Software RAID isn't always slower. Hardware RAID often has better fault protection though.
Doing RAID in software should take additional cycles from the CPU, specially for RAID configurations that require parity computation, lowering the overall system performance.
The new "cable-free, direct-attach installation system" for the hard drives seems like the mechanism used in the G5 XServes. I REALLY HOPE that Apple will provide all the enclosures for the drives so that we will be able to upgrade/add the drives ourselves; $400 for a 500GB drive is a ripoff.
I am really anxious to know more about this. Anyone have anything to add here? Thanks!
Doing RAID in software should take additional cycles from the CPU, specially for RAID configurations that require parity computation, lowering the overall system performance.
But not by more than a few percent. It was a problem years ago, but not anymore. I used it successfully with far slower machines than these.
I am really anxious to know more about this. Anyone have anything to add here? Thanks!
It looks to be a simple removeable drive case, or plate that the drive is attached to, similar to a hot removable system. It just plugs into the rear sockets.
It looks to be a simple removeable drive case, or plate that the drive is attached to, similar to a hot removable system. It just plugs into the rear sockets.
I had a G5 XServe and it shipped with filler drive cases in the unused slots. These filler cases were missing the connector end and hence couldn't be used to add a drive. And since this was a custom design, I was stuck with ordering from Apple.
I had a G5 XServe and it shipped with filler drive cases in the unused slots. These filler cases were missing the connector end and hence couldn't be used to add a drive. And since this was a custom design, I was stuck with ordering from Apple.
This is something that we'll just have to see. While I can understand that being true for an X Serve, where the cases are external, these are internal. I'm not even sure that the photo's that Apple has released are from machines thar have their drive bays filled with drives, or empty cases.
I "ordered" through Dell Small Business. If you picked Gov or Large Business, the default service plan might be higher.
Ah...that's the culprit. I went medium/large business which is where I usually order from. I stand corrected.
That sucks though, that means I need to check all categories to make sure I can reduce options I don't want and there may be some combos I simply can't get.
This is something that we'll just have to see. While I can understand that being true for an X Serve, where the cases are external, these are internal. I'm not even sure that the photo's that Apple has released are from machines thar have their drive bays filled with drives, or empty cases.
If I am interpreting it right, I think all the Mac Pro carriers are included and no extra boards are needed.
In the "Tech Specs" page:
"Four independent 3Gb/s Serial ATA cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays; four internal hard drive carriers included"
Under the "storage" category, top of second column.
Other interesting things:
You can downgrade the CPUs to a 2.0GHz Quad to save $300, only $200 more than the previous dual core 2GHz.
The 3GHz Quad ends up being the same price as the old PPC Quad.
Yes, they are Jeff. Timing is funny. I just went back to that page and saw it. Didn't notice it the first time.
I wish they would drop that grey on black lettering, I have to squint to read it.
And, in keeping with Apple's terrible policy of only quoting max capacities, when they sell it, the drive bays should be able to handle any SATA 750GB, or higher when they come out, drives.
Thanks for remembering me THT. I was off in that I predicted 2.33 instead of 2.66 though as mid-line.
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No way is Apple going to take a margin that low. 25% is the minimum.
That's basically how it works out. $2200 for a Quad-2.0 w/ 1 GB RAM. Parts cost about $1650 (7300GT instead of 7600GT). I guessed a $2200 Quad low-end, and pretty much got it.
Thanks for remembering me THT. I was off in that I predicted 2.33 instead of 2.66 though as mid-line.
That's basically how it works out. $2200 for a Quad-2.0 w/ 1 GB RAM. Parts cost about $1650 (7300GT instead of 7600GT). I guessed a $2200 Quad low-end, and pretty much got it.
I guess we should figure what kind of prize to get.
I wish they would drop that grey on black lettering, I have to squint to read it.
And, in keeping with Apple's terrible policy of only quoting max capacities, when they sell it, the drive bays should be able to handle any SATA 750GB, or higher when they come out, drives.
That gives the machines a total of 3TB, not 2 TB.
I complained about the coloring on the MacBook Pro pages several months ago to a graphic design person and he didn't understand the complaint. I guess low contrast text is going to be the new fine print. A lighter gray would do wonders.
Are computer makers somehow not able to offer the latest hard drives? I haven't seen a notebook from anyone that offered the 160GB notebook drives (some even only offer 100GB max BTO for high end models), and I haven't seen any desktop yet that offered the 750GB drives. Not that it matters to me, because I'd just get the minimum drive and order upgrades from somewhere else.
I complained about the coloring on the MacBook Pro pages several months ago to a graphic design person and he didn't understand the complaint. I guess low contrast text is going to be the new fine print. A lighter gray would do wonders.
Are computer makers somehow not able to offer the latest hard drives? I haven't seen a notebook from anyone that offered the 160GB notebook drives (some even only offer 100GB max BTO for high end models), and I haven't seen any desktop yet that offered the 750GB drives. Not that it matters to me, because I'd just get the minimum drive and order upgrades from somewhere else.
I AM a graphics design person, and can tell you that the rule is to NEVER even use more than a short bit of white text on black. Grey on black is a basic no no, but some designers think it is so very, ooh ooh cool.
Apple has always been conservative.
Using the Wayback Machine, I go to my old 950. It took SIMMS of a max size of 4 MB (for you new fogies out there, yes 4 MB.).
There were 16 memory slots. I called Apple and asked if the machine would use the new 16MB SIMMS that had just come out. I was, at first, told no. Under duress, he admitted that he didn't know, because Apple hadn't tested any 16MB SIMMS.
I bought two ($1,200 apiece!), and put them in. They worked perfectly.
When Apple first came out with the G5 Powermac, they claimed a max of 8 GM RAM, you might remember. But, in the developers specs I downloaded, it was made very clear that they would take 16GM RAM. Why didn't Apple advertise that? Because the DIMMs cost $7,000 apiece, and guess what? Apple hadn't tested them!
I can only assume that Apple hasn't tested the 750's to see if the heat and power draw is within their specs as yet. Therefore, they are loathe to claim it.
It's more than plenty for my use. I plan to deploy 4GB (8x512MB), as I remember reading somewhere in Intel documentation that you get best performance (on Bensley) with all slots occupied.
Other Woodcrest workstations are being offered at 32 and 64GB. I wonder if there is a 16GB limitation in Tiger. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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Software RAID isn't always slower. Hardware RAID often has better fault protection though.
Doing RAID in software should take additional cycles from the CPU, specially for RAID configurations that require parity computation, lowering the overall system performance.
The new "cable-free, direct-attach installation system" for the hard drives seems like the mechanism used in the G5 XServes. I REALLY HOPE that Apple will provide all the enclosures for the drives so that we will be able to upgrade/add the drives ourselves; $400 for a 500GB drive is a ripoff.
I am really anxious to know more about this. Anyone have anything to add here? Thanks!
Doing RAID in software should take additional cycles from the CPU, specially for RAID configurations that require parity computation, lowering the overall system performance.
But not by more than a few percent. It was a problem years ago, but not anymore. I used it successfully with far slower machines than these.
I am really anxious to know more about this. Anyone have anything to add here? Thanks!
It looks to be a simple removeable drive case, or plate that the drive is attached to, similar to a hot removable system. It just plugs into the rear sockets.
But not by more than a few percent. It was a problem years ago, but not anymore. I used it successfully with far slower machines than these.
Thanks, that's good to know.
It looks to be a simple removeable drive case, or plate that the drive is attached to, similar to a hot removable system. It just plugs into the rear sockets.
I had a G5 XServe and it shipped with filler drive cases in the unused slots. These filler cases were missing the connector end and hence couldn't be used to add a drive. And since this was a custom design, I was stuck with ordering from Apple.
I had a G5 XServe and it shipped with filler drive cases in the unused slots. These filler cases were missing the connector end and hence couldn't be used to add a drive. And since this was a custom design, I was stuck with ordering from Apple.
This is something that we'll just have to see. While I can understand that being true for an X Serve, where the cases are external, these are internal. I'm not even sure that the photo's that Apple has released are from machines thar have their drive bays filled with drives, or empty cases.
2x 2.66 GHZ dual core, Xeon 5150, the same as shown in the Keynote picture.
Also, the optical drive option you picked is a dual optical drive, including a CD writer plus a DVD writer.
Here is a print of the order page:
http://demaagd.com/gr/DellPrec590.pdf
There is a $408 difference between the Economy plan and the Essential plan that you listed in your original quote:
http://demaagd.com/gr/DellPrec590-2.pdf
I "ordered" through Dell Small Business. If you picked Gov or Large Business, the default service plan might be higher.
Ah...that's the culprit. I went medium/large business which is where I usually order from. I stand corrected.
That sucks though, that means I need to check all categories to make sure I can reduce options I don't want and there may be some combos I simply can't get.
Vinea
This is something that we'll just have to see. While I can understand that being true for an X Serve, where the cases are external, these are internal. I'm not even sure that the photo's that Apple has released are from machines thar have their drive bays filled with drives, or empty cases.
If I am interpreting it right, I think all the Mac Pro carriers are included and no extra boards are needed.
In the "Tech Specs" page:
"Four independent 3Gb/s Serial ATA cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays; four internal hard drive carriers included"
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html
Under the "storage" category, top of second column.
Other interesting things:
You can downgrade the CPUs to a 2.0GHz Quad to save $300, only $200 more than the previous dual core 2GHz.
The 3GHz Quad ends up being the same price as the old PPC Quad.
If I am interpreting it right, I think all the Mac Pro carriers are included and no extra boards are needed.
In the "Tech Specs" page:
"Four independent 3Gb/s Serial ATA cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays; four internal hard drive carriers included"
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html
Under the "storage" category, top of second column.
Other interesting things:
You can downgrade the CPUs to a 2.0GHz Quad to save $300, only $200 more than the previous dual core 2GHz.
The 3GHz Quad ends up being the same price as the old PPC Quad.
Yes, they are Jeff. Timing is funny. I just went back to that page and saw it. Didn't notice it the first time.
I wish they would drop that grey on black lettering, I have to squint to read it.
And, in keeping with Apple's terrible policy of only quoting max capacities, when they sell it, the drive bays should be able to handle any SATA 750GB, or higher when they come out, drives.
That gives the machines a total of 3TB, not 2 TB.
No way is Apple going to take a margin that low. 25% is the minimum.
That's basically how it works out. $2200 for a Quad-2.0 w/ 1 GB RAM. Parts cost about $1650 (7300GT instead of 7600GT). I guessed a $2200 Quad low-end, and pretty much got it.
Thanks for remembering me THT. I was off in that I predicted 2.33 instead of 2.66 though as mid-line.
That's basically how it works out. $2200 for a Quad-2.0 w/ 1 GB RAM. Parts cost about $1650 (7300GT instead of 7600GT). I guessed a $2200 Quad low-end, and pretty much got it.
I guess we should figure what kind of prize to get.
Um, the shot at buying a Mac Pro is enough. Off to pizza, then to work on the parents.
Good luck. I know what that's like, I AM "the parents".
Fortunately for my daughter, I don't mind doing it.
I wish they would drop that grey on black lettering, I have to squint to read it.
And, in keeping with Apple's terrible policy of only quoting max capacities, when they sell it, the drive bays should be able to handle any SATA 750GB, or higher when they come out, drives.
That gives the machines a total of 3TB, not 2 TB.
I complained about the coloring on the MacBook Pro pages several months ago to a graphic design person and he didn't understand the complaint. I guess low contrast text is going to be the new fine print. A lighter gray would do wonders.
Are computer makers somehow not able to offer the latest hard drives? I haven't seen a notebook from anyone that offered the 160GB notebook drives (some even only offer 100GB max BTO for high end models), and I haven't seen any desktop yet that offered the 750GB drives. Not that it matters to me, because I'd just get the minimum drive and order upgrades from somewhere else.
If I am interpreting it right, I think all the Mac Pro carriers are included and no extra boards are needed.
In the "Tech Specs" page:
"Four independent 3Gb/s Serial ATA cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays; four internal hard drive carriers included"
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html
Under the "storage" category, top of second column.
Thanks! I think I am ready to buy it now.
I complained about the coloring on the MacBook Pro pages several months ago to a graphic design person and he didn't understand the complaint. I guess low contrast text is going to be the new fine print. A lighter gray would do wonders.
Are computer makers somehow not able to offer the latest hard drives? I haven't seen a notebook from anyone that offered the 160GB notebook drives (some even only offer 100GB max BTO for high end models), and I haven't seen any desktop yet that offered the 750GB drives. Not that it matters to me, because I'd just get the minimum drive and order upgrades from somewhere else.
I AM a graphics design person, and can tell you that the rule is to NEVER even use more than a short bit of white text on black. Grey on black is a basic no no, but some designers think it is so very, ooh ooh cool.
Apple has always been conservative.
Using the Wayback Machine, I go to my old 950. It took SIMMS of a max size of 4 MB (for you new fogies out there, yes 4 MB.).
There were 16 memory slots. I called Apple and asked if the machine would use the new 16MB SIMMS that had just come out. I was, at first, told no. Under duress, he admitted that he didn't know, because Apple hadn't tested any 16MB SIMMS.
I bought two ($1,200 apiece!), and put them in. They worked perfectly.
When Apple first came out with the G5 Powermac, they claimed a max of 8 GM RAM, you might remember. But, in the developers specs I downloaded, it was made very clear that they would take 16GM RAM. Why didn't Apple advertise that? Because the DIMMs cost $7,000 apiece, and guess what? Apple hadn't tested them!
I can only assume that Apple hasn't tested the 750's to see if the heat and power draw is within their specs as yet. Therefore, they are loathe to claim it.
1. New Cinema Displays with IR (and iSight) are coming, or
2. Separate IR accessory (USB/IR and Apple Remote) that can be used with older Macs as well
Other Woodcrest workstations are being offered at 32 and 64GB. I wonder if there is a 16GB limitation in Tiger. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks!