Kolchak, you just contradicted yourself but i dont care. star wars has more cheesy lines, tons of bad acting, etc etc than the matrix. not to mention it has the most die hard fanboys on the planet
I haven't contradicted myself at all. I said from the get-go that only about half of the SW movies were good. Nevertheless, impartial cultural observers have noted that it was indeed a cultural phenomenon at its 1977 debut. You, on the other hand, continue to say the Matrix films were all great, despite many scathing reviews of the sequels and lots of bad word of mouth even from a lot of fans. Fanboyism is evident.
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the matrix was stiff, i realize that, it was also a lot darker and for god sakes it put philosphy a long with socratic dialogue right up your butt haha. i was dumbfounded that Reloaded created so much hysteria before it was released, so yeah people did jump off the bandwagon.
were reloaded and revolutions better than the first? no, but that were good and i'm yet to see any movie pull off those effects and those themes so nicely. could they have been a bit diferrent? a litle softer on all the heavy pseudo ? sure, and i think the brothers went through a learning experience with those movies, look at what they did with V for Vendetta
Well, I can see from your grammatical structure, capitalization and logical deductions that you've been intellectually stimulated by all those effects. You're very obviously too young to have been there in 1977, so don't presume to tell those who were actually there what it was like.
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its still a great trilogy to a lot of people and umm A LOT of people know who Neo is.
Baloney. Go up to anybody on the street and ask them, "Who's Neo?" or say, "There is no spoon." More than 9 out of 10, likely far more, will say, "I have no idea," and "What?"
There's another factor here besides the format war that's holding me back from making a commitment. And that's sound. In order to get the maximum quality you need a receiver that accepts HDMI input. I have an excellent 3 year-old receiver that works great but, as you guessed it, no HDMI. And just this morning SWMBO emphatically said no new big--read expensive-- toys. I've talked with a number of people who feel that optical sound from the HD/B-R player is fine, so I'd be tempted to go that route except for the lack of resolution of the format war. Plus I'd have to figure out how to free up an optical input on the receiver.
I must admit though, that Blu-Ray and the PS3 are looking better and better all the time. At this point, though, the availability of titles that interest me isn't there, so this makes waiting that much easier.
One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
There's another factor here besides the format war that's holding me back from making a commitment. And that's sound. In order to get the maximum quality you need a receiver that accepts HDMI input. I have an excellent 3 year-old receiver that works great but, as you guessed it, no HDMI. And just this morning SWMBO emphatically said no new big--read expensive-- toys. I've talked with a number of people who feel that optical sound from the HD/B-R player is fine, so I'd be tempted to go that route except for the lack of resolution of the format war. Plus I'd have to figure out how to free up an optical input on the receiver.
I must admit though, that Blu-Ray and the PS3 are looking better and better all the time. At this point, though, the availability of titles that interest me isn't there, so this makes waiting that much easier.
One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
Digital audio over HDMI is identical to digital audio over coax and toslink. HDMI just lets you bundle your audio and video on a single cable.
I haven't contradicted myself at all. I said from the get-go that only about half of the SW movies were good. Nevertheless, impartial cultural observers have noted that it was indeed a cultural phenomenon at its 1977 debut. You, on the other hand, continue to say the Matrix films were all great, despite many scathing reviews of the sequels and lots of bad word of mouth even from a lot of fans. Fanboyism is evident.
Heh, folks compare the cultural impact of SW with The Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind. Part of the reason that it made such an impact was the decline of moviemaking in the 70's prior to the new generation of Spelberg, Coppola and well Lucas. Lucas and Spielberg arguably reinvented summer blockbuster...and nothing was like the humongous multi-block lines to see Star Wars 4, 5 and to a much less extent 6.
Given that Star Wars revitalized Science Fiction as a genre that had been relegated to B movies or sloooow art films (2001 and Solaris) I'd say that without SW there would have been no Matrix.
For this generation I would say the closest trilogy in comparison is LOTR.
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Baloney. Go up to anybody on the street and ask them, "Who's Neo?" or say, "There is no spoon." More than 9 out of 10, likely far more, will say, "I have no idea," and "What?"
Heh...when you have 1.5% of the population of a country (New Zealand) mark themselves down as "Jedi" when asked for religion in an official census you know that SW is a worldwide (at least english world) cultural phenomenon. Amusingly the UK assigned a religion code for Jedi for census processing (#896...listed between 700 for "Other Religions" and 897 for "Heathen") which clocked in at 0.7% of the population.
And just this morning SWMBO emphatically said no new big--read expensive-- toys. I've talked with a number of people who feel that optical sound from the HD/B-R player is fine, so I'd be tempted to go that route except for the lack of resolution of the format war. Plus I'd have to figure out how to free up an optical input on the receiver.
What if something were to, er, "happen" to the receiver? For instance, if it failed to power up when she turned it on? Wouldn't be your fault then, right? And you'd probably have to buy a new one if the repair quote was too high. Heh heh.
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One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
My point exactly. Most historians agree it was a cultural milestone, regardless of whether they personally cared for it or not. It was much more than just a blockbuster movie. Meanwhile, anybody who talks about the Matrix being "deep" has never taken a real philosophy class. Just saying that you may be living in a dream world is not philosophy. Keeping billions of humans in a dream state for their bio-energy is just so inefficient and scientifically ludicrous it doesn't deserve discussion.
Star Wars is number 2. Empire Strikes Back 12. Return of the Jedi 14. Episode 1 19, Episode 3 56, Episode 2 82. The only Matrix movie on the list is Reloaded at, uh, number 98.
What if something were to, er, "happen" to the receiver? For instance, if it failed to power up when she turned it on? Wouldn't be your fault then, right? And you'd probably have to buy a new one if the repair quote was too high. Heh heh.
Now you're thinking! Break that effer!
I have been looking at receivers too, not just for HDMI but for video upscaling and upconverting. I am at least a year out, but right now I'm looking at the Denon AVR-4306 http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/2243.asp. Problem is I'll need some decent speakers, so I'll be into $3000 before you can blink.
I need to get a nice 5.1 setup to compliment my PS3.
Consider a Yamaha digital sound projector. I bought the bottom of the line YSP 800 and an eight inch subwoofer for under $1000. That is the whole sound system, amplifier and all speakers. I think it sounds great, but maybe a true audiophile would not like it. It was all I could afford after buying a 32 inch Sony Bravia. The PS3 will be in a couple months.
Consider a Yamaha digital sound projector. I bought the bottom of the line YSP 800 and an eight inch subwoofer for under $1000. That is the whole sound system, amplifier and all speakers. I think it sounds great, but maybe a true audiophile would not like it. It was all I could afford after buying a 32 inch Sony Bravia. The PS3 will be in a couple months.
The SSP doesn't even begin to compare to the level of equipment we are talking about, but you seem to be aware of that. The new thing in AVRs is video upconversion and upscaling. In my research, the Denon seems to be the best at handling video and for overall sound quality....without spending $7000.
Read my post again. Those unaltered DVD versions were made from the laserdiscs because Lucas claimed no film masters exist anymore (he says he destroyed them after he made the Special Editions because the originals weren't what he always intended they should be). In other words, standard definition video. You can clean them up as much as you want, but no way standard definition 480i going to look good on a 1080p disc.
I just got done watching The Empire Strikes Back broadcast in HD on HBO, and it looked pretty good IMO.
As for the matrix.
To tell you truth I wasn't that impressed with the first matrix. I didn't see anything that extraordinarily original there, and I was just not that enthusiastic about the film. And actually I still think it's merely an OK film. I thought it was a bandwagon movie that impressed a few people, and it got spread by over-enthusiasm by a few influential people in a few circles that had never seen bullet time before. It wasn't until the second and third ones that I was impressed with the overall vision of the film.
The SSP doesn't even begin to compare to the level of equipment we are talking about, but you seem to be aware of that. The new thing in AVRs is video upconversion and upscaling. In my research, the Denon seems to be the best at handling video and for overall sound quality . . . without spending $7000.
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
Thanks.
Well, I'm not a guru, but I know a little.
First, any receiver in the price range you are talking about will NOT truly upconvert video. They can output through HDMI (HDMI switching, I think), but that is not the same thing. To get real upconversion, you have to spend at least $1500. That's what I found in my recent research.
As for Coax, there was a discussion about this somewhere today that I was reading. I think the quality is the same. The advantage with HDMI is that you can run all the audio and video through one cable. That's my understanding anyway.
To get real upconversion, you have to spend at least $1500.
Now I'm really glad I bought the Yamaha YSP 800. It's not in the same league maybe, but it sounds good. The surround effect is distinctly there, but likely not as good as a seven speaker system.
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As for Coax, there was a discussion about this somewhere today that I was reading. I think the quality is the same. The advantage with HDMI is that you can run all the audio and video through one cable. That's my understanding anyway.
Well, his personal opinion in the matter is as valuable as your own. His opinion of Universal holding the sword to end the Hi-Def format war can be said to Fox and Disney as well. Any of the three major studios tipping over can tip the scale with ever direction because the market is still a niche.
Actually, his personal opinion in the matter is much more valuable than mine from a PR perspective seeing how he is a well respected individual with many inside ties to the industry along with having his own site, his various reviews, many consumers visiting his site, etc. I am nothing more than you everyday humble poster, stating the obvious which is HD DVD is getting pwned.
Hmm, you forgot Lionsgate, MGM, and Sony/Columbia Pictures as well. So, on one hand you have Universal exclusive to HD DVD, and on the other you have Disney, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, and Sony/Columbia Pictures exclusive to Blu-ray...what do you think is the more rational scenario, Universal switching to BD support or 5 exclusive studios switching over to HD DVD? In your world, it certainly might be the latter, but in reality, it is much more realistic that Universal will not be able to ignore the money that continues to poor into the Blu-ray train.
Sorry to bother you though, please commence with the rationalizing and attempted justifications of the $$$ you've dumped on a losing format. Can someone say cognitive dissonance?
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
Thanks.
For that price range, video upconversion quality may be only as good as what recent TV's can do on it's own. I don't think you'll find it much useful unless you're spending alot more money on the avr that would cost more than the external video processor. However, this really depends on your display and how you would bench the upcoversion performance.
In any rate, if you're looking for a AVR with HDMI switching that can match PS3 would be very difficult, unless you're willing sacrifice features on HDMI 1.3. There are many AVR's with HDMI switching or video processing, but none of them current meets HDMI 1.3 spec. The basic difference of HDMI 1.3 vs. the lower 1.2 or less is having extra bandwidth for extra bits color and also extra bandwidth for sending multi-channel uncompressed audio to the AVR. The audio bandwidth on digital coax and optical SPDIF is not enough anymore for Hi-Def audio. BTW, from my personal experience of TrueHD audio to analog 5.1 to same TrueHD audio down converted to DTS via SPDIF is noticeable, but I don't think many will have the system or pair of ears to resolve the difference as obvious. So, the sacrificed features of HDMI 1.3 on PS3 would really depend on your system and you. However, if I was looking to get an new AVR, I'd wait few more months for HDMI 1.3 compliant AVR for future proofing.
Actually, his personal opinion in the matter is much more valuable than mine from a PR perspective seeing how he is a well respected individual with many inside ties to the industry along with having his own site, his various reviews, many consumers visiting his site, etc. I am nothing more than you everyday humble poster, stating the obvious which is HD DVD is getting pwned.
Hmm, you forgot Lionsgate, MGM, and Sony/Columbia Pictures as well. So, on one hand you have Universal exclusive to HD DVD, and on the other you have Disney, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, and Sony/Columbia Pictures exclusive to Blu-ray...what do you think is the more rational scenario, Universal switching to BD support or 5 exclusive studios switching over to HD DVD? In your world, it certainly might be the latter, but in reality, it is much more realistic that Universal will not be able to ignore the money that continues to poor into the Blu-ray train.
Sorry to bother you though, please commence with the rationalizing and attempted justifications of the $$$ you've dumped on a losing format. Can someone say cognitive dissonance?
LOL... pwned what?... with his opinion?..... Did BD out sold SD DVD's? You're forgetting that war just started and all opinions are just opinions. No one can predict the market as it was the case with Beta vs. VHS.
Anyway, I'm a HiDef hobbyst/enthusiast. I've participated in the Hi-def audio as well as the video, now. As long as I'm enjoying my purchases, I'm not wasting any money at all. I've watched HD version of newly released Departed which I had picked up for BB for $22.99 the other day and it was fantastic title to have in HD-DVD, both for video and audio. Despite my dislikes of the BD, and if Disney does not go neutral by the year end, I'll probably will pick up a BD player for the exclusives only. However, I'm predicting that I probably don't have to get a BD player by the year end.
Well, his personal opinion in the matter is as valuable as your own.
"I truly don't care which format wins, as long as one wins. But as long as there are two competing formats, we ALL lose. Period."
Seems like a reasonable personal opinion. And he has more readers than either of you so his personal opinion is more important as it gets more readership.
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BTW, did any of you guys noticed a recent slump on software sales on both Hi-Def formats? I can understand the slump on the HD-DVD sides due to lack or new title announcements, but what's going on with the BD side?... Perhaps, PS3 owners stopped buying BD movies or PS3 stopped selling? I think BD cheerleading and PS3 rush is coming to an end. (my personal opinion, of course)
Why is a post-christmas slump a big deal for either camp? Trying to determine some pattern in Jan/Feb either pro or con is just dumb. Just my personal opinion of course...and its inevitable that BD will catch up to HD-DVD simply because of the differing levels of studio support regardless of any other factor.
There's also no reason for any exclusive studio to decide to change in 2007. Who surrenders just as the battle begins? Or does someone expect corporations to suddenly develop common sense?
Well, I can see from your grammatical structure, capitalization and logical deductions that you've been intellectually stimulated by all those effects. You're very obviously too young to have been there in 1977, so don't presume to tell those who were actually there what it was like.
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
instead you decided to use one of the oldest and tiresome personal attacks on the web, so good for you grandpa
hurry up and retire so i can take your position from you cuz you're obviously lacking in the productivity department, and while you're at it make sure to tell your secretary (err, my new secretary) to double check my capitalization and grammatical structure for any of my blogs
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
instead you decided to use one of the oldest and tiresome personal attacks on the web, so good for you grandpa
hurry up and retire so i can take your position from you cuz you're obviously lacking in the productivity department, and while you're at it make sure to tell your secretary (err, my new secretary) to double check my capitalization and grammatical structure for any of my blogs
thanks.
Have you graduated high school yet? I can almost feel the hormones coming off your post.
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Kolchak, you just contradicted yourself but i dont care. star wars has more cheesy lines, tons of bad acting, etc etc than the matrix. not to mention it has the most die hard fanboys on the planet
I haven't contradicted myself at all. I said from the get-go that only about half of the SW movies were good. Nevertheless, impartial cultural observers have noted that it was indeed a cultural phenomenon at its 1977 debut. You, on the other hand, continue to say the Matrix films were all great, despite many scathing reviews of the sequels and lots of bad word of mouth even from a lot of fans. Fanboyism is evident.
the matrix was stiff, i realize that, it was also a lot darker and for god sakes it put philosphy a long with socratic dialogue right up your butt haha. i was dumbfounded that Reloaded created so much hysteria before it was released, so yeah people did jump off the bandwagon.
were reloaded and revolutions better than the first? no, but that were good and i'm yet to see any movie pull off those effects and those themes so nicely. could they have been a bit diferrent? a litle softer on all the heavy pseudo ? sure, and i think the brothers went through a learning experience with those movies, look at what they did with V for Vendetta
Well, I can see from your grammatical structure, capitalization and logical deductions that you've been intellectually stimulated by all those effects. You're very obviously too young to have been there in 1977, so don't presume to tell those who were actually there what it was like.
its still a great trilogy to a lot of people and umm A LOT of people know who Neo is.
Baloney. Go up to anybody on the street and ask them, "Who's Neo?" or say, "There is no spoon." More than 9 out of 10, likely far more, will say, "I have no idea," and "What?"
I must admit though, that Blu-Ray and the PS3 are looking better and better all the time. At this point, though, the availability of titles that interest me isn't there, so this makes waiting that much easier.
One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
There's another factor here besides the format war that's holding me back from making a commitment. And that's sound. In order to get the maximum quality you need a receiver that accepts HDMI input. I have an excellent 3 year-old receiver that works great but, as you guessed it, no HDMI. And just this morning SWMBO emphatically said no new big--read expensive-- toys. I've talked with a number of people who feel that optical sound from the HD/B-R player is fine, so I'd be tempted to go that route except for the lack of resolution of the format war. Plus I'd have to figure out how to free up an optical input on the receiver.
I must admit though, that Blu-Ray and the PS3 are looking better and better all the time. At this point, though, the availability of titles that interest me isn't there, so this makes waiting that much easier.
One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
Digital audio over HDMI is identical to digital audio over coax and toslink. HDMI just lets you bundle your audio and video on a single cable.
I haven't contradicted myself at all. I said from the get-go that only about half of the SW movies were good. Nevertheless, impartial cultural observers have noted that it was indeed a cultural phenomenon at its 1977 debut. You, on the other hand, continue to say the Matrix films were all great, despite many scathing reviews of the sequels and lots of bad word of mouth even from a lot of fans. Fanboyism is evident.
Heh, folks compare the cultural impact of SW with The Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind. Part of the reason that it made such an impact was the decline of moviemaking in the 70's prior to the new generation of Spelberg, Coppola and well Lucas. Lucas and Spielberg arguably reinvented summer blockbuster...and nothing was like the humongous multi-block lines to see Star Wars 4, 5 and to a much less extent 6.
Given that Star Wars revitalized Science Fiction as a genre that had been relegated to B movies or sloooow art films (2001 and Solaris) I'd say that without SW there would have been no Matrix.
For this generation I would say the closest trilogy in comparison is LOTR.
Baloney. Go up to anybody on the street and ask them, "Who's Neo?" or say, "There is no spoon." More than 9 out of 10, likely far more, will say, "I have no idea," and "What?"
Heh...when you have 1.5% of the population of a country (New Zealand) mark themselves down as "Jedi" when asked for religion in an official census you know that SW is a worldwide (at least english world) cultural phenomenon. Amusingly the UK assigned a religion code for Jedi for census processing (#896...listed between 700 for "Other Religions" and 897 for "Heathen") which clocked in at 0.7% of the population.
Vinea
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2...tion5part3.pdf
(search for Jedi)
And just this morning SWMBO emphatically said no new big--read expensive-- toys. I've talked with a number of people who feel that optical sound from the HD/B-R player is fine, so I'd be tempted to go that route except for the lack of resolution of the format war. Plus I'd have to figure out how to free up an optical input on the receiver.
What if something were to, er, "happen" to the receiver? For instance, if it failed to power up when she turned it on? Wouldn't be your fault then, right?
One final note about Star Wars. You really had to have been there when the first Star Wars movie was released. It was so different from all the science fiction/adventure movies that had gone before it that it totally blew people away. Even people that didn't like that genre were captivated by it.
My point exactly. Most historians agree it was a cultural milestone, regardless of whether they personally cared for it or not. It was much more than just a blockbuster movie. Meanwhile, anybody who talks about the Matrix being "deep" has never taken a real philosophy class. Just saying that you may be living in a dream world is not philosophy. Keeping billions of humans in a dream state for their bio-energy is just so inefficient and scientifically ludicrous it doesn't deserve discussion.
Oh, and for anyone foolish enough to try to draw parallels between the movies: All time top box office totals adjusted for inflation
Star Wars is number 2. Empire Strikes Back 12. Return of the Jedi 14. Episode 1 19, Episode 3 56, Episode 2 82. The only Matrix movie on the list is Reloaded at, uh, number 98.
What if something were to, er, "happen" to the receiver? For instance, if it failed to power up when she turned it on? Wouldn't be your fault then, right? And you'd probably have to buy a new one if the repair quote was too high. Heh heh.
Now you're thinking!
I have been looking at receivers too, not just for HDMI but for video upscaling and upconverting. I am at least a year out, but right now I'm looking at the Denon AVR-4306 http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/2243.asp. Problem is I'll need some decent speakers, so I'll be into $3000 before you can blink.
I need to get a nice 5.1 setup to compliment my PS3.
I need to get a nice 5.1 setup to compliment my PS3.
Consider a Yamaha digital sound projector. I bought the bottom of the line YSP 800 and an eight inch subwoofer for under $1000. That is the whole sound system, amplifier and all speakers. I think it sounds great, but maybe a true audiophile would not like it. It was all I could afford after buying a 32 inch Sony Bravia. The PS3 will be in a couple months.
Consider a Yamaha digital sound projector. I bought the bottom of the line YSP 800 and an eight inch subwoofer for under $1000. That is the whole sound system, amplifier and all speakers. I think it sounds great, but maybe a true audiophile would not like it. It was all I could afford after buying a 32 inch Sony Bravia. The PS3 will be in a couple months.
The SSP doesn't even begin to compare to the level of equipment we are talking about, but you seem to be aware of that. The new thing in AVRs is video upconversion and upscaling. In my research, the Denon seems to be the best at handling video and for overall sound quality....without spending $7000.
Read my post again. Those unaltered DVD versions were made from the laserdiscs because Lucas claimed no film masters exist anymore (he says he destroyed them after he made the Special Editions because the originals weren't what he always intended they should be). In other words, standard definition video. You can clean them up as much as you want, but no way standard definition 480i going to look good on a 1080p disc.
I just got done watching The Empire Strikes Back broadcast in HD on HBO, and it looked pretty good IMO.
As for the matrix.
To tell you truth I wasn't that impressed with the first matrix. I didn't see anything that extraordinarily original there, and I was just not that enthusiastic about the film. And actually I still think it's merely an OK film. I thought it was a bandwagon movie that impressed a few people, and it got spread by over-enthusiasm by a few influential people in a few circles that had never seen bullet time before. It wasn't until the second and third ones that I was impressed with the overall vision of the film.
my 2¢
The SSP doesn't even begin to compare to the level of equipment we are talking about, but you seem to be aware of that. The new thing in AVRs is video upconversion and upscaling. In my research, the Denon seems to be the best at handling video and for overall sound quality . . . without spending $7000.
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
Thanks.
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
Thanks.
Well, I'm not a guru, but I know a little.
First, any receiver in the price range you are talking about will NOT truly upconvert video. They can output through HDMI (HDMI switching, I think), but that is not the same thing. To get real upconversion, you have to spend at least $1500. That's what I found in my recent research.
As for Coax, there was a discussion about this somewhere today that I was reading. I think the quality is the same. The advantage with HDMI is that you can run all the audio and video through one cable. That's my understanding anyway.
To get real upconversion, you have to spend at least $1500.
Now I'm really glad I bought the Yamaha YSP 800. It's not in the same league maybe, but it sounds good. The surround effect is distinctly there, but likely not as good as a seven speaker system.
As for Coax, there was a discussion about this somewhere today that I was reading. I think the quality is the same. The advantage with HDMI is that you can run all the audio and video through one cable. That's my understanding anyway.
I suspected this was so. Thanks much.
Well, his personal opinion in the matter is as valuable as your own. His opinion of Universal holding the sword to end the Hi-Def format war can be said to Fox and Disney as well. Any of the three major studios tipping over can tip the scale with ever direction because the market is still a niche.
Actually, his personal opinion in the matter is much more valuable than mine from a PR perspective seeing how he is a well respected individual with many inside ties to the industry along with having his own site, his various reviews, many consumers visiting his site, etc. I am nothing more than you everyday humble poster, stating the obvious which is HD DVD is getting pwned.
Hmm, you forgot Lionsgate, MGM, and Sony/Columbia Pictures as well. So, on one hand you have Universal exclusive to HD DVD, and on the other you have Disney, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, and Sony/Columbia Pictures exclusive to Blu-ray...what do you think is the more rational scenario, Universal switching to BD support or 5 exclusive studios switching over to HD DVD? In your world, it certainly might be the latter, but in reality, it is much more realistic that Universal will not be able to ignore the money that continues to poor into the Blu-ray train.
Sorry to bother you though, please commence with the rationalizing and attempted justifications of the $$$ you've dumped on a losing format.
I think I was looking at video upconversion receivers. These would convert composite video, s-video and component video to digital, and output it on an HDMI connector. Do I have that right? The Sony was like $850, but I like an Onkyo for $650.
What stopped me from going this route was all the speaker I would need to buy, plus run wires which I dislike. I decided to stay with my old receiver for a year or two, but discovered the Yamaha YSP. You call it an SSP. What does that stand for? YSP is likely Yamaha Sound Projector.
You appear to know a lot about audio. Can you tell me whether coal digital audio is as good as the HDMI audio? My Yamaha has coax, optical and HDMI for digital audio inputs.
Thanks.
For that price range, video upconversion quality may be only as good as what recent TV's can do on it's own. I don't think you'll find it much useful unless you're spending alot more money on the avr that would cost more than the external video processor. However, this really depends on your display and how you would bench the upcoversion performance.
In any rate, if you're looking for a AVR with HDMI switching that can match PS3 would be very difficult, unless you're willing sacrifice features on HDMI 1.3. There are many AVR's with HDMI switching or video processing, but none of them current meets HDMI 1.3 spec. The basic difference of HDMI 1.3 vs. the lower 1.2 or less is having extra bandwidth for extra bits color and also extra bandwidth for sending multi-channel uncompressed audio to the AVR. The audio bandwidth on digital coax and optical SPDIF is not enough anymore for Hi-Def audio. BTW, from my personal experience of TrueHD audio to analog 5.1 to same TrueHD audio down converted to DTS via SPDIF is noticeable, but I don't think many will have the system or pair of ears to resolve the difference as obvious. So, the sacrificed features of HDMI 1.3 on PS3 would really depend on your system and you. However, if I was looking to get an new AVR, I'd wait few more months for HDMI 1.3 compliant AVR for future proofing.
Actually, his personal opinion in the matter is much more valuable than mine from a PR perspective seeing how he is a well respected individual with many inside ties to the industry along with having his own site, his various reviews, many consumers visiting his site, etc. I am nothing more than you everyday humble poster, stating the obvious which is HD DVD is getting pwned.
Hmm, you forgot Lionsgate, MGM, and Sony/Columbia Pictures as well. So, on one hand you have Universal exclusive to HD DVD, and on the other you have Disney, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, and Sony/Columbia Pictures exclusive to Blu-ray...what do you think is the more rational scenario, Universal switching to BD support or 5 exclusive studios switching over to HD DVD? In your world, it certainly might be the latter, but in reality, it is much more realistic that Universal will not be able to ignore the money that continues to poor into the Blu-ray train.
Sorry to bother you though, please commence with the rationalizing and attempted justifications of the $$$ you've dumped on a losing format.
LOL... pwned what?... with his opinion?..... Did BD out sold SD DVD's? You're forgetting that war just started and all opinions are just opinions. No one can predict the market as it was the case with Beta vs. VHS.
Anyway, I'm a HiDef hobbyst/enthusiast. I've participated in the Hi-def audio as well as the video, now. As long as I'm enjoying my purchases, I'm not wasting any money at all. I've watched HD version of newly released Departed which I had picked up for BB for $22.99 the other day and it was fantastic title to have in HD-DVD, both for video and audio. Despite my dislikes of the BD, and if Disney does not go neutral by the year end, I'll probably will pick up a BD player for the exclusives only. However, I'm predicting that I probably don't have to get a BD player by the year end.
Well, his personal opinion in the matter is as valuable as your own.
"I truly don't care which format wins, as long as one wins. But as long as there are two competing formats, we ALL lose. Period."
Seems like a reasonable personal opinion. And he has more readers than either of you so his personal opinion is more important as it gets more readership.
BTW, did any of you guys noticed a recent slump on software sales on both Hi-Def formats? I can understand the slump on the HD-DVD sides due to lack or new title announcements, but what's going on with the BD side?... Perhaps, PS3 owners stopped buying BD movies or PS3 stopped selling? I think BD cheerleading and PS3 rush is coming to an end. (my personal opinion, of course)
Why is a post-christmas slump a big deal for either camp? Trying to determine some pattern in Jan/Feb either pro or con is just dumb. Just my personal opinion of course...and its inevitable that BD will catch up to HD-DVD simply because of the differing levels of studio support regardless of any other factor.
There's also no reason for any exclusive studio to decide to change in 2007. Who surrenders just as the battle begins? Or does someone expect corporations to suddenly develop common sense?
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Well, I can see from your grammatical structure, capitalization and logical deductions that you've been intellectually stimulated by all those effects. You're very obviously too young to have been there in 1977, so don't presume to tell those who were actually there what it was like.
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
instead you decided to use one of the oldest and tiresome personal attacks on the web, so good for you grandpa
hurry up and retire so i can take your position from you cuz you're obviously lacking in the productivity department, and while you're at it make sure to tell your secretary (err, my new secretary) to double check my capitalization and grammatical structure for any of my blogs
thanks.
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
instead you decided to use one of the oldest and tiresome personal attacks on the web, so good for you grandpa
hurry up and retire so i can take your position from you cuz you're obviously lacking in the productivity department, and while you're at it make sure to tell your secretary (err, my new secretary) to double check my capitalization and grammatical structure for any of my blogs
thanks.
Have you graduated high school yet? I can almost feel the hormones coming off your post.