Umm...It sounds like you didn't study very much either. The day I look to AI folks for religious instruction is the day I look to the Enron executives to tell me how to write energy legislation. They may be great at it, but it ain't their job, and so their aren't accountable.
Here's an okay first step for those who want to learn more, but spirituality tends to lose its most important dimensions when adapted to webpages: http://www.native-languages.org/religion.htm
In case you didn't get it - "mish mosh" is a pretty dumb thing to say.
Why are you out to flame me dude? I wasn't looking to AI for religious instruction. I got that already at my university.
And I see no problem with describing Native American religions as a mish mosh, because that's exactly what they were. Different tribes believed different things, hence, a mish-mosh.
Cripes I'm wasting time and I don't want to add to the global reduction of electrons, but it is fun....
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Originally Posted by tonton
Regarding originally posting by gregmightdothat:
"It's a Euro-centric term. It pretty much means "the East," implying that Europe is hierarchically better than Asia, and that Asia is merely "that place to the East."
That's so stupid.
It implies no such thing.
Actually it may IMPLY that, though the YOU did not INFERRED it.
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Originally Posted by tonton
Using that logic, is a "Central European" hierarchically better than a "West European"?
How about those who live in the US' "South"?
Those examples are internally consistent within each self-defined area. So you are not using logic in creating a heirarchy among them unless you yourself do so via implication or inference.
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Originally Posted by tonton
"The Pacific Northwest."
"Watch your tongue! A lot of people are offended by archaic terms like that!"
As a native Northwesterner, my only problem is with the term "West Coast." It almost always implies or infers California - see Beach Boys music - and lumps vastly different areas together .... and why is San Fran called Northern Cal. when it is barely halfway up the coast of the state?!?!
[QUOTE=tonton]Not to mention that any Chinese couldn't possibly be offended by cultural centrism. What's the freaking Chinese name for China?[QUOTE=tonton]
Do we have to Google everything for you?
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Originally Posted by tonton
Oh, and Australians should be downright PISSED. Their entire countrinent is named after their geographical location.
Where do you get that from? I've never seen a black guy take offense at being called black!
I've read it in some articles tho' never heard it said personally. You can google and find references too...typically its said when folks say they prefer the term "african-american" over "black".
It's somewhat silly (about the same as the oriental thing) but I'm willing to call anyone what they want to be called. Mostly its old people that use oriental and they don't typically mean it pejoratively. Nor are they lying in court...
What a load of BS. So I have to be offended when I travel in China and the locals refer to me as a 'long nose' and not a name of my own choosing, i.e.English? If that's how the Chinese choose to refer to me then that's just fine.
Then you are a mighty giant of self confidence compared to all of those poor fools who take offense to some terms .... or it could be that "long nose" is not a widespread term used in movies and the internet ... or you have not been prejudiced to the point that you understand what derogatory language can do to a person ... and I don't think "Oriental" is mean at all ... you ignored the persons main point, that it is a sign of respect in this day and age to use the term "Asian" ... "Oriental" not so much. You are not mean by using one word, but you are just not showing respect ... like those that called you "long nose."
Call me cracker for all I care. I'm "caucasian" and while I know it's supposed to be derogatory, it really doesn't bother me.
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Neither has happened in this country in over a century that I remember, so I really don't see your point. If your point is that people hold grudges for excessive lengths of time to and by people that are long-dead, then I grant that. Hell, taking offense isn't logical either.
Neither has happened in this country in over a century that I remember, so I really don't see your point. If your point is that people hold grudges for excessive lengths of time to and by people that are long-dead, then I grant that. Hell, taking offense isn't logical either.
I realized right off the bat that you didn't see my point.
And none of this is flaming. It is about caring and respecting. The only reason I keep this up is that it has become so pc to be anti-pc now. Of course no one should hold grudges for excessive lengths of time, but people do for a reason. Do you know the reason? Answer this question first: If 80% of the US population is white and roughly 80% of those taking illegal drugs are white, why are 80% of those convicted of drug crimes in prison black? When you answer this question, you can begin to understand that power and discrimination are not just something that happened in the 1950's.
I am not being overly sensitive in saying this. I'm not being pc in saying this. Treating people with respect is not being anti-white. To say that the problem was invented by white liberals at Berkeley, is to see the mote in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own.
Why are you out to flame me dude? I wasn't looking to AI for religious instruction. I got that already at my university.
And I see no problem with describing Native American religions as a mish mosh, because that's exactly what they were. Different tribes believed different things, hence, a mish-mosh.
Well I wasn't faming you, I was pointing out the oversimplification of calling something "Native American Tribal Religions" and "mish-mosh/mash" that really doesn't mean anything. And actually many different tribes believed very similar things and in no way were they a mish mash.
And then I offered a website to further the discussion for those who cared. Sorry you thought I was flaming you.
Historically, "Westerner" has never been used pejoratively.
Not in local slang though. Depends. In some Asian Countries they are referred to as "orang putih" (white people) which can be used perjoratively. They could be referred to as "Ang Moh" (white ghost) which can be used perjoratively. In Singapore/Malaysia some Chinese-ethnicity people call Eurasians (Half Caucasian-Half Asian) "chap cheng" which AFAIK means something like "mixed sperm"... Funnily enough in Singapore sometimes at high school Chinese-ethnic kids used to call the Indian-ethnic kids "niggers", including myself, who is Half-Chinese-ethnic/ Half-Indian-ethnic. I am sometimes referred to as "Chindian" which I take as a nice way of putting things though. Being called a "nigger" sometimes is not fun when in high school, especially when it is obviously soo totally out of context and just plain stupid. Although it can be cool trying to be all hip-hop-cool when my friends (white, hispanic, whatever) and I in University in Australia called each other sometimes "My Nigga".....
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Can we please stop making comparisons to blacks? As if any group could claim comparison without being ridiculously insulting. The only asian group who ever had to put up with anything remotely comparable to what blacks were put through were the Japanese-Americans, and that was for four years, not 400.
"Shanghai-ed to build railroads"? Please. There's a huge difference between people brought here against their will as slaves, and people who came deliberately of their own volition to find work, and got (shitty) work. The Chinese are hardly unique in having come to the U.S. and been subjected to discrimination in the workplace. The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese all came at different times and under different circumstances. The Irish and Italians had to put up with their share of shit. Hell, if you go back far enough, even English and Dutch once came here as indentured servants (I wonder, when did the statute of limitations on their "victimhood" end)?
In any case, I've yet to see anything in history that would cause one to see "oriental" in the same light as "nigger" or even "colored". I can think of plenty indelicate terms and outright slurs used for East Asians in this country, but "oriental" isn't even on the radar.
In any case, I've yet to see anything in history that would cause one to see "oriental" in the same light as "nigger" or even "colored". I can think of plenty indelicate terms and outright slurs used for East Asians in this country, but "oriental" isn't even on the radar.
Many Asian Americans were discriminated against in the US. Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Besides this, there are many other countries were previously, Asians were that countries "Black".
Actually, most people don't know this, but when the Irish came to the US a long time ago, they were thought of (literally) as Black, even though they had very fair completion. They overcame this by discriminating against other groups of people, hence the typical "angry Irish".
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You're thinking of "perjury." Pejorative is an entirely different term.
Really!?!
Umm...It sounds like you didn't study very much either. The day I look to AI folks for religious instruction is the day I look to the Enron executives to tell me how to write energy legislation. They may be great at it, but it ain't their job, and so their aren't accountable.
Here's an okay first step for those who want to learn more, but spirituality tends to lose its most important dimensions when adapted to webpages: http://www.native-languages.org/religion.htm
In case you didn't get it - "mish mosh" is a pretty dumb thing to say.
Why are you out to flame me dude? I wasn't looking to AI for religious instruction. I got that already at my university.
And I see no problem with describing Native American religions as a mish mosh, because that's exactly what they were. Different tribes believed different things, hence, a mish-mosh.
In case you didn't get it - "mish mosh" is a pretty dumb thing to say.
Yes, because everyone knows the term is "mish mash".
Can you believe he said "squirt" ???? When I think of squirt, i think of diarrhea.
This site says it best: http://www.microsoftshitbrick.com
Yes, because everyone knows the term is "mish mash".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mishmosh
Okay... POST THE BEST CAPTION FOR THIS REDICULOUS PICTURE!!!
"OMFG! I'm about to squirt the biggest zune....Where the hell's the toilet!"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mishmosh
Yeah, the entry for mish mosh, gives the definition for mish mash. But then says 'Also...mish mosh.' Whatever, just pulling your chain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mishmash
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mish_mash
Regarding originally posting by gregmightdothat:
"It's a Euro-centric term. It pretty much means "the East," implying that Europe is hierarchically better than Asia, and that Asia is merely "that place to the East."
That's so stupid.
It implies no such thing.
Actually it may IMPLY that, though the YOU did not INFERRED it.
Using that logic, is a "Central European" hierarchically better than a "West European"?
How about those who live in the US' "South"?
Those examples are internally consistent within each self-defined area. So you are not using logic in creating a heirarchy among them unless you yourself do so via implication or inference.
"The Pacific Northwest."
"Watch your tongue! A lot of people are offended by archaic terms like that!"
As a native Northwesterner, my only problem is with the term "West Coast." It almost always implies or infers California - see Beach Boys music - and lumps vastly different areas together .... and why is San Fran called Northern Cal. when it is barely halfway up the coast of the state?!?!
[QUOTE=tonton]Not to mention that any Chinese couldn't possibly be offended by cultural centrism. What's the freaking Chinese name for China?[QUOTE=tonton]
Do we have to Google everything for you?
Oh, and Australians should be downright PISSED. Their entire countrinent is named after their geographical location.
And where is Old Zealand anyway?!
Yeah, the entry for mish mosh, gives the definition for mish mash. But then says 'Also...mish mosh.' Whatever, just pulling your chain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mishmash
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mish_mash
Yah, actually I had never heard it said Mish Mash before
Is he not tu-uurtley enough for the tuu-rtle club?
Where do you get that from? I've never seen a black guy take offense at being called black!
I've read it in some articles tho' never heard it said personally. You can google and find references too...typically its said when folks say they prefer the term "african-american" over "black".
It's somewhat silly (about the same as the oriental thing) but I'm willing to call anyone what they want to be called. Mostly its old people that use oriental and they don't typically mean it pejoratively. Nor are they lying in court...
Vinea
Caption this...
I must not think bad thoughts...
Does she tell her dates that she squirts?
What a load of BS. So I have to be offended when I travel in China and the locals refer to me as a 'long nose' and not a name of my own choosing, i.e.English? If that's how the Chinese choose to refer to me then that's just fine.
Then you are a mighty giant of self confidence compared to all of those poor fools who take offense to some terms .... or it could be that "long nose" is not a widespread term used in movies and the internet ... or you have not been prejudiced to the point that you understand what derogatory language can do to a person ... and I don't think "Oriental" is mean at all ... you ignored the persons main point, that it is a sign of respect in this day and age to use the term "Asian" ... "Oriental" not so much. You are not mean by using one word, but you are just not showing respect ... like those that called you "long nose."
Call me cracker for all I care. I'm "caucasian" and while I know it's supposed to be derogatory, it really doesn't bother me.
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Neither has happened in this country in over a century that I remember, so I really don't see your point. If your point is that people hold grudges for excessive lengths of time to and by people that are long-dead, then I grant that. Hell, taking offense isn't logical either.
Neither has happened in this country in over a century that I remember, so I really don't see your point. If your point is that people hold grudges for excessive lengths of time to and by people that are long-dead, then I grant that. Hell, taking offense isn't logical either.
I realized right off the bat that you didn't see my point.
And none of this is flaming. It is about caring and respecting. The only reason I keep this up is that it has become so pc to be anti-pc now. Of course no one should hold grudges for excessive lengths of time, but people do for a reason. Do you know the reason? Answer this question first: If 80% of the US population is white and roughly 80% of those taking illegal drugs are white, why are 80% of those convicted of drug crimes in prison black? When you answer this question, you can begin to understand that power and discrimination are not just something that happened in the 1950's.
I am not being overly sensitive in saying this. I'm not being pc in saying this. Treating people with respect is not being anti-white. To say that the problem was invented by white liberals at Berkeley, is to see the mote in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own.
Why are you out to flame me dude? I wasn't looking to AI for religious instruction. I got that already at my university.
And I see no problem with describing Native American religions as a mish mosh, because that's exactly what they were. Different tribes believed different things, hence, a mish-mosh.
Well I wasn't faming you, I was pointing out the oversimplification of calling something "Native American Tribal Religions" and "mish-mosh/mash" that really doesn't mean anything. And actually many different tribes believed very similar things and in no way were they a mish mash.
And then I offered a website to further the discussion for those who cared. Sorry you thought I was flaming you.
Historically, "Westerner" has never been used pejoratively.
Not in local slang though. Depends. In some Asian Countries they are referred to as "orang putih" (white people) which can be used perjoratively. They could be referred to as "Ang Moh" (white ghost) which can be used perjoratively. In Singapore/Malaysia some Chinese-ethnicity people call Eurasians (Half Caucasian-Half Asian) "chap cheng" which AFAIK means something like "mixed sperm"... Funnily enough in Singapore sometimes at high school Chinese-ethnic kids used to call the Indian-ethnic kids "niggers", including myself, who is Half-Chinese-ethnic/ Half-Indian-ethnic. I am sometimes referred to as "Chindian" which I take as a nice way of putting things though. Being called a "nigger" sometimes is not fun when in high school, especially when it is obviously soo totally out of context and just plain stupid. Although it can be cool trying to be all hip-hop-cool when my friends (white, hispanic, whatever) and I in University in Australia called each other sometimes "My Nigga".....
THIS WORLD IS FREAKIN' CONFUSING MAN!!!!!
Because your family were never slaves in this country or shanghai-ed to build railroads ... just a guess. Both "cracker" and "colored" may arise from derogatory intent, but one still is in power and the other still is oppressed to some extent if mostly historically. There is no symmetry to your arguemnt, thus your example is not logical or accurate.
Can we please stop making comparisons to blacks? As if any group could claim comparison without being ridiculously insulting. The only asian group who ever had to put up with anything remotely comparable to what blacks were put through were the Japanese-Americans, and that was for four years, not 400.
"Shanghai-ed to build railroads"? Please. There's a huge difference between people brought here against their will as slaves, and people who came deliberately of their own volition to find work, and got (shitty) work. The Chinese are hardly unique in having come to the U.S. and been subjected to discrimination in the workplace. The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese all came at different times and under different circumstances. The Irish and Italians had to put up with their share of shit. Hell, if you go back far enough, even English and Dutch once came here as indentured servants (I wonder, when did the statute of limitations on their "victimhood" end)?
In any case, I've yet to see anything in history that would cause one to see "oriental" in the same light as "nigger" or even "colored". I can think of plenty indelicate terms and outright slurs used for East Asians in this country, but "oriental" isn't even on the radar.
In any case, I've yet to see anything in history that would cause one to see "oriental" in the same light as "nigger" or even "colored". I can think of plenty indelicate terms and outright slurs used for East Asians in this country, but "oriental" isn't even on the radar.
Many Asian Americans were discriminated against in the US. Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Besides this, there are many other countries were previously, Asians were that countries "Black".
Actually, most people don't know this, but when the Irish came to the US a long time ago, they were thought of (literally) as Black, even though they had very fair completion. They overcame this by discriminating against other groups of people, hence the typical "angry Irish".