Tabs are obsoleted by the fact that it's difficult to find screens smaller than 19" now...
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
I hate to break it to you, but while unfortunately Apple still shipped 1024x768-resolution laptops until this May, they're unlikely to care about that kind of setup much any more. Future UI developments will be towards widescreen.
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
Why not just use a combination of Spaces and Exposé?
And most important, you cannot drag and drop files onto the breadcrumb navigation the way it is implemented now. That would be awesome and Path Finder already does this.
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I think a bread-crumb in this usage specifically shows the trail all the time. I think command-clicking the proxy icon in the window title bar qualifies as a "list view" of the path but serves the same purpose, but inadequately.
The hierarchical organization we see today is a filesystem relic that simply shouldn't be necessary anymore but that is being kept alive for legacy support purposes. Why have two different metadata handling? One is static and hardcoded into the filesystem, the other is a dynamic and flexible piece of software.
The future is probably like System 1's MFS. The flat file idea would remove the unneeded hierarchic bullshit. Folders would still exist...but virtually somewhat like iTunes playlists or iPhoto albums. Otherwise, all files would sit at the virtual root and would be accessible through Spotlight queries.
So, maybe Apple could add a bread crumb for Spotlight but I think it's a waste of time when the idea is to kill hierarchical filesystems.
I'm not convinced of the need to completely switch. Maybe it will be that way in a several years if Spotlight becomes reasonably useful. Not only will I not eliminate a useful path to find, associate and organize files, at the moment, I can't rely on Spotlight to find what I want within a reasonable amount of time. Spotlight is often only a fallback because I usually know where to find a file, and too often, I've found circumstances where Spotlight won't even find a file. I have to use it from within Finder to be able to properly add restrictions, entering terms within the magnifying glass icon in the menu bar is simply too crude. At any rate, the tools to organize and find files needs significant improvement to justify even the slightest consideration of moving away from a hierachical system. The iTunes system of managing media works fairly well, but that's because it doesn't try to do everything, it only deals with certain types of files, and often has a massive amount of metadata accessible to it without much need for the user to enter it. I think iPhoto's method is kind of tedious and needs a lot of work, in part because the metadata isn't nearly so easy to enter.
I really don't see a problem with the apparent redundancies in metadata handling. If I can liken it to a tool, tool redundancy is good, if one fails to fit the situation, I try a different one. Many times, make these considerations on what to use from minute to minute. I often have to do this in the world of software tools and in the world of mechanical tools, I can and have made custom tools of both types when the situation needed it. Taking away an entire class of tools just because it's old is naivé in my opinion, one person's useless may be the only thing that's useful to another.
I'd rather keep the hierarchal filing system currently in use. IMHO, people are hardwired mentally to use routes. We take routes to go to work, we have routes we memorize through complex buildings, we have routes we prefer to take through a grocery store. Routes are something everyone has, and that seems to extend well to the HFS. If I'm working on a file and save that file in Documents/Work/Plans/New Construction/Samples/ (please don't flame me if I used incorrect syntax there), I'm going to use that route to find that file the next time I need it because that's the route I took when I placed it there. I think Apple was kind enough to allow us to place jumps to frequently used folders in the left hand column of Finder and that helps a lot, but I'll be honest and admit, I haven't used Spotlight much at all. When I'm looking for something, I know where I put it, and I simply navigate there, just like I navigate to a store coming home from work. I'll happily keep the HFS.
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A better title would have been "A great example of a cluttered, obtrusive interface".
A better title would have been "A great example of a cluttered, obtrusive interface".
true, but powerful
Tabs are obsoleted by the fact that it's difficult to find screens smaller than 19" now...
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
I hate to break it to you, but while unfortunately Apple still shipped 1024x768-resolution laptops until this May, they're unlikely to care about that kind of setup much any more. Future UI developments will be towards widescreen.
I have a 12" screen. A lot of other PowerBook and iBook users do, too. Believe me, if you are on 1024x768 resolution, you LIKE TABS. I'd LOVE tabs in Mail and Finder. As an OPTION. Why not?
Why not just use a combination of Spaces and Exposé?
A better title would have been "A great example of a cluttered, obtrusive interface".
Also just for the record all of those options are....just options, that can be toggled on and off by the user per his or her wishes....
But yes cluttered
I think a bread-crumb in this usage specifically shows the trail all the time. I think command-clicking the proxy icon in the window title bar qualifies as a "list view" of the path but serves the same purpose, but inadequately.
And if you do, you should all reconsider doing such a thing. For one, it's a gross waste of time and a very ineffecient way of doing things.
Every week I'll be giving out a new tip:
Tip #1: save your files in the correct folder so that you don't need to move them later
Tune in next week.
In a way, yes, but in another way, no.
The hierarchical organization we see today is a filesystem relic that simply shouldn't be necessary anymore but that is being kept alive for legacy support purposes. Why have two different metadata handling? One is static and hardcoded into the filesystem, the other is a dynamic and flexible piece of software.
The future is probably like System 1's MFS. The flat file idea would remove the unneeded hierarchic bullshit. Folders would still exist...but virtually somewhat like iTunes playlists or iPhoto albums. Otherwise, all files would sit at the virtual root and would be accessible through Spotlight queries.
So, maybe Apple could add a bread crumb for Spotlight but I think it's a waste of time when the idea is to kill hierarchical filesystems.
I'm not convinced of the need to completely switch. Maybe it will be that way in a several years if Spotlight becomes reasonably useful. Not only will I not eliminate a useful path to find, associate and organize files, at the moment, I can't rely on Spotlight to find what I want within a reasonable amount of time. Spotlight is often only a fallback because I usually know where to find a file, and too often, I've found circumstances where Spotlight won't even find a file. I have to use it from within Finder to be able to properly add restrictions, entering terms within the magnifying glass icon in the menu bar is simply too crude. At any rate, the tools to organize and find files needs significant improvement to justify even the slightest consideration of moving away from a hierachical system. The iTunes system of managing media works fairly well, but that's because it doesn't try to do everything, it only deals with certain types of files, and often has a massive amount of metadata accessible to it without much need for the user to enter it. I think iPhoto's method is kind of tedious and needs a lot of work, in part because the metadata isn't nearly so easy to enter.
I really don't see a problem with the apparent redundancies in metadata handling. If I can liken it to a tool, tool redundancy is good, if one fails to fit the situation, I try a different one. Many times, make these considerations on what to use from minute to minute. I often have to do this in the world of software tools and in the world of mechanical tools, I can and have made custom tools of both types when the situation needed it. Taking away an entire class of tools just because it's old is naivé in my opinion, one person's useless may be the only thing that's useful to another.