No, it's not the same because you are buying the whole product whether you buy the DVD or a download. For movies, it doesn't as much make sense to buy part of a DVD as it does to buy part of a CD to just get the song that you want.
Don't you get the idea? When this box lets you access all your content from iTunes USING THE APPLE REMOTE, then you will be able to eliminate:
1. stereo
2. dvd player
3. vhs player
4. TV remote (cause you'll be watching TV through the iTV)
5. home theater system (cause eventually, the iTV will replace that, too)
There go your four remotes, all rolled into one! (yeah, I know that's 5, but a lotta folks won't have the vhs...)
That assumes the TV is automatically turned on somehow, otherwise you still need the TV remote just to turn it on. If you have a regular sound system that's not part of the TV, then you still need to turn that on.
Don't you get the idea? When this box lets you access all your content from iTunes USING THE APPLE REMOTE, then you will be able to eliminate:
1. stereo
2. dvd player
3. vhs player
4. TV remote (cause you'll be watching TV through the iTV)
5. home theater system (cause eventually, the iTV will replace that, too)
There go your four remotes, all rolled into one! (yeah, I know that's 5, but a lotta folks won't have the vhs...)
Not gonna happen, at least in my house. I still need my remote for regular TV (NFL, CSI). I still need my DVD player because I have quite a few DVD's. I still need my home theater because it connects to my speakers and DVD is part of the home theater. So I won't be spending more money for iTV because I already have the equivalent if it and it works very well for me.
No, he never said calendar or fiscal. I listened very closely for that, as I had heard that same question before I watched the feed. He said "Q1 2007" exactly like that, at least twice.
Errm, no. You'd be incorrect.
53 minutes, 21 seconds into the speech. "First calendar quarter of 2007."
So the pieces are all there for HD. Without HD the iTV box wouldn't sell.
In America HD television has only reached around 10% penetration of its potential market.
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But considering that the iPod API is *still* closed, I don't have much hope.
What exactly is the iPod API? If there is one perhaps it doesn't need to be open. You have little limitation on what media you can store on the iPod, virtually no limitation where you can play back that media. And there is a billion dollar industry in third party products giving the iPod functionality that Apple had no intended or thought of.
Not gonna happen, at least in my house. I still need my remote for regular TV (NFL, CSI). I still need my DVD player because I have quite a few DVD's. I still need my home theater because it connects to my speakers and DVD is part of the home theater. So I won't be spending more money for iTV because I already have the equivalent if it and it works very well for me.
My point was that I think, eventually, the iTV, or a number of products very similar, will come to replace the current TV setup. After all, don't a lot of cable boxes control the TV's volume settings? I think that's what Apple has in mind. Eventually, the commercial product (or whatever name they choose) that we saw as the iTV will become a functional equivilent of the home theater, with attached speakers, iPod dock, connections to the computer's DVD player, etc. What I said is that (I think) this is the Apple vision, to have the Mac as the Digital Hub, controlling your entertainment content. With such a setup, you would only need the one remote, according to this idea. You'd get the content downloaded, or streamed in real time, off the internet, chosen by you, for viewing either now, or at your later convenience.
Both Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have noted, in public statements, that they feel that the DVD is the last physical media we will see movie content use. This box, and other products like it, will be what makes that come true.
Of course, it'll take a few years, and a few upgrades of the box, to get to that point. But I think this idea will revolutionize the entertainment industry, and maybe the communications industry, too.
I did not mean to imply that the currently "peeked at" box will do that by itself. Not ready yet, by any means!
Both Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have noted, in public statements, that they feel that the DVD is the last physical media we will see movie content use. This box, and other products like it, will be what makes that come true.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them. Consumers like me just don't buy it. It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation). I finally changed (to ATSC) because OTV HD is free.
It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation).
Congress is not passing those laws to force consumers to switch to ATSC.
Congress is passing laws to force television manufactures, broadcast equipment manufactures, and broadcast companies to switch to ATSC.
Once the NTSC signal is switched off the consumer has no choice.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them. Consumers like me just don't buy it. It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation). I finally changed (to ATSC) because OTV HD is free.
You have a point. New technology doesn't always take over everywhere. After all, aren't a lot of folks still using rabbit ears to get broadcast Tv frrom just one, two or three local stations?
But if the movie studios decide they like the idea of streamed media, and find that it beats the h*** outta spending those big buck to cut the DVDs - you're gonna be outta luck getting them once they stop selling them, unless from the local yard sales or second hand store.
Legislation? Where'd you get that idea? The only place that comes in is with the switch to HDTV. Movie sales don't enter into that. I predict that broadcast TV signals won't last much past 2020. Technology is moving much faster than that. There may be some local stations pushing signals out beyond that date, but the big media companies will get away from that once this on demand thing gets going.
These markets are driven by the money. Show them the money and they'll come draggin their tongues behind them.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them.
Exactly. And it's lucrative because consumers are willing to pony up the cash to buy. Put the two together, and you've got a major social revolution in entertainment markets. There is a LOT of money to be made there, and the guys with the right vision will walk away with the prize.
You have a point. New technology doesn't always take over everywhere. After all, aren't a lot of folks still using rabbit ears to get broadcast Tv frrom just one, two or three local stations?
But if the movie studios decide they like the idea of streamed media, and find that it beats the h*** outta spending those big buck to cut the DVDs - you're gonna be outta luck getting them once they stop selling them, unless from the local yard sales or second hand store.
Legislation? Where'd you get that idea? The only place that comes in is with the switch to HDTV. Movie sales don't enter into that. I predict that broadcast TV signals won't last much past 2020. Technology is moving much faster than that. There may be some local stations pushing signals out beyond that date, but the big media companies will get away from that once this on demand thing gets going.
These markets are driven by the money. Show them the money and they'll come draggin their tongues behind them.
My point is when it comes to TV, it takes legistion to get consumers to change. iTV or whatever isn't gonna replace broadcast TV especially when they can charge how many millions for 30 seconds of commercial time for the superbowl and American Idol.
Movie sales don't fall under that, but change is difficult there too. They are still VHS machines and VHS movies. I don't believe they will replace DVD's anytime soon either. Change is just very difficult especially when what we have now works so well, at least for me.
Also, it not a switch to HD but a switch to digital and it's not just 3 stations. The switch to ATSC (digital) gives me 5 PBS channels (sub-channel really).
My point is when it comes to TV, it takes legistion to get consumers to change. iTV or whatever isn't gonna replace broadcast TV especially when they can charge how many millions for 30 seconds of commercial time for the superbowl and American Idol.
Movie sales don't fall under that, but change is difficult there too. They are still VHS machines and VHS movies. I don't believe they will replace DVD's anytime soon either. Change is just very difficult especially when what we have now works so well, at least for me.
Also, it not a switch to HD but a switch to digital and it's not just 3 stations. The switch to ATSC (digital) gives me 5 PBS channels (sub-channel really).
Yeah, and as mentioned in another above post, Congress is legislating just that. So Bye-bye SD, huh?
I beg to differ on the superbowl thing. It WILL come. I didn't say tomorrow, but today, you can already buy the NFL season for your favorite team streamed to you on ITS. You don't think they'll get around to streaming the Superbowl, too? American idol is on ITS, too, didn't ya know?
As I said, change may not be overnight, but it WILL come. It'll come because the vast majority of Americans with the money that the entertainment industry sells to is willing to buy something new, when it makes their lives and entertainment more comfortable, and they percieve a value in it.
Call it what you will, but it signals a change in American life that will (and is) turning the entertainment industry on its head.
Yeah, and as mentioned in another above post, Congress is legislating just that. So Bye-bye SD, huh?
Broadcasters have to go from analog (NTSC) to digital (ATSC). DTV support SD along with HD, so HD still will be around. This is a very common misconception. Currently in SF, ABC broadcast one HD sub-channel and 2 SD sub-channels. PBS broadcast one HD sub-channel and 4 SD sub-channels.
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Actually, the cherry pick thing is the same.
No, it's not the same because you are buying the whole product whether you buy the DVD or a download. For movies, it doesn't as much make sense to buy part of a DVD as it does to buy part of a CD to just get the song that you want.
Don't you get the idea? When this box lets you access all your content from iTunes USING THE APPLE REMOTE, then you will be able to eliminate:
1. stereo
2. dvd player
3. vhs player
4. TV remote (cause you'll be watching TV through the iTV)
5. home theater system (cause eventually, the iTV will replace that, too)
There go your four remotes, all rolled into one! (yeah, I know that's 5, but a lotta folks won't have the vhs...)
That assumes the TV is automatically turned on somehow, otherwise you still need the TV remote just to turn it on. If you have a regular sound system that's not part of the TV, then you still need to turn that on.
I said it looks like ass in comparison to a HD source. Why don't you try your own suggestion and read the posts?
I never made any such suggestion, go back and read mine again. I said I had read posts IN OTHER FORUMS... about how people were saying it looked.
4. TV remote (cause you'll be watching TV through the iTV)
You will not be watching TV through the iTV.
Don't you get the idea? When this box lets you access all your content from iTunes USING THE APPLE REMOTE, then you will be able to eliminate:
1. stereo
2. dvd player
3. vhs player
4. TV remote (cause you'll be watching TV through the iTV)
5. home theater system (cause eventually, the iTV will replace that, too)
There go your four remotes, all rolled into one! (yeah, I know that's 5, but a lotta folks won't have the vhs...)
Not gonna happen, at least in my house. I still need my remote for regular TV (NFL, CSI). I still need my DVD player because I have quite a few DVD's. I still need my home theater because it connects to my speakers and DVD is part of the home theater. So I won't be spending more money for iTV because I already have the equivalent if it and it works very well for me.
No, he never said calendar or fiscal. I listened very closely for that, as I had heard that same question before I watched the feed. He said "Q1 2007" exactly like that, at least twice.
Errm, no. You'd be incorrect.
53 minutes, 21 seconds into the speech. "First calendar quarter of 2007."
Errm, no. You'd be incorrect.
53 minutes, 21 seconds into the speech. "First calendar quarter of 2007."
Ok, I'll go home and check that out tonight.
So the pieces are all there for HD. Without HD the iTV box wouldn't sell.
In America HD television has only reached around 10% penetration of its potential market.
But considering that the iPod API is *still* closed, I don't have much hope.
What exactly is the iPod API? If there is one perhaps it doesn't need to be open. You have little limitation on what media you can store on the iPod, virtually no limitation where you can play back that media. And there is a billion dollar industry in third party products giving the iPod functionality that Apple had no intended or thought of.
My point was that iTV needs to be the same.
You will not be watching TV through the iTV.
I think in a few years, that's exactly what you'll be doing, if not a box very similar.
Ok, I'll go home and check that out tonight.
Actually, it was "...first calendar quarter of next year.
However, at 1:05:14, he said "It's coming in Q1 of 2007."
Depends on where you look. So there.
Not gonna happen, at least in my house. I still need my remote for regular TV (NFL, CSI). I still need my DVD player because I have quite a few DVD's. I still need my home theater because it connects to my speakers and DVD is part of the home theater. So I won't be spending more money for iTV because I already have the equivalent if it and it works very well for me.
My point was that I think, eventually, the iTV, or a number of products very similar, will come to replace the current TV setup. After all, don't a lot of cable boxes control the TV's volume settings? I think that's what Apple has in mind. Eventually, the commercial product (or whatever name they choose) that we saw as the iTV will become a functional equivilent of the home theater, with attached speakers, iPod dock, connections to the computer's DVD player, etc. What I said is that (I think) this is the Apple vision, to have the Mac as the Digital Hub, controlling your entertainment content. With such a setup, you would only need the one remote, according to this idea. You'd get the content downloaded, or streamed in real time, off the internet, chosen by you, for viewing either now, or at your later convenience.
Both Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have noted, in public statements, that they feel that the DVD is the last physical media we will see movie content use. This box, and other products like it, will be what makes that come true.
Of course, it'll take a few years, and a few upgrades of the box, to get to that point. But I think this idea will revolutionize the entertainment industry, and maybe the communications industry, too.
I did not mean to imply that the currently "peeked at" box will do that by itself. Not ready yet, by any means!
Actually, it was "...first calendar quarter of next year.
However, at 1:05:14, he said "It's coming in Q1 of 2007."
Depends on where you look. So there.
I guess I'll look at BOTH spots to see it. Must be getting old...
Both Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have noted, in public statements, that they feel that the DVD is the last physical media we will see movie content use. This box, and other products like it, will be what makes that come true.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them. Consumers like me just don't buy it. It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation). I finally changed (to ATSC) because OTV HD is free.
It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation).
Congress is not passing those laws to force consumers to switch to ATSC.
Congress is passing laws to force television manufactures, broadcast equipment manufactures, and broadcast companies to switch to ATSC.
Once the NTSC signal is switched off the consumer has no choice.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them. Consumers like me just don't buy it. It took congress and multiple delays before finally deciding to get away from the NTSC analog TV. Despite how great the technology, people are not going to forward unless force to (legislation). I finally changed (to ATSC) because OTV HD is free.
You have a point. New technology doesn't always take over everywhere. After all, aren't a lot of folks still using rabbit ears to get broadcast Tv frrom just one, two or three local stations?
But if the movie studios decide they like the idea of streamed media, and find that it beats the h*** outta spending those big buck to cut the DVDs - you're gonna be outta luck getting them once they stop selling them, unless from the local yard sales or second hand store.
Legislation? Where'd you get that idea? The only place that comes in is with the switch to HDTV. Movie sales don't enter into that. I predict that broadcast TV signals won't last much past 2020. Technology is moving much faster than that. There may be some local stations pushing signals out beyond that date, but the big media companies will get away from that once this on demand thing gets going.
These markets are driven by the money. Show them the money and they'll come draggin their tongues behind them.
That is their vision because it is a lucrative one for them.
Exactly. And it's lucrative because consumers are willing to pony up the cash to buy. Put the two together, and you've got a major social revolution in entertainment markets. There is a LOT of money to be made there, and the guys with the right vision will walk away with the prize.
Congress is not passing those laws to force consumers to switch to ATSC.
Congress is passing laws to force television manufactures, broadcast equipment manufactures, and broadcast companies to switch to ATSC.
Once the NTSC signal is switched off the consumer has no choice.
whoops, duplicate
You have a point. New technology doesn't always take over everywhere. After all, aren't a lot of folks still using rabbit ears to get broadcast Tv frrom just one, two or three local stations?
But if the movie studios decide they like the idea of streamed media, and find that it beats the h*** outta spending those big buck to cut the DVDs - you're gonna be outta luck getting them once they stop selling them, unless from the local yard sales or second hand store.
Legislation? Where'd you get that idea? The only place that comes in is with the switch to HDTV. Movie sales don't enter into that. I predict that broadcast TV signals won't last much past 2020. Technology is moving much faster than that. There may be some local stations pushing signals out beyond that date, but the big media companies will get away from that once this on demand thing gets going.
These markets are driven by the money. Show them the money and they'll come draggin their tongues behind them.
My point is when it comes to TV, it takes legistion to get consumers to change. iTV or whatever isn't gonna replace broadcast TV especially when they can charge how many millions for 30 seconds of commercial time for the superbowl and American Idol.
Movie sales don't fall under that, but change is difficult there too. They are still VHS machines and VHS movies. I don't believe they will replace DVD's anytime soon either. Change is just very difficult especially when what we have now works so well, at least for me.
Also, it not a switch to HD but a switch to digital and it's not just 3 stations. The switch to ATSC (digital) gives me 5 PBS channels (sub-channel really).
My point is when it comes to TV, it takes legistion to get consumers to change. iTV or whatever isn't gonna replace broadcast TV especially when they can charge how many millions for 30 seconds of commercial time for the superbowl and American Idol.
Movie sales don't fall under that, but change is difficult there too. They are still VHS machines and VHS movies. I don't believe they will replace DVD's anytime soon either. Change is just very difficult especially when what we have now works so well, at least for me.
Also, it not a switch to HD but a switch to digital and it's not just 3 stations. The switch to ATSC (digital) gives me 5 PBS channels (sub-channel really).
Yeah, and as mentioned in another above post, Congress is legislating just that. So Bye-bye SD, huh?
I beg to differ on the superbowl thing. It WILL come. I didn't say tomorrow, but today, you can already buy the NFL season for your favorite team streamed to you on ITS. You don't think they'll get around to streaming the Superbowl, too? American idol is on ITS, too, didn't ya know?
As I said, change may not be overnight, but it WILL come. It'll come because the vast majority of Americans with the money that the entertainment industry sells to is willing to buy something new, when it makes their lives and entertainment more comfortable, and they percieve a value in it.
Call it what you will, but it signals a change in American life that will (and is) turning the entertainment industry on its head.
Yeah, and as mentioned in another above post, Congress is legislating just that. So Bye-bye SD, huh?
Broadcasters have to go from analog (NTSC) to digital (ATSC). DTV support SD along with HD, so HD still will be around. This is a very common misconception. Currently in SF, ABC broadcast one HD sub-channel and 2 SD sub-channels. PBS broadcast one HD sub-channel and 4 SD sub-channels.