As expected, xbox 360 HD-DVD add on started showing up at people's doorsteps with copy of King Kong HD-DVD movie. Along with Gen2 HD-DVD players scheduled for release next week, HD-DVD sales # will leap passing by BD-DVD soon enough, oh... I forgot it's already there... I guess someone will pray harder that all PS3 buyers would buy a copy BD-DVD......
Just as I've stated. Sony took PDD modified it a bit and voila. Blu-Ray. Blu-ray is a Sony creation in which others have hopped on the the bandwagon.
I think you're liking the sound of your own voice a little too much...really read what you are saying.
So the year 2002 is actually after 2003?
I'm shocked.
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Originally Posted by vinea
The bolded parts simply indicate that they are similar. Which would hold if PPD is derived from Blu-Ray or vice versa.
If the article is correct then the formation of Blu-Ray preceeded PDD. UDO also uses 0.85 aperture blue-violet laser. Of course its very different from PPD and Blu-Ray.
Here's a source that states the PDD is based on Blu-Ray technology:
Well Blue laser isn't a new thing, after all even HD-DVD is blue laser.
PDD is a very different market, not exactly different format then BR. PDD is a RW storage specialist. BR is a DVD sucessor.
BR patients are held by the BDA, so Sony can not just rip off blue ray, or vice versa. That's corporate sucide in terms of modern law. Sony more then likely tooks it's peices of research from BR to make PDD.
BR is made from all the founders or most of them. They all send money, engineers, and specialist in. Saying Sony spearheaded it...is...well...stupid.
If Sony held all the rights to BR, they wouldn't need BRA. IF PDD is BR beta, then BR would not exist, because why share if it's made?
IF anything BR is DVD 2.0 Most of the same people in DVD saw they needed to sell more and better. Notice most of the DVD forum people are BR people.
Today Broadcom announces a replacement chipset for the BCM7411 found in the Toshiba A1 and perhaps other players. Like NEC's recent announcement of a chip that handles both platforms Broadcom is seriously beefing up the support in this new chipset. After perusing through both PDFs here are some of the salient improvements in the new chip versus the older BCM7411.
The BCM7440 offers:
Improved Video support
Divx and WM-9 support
Picture support -JPG,PNG, MNG,GIF,RLE with 2D graphics engine
6 integrated VEC/DACs for video output
Dual video decoders
Improved Audio support
SACD and DVD-Audio disc support
WMA-Pro and MP3
Improved Networking support
Fast Ethernet
HDi and Navigator support.
Improved Storage/Memory
Dual SATA support
Dual DDR2 Memory interface
Dual USB ports
Dual MIPS processors power the whole shebang.
I imagine that it would take 3 or more seperate chips
to offer the functionality that is capable with this single
piece of silicon. Less material equals less work and a lower Bill
of Materials. Look for more vendors to hop into the market next
year with products based on this and the NEC chips. It should be
possible to make a Universal Blu-ray/HD DVD player as well. All the
bases are covered here.
This stuff isn't exciting to most people but now that Broadcom has announced this chipset we have an idea about where the market is going. And it looks and sounds great.
Using a 1mm thick diffraction plate with concentric grooves on each side, the new lasers can recognize what kind of disc you've inserted into a drive (be it CD, DVD, HD DVD or BD) and adjust the beam to play it.
I have my doubts that Ricoh will be able to manuf this in the quantity necessary to keep it cheap. It may be more feasible for HTPC systems with two optical drives linked into the NEC or Broadcom SoC.
Ultra HD. That'll be great once I have access to 20ft screens with 6000 lumen projectors
Well... update on the xbox360 HD-DVD add on sales seems to be very positive. It's basically sold out and will be selling out on everyone one of them, not just to xbox 360 owners, but also HTPC fans. Below is a link to $200 HD-DVD player on your PC, and soon on macs when software supports it. However, every macintel can run Windows, so if you have upgraded to HDCP compliant video card, you shall have HD-DVD for only $200 for now and will be even cheaper..... $50 HD-DVD Rom Drives in next 6 months?....
The idea of HD-DVD on a console that already has a DVD player is just stupid. What happens when the games start requiring you have HD? does that suddenly mean you have to buy one or you cant play?
The idea of HD-DVD on a console that already has a DVD player is just stupid. What happens when the games start requiring you have HD? does that suddenly mean you have to buy one or you cant play?
Wiggedy wack.
I guess people who buys BD-DVD or HD-DVD player when one has perfectly fine dvd player would also be stupid according to your criteria? HD-DVD add on is currently for HD-DVD movie playback capability only on xbox360. If you do not wish to get a HD-DVD Movies, then you would not require to get one, would you?
Anyway, you wouldn't try to play PS3 BD disc games on PS2, will you?.......
I think the author of the article is really way off base here.
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But I don?t want to get too carried away. While the graphics are indeed much better, the games themselves aren?t so different. Sure, there are new race tracks, characters or challenges, but you?ll still end up frantically pressing buttons to steer cars around corners, cross swords with bad guys or get your golf swing just right for that hole-in-one.
Uh, yeah. What else would one expect. There are only certain genres of games:
I might have missed a few. What else is there? Of course they are the same games (well, even with that said, some of the games look pretty unique to me). It's really a dumb observation.
As an aside the PS3 has now shipped in Japan with some stores actually getting, and selling out of, allocations of up to 2000 consoles. Anyway agree with it or not that's another 80 000 potential BD Players in people's homes.
As an aside the PS3 has now shipped in Japan with some stores actually getting, and selling out of, allocations of up to 2000 consoles. Anyway agree with it or not that's another 80 000 potential BD Players in people's homes.
Hmm... 80K units by end of 2007?.... as a BD player?
Hmm... 80K units by end of 2007?.... as a BD player?
100k at current report. And Sony says 100k to japan every week after that.
So just looking at Japan you have 800k or so units by calender end. Assuming they all get sold out.
Just goes to show you don't believe in everything you heard, because things change and change fast.
Sometimes worse (component problem) sometimes better (ramp up going better then expected)
US we won't know sincce it's obvious shipping to Japan and move it around the country is 10x easier then shipping it across the pacific and run through hundreds of miles of land.
who cares how many units are out there because of the ps3? what if those people dont have HD's? (most dont), so what are the odds they even purchase blurays?
record companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
who cares how many units are out there because of the ps3? what if those people dont have HD's? (most dont), so what are the odds they even purchase blurays?
film companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
who cares how many units are out there because of the ps3? what if those people dont have HD's? (most dont), so what are the odds they even purchase blurays?
All PS3s come with HDs. I'm assuming you mean HDTVs.
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record companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
You're right, record companies don't care. Good thing film studios do!
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Did you miss this part?
Just as I've stated. Sony took PDD modified it a bit and voila. Blu-Ray. Blu-ray is a Sony creation in which others have hopped on the the bandwagon.
I think you're liking the sound of your own voice a little too much...really read what you are saying.
So the year 2002 is actually after 2003?
I'm shocked.
The bolded parts simply indicate that they are similar. Which would hold if PPD is derived from Blu-Ray or vice versa.
If the article is correct then the formation of Blu-Ray preceeded PDD. UDO also uses 0.85 aperture blue-violet laser. Of course its very different from PPD and Blu-Ray.
Here's a source that states the PDD is based on Blu-Ray technology:
http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/...965210,00.html
Vinea
Well Blue laser isn't a new thing, after all even HD-DVD is blue laser.
PDD is a very different market, not exactly different format then BR. PDD is a RW storage specialist. BR is a DVD sucessor.
BR patients are held by the BDA, so Sony can not just rip off blue ray, or vice versa. That's corporate sucide in terms of modern law. Sony more then likely tooks it's peices of research from BR to make PDD.
BR is made from all the founders or most of them. They all send money, engineers, and specialist in. Saying Sony spearheaded it...is...well...stupid.
If Sony held all the rights to BR, they wouldn't need BRA. IF PDD is BR beta, then BR would not exist, because why share if it's made?
IF anything BR is DVD 2.0 Most of the same people in DVD saw they needed to sell more and better. Notice most of the DVD forum people are BR people.
Today Broadcom announces a replacement chipset for the BCM7411 found in the Toshiba A1 and perhaps other players. Like NEC's recent announcement of a chip that handles both platforms Broadcom is seriously beefing up the support in this new chipset. After perusing through both PDFs here are some of the salient improvements in the new chip versus the older BCM7411.
The BCM7440 offers:
Improved Video support
Divx and WM-9 support
Picture support -JPG,PNG, MNG,GIF,RLE with 2D graphics engine
6 integrated VEC/DACs for video output
Dual video decoders
Improved Audio support
SACD and DVD-Audio disc support
WMA-Pro and MP3
Improved Networking support
Fast Ethernet
HDi and Navigator support.
Improved Storage/Memory
Dual SATA support
Dual DDR2 Memory interface
Dual USB ports
Dual MIPS processors power the whole shebang.
I imagine that it would take 3 or more seperate chips
to offer the functionality that is capable with this single
piece of silicon. Less material equals less work and a lower Bill
of Materials. Look for more vendors to hop into the market next
year with products based on this and the NEC chips. It should be
possible to make a Universal Blu-ray/HD DVD player as well. All the
bases are covered here.
This stuff isn't exciting to most people but now that Broadcom has announced this chipset we have an idea about where the market is going. And it looks and sounds great.
Booyah!
The chip is the least of there problems(price wise).
Heck you can throw a Cell or a Core duo in there, though extremely cost ineffective.
There's really very little way currently for a universal player except to have 2 lasers in it.
Bascially the track pitch aperture differ, with BR-D on a .85 vs the HD-dvd .65 .
This is basically why BR-D can hold more info and leads to being it most costly to make BR-D.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/09/n...d-and-blu-ray/
Using a 1mm thick diffraction plate with concentric grooves on each side, the new lasers can recognize what kind of disc you've inserted into a drive (be it CD, DVD, HD DVD or BD) and adjust the beam to play it.
The pieces are coming together.
And who didn't think of a self aware laser. But That's a long way from having one that doesn't move.
It can't write for one thing, and another the article doesn't mention it's low speeds and power requirements, making it costly.
Bascially like anything in engineering, the more stuff it has to do, the harder it is to make it work.
It's still currently cheaper to simiply have 2 lasers.
And I use the word currently very harshly. We can do a lot of things, but the economics of it is a long way off.
Like the Ultra HD TV. Not coming any time soon. 4320p haha, what sickly power do you need to use to run that on any modern decoder.
I have my doubts that Ricoh will be able to manuf this in the quantity necessary to keep it cheap. It may be more feasible for HTPC systems with two optical drives linked into the NEC or Broadcom SoC.
Ultra HD. That'll be great once I have access to 20ft screens with 6000 lumen projectors
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/11/10/ps3/index.php
Out of curiousity, is anyone here on a pre-order list and is assured of receiving a PS3 on the US launch?
http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/per...ad.aspx#148368
Wiggedy wack.
The idea of HD-DVD on a console that already has a DVD player is just stupid. What happens when the games start requiring you have HD? does that suddenly mean you have to buy one or you cant play?
Wiggedy wack.
I guess people who buys BD-DVD or HD-DVD player when one has perfectly fine dvd player would also be stupid according to your criteria? HD-DVD add on is currently for HD-DVD movie playback capability only on xbox360. If you do not wish to get a HD-DVD Movies, then you would not require to get one, would you?
Anyway, you wouldn't try to play PS3 BD disc games on PS2, will you?.......
I mean, shit... the boxes are even red and blue!
truly mankind must free himself from all dualities to see what really going on!
its like stereo, sticking your ear to one speaker or the other you dont get the whole picture
to move into the future,this conflict is the consumers sign of that.
DvD is still king! maybe if we dont buy at all they will settle on somthing and get a spine... and stop being bickering corporate children.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/11/10/ps3/index.php
I think the author of the article is really way off base here.
But I don?t want to get too carried away. While the graphics are indeed much better, the games themselves aren?t so different. Sure, there are new race tracks, characters or challenges, but you?ll still end up frantically pressing buttons to steer cars around corners, cross swords with bad guys or get your golf swing just right for that hole-in-one.
Uh, yeah. What else would one expect. There are only certain genres of games:
First Person Shooter and variants
Racing/Driving and driving-combat
Sports (Basketball, Baseball, Football, Hockey, Golf)
Fantasy/Adventure/Role Playing
Combat, non-first person
Movie/TV Games
I might have missed a few. What else is there? Of course they are the same games (well, even with that said, some of the games look pretty unique to me). It's really a dumb observation.
As an aside the PS3 has now shipped in Japan with some stores actually getting, and selling out of, allocations of up to 2000 consoles. Anyway agree with it or not that's another 80 000 potential BD Players in people's homes.
You left out stuff like SingStar and EyeToy.
As an aside the PS3 has now shipped in Japan with some stores actually getting, and selling out of, allocations of up to 2000 consoles. Anyway agree with it or not that's another 80 000 potential BD Players in people's homes.
Hmm... 80K units by end of 2007?.... as a BD player?
Hmm... 80K units by end of 2007?.... as a BD player?
100k at current report. And Sony says 100k to japan every week after that.
So just looking at Japan you have 800k or so units by calender end. Assuming they all get sold out.
Just goes to show you don't believe in everything you heard, because things change and change fast.
Sometimes worse (component problem) sometimes better (ramp up going better then expected)
US we won't know sincce it's obvious shipping to Japan and move it around the country is 10x easier then shipping it across the pacific and run through hundreds of miles of land.
record companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
film companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
who cares how many units are out there because of the ps3? what if those people dont have HD's? (most dont), so what are the odds they even purchase blurays?
All PS3s come with HDs. I'm assuming you mean HDTVs.
record companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.
You're right, record companies don't care. Good thing film studios do!
All PS3s come with HDs. I'm assuming you mean HDTVs.
You're right, record companies don't care. Good thing film studios do!
yeah, its a bit late, typos happen