I'm also curious what or whose figures would you trust?
To me, it's not about who or what, but it's more important for me to get the data that reflects the flow of current enthusiasts market(for the time being) and using the correct source of relevant data generated from the relevant source. In this case for HiDef, the data should be generated monitoring the HiDef format content providing retails/online stores, especially ones heavily involved.
Lack of choice does not mean it's narrowed down to a only choice, hence I?m still looking. I?ll come back to your question once I find the credible source.
If you find a summarized sales figures/data involving the major front running HiDef content providing retailers like Fry's, BestBuy, Cirucit City, Amazon, and etc.... let me know.
And...... Nielson isn't it, but you can convince me otherwise with credible market source info.....
I think you misunderstood me, or see dragons where none be
It would seem to me that it would be very beneficial to ALL of us here if there was a single TRUSTED source, trusted by all sides I thought, seeing as you are quick to throw scorn at Nielsen perhaps you had another source, one that you felt was more accurate. If you are still in search of such a source then I'm sure we will all await your post informing us
For those questioning Nielsen/VideoScan, I'd like to ask the question why is it that most of the industry cites these highly dependable numbers for sales data if they are so questionable in some of your eyes? In my opinion, the burden of proof is on you HD DVD fanboys to back up your assertions, as most information points to Amazon, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc ARE INDEED included in the Nielsen data...
Nielsen Video Scan (these numbers, while they include traditional on-line retailers such as Amazon, also include Specialty Mass Merchants including Costco, Best Buy, Circuit City. A significant portion of these sales, however, also encompass online ? ie. Costco.com, BestBuy.com, etc?)
In our empirical analysis, we study home video market in the period from 2000 to 2005. Our data come from
Nielsen VideoScan, a leading provider of information on video sales. Nielsen VideoScan tracks weekly sales
for video titles sold in the United States. Sales are split by DVD and VHS formats. They can also be broken
down by channel: ?discount mass stores? (e.g., Kmart, Shopko, and Target), ?drug stores? (e.g., CVS, Rite
Aid, and Walgreens), ?grocery stores? (e.g., Abertson?s, Pathmark, and Safeway), ?specialty retail? (e.g.,
Blockbuster, Hollywood Entertainment, and Suncoast), and ?other mass stores,? which covers both offline
(e.g., Best Buy, Circuit City, and Costco) and online stores (e.g., Amazon.com, and Borders.com).
So the list now stands at:
KMart
Shopko
Target
CVS
Rite-Aid
Walgreen's
Albertson's
Pathmark
Safeway
Blockbuster
Hollywood Entertainment
Suncoast
Pamida
Alco
Shipco
Rose's Stores
BJ's
Sears
Best Buy
Circuit City
Costco
Amazon.com
Borders.com
Hmm, AVS. Your sanctuary and most often cited source, and yet you didn't bother posting this here bitemymac or hmurchison. Regardless, please provide us ANY type of reason why we ought to put into question the numbers of Nielsen, besides the whims of HD DVD propagandists.
I am hoping for co-existence since divix is the best/most popular downloadable codec right now.
As if his ignorance of Nielsen wasn't bad enough. (Hint: If you want to look like you know anything at all about a company you're criticizing, step 1 would be to know how their name is spelled. If you can't even do that, then nobody will believe you know anything else about the company.) Now he not only can't spell DivX, he doesn't even know the difference between DIVX and DivX. So much for Mr. "I know everything" Bitemymac. (Hint #2: DaveGee is not talking about your precious codec.)
As if his ignorance of Nielsen wasn't bad enough. (Hint: If you want to look like you know anything at all about a company you're criticizing, step 1 would be to know how their name is spelled. If you can't even do that, then nobody will believe you know anything else about the company.) Now he not only can't spell DivX, he doesn't even know the difference between DIVX and DivX. So much for Mr. "I know everything" Bitemymac. (Hint #2: DaveGee is not talking about your precious codec.)
sigh..... still haven't heard anything constructive coming from this kid. I'm not going to waste my time on you. I'm sure it's joy to have you around, but you've been nothing but a troll here.
Since the appropriate data is not on the Nielsen/Videoscan page leading you to surmise who might be included and who might not be I'd say the burden of proof falls on your shoulders since you wish to promote Nieslen as the bellweather dataset for HDM sales.
Thus you will give more credence to NV numbers than I. No harm in that.
sigh..... still haven't heard anything constructive coming from this kid. I'm not going to waste my time on you. I'm sure it's joy to have you around, but you've been nothing but a troll here.
moving on....
Good idea. Unless you like posts with little content interspersed amongst an abundance of ad hominem attacks.
I don't even think the two most prolific Blu-ray posters even own players and movies yet. Truth be told I almost went neutral last week. Just missed on a BD player for $150 on craigslist. I'm about the movies yet it's clear to me that HD DVD works for my own particular needs best.
I think my opinion is particularly valuable in this regard since I am relatively ill-informed compared to many of you who know far more about this.
From where I sit, on the ill-informed sidelines, it seems like Blu-Ray is the one gaining traction. HD-DVD sounds computerish to me and niche. It sounds like another one of those formats that gets washed into a big soup of "also does." You know: "This one also does HD-DVD, HR-DVD, HD+DVD, and VD-DVD."
Blu-ray on the other hand has an increasingly consumer ring to it. It just sounds increasingly normal, like something you go out and buy, not something shoe-horned into something else. It's not just the name, although Blu-Ray is a better name. Blu-Ray's increasing saturation in the consciousness of the ill-informed is a harbinger of format victory.
Good idea. Unless you like posts with little content interspersed amongst an abundance of ad hominem attacks.
I don't even think the two most prolific Blu-ray posters even own players and movies yet. Truth be told I almost went neutral last week. Just missed on a BD player for $150 on craigslist. I'm about the movies yet it's clear to me that HD DVD works for my own particular needs best.
LOL... for $150, I wouldn't mind to get one either. I've got too much junk already, but I could have probably taken the BD-drive out of the unit and used it with my HTPC. Oh well... still waiting on the right price for the BD/Combo drive......
even using your fav Amazon rankings, 300 is out performing on Blu-Ray (I contributed there). Didn't you say that the HD-DVD version would out pace the Blu-Ray version?
Also, as bitemymac pointed out, that awesome network feature turned out to be anything but. Another feature I won't miss on my inferior Blu-Ray version.
even using your fav Amazon rankings, 300 is out performing on Blu-Ray (I contributed there). Didn't you say that the HD-DVD version would out pace the Blu-Ray version?
Also, as bitemymac pointed out, that awesome network feature turned out to be anything but. Another feature I won't miss on my inferior Blu-Ray version.
Actually those who've engaged the Interactive features of the HD DVD version of 300 really think it's cool. Those who are Blu-ray diminish its value..but what would you expect?
300 on HD DVD isn't going to outsell the Blu-ray version. The all important neutral owner is purchasing the BD version for $5 less and many don't like Combos.
I'm also shocked at the disparity of store stock. I bought mine at Fry's on launch date and the 300 HD DVD was single stacked and I grabbed the last one. The BD was stacked side by side and had much more visible stock. AVS Best Buy employees are confirming that they ordered more BD 300 and in many cases they went through the HD DVD and were not restocked.
I think Amazon tends to show more balance because many HD DVD owners are tired of the low stock of B&M stores and so many are just preordering online.
I'm happy with Fry's they've have had sales on discs for a few weeks straight and their HD DVD section in Renton WA is decent ..only partially smaller than Blu-ray.
I bought mine at the local Blockbuster, we got 2 copies on each format (small location). Both Blu-Ray copies were gone day one, both HD-DVD versions are still available.
I didn't think I had to define what divx given the nature of this thread...
You don't. At least not for the adults who are actually old enough to remember DIVX, rather than the high school students trying to masquerade as tech-savvy adults. Especially since you clearly wrote DIVX and not DivX. Anybody can see that difference, except, of course, somebody who can't tell the difference between Nielsen and Nelson. But what can you expect from today's kids who have no spelling or capitalization skills, having been raised with things like l33tspeak and "R U OK?" Have you noticed how all he ever says is "Nelson [sic] bad! Personal attack, personal attack!" but never even acknowledges Walter's challenge to come up with a better source than Nielsen? When all else fails, create a diversion and act like you didn't see the question. It's what he's always done whenever somebody gives him a legitimate question in this thread. Dodge and weave.
His bosom buddy isn't much better. Now that 300 on HD DVD hasn't outranked the Blu-ray version as he predicted a couple of pages back ("patience," he confidently said), he's suddenly shifting from his stance that the Amazon rankings matter. Now suddenly it's the bricks and mortar stores that matter.
And Cam, there's your problem right there. Don't you know that Blockbuster doesn't matter? It's a second-tier retailer. It's going under. Well, at least that's what the HD DVD fans say.
300 on HD DVD isn't going to outsell the Blu-ray version. The all important neutral owner is purchasing the BD version for $5 less and many don't like Combos.
Comments
It's more of a question as to who is loosing the least. For the moment and forseeable future SD-DVD is whomping both HD formats.
Yep....
Someone ping me when DIVX v2 is dead.....
Frankly, until that point BOTH formats are doing nothing but suffering....
Yep....
Someone ping me when DIVX v2 is dead.....
Frankly, until that point BOTH formats are doing nothing but suffering....
I am hoping for co-existence since divix is the best/most popular downloadable codec right now.
Maybe all formats can evolve symbiotically and there will be a favorable format for everyone
I'm also curious what or whose figures would you trust?
To me, it's not about who or what, but it's more important for me to get the data that reflects the flow of current enthusiasts market(for the time being) and using the correct source of relevant data generated from the relevant source. In this case for HiDef, the data should be generated monitoring the HiDef format content providing retails/online stores, especially ones heavily involved.
Lack of choice does not mean it's narrowed down to a only choice, hence I?m still looking. I?ll come back to your question once I find the credible source.
If you find a summarized sales figures/data involving the major front running HiDef content providing retailers like Fry's, BestBuy, Cirucit City, Amazon, and etc.... let me know.
And...... Nielson isn't it, but you can convince me otherwise with credible market source info.....
I think you misunderstood me, or see dragons where none be
It would seem to me that it would be very beneficial to ALL of us here if there was a single TRUSTED source, trusted by all sides
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11172745
Marché L. Boose-Welch
Manager, New Business Development & Client Service
(323) 817-1520
marche.boose-welch@nielsen.com
Nielsen Video Scan (these numbers, while they include traditional on-line retailers such as Amazon, also include Specialty Mass Merchants including Costco, Best Buy, Circuit City. A significant portion of these sales, however, also encompass online ? ie. Costco.com, BestBuy.com, etc?)
As per :
http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org..._whitepaper.pdf
Here's another one from this year:
http://www.people.hbs.edu/aelberse/.../hbs_07-015.pdf
Quote:
Data Source: Nielsen VideoScan
In our empirical analysis, we study home video market in the period from 2000 to 2005. Our data come from
Nielsen VideoScan, a leading provider of information on video sales. Nielsen VideoScan tracks weekly sales
for video titles sold in the United States. Sales are split by DVD and VHS formats. They can also be broken
down by channel: ?discount mass stores? (e.g., Kmart, Shopko, and Target), ?drug stores? (e.g., CVS, Rite
Aid, and Walgreens), ?grocery stores? (e.g., Abertson?s, Pathmark, and Safeway), ?specialty retail? (e.g.,
Blockbuster, Hollywood Entertainment, and Suncoast), and ?other mass stores,? which covers both offline
(e.g., Best Buy, Circuit City, and Costco) and online stores (e.g., Amazon.com, and Borders.com).
So the list now stands at:
KMart
Shopko
Target
CVS
Rite-Aid
Walgreen's
Albertson's
Pathmark
Safeway
Blockbuster
Hollywood Entertainment
Suncoast
Pamida
Alco
Shipco
Rose's Stores
BJ's
Sears
Best Buy
Circuit City
Costco
Amazon.com
Borders.com
Hmm, AVS. Your sanctuary and most often cited source, and yet you didn't bother posting this here bitemymac or hmurchison. Regardless, please provide us ANY type of reason why we ought to put into question the numbers of Nielsen, besides the whims of HD DVD propagandists.
I am hoping for co-existence since divix is the best/most popular downloadable codec right now.
As if his ignorance of Nielsen wasn't bad enough. (Hint: If you want to look like you know anything at all about a company you're criticizing, step 1 would be to know how their name is spelled. If you can't even do that, then nobody will believe you know anything else about the company.) Now he not only can't spell DivX, he doesn't even know the difference between DIVX and DivX. So much for Mr. "I know everything" Bitemymac. (Hint #2: DaveGee is not talking about your precious codec.)
As if his ignorance of Nielsen wasn't bad enough. (Hint: If you want to look like you know anything at all about a company you're criticizing, step 1 would be to know how their name is spelled. If you can't even do that, then nobody will believe you know anything else about the company.) Now he not only can't spell DivX, he doesn't even know the difference between DIVX and DivX. So much for Mr. "I know everything" Bitemymac. (Hint #2: DaveGee is not talking about your precious codec.)
sigh..... still haven't heard anything constructive coming from this kid. I'm not going to waste my time on you. I'm sure it's joy to have you around, but you've been nothing but a troll here.
moving on....
Since the appropriate data is not on the Nielsen/Videoscan page leading you to surmise who might be included and who might not be I'd say the burden of proof falls on your shoulders since you wish to promote Nieslen as the bellweather dataset for HDM sales.
Thus you will give more credence to NV numbers than I. No harm in that.
sigh..... still haven't heard anything constructive coming from this kid. I'm not going to waste my time on you. I'm sure it's joy to have you around, but you've been nothing but a troll here.
moving on....
Good idea. Unless you like posts with little content interspersed amongst an abundance of ad hominem attacks.
I don't even think the two most prolific Blu-ray posters even own players and movies yet. Truth be told I almost went neutral last week. Just missed on a BD player for $150 on craigslist. I'm about the movies yet it's clear to me that HD DVD works for my own particular needs best.
From where I sit, on the ill-informed sidelines, it seems like Blu-Ray is the one gaining traction. HD-DVD sounds computerish to me and niche. It sounds like another one of those formats that gets washed into a big soup of "also does." You know: "This one also does HD-DVD, HR-DVD, HD+DVD, and VD-DVD."
Blu-ray on the other hand has an increasingly consumer ring to it. It just sounds increasingly normal, like something you go out and buy, not something shoe-horned into something else. It's not just the name, although Blu-Ray is a better name. Blu-Ray's increasing saturation in the consciousness of the ill-informed is a harbinger of format victory.
Good idea. Unless you like posts with little content interspersed amongst an abundance of ad hominem attacks.
I don't even think the two most prolific Blu-ray posters even own players and movies yet. Truth be told I almost went neutral last week. Just missed on a BD player for $150 on craigslist. I'm about the movies yet it's clear to me that HD DVD works for my own particular needs best.
LOL... for $150, I wouldn't mind to get one either. I've got too much junk already, but I could have probably taken the BD-drive out of the unit and used it with my HTPC. Oh well... still waiting on the right price for the BD/Combo drive......
Hint #2: DaveGee is not talking about your precious codec.
Correctamundo K.
I didn't think I had to define what divx given the nature of this thread...
D
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...637719-8092038
even using your fav Amazon rankings, 300 is out performing on Blu-Ray (I contributed there). Didn't you say that the HD-DVD version would out pace the Blu-Ray version?
Also, as bitemymac pointed out, that awesome network feature turned out to be anything but. Another feature I won't miss on my inferior Blu-Ray version.
This one is for Murch:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...637719-8092038
even using your fav Amazon rankings, 300 is out performing on Blu-Ray (I contributed there). Didn't you say that the HD-DVD version would out pace the Blu-Ray version?
Also, as bitemymac pointed out, that awesome network feature turned out to be anything but. Another feature I won't miss on my inferior Blu-Ray version.
Actually those who've engaged the Interactive features of the HD DVD version of 300 really think it's cool. Those who are Blu-ray diminish its value..but what would you expect?
300 on HD DVD isn't going to outsell the Blu-ray version. The all important neutral owner is purchasing the BD version for $5 less and many don't like Combos.
I'm also shocked at the disparity of store stock. I bought mine at Fry's on launch date and the 300 HD DVD was single stacked and I grabbed the last one. The BD was stacked side by side and had much more visible stock. AVS Best Buy employees are confirming that they ordered more BD 300 and in many cases they went through the HD DVD and were not restocked.
I think Amazon tends to show more balance because many HD DVD owners are tired of the low stock of B&M stores and so many are just preordering online.
I'm happy with Fry's they've have had sales on discs for a few weeks straight and their HD DVD section in Renton WA is decent ..only partially smaller than Blu-ray.
Correctamundo K.
I didn't think I had to define what divx given the nature of this thread...
You don't. At least not for the adults who are actually old enough to remember DIVX, rather than the high school students trying to masquerade as tech-savvy adults. Especially since you clearly wrote DIVX and not DivX. Anybody can see that difference, except, of course, somebody who can't tell the difference between Nielsen and Nelson. But what can you expect from today's kids who have no spelling or capitalization skills, having been raised with things like l33tspeak and "R U OK?" Have you noticed how all he ever says is "Nelson [sic] bad! Personal attack, personal attack!" but never even acknowledges Walter's challenge to come up with a better source than Nielsen? When all else fails, create a diversion and act like you didn't see the question. It's what he's always done whenever somebody gives him a legitimate question in this thread. Dodge and weave.
His bosom buddy isn't much better. Now that 300 on HD DVD hasn't outranked the Blu-ray version as he predicted a couple of pages back ("patience," he confidently said), he's suddenly shifting from his stance that the Amazon rankings matter. Now suddenly it's the bricks and mortar stores that matter.
And Cam, there's your problem right there. Don't you know that Blockbuster doesn't matter? It's a second-tier retailer. It's going under. Well, at least that's what the HD DVD fans say.
300 on HD DVD isn't going to outsell the Blu-ray version. The all important neutral owner is purchasing the BD version for $5 less and many don't like Combos.
Then why did you guarantee it two months ago?
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...89#post1088689
Ouch...I guarantee you that 300 will sell more HD DVD copies.
Shouldn't the neutral owners buy the HD DVD version because of the cool IME features?
Lol.. I'm sure this thread is stick in an infinite loop!
Come now, there's nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops .. theres nothing wrong with infinite loops
etc.
Here comes HD-DVD or Bly-Ray on apple today!!!
Once again Warner lets the HD DVD version of a movie pwn the Blu-ray verison.
Ouch...I guarantee you that 300 will sell more HD DVD copies.
Ouch...I guess the only thing that got pwned is you...