Microsoft first to bat with direct-to-television movie downloads

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  • Reply 61 of 124
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
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    Originally Posted by Feynman


    Not to mention how many people will start playing it by mistake?



    I guess people that play movies by mistake should get itv.
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  • Reply 62 of 124
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
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    Originally Posted by Abster2core


    Equally important, is the fact that renting music has been a failure. Seems obvious. We would rather own it, by hook or by crook. So why would video be any different.



    I am very happy with Netflix.
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  • Reply 63 of 124
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
    Let me clear a few things up.





    1. Obviously what Microsoft is doing here is most advantageous for those who already own or intend on purchasing an xBox 360. That demographic does not cap at age 25, however.



    2. You do not need to have an xBox live paid subscription to rent films or access free content on the xBox Marketplace. The silver membership is free. The gold membership is paid and allows you to play online in addition to downloading content.



    3. With a great Mac application called Connect360, you can share your unprotected media files with your xBox 360, so you've already got a bridge from the computer to the tv. Also, right out of the box you can connect your iPod to your xBox 360 and play your music that way.



    4. Every game for the 360 is High Definition and has surround sound, so it's likely the savvy 360 owners already have it connected to an HDTV. If you've got a $400 xBox 360 connected to a $200 27" standard definition 4:3 television, you've seriously got to reorganize your buying priorities.



    5. Renting High Definition films is not something any other service mentioned offers, unless you're one of those crazies who spent $500 on an HD DVD Player or $1,000 for a Blu-Ray player. xBox 360 owners will be the only people able to rent HD films without purchasing a special player, potentially even films that aren't available on disc.





    I don't anticipate non xBox 360 owners to suddenly run out and buy one instead of an iTV, but if you were honestly planning to purchase an iTV for $300 next year, you may want to reconsider your options.
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  • Reply 64 of 124
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer


    Let me clear a few things up.





    1. Obviously what Microsoft is doing here is most advantageous for those who already own or intend on purchasing an xBox 360. That demographic does not cap at age 25, however.



    2. You do not need to have an xBox live paid subscription to rent films or access free content on the xBox Marketplace. The silver membership is free. The gold membership is paid and allows you to play online in addition to downloading content.



    3. With a great Mac application called Connect360, you can share your unprotected media files with your xBox 360, so you've already got a bridge from the computer to the tv. Also, right out of the box you can connect your iPod to your xBox 360 and play your music that way.



    4. Every game for the 360 is High Definition and has surround sound, so it's likely the savvy 360 owners already have it connected to an HDTV. If you've got a $400 xBox 360 connected to a $200 27" standard definition 4:3 television, you've seriously got to reorganize your buying priorities.



    5. Renting High Definition films is not something any other service mentioned offers, unless you're one of those crazies who spent $500 on an HD DVD Player or $1,000 for a Blu-Ray player. xBox 360 owners will be the only people able to rent HD films without purchasing a special player, potentially even films that aren't available on disc.





    I don't anticipate non xBox 360 owners to suddenly run out and buy one instead of an iTV, but if you were honestly planning to purchase an iTV for $300 next year, you may want to reconsider your options.



    If you ask me that all sounds rather complicated.



    iTV. One soultion for all auidences of all televisions.



    iTV. One interface for all auidences of all televisions.



    End of story.
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  • Reply 65 of 124
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman


    If you ask me that all sounds rather complicated.



    iTV. One soultion for all users of all televisions.



    iTV. One interface for all users of all televisions.



    End of story.



    What's the complicated part? If you already own an HDTV and an xBox 360, and you want to watch HD movies on your tv, then the iTV has nothing to offer. iTunes offers no content for HDTV owners. The xBox solution and interface is the same regardless of what television you use.
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  • Reply 66 of 124
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer


    What's the complicated part? If you already own an HDTV and an xBox 360, and you want to watch HD movies on your tv, then the iTV has nothing to offer. iTunes offers no content for HDTV owners. The xBox solution and interface is the same regardless of what television you use.



    First of all the iTV is not even out so we still do not know if HDTV will be available or not. How difficult do you really think it will be for Apple to add support to iTunes and the iTV for HDTV? Something tells me not very difficult being that they were the first to come out with movie trailers in HD. Remember Apple has not finished giving us the complete spec for iTV. I think when the iTV is officially announced they will first discuss the addition of a few more movie distributors and that all video is now reformatted to HDTV and then they will start the discussion of iTV.



    Second, as I continue to point out the iTV does much more than just tv and movies. And did I mention it's one interface for everything? For your photos, your personal made movies, your music and tv/movies. Microsoft has never made a seamless easy to use product and I do not think the xBox will be the first.
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  • Reply 67 of 124
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman


    First of all the iTV is not even out so we still do not know if HDTV will be available or not. How difficult do you really think it will be for Apple to add support to iTunes and the iTV for HDTV? Something tells me not very difficult being that they were the first to come out with movie trailers in HD. Remember Apple has not finished giving us the complete spec for iTV. I think when the iTV is officially announced they will first discuss the addition of a few more movie distributors and that all video is now reformatted to HDTV and then they will start the discussion of iTV.



    I have no doubt Apple will add additional studios to iTunes, and eventually HD content, but the nature of iTV presents some questions. The general consensus is that iTV will rely on 802.11n to stream HD content. Will I have to own a computer that has 802.11n in order to stream my HD movies to my tv? And thusly will i also need to purchase an 802.11n router? The xBox 360 is already connected to my HDTV, and since the rented HD films will be stored there, a new era of wireless networking will not be necessary.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman


    Second, as I continue to point out the iTV does much more than just tv and movies. And did I mention it's one interface for everything? For your photos, your personal made movies, your music and tv/movies. Microsoft has never made a seamless easy to use product and I do not think the xBox will be the first.



    The xBox 360 allows you to access your music and photos from your Mac with the same interface you use to do everything else on the 360. I believe PC users are allowed to stream everything to their 360. The 360's Dashboard interface is pretty much accepted as the most usable thing Microsoft's ever made. Besides, Front Row isn't that great; I can't tell you how frustrated I get trying to figure out which Daily show I last viewed when it's just a continuous list of "The Daily Show with jon stew...".
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  • Reply 68 of 124
    will itv stream content off windows computers or just mac os x computers? if it's just mac os x then it's just like when the ipod was released. somewhat limited potential number of users.
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  • Reply 69 of 124
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer


    I have no doubt Apple will add additional studios to iTunes, and eventually HD content, but the nature of iTV presents some questions. The general consensus is that iTV will rely on 802.11n to stream HD content. Will I have to own a computer that has 802.11n in order to stream my HD movies to my tv? And thusly will i also need to purchase an 802.11n router? The xBox 360 is already connected to my HDTV, and since the rented HD films will be stored there, a new era of wireless networking will not be necessary.



    Uhm I'm confused by your response here. All new Mac's (except the mini) have 802.11n. iTV will have 802.11n and connected to your television. Why would you need a 802.11n router? There will not be a hassle in this new era of wireless networking as it will be seamless.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer


    The xBox 360 allows you to access your music and photos from your Mac with the same interface you use to do everything else on the 360. I believe PC users are allowed to stream everything to their 360. The 360's Dashboard interface is pretty much accepted as the most usable thing Microsoft's ever made. Besides, Front Row isn't that great; I can't tell you how frustrated I get trying to figure out which Daily show I last viewed when it's just a continuous list of "The Daily Show with jon stew...".



    I would like to see this being demo'd. I just cannot fathom that Microsoft will have a Front Row approach to everything when there are two different platforms for the host; xBox for tv and movies and your PC or Mac for your music, home made videos, photos, etc.



    Again, with iTV it is one interface for everything. What that means is you do not even have to be near your computer to access your content. So from what it sounds like with Microsoft is that your computer with the 'dashboard' will have to be in the same room as your television and use the 'dashboard' as a remote control. With iTV all I have to do is go into my living room where my tv is and flip a switch and I will be able to access Front Row 2.0 which will no doubt be easier, faster and smoother and it will access my computer for me in my room or office.
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  • Reply 70 of 124
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman


    Uhm I'm confused by your response here. All new Mac's (except the mini) have 802.11n. iTV will have 802.11n and connected to your television. Why would you need a 802.11n router? There will not be a hassle in this new era of wireless networking as it will be seamless.



    I would like to see this being demo'd. I just cannot fathom that Microsoft will have a Front Row approach to everything when there are two different platforms for the host; xBox for tv and movies and your PC or Mac for your music, home made videos, photos, etc.



    Again, with iTV it is one interface for everything. What that means is you do not even have to be near your computer to access your content. So from what it sounds like with Microsoft is that your computer with the 'dashboard' will have to be in the same room as your television and use the 'dashboard' as a remote control. With iTV all I have to do is go into my living room where my tv is and flip a switch and I will be able to access Front Row 2.0 which will no doubt be easier, faster and smoother and it will access my computer for me in my room or office.



    It seems that you have never used the 360's media function. As long as you have a computer that is running Windows Media Center (which isn't even a requirement anymore) and just do the one time setup process you can access all of your media from any room in your house with your 360. The "dashboard" refers to the operating system of the 360.



    The fact that you may not want to believe is that MS did a great job on the 360 and it will sure as hell give Sony a run for it's money. Unless Apple offers support for the more questionable formats such as divx and xvid that are mostly used for illegal downloads, there will be no reason to buy an iTV for people that own a 360. That really is the only issue that I have with the 360 is that it's missing some codecs, however you can still get around that by transcoding.
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  • Reply 71 of 124
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
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    Originally Posted by Feynman


    Not to mention how many people will start playing it by mistake?



    I don't understand what the big deal with the 2 weeks to begin, 24hrs to finish concept is... It's a RENTAL. Just simply do not rent until you plan to watch it. It's pretty simple, video/Dvd stores have been renting movies for a 24 hour period for years.
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  • Reply 72 of 124
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
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    Originally Posted by pt123


    I am very happy with Netflix.



    Really? I personally think Netflix sucks.. I mean, it beats driving to the video store, but it takes forever to get new releases and I don' like the idea of not knowing which movie in my que is coming... And then there's the monthly fee.....



    I'd much rather pay a few bucks to rent a new releases via a Front Row like interface and begin watching immediately. What I want, when I want.
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  • Reply 73 of 124
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
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    Originally Posted by scavanger


    It seems that you have never used the 360's media function. As long as you have a computer that is running Windows Media Center (which isn't even a requirement anymore) and just do the one time setup process you can access all of your media from any room in your house with your 360. The "dashboard" refers to the operating system of the 360.



    The fact that you may not want to believe is that MS did a great job on the 360 and it will sure as hell give Sony a run for it's money. Unless Apple offers support for the more questionable formats such as divx and xvid that are mostly used for illegal downloads, there will be no reason to buy an iTV for people that own a 360. That really is the only issue that I have with the 360 is that it's missing some codecs, however you can still get around that by transcoding.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Microsoft


    Listen to music and view photos, live and recorded TV, and on-demand movies by connecting to a Windows Media Center?based PC.



    I'm sorry but where is there mention of Mac Os 10.4?



    Looking at the Dashboard page, it looks far to complicated for the average user who just wants to access their media content on their Mac.



    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy.../dashboard.htm



    This does not look like something that appeals to a user base of all ages, to me it looks like it appeals to the video game market.
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  • Reply 74 of 124
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solsun


    Really? I personally think Netflix sucks.. I mean, it beats driving to the video store, but it takes forever to get new releases and I don' like the idea of not knowing which movie in my que is coming... And then there's the monthly fee.....



    I'd much rather pay a few bucks to rent a new releases via a Front Row like interface and begin watching immediately. What I want, when I want.



    I don't know why you have problems but I get the new releases pretty quickly (I just got done with Cars). If it's a movie I want to watch, it's in my queue, usually top 10, and it comes in that order. Works great. I think I used front row once when friends came over and we all got a laugh, not sure where the remote is now.
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  • Reply 75 of 124
    Alright so it doesn't support Mac OSX natively. You can still get other programs that will allow it to function with a Mac OSX computer. While I would agree that is a problem to some point, it's pretty clear the microsoft isn't targeting the OSX market with these added features, and frankly why should they not push their own product intergration. Besides the majority of people that will purchese the iTV will not be Mac users anyway if it stands to be the same success as the iPod.



    If the Dashboard is too complicated for you, how is it possible for you to use your Mac? Seriously come on..... OSX is more complicated then the dashboard lets be realistic here, the dashboard is pretty damn simple. Most applications are more complicated then the dashboard. Is it as simple as Frontrow? No. Does it need to be as simple as Frontrow? No.



    The fact is Microsoft has added alot more value to the 360 with all the extra features. The 360 is possibily the best product MS has made yet. Everyone needs to realize that the Console gaming market is moving to the all-in-one media device market, atleast both MS and Sony are doing this, Nintendo prefers to stick just with games.



    As to iTV I won't speculate to what it will actually be able to do when it finally comes out, but in it's current state based on what we've seen from the demo in September at a price point that it has now it might not be the best buy that you can get for just displaying media on your TV when you could just plug your Mac into your TV for that.
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  • Reply 76 of 124
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pt123


    I don't know why you have problems but I get the new releases pretty quickly (I just got done with Cars). If it's a movie I want to watch, it's in my queue, usually top 10, and it comes in that order. Works great. I think I used front row once when friends came over and we all got a laugh, not sure where the remote is now.



    Hmmm. I don't know... Maybe you live in a less populated city? Living in Orange County, Ca. it seems like all I ever get are the older selections in my queue, new releases are always last to arrive.



    I personally don't use Front Row much now either... I'm saying if it was streamed to my tv and I could use it to select and rent any movie I wanted for a couple of bucks, I'd drop Netflix in a heartbeat. The concept of iTv will only be useful to me IF Apple begins movie rentals.. I have no desire to purchase movies that i will only watch once.
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  • Reply 77 of 124
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
    Just curious as to how many hours it would take to download a HD movie with todays internet connections?
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  • Reply 78 of 124
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Originally Posted by Abster2core


    Most families that just have one Xbox per household, if any. Most Xbox's are hooked up to the kid's TV. Not the giant screen or the 42" plasma in the family room. For mom or dad to have to ask young Johnny for his Xbox to watch a movie will undoubtedly create delay, conflict or consternation hooking, unhooking and rehooking.



    Finally someone put into words why for some reason I though the Xbox 360 idea was bad. I just felt it was, but couldn't think why, now I know.
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  • Reply 79 of 124
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer


    With a great Mac application called Connect360, you can share your unprotected media files with your xBox 360, so you've already got a bridge from the computer to the tv. Also, right out of the box you can connect your iPod to your xBox 360 and play your music that way.



    I wonder what the experience is like trying to stream a HD trailer, HD movie or HD clip with that set up?

    Yeah but you can't play your video from your iPod like that.
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  • Reply 80 of 124
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland


    Finally someone put into words why for some reason I though the Xbox 360 idea was bad. I just felt it was, but couldn't think why, now I know.



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