You're complaining about teenage girls walking into your room???
If I were 16, it would be heaven, but I'm 56, and while I like her friends, it's not the same thing.
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Anyway, about the screens, if apple are ordering enough 23" screens to put in iMacs as well as Cinema Displays now, then thats a big increase in their order, and probably cheaper per unit than when they were just for the Cinema Displays, it all counts to getting the price down for the 23" iMac. So here's hoping for a straight swap from 17/20" to 20/23" at the same prices :P . 17" for education.
As I said earlier, LCD panels fell by 33% this year, and are expected to fall by another 33% before too long.
If Apple does the right calculations, and can take advantage of the future drop, they might be able to come out with models that use the larger sizes for the same prices as the current ones.
But, Apple knows better than we do just what is possible in pricing.
Sigh! You know, these site names get more confusing all the time. I'm trying to respond in the middle of my daughters birthday party, with both her, and her friends, constantly popping into my computer room, asking me what I'm doing, hoping it's something interesting (I guess this doesn't count )
So, you're right, I am getting them mixed up.
Ok, macrumors is the one that repeats everyone else's info, macosrumors is the hopeless one, and macosxrumors is a decent site overall.
I hope that straightens things out before I get another rush of teenage girls in here, and I become confused again!
Now you got it right. And you can let the kids jump around freely.
Back on topic - Apple tends to base prices on what components cost now, and keep the change as extra margin. That's what happened with the iMac, Cinema Display, Mac Mini and Macbook so far. The only counter example seems to be the x1900xt in the Mac Pro.
I was referring to Placebo's joke in Temporary Insanity about 3 weeks ago.
Also joking about how you're 56 and the rest of us are under 30 (or in my case, under 20).
Well, I'm pretty sure that not EVERYONE here is under 30.
Anyway, even if you're under 30, and going around 20, 15 year olds will still get you into trouble, especially with these girls, who go to an art/performance/dance school.
Trust me on that. I work on their shows, and they can easily look 20.
Back on topic - Apple tends to base prices on what components cost now, and keep the change as extra margin. That's what happened with the iMac, Cinema Display, Mac Mini and Macbook so far. The only counter example seems to be the x1900xt in the Mac Pro.
But they also introduce new monitors at much lower prices than what is around at the time.
The original 22" display was at $4,000, when there wasn't anything else around in that size, rez, or quality. Same thing for their other displays. The 30", for example, was astonishing in its quality, size, and price when it first arrived. It took other companies over a year, and even longer, to match what Apple had.
So, there's the possibility that Apple could do that again here.
At first I slightly disliked my 20" iMac G5's chin but that impression quickly wore off and it's been a convenient spot for stick-on items. Plus there'd be more negatives like you've mentioned without it.
The bottom chin also lets you place your palm against the front of the iMac while you plug the power cord and other cables into the back. If the border around the screen were too thin, people would end up pressing the screen itself.
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The more user-servicable rev. A/B design, please. Being able to easily remove the HD from my rev. B before taking the system in for repair (twice) has easily been worth more to me than having the rev. C would be.
If an experienced person like yourself thinks that rev C and later iMacs are difficult to take apart, imagine how the technicians who have to repair these things every day must feel. I know at least one Apple authorized technician who refuses to service certain Mac laptop and desktop models because of Apple's disregard for technicians. Those models get automatically shipped out to Apple because he just doesn't want to deal with them. It also means customers have to wait longer for those repairs.
Anyway, even if you're under 30, and going around 20, 15 year olds will still get you into trouble, especially with these girls, who go to an art/performance/dance school.
I'm only 19. But I'm just screwing with you.
Personally, I have to wonder if 23" is too big for a consumer monitor right now - my 20 inch Samsung will take up most of my desk when I get speakers and a keyboard. And that's without a chin.
However, I think Apple will move to iMac HD regardless of screen size. There are 17" widescreen TFT LCDs with HD resolutions, and it's only a matter of time before we see 20" 1920x1200 screens.
Personally, I have to wonder if 23" is too big for a consumer monitor right now - my 20 inch Samsung will take up most of my desk when I get speakers and a keyboard. And that's without a chin.
However, I think Apple will move to iMac HD regardless of screen size. There are 17" widescreen TFT LCDs with HD resolutions, and it's only a matter of time before we see 20" 1920x1200 screens.
You're not the only one, it's ok.
But the 20" won't play 1080i or p in a native rez. The 23 will.
Maybe we will see that rez in a smaller screen if 10.5 has the rez independence it looks it might have. Other wise, I don't think so.
But the 20" won't play 1080i or p in a native rez. The 23 will.
Maybe we will see that rez in a smaller screen if 10.5 has the rez independence it looks it might have. Other wise, I don't think so.
10.5 has resolution independence. We've known that since the MWSF 2005. They dropped it from Tiger but left the frameworks in, and some of the docs say it'll be in 10.5
What I meant was that there are 19" laptop screens that can do 1080p. PCWorld reviewed a high-end Acer with one. Maybe it was an Alienware. It's probably expensive, but if you have one iMac HD, you may as well have 2.
remember when Apple introduced the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at the same time?
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
13"? I could maybe see the return of a 15" iMac (in widescreen obviously), but 13" is just too small for a desktop in this day and age. It would never fly. Not to mention the engineering costs of putting a 3.5" hard drive and a full-sized graphics card in that small of a case would outweigh the cheap screen. You'd combine everything that people hate about the mini (small hard drive, crappy graphics) with what people hate about the iMac (built-in screen, in this case a useless one)
remember when Apple introduced the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at the same time?
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
I'm with the others. I don't think a 13" iMac makes sense. The small screen size may be considered a necessary compromise for portability, but for mostly-stationary systems, I just don't see it being accepted. For only $100 more, you can just get a Mac Book and get a built-in UPS and mobility.
I don't think a $999 17" iMac is at all out of the question if they offer the education version ($899 to edu markets) to the general public, so I don't see why such a compromise is necessary.
If I were 16, it would be heaven, but I'm 56, and while I like her friends, it's not the same thing.
Mmmph...when I'm 56 my daughter will be 16 as well. Hey, at least its not your wife going "WTH are you in the computer room during your daughter's party?" which is what my wife would be doing.
10.5 has resolution independence. We've known that since the MWSF 2005. They dropped it from Tiger but left the frameworks in, and some of the docs say it'll be in 10.5
What I meant was that there are 19" laptop screens that can do 1080p. PCWorld reviewed a high-end Acer with one. Maybe it was an Alienware. It's probably expensive, but if you have one iMac HD, you may as well have 2.
We can't assume anything until it's here. Quartz Extreme was supposed to be turned on in 10.4, but it wasn't. We knew that too.
Mmmph...when I'm 56 my daughter will be 16 as well. Hey, at least its not your wife going "WTH are you in the computer room during your daughter's party?" which is what my wife would be doing.
Vinea
We try to keep out of their way as much as possible. We'll go in to wherever they are every so often to ask if they need anything, but that's about all.
Since it's an art school, and they use Mac's for their work, they like to see if I'm doing anything that might interest them, because we talk about it.
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You're complaining about teenage girls walking into your room???
If I were 16, it would be heaven, but I'm 56, and while I like her friends, it's not the same thing.
Anyway, about the screens, if apple are ordering enough 23" screens to put in iMacs as well as Cinema Displays now, then thats a big increase in their order, and probably cheaper per unit than when they were just for the Cinema Displays, it all counts to getting the price down for the 23" iMac. So here's hoping for a straight swap from 17/20" to 20/23" at the same prices :P . 17" for education.
As I said earlier, LCD panels fell by 33% this year, and are expected to fall by another 33% before too long.
If Apple does the right calculations, and can take advantage of the future drop, they might be able to come out with models that use the larger sizes for the same prices as the current ones.
But, Apple knows better than we do just what is possible in pricing.
Sigh! You know, these site names get more confusing all the time. I'm trying to respond in the middle of my daughters birthday party, with both her, and her friends, constantly popping into my computer room, asking me what I'm doing, hoping it's something interesting (I guess this doesn't count
So, you're right, I am getting them mixed up.
Ok, macrumors is the one that repeats everyone else's info, macosrumors is the hopeless one, and macosxrumors is a decent site overall.
I hope that straightens things out before I get another rush of teenage girls in here, and I become confused again!
Now you got it right. And you can let the kids jump around freely.
Is it story time for you again, melgross?
And by that you mean?
Also joking about how you're 56 and the rest of us are under 30 (or in my case, under 20).
I was referring to Placebo's joke in Temporary Insanity about 3 weeks ago.
Also joking about how you're 56 and the rest of us are under 30 (or in my case, under 20).
Well, I'm pretty sure that not EVERYONE here is under 30.
Anyway, even if you're under 30, and going around 20, 15 year olds will still get you into trouble, especially with these girls, who go to an art/performance/dance school.
Trust me on that. I work on their shows, and they can easily look 20.
Back on topic - Apple tends to base prices on what components cost now, and keep the change as extra margin. That's what happened with the iMac, Cinema Display, Mac Mini and Macbook so far. The only counter example seems to be the x1900xt in the Mac Pro.
But they also introduce new monitors at much lower prices than what is around at the time.
The original 22" display was at $4,000, when there wasn't anything else around in that size, rez, or quality. Same thing for their other displays. The 30", for example, was astonishing in its quality, size, and price when it first arrived. It took other companies over a year, and even longer, to match what Apple had.
So, there's the possibility that Apple could do that again here.
At first I slightly disliked my 20" iMac G5's chin but that impression quickly wore off and it's been a convenient spot for stick-on items. Plus there'd be more negatives like you've mentioned without it.
The bottom chin also lets you place your palm against the front of the iMac while you plug the power cord and other cables into the back. If the border around the screen were too thin, people would end up pressing the screen itself.
The more user-servicable rev. A/B design, please. Being able to easily remove the HD from my rev. B before taking the system in for repair (twice) has easily been worth more to me than having the rev. C would be.
If an experienced person like yourself thinks that rev C and later iMacs are difficult to take apart, imagine how the technicians who have to repair these things every day must feel. I know at least one Apple authorized technician who refuses to service certain Mac laptop and desktop models because of Apple's disregard for technicians. Those models get automatically shipped out to Apple because he just doesn't want to deal with them. It also means customers have to wait longer for those repairs.
Anyway, even if you're under 30, and going around 20, 15 year olds will still get you into trouble, especially with these girls, who go to an art/performance/dance school.
I'm only 19. But I'm just screwing with you.
Personally, I have to wonder if 23" is too big for a consumer monitor right now - my 20 inch Samsung will take up most of my desk when I get speakers and a keyboard. And that's without a chin.
However, I think Apple will move to iMac HD regardless of screen size. There are 17" widescreen TFT LCDs with HD resolutions, and it's only a matter of time before we see 20" 1920x1200 screens.
I'm only 19. But I'm just screwing with you.
Personally, I have to wonder if 23" is too big for a consumer monitor right now - my 20 inch Samsung will take up most of my desk when I get speakers and a keyboard. And that's without a chin.
However, I think Apple will move to iMac HD regardless of screen size. There are 17" widescreen TFT LCDs with HD resolutions, and it's only a matter of time before we see 20" 1920x1200 screens.
You're not the only one, it's ok.
But the 20" won't play 1080i or p in a native rez. The 23 will.
Maybe we will see that rez in a smaller screen if 10.5 has the rez independence it looks it might have. Other wise, I don't think so.
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
I would be interested in seeing just how they use the same 13" Macbook screen for a 13 and 23" iMac.
But the 20" won't play 1080i or p in a native rez. The 23 will.
Maybe we will see that rez in a smaller screen if 10.5 has the rez independence it looks it might have. Other wise, I don't think so.
10.5 has resolution independence. We've known that since the MWSF 2005. They dropped it from Tiger but left the frameworks in, and some of the docs say it'll be in 10.5
What I meant was that there are 19" laptop screens that can do 1080p. PCWorld reviewed a high-end Acer with one. Maybe it was an Alienware. It's probably expensive, but if you have one iMac HD, you may as well have 2.
remember when Apple introduced the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at the same time?
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
13"? I could maybe see the return of a 15" iMac (in widescreen obviously), but 13" is just too small for a desktop in this day and age. It would never fly. Not to mention the engineering costs of putting a 3.5" hard drive and a full-sized graphics card in that small of a case would outweigh the cheap screen. You'd combine everything that people hate about the mini (small hard drive, crappy graphics) with what people hate about the iMac (built-in screen, in this case a useless one)
remember when Apple introduced the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at the same time?
I wish Apple would introduce a 13" and 23" iMac.
they could use the same 13" screen as the MacBook and hit the $999 price point.
I'm with the others. I don't think a 13" iMac makes sense. The small screen size may be considered a necessary compromise for portability, but for mostly-stationary systems, I just don't see it being accepted. For only $100 more, you can just get a Mac Book and get a built-in UPS and mobility.
I don't think a $999 17" iMac is at all out of the question if they offer the education version ($899 to edu markets) to the general public, so I don't see why such a compromise is necessary.
If I were 16, it would be heaven, but I'm 56, and while I like her friends, it's not the same thing.
Mmmph...when I'm 56 my daughter will be 16 as well. Hey, at least its not your wife going "WTH are you in the computer room during your daughter's party?" which is what my wife would be doing.
Vinea
10.5 has resolution independence. We've known that since the MWSF 2005. They dropped it from Tiger but left the frameworks in, and some of the docs say it'll be in 10.5
What I meant was that there are 19" laptop screens that can do 1080p. PCWorld reviewed a high-end Acer with one. Maybe it was an Alienware. It's probably expensive, but if you have one iMac HD, you may as well have 2.
We can't assume anything until it's here. Quartz Extreme was supposed to be turned on in 10.4, but it wasn't. We knew that too.
Mmmph...when I'm 56 my daughter will be 16 as well. Hey, at least its not your wife going "WTH are you in the computer room during your daughter's party?" which is what my wife would be doing.
Vinea
We try to keep out of their way as much as possible. We'll go in to wherever they are every so often to ask if they need anything, but that's about all.
Since it's an art school, and they use Mac's for their work, they like to see if I'm doing anything that might interest them, because we talk about it.