Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD (2006)

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  • Reply 581 of 2106
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    I think the whole regioning thing makes it possible to include it for only certain regions. As an aside has anybody heard news on regions for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? I know there was talk at one stage that they'd be gone then the studios wanted it or something but I never heard a final decision. Did it go or did it stay? God I hope it went...
  • Reply 582 of 2106
    brunobruinbrunobruin Posts: 552member
    The last I heard was that, if there was to be region encoding, the regions would align differently (just three total) and the U.S. and Japan would be the new Region 1. Does anyone have any more recent information? I thought I read that the HD DVD players currently on the market are NOT using region encoding, although I'm not sure if that applied only to HD discs or to both HD and DVD.



    In any event, if you have to leave the analog "hole" open in one region, there's no sense in closing it elsewhere. If you have to leave one door in a birdcage open, what's the point of locking all the others?
  • Reply 583 of 2106
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    LG Delivers 4X Blu-ray PC Drive, expected in June...



    http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?06/16/17



    Already 4X. Wow, I'm impressed.
  • Reply 584 of 2106
    e1618978e1618978 Posts: 6,075member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by marzetta7

    LG Delivers 4X Blu-ray PC Drive, expected in June...



    http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?06/16/17



    Already 4X. Wow, I'm impressed.




    Am I the only one who thinks that this Nx thing is stupid? Just tell me the read and write data rate directly.



    Not only is 4x uninformative, but I am pretty sure that it is a different datarate than 4x on DVD, which is different than 4x on CDR.
  • Reply 585 of 2106
    blackcatblackcat Posts: 697member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by e1618978

    Am I the only one who thinks that this Nx thing is stupid? Just tell me the read and write data rate directly.



    Not only is 4x uninformative, but I am pretty sure that it is a different datarate than 4x on DVD, which is different than 4x on CDR.




    Indeed. 4x blu-ray is pretty good, but people will compare it to 8x DVD-R or 16x CD-R and think it's slow.



    Still no HD-DVD burners...
  • Reply 586 of 2106
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Blackcat

    Indeed. 4x blu-ray is pretty good, but people will compare it to 8x DVD-R or 16x CD-R and think it's slow.



    Still no HD-DVD burners...




    Somehow, I highly doubt this is an issue. we will certainly hear about it in the near future. . . I'll bet you a quarter.
  • Reply 587 of 2106
    ngmapplengmapple Posts: 117member
    Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
  • Reply 588 of 2106
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,437member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ngmapple

    Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.



    But there's so much that you give up. There's not interactive layer in downloads. You are basically getting "no-frills" video. There's no unified chapter access or way to change viewing options.



    Until there's a standard for encapsulating downloadable video content with all the current options we enjoy on DVD/Blue Laser media I doubt we see downloads take over. People enjoy good presentation.



    Did you know?



    With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.
  • Reply 589 of 2106
    ngmapplengmapple Posts: 117member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison



    With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.




    You make a good point, but I don't buy it. I don't see anything preventing the interactive layers that you describe with downloadable/streamable content. Interactivity is still just data and data can be transmitted over the web. In fact the internet has no limits, while optical media does. You can always make a better typewritter but it'll never take on the PC, you know what I mean?



    Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.



    And it's unfortunate the first DVD standard never turned out to be what they promissed us it would; multiple camera angles, interactive movies, etc... We never got any of that, HD DVD and blu-ray is just another dumb (or smart depending on how you look at it) ploy to sell boxes.
  • Reply 590 of 2106
    e1618978e1618978 Posts: 6,075member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ngmapple

    Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.



    Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
  • Reply 591 of 2106
    ngmapplengmapple Posts: 117member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by e1618978

    Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.



    I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.



    I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.
  • Reply 592 of 2106
    blackcatblackcat Posts: 697member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ngmapple

    Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.



    I hope not.

    I want to own my movies, not rent them.
  • Reply 593 of 2106
    e1618978e1618978 Posts: 6,075member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ngmapple

    I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.



    I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.




    Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
  • Reply 594 of 2106
    ngmapplengmapple Posts: 117member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by e1618978

    Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?



    1 at a time, I'd just stream any movie I want anytime I want it.



    I know we're used to a mentality where you have to own media as physical property, but I rather let my content reside on a server somewhere else with the ability to access it from wherever I am. For the same reason I like webmail better than say outlook or Apple's Mail. I can destroy my computer and loose nothing, and I can access my stuff from any machine on the planet with an internet connection without having to configure anything or download new software.
  • Reply 595 of 2106
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by e1618978

    Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?



    Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.
  • Reply 596 of 2106
    ngmapplengmapple Posts: 117member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Telomar

    Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.



    Agreed Telomar, there's also no need to buy a new disc player (or face oneself with the decision between HD and Blu-ray).
  • Reply 597 of 2106
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by e1618978

    Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.



    Yes, but if you are buying content from your ISP (Comcast or Verizon) then you are working with latency and bandwidth issues to the closest POP. VOD on IPTV seems to be gaining some popularity vs DBV given the drive toward Triple Play. FiOS video offerings are IPTV and while I haven't ordered it yet it didn't seem to have any issues when I watched it a bit in their kiosk.



    The FIOS service I purchased was slower than the Comcast cable I had prior but a) Dude, its FIBER! To The HOME!, b) it scales faster and c) most importantly it was cheaper even with my cable discount.



    I have to figure out if their HD DVR package is cheaper or not but if it is then I'll switch video as well. But really, HD video over the net isn't an issue.



    Apple would have to make a deal with ISPs to get the QOS they desired by being local instead of over the internet.



    Vinea
  • Reply 598 of 2106
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,437member
    Who's your Daddy!! Future HD-DVD titles.







    12 Monkeys... Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas....M:I:3

    2 Fast 2 Furious Fearless... Miami Vice

    American Pie (Unrated)... Field of Dreams ...Miami Vice Season 1



    An American Werewolf in London ....Firewall ...Mrs. Henderson Presents

    Animal House ...Forest Gump ...The Mummy (1999)

    Army of Darkness... Four Brothers... Ocean?s Twelve

    Awake... The Fugitive... Out of Sight

    Backdraft... Frankenstein (1931)... Passion of the Clerks

    Batman Begins ... Friday Night Lights... The Perfect Storm

    Battlestar Galactica... (2004) Season 1 ...Ghost ...The Polar Express

    Bikini Destinations (TV Series) ....Grease ...Pitch Black

    Black Dahlia ....Grind ...House ...Pulse

    Blazing Saddles... Happy Gilmore.... Ray

    The Blues Brothers: Extended Edition.... Harry Potter.... Red Dragon



    The Bone Collector... How the Grinch Stole Christmas... The Rundown

    The Breakfast Club ....The Hulk... Scary Movie 4

    Braveheart ...The Interpreter.... School for Scoundrels ...

    Breaking and Entering.... Italian Job ....School of Rock

    Bubble ...Killshot ....The Scorpian King

    Casino... King Kong (Deluxe Edition).... Seabiscuit



    Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.... La Cité des Enfants Perdus ...Sin City 2

    Children of Men La Grande... Vadrouille.... Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

    Conan the Barbarian .... La Haine ...Spartacus

    Constantine.... Land of the Dead (Unrated).... Spongebob Squarepants



    Dante's Peak .... Lara Croft: Tomb Raider... Spy Game

    Dawn of the Dead (Unrated)... L'armée des Ombres ...The Thing

    Dazed and Confused.... Last Legion... Traffic

    Decameron Le Cercle Rouge ...TransAmerica

    The Deer Hunter ...Le Lauréat ...Two for the Money

    ...Le Pacte des Loups(Brotherhood of the Wolf)... U2: Rattle & Hum

    Discovery..?s Historic Mission ...Le Pianiste ...Unforgiven

    Dracula (1931).. Les Trois Jours du Condor ..Unleashed

    Dune Theatrical ...The Libertine Voyage ...au Bout de l'Enfer



    Elizabethtown... Lucky Number Slevin.. Waist Deep

    End of Days ... The Matador... The War Within

    Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room ...Matrix .... Waterworld

    Fast Times and Ridgemont High ...Meet the Fockers ...Wolf Creek

    The Fast and the Furious ...Meet the Parents ...Young Hannibal

    The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift






  • Reply 599 of 2106
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    In Store Now: 20 titles...not exactly a blazing launch now is it?
  • Reply 600 of 2106
    northgatenorthgate Posts: 4,461member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by vinea

    In Store Now: 20 titles...not exactly a blazing launch now is it?



    About on par with the initial launch of the original DVD.
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