Model for Apple.