Remember, Chimera IS Mozilla. The current 0.2.7 build of Chimera is built on current 1.0.0+ code from Mozilla. Simply enter "about:" in the address bar to see what version of Mozilla it's built on. So, whenever we get improvements with the Mozilla code, they can instantly go into Chimera and make it better too.
Regarding the brackets, they are these characters: '[' and ']'
I was right and the complaints are already starting to flood in. Here's one fine example:
> It's implemented in 0.2.7, out now and is terrible on a French keyboard :
>
> Back : Shift-Command-Option 5
> Forward : Shift-Command-Option °
Ridiculous, no? My bet is we see the arrow keys for navigation back in 0.2.8.
I just wanted to post the good news: the key bindings will be back to normal in the next build. From good ol' Dave himself: [quote]Turns out most browsers do both. So I'm going to hook both of them up, but show the arrow keys as the bindings in the menu items. So look for arrow keys to work again in 0.2.8.<hr></blockquote>
I recently downloaded 0.27, I was impressed with its speed and clarity. However, when trying to launch chimera a second time is crashed before the start page loaded. I deleted everything that I thought was associated with Chimera and have tried several fresh installs since with no luck... Any suggestions??? The Chimera forum does not seem to provide any info at the moment...
<strong>Any suggestions???</strong><hr></blockquote>First, be sure you deleted the right prefs folder. It's located at ~/.mozilla (don't forget the dot '.' in the name that makes in invisible!).
Next, try putting Chimera on your desktop and see if it will launch there. If it does, but doesn't launch from certain other folders, then you've found a weird bug that I also have encountered with Mozilla. Sometimes you can't launch Mozilla from within a folder that has more than 31 characters in its name. Strange! Chimera doesn't seen to be affected by this, but it could be worth testing anyway.
Wow. I am impressed! (Ewww, except for the typing speed in this text box). 0.2.6 was doing some funky things with me, like not properly displaying the previous page when Back was clicked, but 0.2.7 has fixed that, and it seems much faster as well. I also think that it wins my informal Apple-Store-page-loading test.
Wrt key bindings, I know that it's not intuitive, but I do like the 'Delete' key as an option for Back. One key for an action that's used a lot. Both IE and OW support it.
[Edit: not only is it one keystroke, but it's a BIG button].
Still no luck with opening 0.27... Sherlock did not seem to find anything using the search string ~/.moziilla - nor did I with a quick tour through the prefs folder... Launching from the desktop did not seem to help either. The only thing that seems to happen (other than the crash prior to startup) is that there is a file Mozilla registry which is deposited in the preferences folder...
Ah, I think you misunderstood me before. A little Unix knowledge helps. The tilde '~' is a shortcut for your home folder. If you ever see someone use that in the path to a file, it means it's located within your home folder. Thus, when I said:
~/.mozilla
I actually meant:
/Users/yourname/.mozilla
Plus, the '.' in the beginning of a name will make it invisible; so, you'll have to use something other than the Finder to find and delete it. The easy way is through the Terminal. Here's a simple task for you:
Open the Terminal (in the Applications/Utilities folder)
By default, it starts you in your home directory. Type the command ls -a to get a list of all files and folders at your current level.
Is ".mozilla" listed? If so, let's delete it. Enter the command rm -R .mozilla to delete it.
Enter ls -a again to verify that .mozilla is gone.
Close the Terminal and try launching Chimera again.
FWIW if you don't want to use the terminal you can get there using the finder.
Open up a finder window and use CMD-~ and a sheet will pop down. Now type ~/.mozilla in the box and hit return. You will be taken to the "hidden" .mozilla folder, inside of which is the Chimera profile.
edit: Oh! I just remembered where another prefs file is that you may want to remove, tiansa. Go to your ~/Library/Preferences folder and remove the org.mozilla.navigator.plist file.
<strong>Ridiculous, no? My bet is we see the arrow keys for navigation back in 0.2.8.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that command-arrow requires more of a contortion than command-brackets on an English keyboard. How about simply duplicating the controls, i.e. using both command-arrows and command-brackets? Using the same keyboard commands as IE makes it easier for people to convert back to Navigator. Let the user choose and use the commands (s)he likes!
[Edit: I should read all the replies before posting. Sounds like Dave read my mind and is going to implement both command-arrows and command-brackets.]
By the way, the lag when typing in a text box is even worse than in MS Word. Why is that? Is it OS X's fault, or is this something that the Chimera dev team can fix in a future release?
There's an argument about the name on the Chimera mailing list. Basically, there's a defunct Unix browser project called "Chimera". Nobody can decide whether to just steal the name, to stick with the name "Navigator", or to pick something else.
<strong>Nobody can decide whether to just steal the [Chimera] name, to stick with the name "Navigator", or to pick something else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Chimera is great for a project name. But the name of the actual browser product should be Navigator. Navigator, Netscape's first product, was a solid and efficient browser without all the clunky features that came with the later browsers. "Navigator" harks back to that admirable heritage. Just like seven years ago, Navigator reminds you that the browser will let you navigate the Web. As much as I like the name Chimera (I'm a fan of ancient Greek mythology), it has no connection whatsoever to the end product and will mean nothing to the end user. Developers and beta testers may understand that Chimera referes to the new Cocoa head (front-end) for the Mozilla body (rendering engine), but Navigator will be more meaningful for the average Mac users, who will hopefully adopt Navigator in droves.
I vote for Navigator!
Two issues I've run into with 0.2.7:
1. After a while, maybe 10-20 minutes of browsing, Navigator has a hard time reading its own cache. It says it's loading the cache, and shows the file path for the cache at the bottowm of the screen, but never renders the content.
2. The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com"; target="_blank">NY Times</a> website still manages to sneak pop-under ads by Navigator. This is quite infuriating. Whatever trick the site uses, it also manages to bypass my special security settings in IE, which disable all scripting for NYTimes.com.
I'm looking forward to more progress on Navigator/Chimera!
<strong>As much as I like the name Chimera (I'm a fan of ancient Greek mythology), it has no connection whatsoever to the end product and will mean nothing to the end user.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I vote that we let Netscape use the name "Chimera", on the grounds that their product is an ugly-ass monstrosity of mismatched parts stuck together.
I have been having a couple problems with .2.7 First, sometimes, but not always, when typing into a text box, everytime I tyoe a space, the page drops all the way to its bottom in the window and then is instantly back up to the text box as soon as I type the next letter. Right now, for instance, it is not doing it. Also, I have had the browser crash when hitting the send button in forums. I am also having the text lag problem, and the fact thaat the cursor doesn't actually blink, but just sort of flutters is a bit irritating. In general though, I love the browser I'm mostly waiting for good download ability before I switch it to my defult browser.
I've never seen that first problem, SledgeHammer, but I think we're all familiar with the fluttering cursor and laggy typing.
For everyone that wants arrow navigation back without waiting for he next version, quit Navigator, open up the Terminal, use this command, and re-launch Navigator:
<strong>2. The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com"; target="_blank">NY Times</a> website still manages to sneak pop-under ads by Navigator. This is quite infuriating. Whatever trick the site uses, it also manages to bypass my special security settings in IE, which disable all scripting for NYTimes.com.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I recently bought a key to OmniWeb and am using it as my backup browser instead of IE. Navigator/Chimera is now my primary door to the web! Anyway, OmniWeb seems to be the only browser successfully to block the NYTimes pop-under ads. (I haven't tried Mozilla/Netscape though.)
It suddenly seems like the fast pace of updates to Chimera has slowed to a crawl. It's been ten days since 0.2.7 came out! Is this because a lot of voluteer developers are stuck with finals?
<strong>Apparently the Chimera development team is in negotiations with Microsoft for a buyout.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's not so far-fetched, seeing that history has a tendency to repeat itself. There's a lot more competition now, though, than when Mosaic was the only graphical browser. I remember insiting on using Lynx in a Unix terminal window for months because I couldn't see the utility of having images embedded in HTML.
What truly amazes me, is that Navigator/Chimera is significantly faster at (downloading and) rendering web pages than IE and OmniWeb. That's why Navigator is my primary browser now, even though I have to use OW and IE for backup.
<strong>Apparently Apple has been keeping an eye on Chimera's development. They used Chimera in the demo of Xserve today...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Cool. Way cool! Kickass, Navigator/Chimera! Must be gratifying for the open source Chimera dev team to see Phil use their app for such a high-profile demo.
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Regarding the brackets, they are these characters: '[' and ']'
I was right and the complaints are already starting to flood in. Here's one fine example:
> It's implemented in 0.2.7, out now and is terrible on a French keyboard :
>
> Back : Shift-Command-Option 5
> Forward : Shift-Command-Option °
Ridiculous, no? My bet is we see the arrow keys for navigation back in 0.2.8.
[ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
Cheers...
<strong>Any suggestions???</strong><hr></blockquote>First, be sure you deleted the right prefs folder. It's located at ~/.mozilla (don't forget the dot '.' in the name that makes in invisible!).
Next, try putting Chimera on your desktop and see if it will launch there. If it does, but doesn't launch from certain other folders, then you've found a weird bug that I also have encountered with Mozilla. Sometimes you can't launch Mozilla from within a folder that has more than 31 characters in its name. Strange! Chimera doesn't seen to be affected by this, but it could be worth testing anyway.
Wrt key bindings, I know that it's not intuitive, but I do like the 'Delete' key as an option for Back. One key for an action that's used a lot. Both IE and OW support it.
[Edit: not only is it one keystroke, but it's a BIG button].
[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: chromos ]</p>
Thanks for the suggestions...
Still no luck with opening 0.27... Sherlock did not seem to find anything using the search string ~/.moziilla - nor did I with a quick tour through the prefs folder... Launching from the desktop did not seem to help either. The only thing that seems to happen (other than the crash prior to startup) is that there is a file Mozilla registry which is deposited in the preferences folder...
Cheers...
~/.mozilla
I actually meant:
/Users/yourname/.mozilla
Plus, the '.' in the beginning of a name will make it invisible; so, you'll have to use something other than the Finder to find and delete it. The easy way is through the Terminal. Here's a simple task for you:
- Open the Terminal (in the Applications/Utilities folder)
- By default, it starts you in your home directory. Type the command ls -a to get a list of all files and folders at your current level.
- Is ".mozilla" listed? If so, let's delete it. Enter the command rm -R .mozilla to delete it.
- Enter ls -a again to verify that .mozilla is gone.
- Close the Terminal and try launching Chimera again.
I hope this helps.[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
Open up a finder window and use CMD-~ and a sheet will pop down. Now type ~/.mozilla in the box and hit return. You will be taken to the "hidden" .mozilla folder, inside of which is the Chimera profile.
Good call, foamy!
edit: Oh! I just remembered where another prefs file is that you may want to remove, tiansa. Go to your ~/Library/Preferences folder and remove the org.mozilla.navigator.plist file.
[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<strong>Ridiculous, no? My bet is we see the arrow keys for navigation back in 0.2.8.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that command-arrow requires more of a contortion than command-brackets on an English keyboard. How about simply duplicating the controls, i.e. using both command-arrows and command-brackets? Using the same keyboard commands as IE makes it easier for people to convert back to Navigator. Let the user choose and use the commands (s)he likes!
[Edit: I should read all the replies before posting. Sounds like Dave read my mind and is going to implement both command-arrows and command-brackets.]
By the way, the lag when typing in a text box is even worse than in MS Word. Why is that? Is it OS X's fault, or is this something that the Chimera dev team can fix in a future release?
Escher
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: Escher ]</p>
<strong>Nobody can decide whether to just steal the [Chimera] name, to stick with the name "Navigator", or to pick something else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Chimera is great for a project name. But the name of the actual browser product should be Navigator. Navigator, Netscape's first product, was a solid and efficient browser without all the clunky features that came with the later browsers. "Navigator" harks back to that admirable heritage. Just like seven years ago, Navigator reminds you that the browser will let you navigate the Web. As much as I like the name Chimera (I'm a fan of ancient Greek mythology), it has no connection whatsoever to the end product and will mean nothing to the end user. Developers and beta testers may understand that Chimera referes to the new Cocoa head (front-end) for the Mozilla body (rendering engine), but Navigator will be more meaningful for the average Mac users, who will hopefully adopt Navigator in droves.
I vote for Navigator!
Two issues I've run into with 0.2.7:
1. After a while, maybe 10-20 minutes of browsing, Navigator has a hard time reading its own cache. It says it's loading the cache, and shows the file path for the cache at the bottowm of the screen, but never renders the content.
2. The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com"; target="_blank">NY Times</a> website still manages to sneak pop-under ads by Navigator. This is quite infuriating. Whatever trick the site uses, it also manages to bypass my special security settings in IE, which disable all scripting for NYTimes.com.
I'm looking forward to more progress on Navigator/Chimera!
Escher
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: Escher ]</p>
<strong>As much as I like the name Chimera (I'm a fan of ancient Greek mythology), it has no connection whatsoever to the end product and will mean nothing to the end user.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I vote that we let Netscape use the name "Chimera", on the grounds that their product is an ugly-ass monstrosity of mismatched parts stuck together.
For everyone that wants arrow navigation back without waiting for he next version, quit Navigator, open up the Terminal, use this command, and re-launch Navigator:
[code]defaults write org.mozilla.navigator NSUserKeyEquivalents '{"Back" = "@\\UF702"; "Forward" = "@\\UF703";}'</pre><hr></blockquote>
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<strong>2. The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com"; target="_blank">NY Times</a> website still manages to sneak pop-under ads by Navigator. This is quite infuriating. Whatever trick the site uses, it also manages to bypass my special security settings in IE, which disable all scripting for NYTimes.com.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I recently bought a key to OmniWeb and am using it as my backup browser instead of IE. Navigator/Chimera is now my primary door to the web! Anyway, OmniWeb seems to be the only browser successfully to block the NYTimes pop-under ads. (I haven't tried Mozilla/Netscape though.)
It suddenly seems like the fast pace of updates to Chimera has slowed to a crawl. It's been ten days since 0.2.7 came out! Is this because a lot of voluteer developers are stuck with finals?
Impatiently (but thankful for Navigator),
Escher
[ 05-13-2002: Message edited by: Escher ]</p>
-robo
<strong>Apparently the Chimera development team is in negotiations with Microsoft for a buyout.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's not so far-fetched, seeing that history has a tendency to repeat itself. There's a lot more competition now, though, than when Mosaic was the only graphical browser. I remember insiting on using Lynx in a Unix terminal window for months because I couldn't see the utility of having images embedded in HTML.
What truly amazes me, is that Navigator/Chimera is significantly faster at (downloading and) rendering web pages than IE and OmniWeb. That's why Navigator is my primary browser now, even though I have to use OW and IE for backup.
Escher
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[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<strong>Apparently Apple has been keeping an eye on Chimera's development. They used Chimera in the demo of Xserve today...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Cool. Way cool! Kickass, Navigator/Chimera! Must be gratifying for the open source Chimera dev team to see Phil use their app for such a high-profile demo.
Escher