LOL... pwned what?... with his opinion?..... Did BD out sold SD DVD's? You're forgetting that war just started and all opinions are just opinions. No one can predict the market as it was the case with Beta vs. VHS.
Anyway, I'm a HiDef hobbyst/enthusiast. I've participated in the Hi-def audio as well as the video, now. As long as I'm enjoying my purchases, I'm not wasting any money at all. I've watched HD version of newly released Departed which I had picked up for BB for $22.99 the other day and it was fantastic title to have in HD-DVD, both for video and audio. Despite my dislikes of the BD, and if Disney does not go neutral by the year end, I'll probably will pick up a BD player for the exclusives only. However, I'm predicting that I probably don't have to get a BD player by the year end.
Yeah...good luck on Disney going neutral...others just like yourself have been spouting this for over a year now, with no Disney neutrality in sight. Speaking of Disney and BD-J, looks like the "broken" interactive feautures will be delivered as promised...
]Buena Vista Worldwide Home Entertainment has announced that the first European launch of Blu-ray Disc titles will be on March 19, 2007, starting in the UK and cascading out into other European countries very shortly thereafter, depending on the country.
The 12 launch titles include: Eight Below, Chicken Little, Enemy of the State, Flightplan, Gone in 60 Seconds, The Guardian, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Hollywoodland, Pearl Harbor, Scary Movie 4, Sky High, and The Wild.
In addition, Chicken Little will feature two new Java features exclusive to Blu-ray Disc: a filmmaker Q&A and an Alien Invasion game; The Guardian will feature one new Java feature: a filmmaker Q&A; and Eight Below and Flightplan will each include a Blu-Scape High Definition short film feature. (These new features may not be available in all countries due to localisation issues and individual market preference.)
Buena Vista has also announced that Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest will both be released on Blu-ray in May 2007 and coincide with the much-anticipated theatrical release of Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Each movie will be a 2-disc 75GB release and include brand new Java bonus plus all of the bonus features previously released on DVD.
The Curse of the Black Pearl will include an all new Java feature called "Scoundrels of the Sea", an interactive in-movie feature that presents facts onscreen about the legends and lore of pirates. Dead Man's Chest will include a Java feature called "Liar's Dice", a single-player game, shot in live action.
Similarly, Disney/Pixar Cars will be released on Blu-ray in Summer 2007 and will say Disney, "be the ultimate showcase movie for demonstrating just how perfect a picture can look since it's animated and completely based on digital files".
In addition, Cars will include two new Java bonus features.
Have you graduated high school yet? I can almost feel the hormones coming off your post.
yes, but that attack is really growing old, dont you think? in my opinion it is a lot more childish when someone goes "oh, well you knwo what you didn't capitalize!"
From my understanding reading on AVSForum, HDMI is required to get the full bandwidth of the advanced sound from the HD formats, so it's not just a one cable thing with HDMI, as compared with optical. But of course the questions arises can one hear the difference.
Unfortunately the receiver mysteriously and unexpectedly dying won't work on SWMBO as she very capable of putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with an answer she wouldn't like.
The receiver I'm really lusting after is the Yamaha RX-V2700. That one would definitely need SWMBO approval. A step down would be a Yamaha HTR-6090, which I can probably swing on my own. I already have a 7.1 speaker system, not the greatest but more than adequate for the room they're used in. I've heard bad things about Denon, not the quality of the receiver or anything like that, but that they're difficult to set up and have a dismal almost unreadable manual.
So, sigh, I'm in a waiting mode, which is definitely the way to go until this silly format war sorts itself out and more titles show up.
As an aside, I'm still wondering why this thread isn't in the General Forum. What's so future about something that's already out. The argument that HD and B-R drives aren't in computers yet as a reason the thread is in this board really doesn't hold up.
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
The truth hurts, doesn't it? The fact is that given your completely recalcitrant attitude and the lack of logic in your posts, I can't imagine you having a secretary anytime in the foreseeable future. You forget that us "old farts" have been where you are. We went to school with lots of kids who thought they were going to be big, despite serious shortcomings that they demonstrated time and again in their writing and deductive skills. They've gotten nowhere in life. Grow up. You weren't interested in "enlightenment." You'd already proven that. Like most kids, you think you know everything you already need to know. I guess you didn't notice the irony of how you got really snippy about a "personal attack" (all fact-based), then launch into a full post that was nothing except personal attack, with presumptuous name-calling like "grandpa." Here's a news flash: Blogs are nothing. MySpace pages are nothing. Anybody with the barest modicum of knowledge can start and write one. Because of that, most of them are garbage.
Yeah...good luck on Disney going neutral...others just like yourself have been spouting this for over a year now, with no Disney neutrality in sight. Speaking of Disney and BD-J, looks like the "broken" interactive feautures will be delivered as promised...
LOL.... BD-J isn't there for just a java games on the disc, but obviously the currently BD-J is only good for such purpose. When it's fully capable, you should have in movie interativity while your watching your movie, but not only being able to play web java online games on the disc. If you want to see how it works, go buy a HD-DVD and play Harry Potter, Batman Begins, charlie and the chocolate factory, Toykyo drift, and etc.... When/if BD-J works.... it should be doing what HD-DVD is doing right now.
For that price range, video upconversion quality may be only as good as what recent TV's can do on it's own. I don't think you'll find it much useful unless you're spending alot more money on the avr that would cost more than the external video processor. However, this really depends on your display and how you would bench the upcoversion performance.
In any rate, if you're looking for a AVR with HDMI switching that can match PS3 would be very difficult, unless you're willing sacrifice features on HDMI 1.3. There are many AVR's with HDMI switching or video processing, but none of them current meets HDMI 1.3 spec. The basic difference of HDMI 1.3 vs. the lower 1.2 or less is having extra bandwidth for extra bits color and also extra bandwidth for sending multi-channel uncompressed audio to the AVR. The audio bandwidth on digital coax and optical SPDIF is not enough anymore for Hi-Def audio. BTW, from my personal experience of TrueHD audio to analog 5.1 to same TrueHD audio down converted to DTS via SPDIF is noticeable, but I don't think many will have the system or pair of ears to resolve the difference as obvious. So, the sacrificed features of HDMI 1.3 on PS3 would really depend on your system and you. However, if I was looking to get an new AVR, I'd wait few more months for HDMI 1.3 compliant AVR for future proofing.
I was going to post that I wasn't sure waiting for 1.3 was needed, but then I did a little reading. It looks like you may be right...that there could be a potentially huge difference in quality. Then again, I have a decent consumer level plasma...not 1080p, so to me it probably would not matter. I will be waiting for a while to get an AVR anyway. That's my next purchase...the AVR and decent speakers (decent meaning about $1000 for the set...nothing Great"). After a few years I can always upgrade to a 1080p projector....you know, after they don't cost $10,000 anymore!
I was going to post that I wasn't sure waiting for 1.3 was needed, but then I did a little reading. It looks like you may be right...that there could be a potentially huge difference in quality. Then again, I have a decent consumer level plasma...not 1080p, so to me it probably would not matter. . . After a few years I can always upgrade to a 1080p projector.... you know, after they don't cost $10,000 anymore!
You and I are following the same strategy. We have an HDTV that is decent, but are waiting for prices to drop in the future to get our final system, though nothing is really 'final' in this technological world. You are waiting for a projector, and I'm waiting for a 46 inch or greater LCD.
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I will be waiting for a while to get an AVR anyway. That's my next purchase...the AVR and decent speakers (decent meaning about $1000 for the set...nothing Great").
I'll keep my Yamaha YSP 800 sound system until I upgrade the HDTV. By then my choices for sound may be even better. Since you seemed familiar with the Sound Project type system, have you ever heard a good demonstration of the Yamaha in a quality sound room? I'd be curious about your opinion. I know it can't compete with the best AVRs, but where is it on the scale of what's available in surround sound? My guess would be a 5 on a scale of 0 to 10. Then, I'm not very knowledgeable or discerning about audio. I may get more discerning if I spent time doing more comparisons than I have.
Blogs are nothing. MySpace pages are nothing. Anybody with the barest modicum of knowledge can start and write one. Because of that, most of them are garbage.
i agree with you 100% and our little argument just proved it. you say no one knows "neo" i say otherwise, so we go in circles
but yet i lack the logic and deductive skills because you put more effort into these pointless blogs and forum postings than i do, ok.
the problem with nitpicking someones posts on grammatical structure and capitlization is the fact that a lot of people post replies in forums in many different forms, thats just the way it is. also, you dont know what a persons first language is, how many languages they speak, etc.
that is the problem with nitpicking like that, not ot mention that it is extremely obnoxious.
the only thing i'll agree with you here is that i do come off like a hostile prick sometimes, its something i'm working on about myself, on forums, and personal life. ha, lets move a long now.
You see, this is exactly why people don't take you seriously. We're not arguing in circles. You just refuse to run the experiment I suggested, either because of sheer laziness or fear that you'll get exactly the result I promised. So you're breaking the circle. You instantly try to twist my words into saying all blogs are useless. I wrote "most," as in all the ones that have no facts, no style and poor grammar, capitalization and punctuation -- in other words, people who just post for the sake of posting and not with any real content. And yes, that's something else that escapes you. How you write for yourself is nobody's business but your own. But "many different forms" is completely inconsiderate if you expect others to read your "many blogs." I have the distinct feeling you've always felt your English teachers were "extremely obnoxious."
You see, this is exactly why people don't take you seriously. We're not arguing in circles. You just refuse to run the experiment I suggested, either because of sheer laziness or fear that you'll get exactly the result I promised. So you're breaking the circle. You instantly try to twist my words into saying all blogs are useless. I wrote "most," as in all the ones that have no facts, no style and poor grammar, capitalization and punctuation -- in other words, people who just post for the sake of posting and not with any real content. And yes, that's something else that escapes you. How you write for yourself is nobody's business but your own. But "many different forms" is completely inconsiderate if you expect others to read your "many blogs." I have the distinct feeling you've always felt your English teachers were "extremely obnoxious."
do you want me to video tape this? i'm in florida, i can almost promise you that a good amount of people will know who Neo is if i ask them
i cant believe i'm still arguing this with you. there is a big difference between posting on a forum and writing a paper, let it go.
You and I are following the same strategy. We have an HDTV that is decent, but are waiting for prices to drop in the future to get our final system, though nothing is really 'final' in this technological world. You are waiting for a projector, and I'm waiting for a 46 inch or greater LCD.
I'll keep my Yamaha YSP 800 sound system until I upgrade the HDTV. By then my choices for sound may be even better. Since you seemed familiar with the Sound Project type system, have you ever heard a good demonstration of the Yamaha in a quality sound room? I'd be curious about your opinion. I know it can't compete with the best AVRs, but where is it on the scale of what's available in surround sound? My guess would be a 5 on a scale of 0 to 10. Then, I'm not very knowledgeable or discerning about audio. I may get more discerning if I spent time doing more comparisons than I have.
I agree...nothing is final. The projector is more of a long term goal for me. I'm really happy with my TV. I figure it will become just for TV at some point, and I'll have another room for movies at some point, hence the projector.
As for sound, well I'm sure the YSP produces good sound. I have not heard a demo. However, we're really talking about two different categories of product. I am also interested in excellent, non-home theatre audio. I'm a musician and I've always wanted a top notch system. The Denon system would seem to be a nice combination for affordable price and near Hi-Fi quality. I have considered buying a cheaper system for movies, but I figure it would be better invested in a good set of speakers and nice reciever...not that I don't understand your choice, of course.
do you want me to video tape this? i'm in florida, i can almost promise you that a good amount of people will know who Neo is if i ask them
i cant believe i'm still arguing this with you. there is a big difference between posting on a forum and writing a paper, let it go.
You can't promise any such thing. Somebody's divorced from reality and everybody knows you'll never do it anyway. And boy, it sure must be difficult to reach for that shift key if you can't be bothered to do it online. Yet, amazingly, most everybody else in this forum apparently can, including the busy consultants, teachers, engineers and other professionals. I guess we're nothing but a bunch of fools who waste too much effort in trying to present our arguments in proper English, and that's why we're not multibillionaires like you're going to be, eh?
As much as I dislike being under the thumb of Sony, I think Blu-Ray is the format with legs at this point. I think I'd be happier if HD-DVD were to prevail, but I just don't see that in the cards right now. I do think it's possible for HD-DVD to make a comeback, but there's a difference between possible and likely. If I had money to vote with, I wouldn't worry about buying BluRay today.
As much as I dislike being under the thumb of Sony, I think Blu-Ray is the format with legs at this point. I think I'd be happier if HD-DVD were to prevail, but I just don't see that in the cards right now. I do think it's possible for HD-DVD to make a comeback, but there's a difference between possible and likely. If I had money to vote with, I wouldn't worry about buying BluRay today.
Why would you be happier if HD-DVD prevailed? The only real difference is the size of the disk, and the durability of the disk, and both of those favor Blu-Ray. If one is to prevail the one that can hold more data is obviously best for everybody. These formats are going to be used for more than just movies.
I await a grand explanation on this because what you said sounds like your somewhat uninformed about these formats.
It was the phrase of the first sentence of my post. No grand explanation needed. It's not a technical issue. The two formats are too technically similar for me to care if one has a marginally higher capacity.
I don't like one company having a range from complete control to vast influence over the entire industry. They make movies, they make the hardware, they define the format. If Sony decides to add more restrictive DRM for instance, there is no stopping them.
Don't insult my intelligence for caring about different issues in the format war than you do.
It was the phrase of the first sentence of my post. No grand explanation needed. It's not a technical issue. The two formats are too technically similar for me to care if one has a marginally higher capacity.
Marginal??? Respectfully speaking, a 60% advantage in capacity per layer, and you state that this is marginal? I fail to understand this, especially when HD DVD has 30 GB discs and Blu-ray has 50 GB discs (them both being dual layer) today. A 20 GB disparity is huge, not marginal.
Morevover, when speaking from a foresight perspecitve, Blu-ray has 100 GB quad layered discs and 200 GB 6-8 layered discs already working in prototypes. The same can't be said for HD DVD who claims to have realized 45 GB and 51 GB discs, yet have not even produced a working prototype. Regardless, the capacity advantage Blu-ray has is anything but marginal.
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I don't like one company having a range from complete control to vast influence over the entire industry. They make movies, they make the hardware, they define the format. If Sony decides to add more restrictive DRM for instance, there is no stopping them.
Don't insult my intelligence for caring about different issues in the format war than you do.
Incorrect, if Sony wanted to add more restrictive DRM for instance, they would have to discuss and have such a move approved by the Blu-ray Disc Association. The BDA most assuredly would stop them if it wasn't in the best interest of the BDA (or consumer for that matter) as a whole.
Blu-ray, is NOT one company, as much as HD DVD fans would like for it to appear so. This is nothing more than FUD tactics implanted online to confuse and foster paranoia. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Blu-ray has numerous founders that have defined the format, they are the following,...
Apple Computer, Inc., Dell Inc., Hewlett Packard Company, Hitachi, Ltd., LG Electronics Inc., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, Sun Microsystems, Inc., TDK Corporation, Thomson Multimedia, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney Pictures, and Warner Bros. Entertainment.
^^And this is just the board of directors, who have been stated to develop the Blu-ray disc format.
There is over 170+ companies behind the format in reality. So while Microsofties would like people to buy into the FUD of Sony owning the hardware, the software, and defining the format alone, in reality the truth is, is that they, Sony are a subset of NUMEROUS companies that define the Blu-ray format, but do indeed have their own content and hardware. So in essence, you have nothing to worry about.
It could be that Guartho is one of those people holding out for holographic storage or something like that, something with a claimed order of magnitude capacity improvement over optical discs. In that case, 20GB per disc would indeed be marginal.
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Shouldnt that read "You've already proven that" ?? or would that be an example of going OFF TOPIC.
"You had already proven that" is a completely valid sentence. Not that I would want to make judgements if I typed "we are MENT top be disscussing Blu-Ray and HD-DVD."
Just to add once more of other technical superiorities Blu-ray possesses...
Blu-ray has higher data throughput.
Blu-ray has a more robust and durable disc.
Due to the capacity, higher bit rates can be accomplished.
Due to the capacity, more extras can be realized.
Interactivity is based upon BD-J which is...
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"based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM. GEM, in turn, forms the basis of most global digital television application standards, including Multimedia Home Platform ("DVB-MHP") for broadcast, satellite, and cable worldwide, OpenCable Application Platform ("OCAP") for North American cable, and Advanced Common Application Platform ("ACAP") for US broadcast."
...rather than HDi which is XML based and has DTDs defined by Microsoft themselves, thus limiting its robustness to the XML schemas as defined by Microsoft in the DTDs. In my opinion, BD-J offers much more robustness in being a subset of a full fledged programming language, and given the information above can be seen as technical advantage in that current global television application standards implement some form of Java thus better content interoperability can be realized.
And finally, due to the increased capacity, Blu-ray can store uncompressed audio on the disc. Especially important when movies begin to move to 7.1 surround sound rather than 5.1 that are currently shipping on both formats.
So there you have it, many other advantages Blu-ray posesses in terms of technical superiority. So, from this, I'm just not understanding how you come to the conclusion that they are too technically similar. Similar in some respects yes, but too similar for one not to care, I simply differ in opinion.
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LOL... pwned what?... with his opinion?..... Did BD out sold SD DVD's? You're forgetting that war just started and all opinions are just opinions. No one can predict the market as it was the case with Beta vs. VHS.
Anyway, I'm a HiDef hobbyst/enthusiast. I've participated in the Hi-def audio as well as the video, now. As long as I'm enjoying my purchases, I'm not wasting any money at all. I've watched HD version of newly released Departed which I had picked up for BB for $22.99 the other day and it was fantastic title to have in HD-DVD, both for video and audio. Despite my dislikes of the BD, and if Disney does not go neutral by the year end, I'll probably will pick up a BD player for the exclusives only. However, I'm predicting that I probably don't have to get a BD player by the year end.
Yeah...good luck on Disney going neutral...others just like yourself have been spouting this for over a year now, with no Disney neutrality in sight. Speaking of Disney and BD-J, looks like the "broken" interactive feautures will be delivered as promised...
http://www.mickeynews.com/News/Displ...d_E_2197Launch
]Buena Vista Worldwide Home Entertainment has announced that the first European launch of Blu-ray Disc titles will be on March 19, 2007, starting in the UK and cascading out into other European countries very shortly thereafter, depending on the country.
The 12 launch titles include: Eight Below, Chicken Little, Enemy of the State, Flightplan, Gone in 60 Seconds, The Guardian, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Hollywoodland, Pearl Harbor, Scary Movie 4, Sky High, and The Wild.
In addition, Chicken Little will feature two new Java features exclusive to Blu-ray Disc: a filmmaker Q&A and an Alien Invasion game; The Guardian will feature one new Java feature: a filmmaker Q&A; and Eight Below and Flightplan will each include a Blu-Scape High Definition short film feature. (These new features may not be available in all countries due to localisation issues and individual market preference.)
Buena Vista has also announced that Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest will both be released on Blu-ray in May 2007 and coincide with the much-anticipated theatrical release of Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Each movie will be a 2-disc 75GB release and include brand new Java bonus plus all of the bonus features previously released on DVD.
The Curse of the Black Pearl will include an all new Java feature called "Scoundrels of the Sea", an interactive in-movie feature that presents facts onscreen about the legends and lore of pirates. Dead Man's Chest will include a Java feature called "Liar's Dice", a single-player game, shot in live action.
Similarly, Disney/Pixar Cars will be released on Blu-ray in Summer 2007 and will say Disney, "be the ultimate showcase movie for demonstrating just how perfect a picture can look since it's animated and completely based on digital files".
In addition, Cars will include two new Java bonus features.
Mickey, ain't he great in Blu.
Have you graduated high school yet? I can almost feel the hormones coming off your post.
yes, but that attack is really growing old, dont you think? in my opinion it is a lot more childish when someone goes "oh, well you knwo what you didn't capitalize!"
come on.
Unfortunately the receiver mysteriously and unexpectedly dying won't work on SWMBO as she very capable of putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with an answer she wouldn't like.
The receiver I'm really lusting after is the Yamaha RX-V2700. That one would definitely need SWMBO approval. A step down would be a Yamaha HTR-6090, which I can probably swing on my own. I already have a 7.1 speaker system, not the greatest but more than adequate for the room they're used in. I've heard bad things about Denon, not the quality of the receiver or anything like that, but that they're difficult to set up and have a dismal almost unreadable manual.
So, sigh, I'm in a waiting mode, which is definitely the way to go until this silly format war sorts itself out and more titles show up.
As an aside, I'm still wondering why this thread isn't in the General Forum. What's so future about something that's already out. The argument that HD and B-R drives aren't in computers yet as a reason the thread is in this board really doesn't hold up.
nice. for a second there i thought you were really going to enligthen me with your fountain of knowledge and wisdom gained through aging but nope
The truth hurts, doesn't it? The fact is that given your completely recalcitrant attitude and the lack of logic in your posts, I can't imagine you having a secretary anytime in the foreseeable future. You forget that us "old farts" have been where you are. We went to school with lots of kids who thought they were going to be big, despite serious shortcomings that they demonstrated time and again in their writing and deductive skills. They've gotten nowhere in life. Grow up. You weren't interested in "enlightenment." You'd already proven that. Like most kids, you think you know everything you already need to know. I guess you didn't notice the irony of how you got really snippy about a "personal attack" (all fact-based), then launch into a full post that was nothing except personal attack, with presumptuous name-calling like "grandpa." Here's a news flash: Blogs are nothing. MySpace pages are nothing. Anybody with the barest modicum of knowledge can start and write one. Because of that, most of them are garbage.
Yeah...good luck on Disney going neutral...others just like yourself have been spouting this for over a year now, with no Disney neutrality in sight. Speaking of Disney and BD-J, looks like the "broken" interactive feautures will be delivered as promised...
http://www.mickeynews.com/News/Displ...d_E_2197Launch
Mickey, ain't he great in Blu.
LOL.... BD-J isn't there for just a java games on the disc, but obviously the currently BD-J is only good for such purpose. When it's fully capable, you should have in movie interativity while your watching your movie, but not only being able to play web java online games on the disc. If you want to see how it works, go buy a HD-DVD and play Harry Potter, Batman Begins, charlie and the chocolate factory, Toykyo drift, and etc.... When/if BD-J works.... it should be doing what HD-DVD is doing right now.
For that price range, video upconversion quality may be only as good as what recent TV's can do on it's own. I don't think you'll find it much useful unless you're spending alot more money on the avr that would cost more than the external video processor. However, this really depends on your display and how you would bench the upcoversion performance.
In any rate, if you're looking for a AVR with HDMI switching that can match PS3 would be very difficult, unless you're willing sacrifice features on HDMI 1.3. There are many AVR's with HDMI switching or video processing, but none of them current meets HDMI 1.3 spec. The basic difference of HDMI 1.3 vs. the lower 1.2 or less is having extra bandwidth for extra bits color and also extra bandwidth for sending multi-channel uncompressed audio to the AVR. The audio bandwidth on digital coax and optical SPDIF is not enough anymore for Hi-Def audio. BTW, from my personal experience of TrueHD audio to analog 5.1 to same TrueHD audio down converted to DTS via SPDIF is noticeable, but I don't think many will have the system or pair of ears to resolve the difference as obvious. So, the sacrificed features of HDMI 1.3 on PS3 would really depend on your system and you. However, if I was looking to get an new AVR, I'd wait few more months for HDMI 1.3 compliant AVR for future proofing.
I was going to post that I wasn't sure waiting for 1.3 was needed, but then I did a little reading. It looks like you may be right...that there could be a potentially huge difference in quality. Then again, I have a decent consumer level plasma...not 1080p, so to me it probably would not matter. I will be waiting for a while to get an AVR anyway. That's my next purchase...the AVR and decent speakers (decent meaning about $1000 for the set...nothing Great"). After a few years I can always upgrade to a 1080p projector....you know, after they don't cost $10,000 anymore!
I was going to post that I wasn't sure waiting for 1.3 was needed, but then I did a little reading. It looks like you may be right...that there could be a potentially huge difference in quality. Then again, I have a decent consumer level plasma...not 1080p, so to me it probably would not matter. . . After a few years I can always upgrade to a 1080p projector.... you know, after they don't cost $10,000 anymore!
You and I are following the same strategy. We have an HDTV that is decent, but are waiting for prices to drop in the future to get our final system, though nothing is really 'final' in this technological world. You are waiting for a projector, and I'm waiting for a 46 inch or greater LCD.
I will be waiting for a while to get an AVR anyway. That's my next purchase...the AVR and decent speakers (decent meaning about $1000 for the set...nothing Great").
I'll keep my Yamaha YSP 800 sound system until I upgrade the HDTV. By then my choices for sound may be even better. Since you seemed familiar with the Sound Project type system, have you ever heard a good demonstration of the Yamaha in a quality sound room? I'd be curious about your opinion. I know it can't compete with the best AVRs, but where is it on the scale of what's available in surround sound? My guess would be a 5 on a scale of 0 to 10. Then, I'm not very knowledgeable or discerning about audio. I may get more discerning if I spent time doing more comparisons than I have.
Blogs are nothing. MySpace pages are nothing. Anybody with the barest modicum of knowledge can start and write one. Because of that, most of them are garbage.
i agree with you 100% and our little argument just proved it. you say no one knows "neo" i say otherwise, so we go in circles
but yet i lack the logic and deductive skills because you put more effort into these pointless blogs and forum postings than i do, ok.
the problem with nitpicking someones posts on grammatical structure and capitlization is the fact that a lot of people post replies in forums in many different forms, thats just the way it is. also, you dont know what a persons first language is, how many languages they speak, etc.
that is the problem with nitpicking like that, not ot mention that it is extremely obnoxious.
the only thing i'll agree with you here is that i do come off like a hostile prick sometimes, its something i'm working on about myself, on forums, and personal life. ha, lets move a long now.
You see, this is exactly why people don't take you seriously. We're not arguing in circles. You just refuse to run the experiment I suggested, either because of sheer laziness or fear that you'll get exactly the result I promised. So you're breaking the circle. You instantly try to twist my words into saying all blogs are useless. I wrote "most," as in all the ones that have no facts, no style and poor grammar, capitalization and punctuation -- in other words, people who just post for the sake of posting and not with any real content. And yes, that's something else that escapes you. How you write for yourself is nobody's business but your own. But "many different forms" is completely inconsiderate if you expect others to read your "many blogs." I have the distinct feeling you've always felt your English teachers were "extremely obnoxious."
do you want me to video tape this? i'm in florida, i can almost promise you that a good amount of people will know who Neo is if i ask them
i cant believe i'm still arguing this with you. there is a big difference between posting on a forum and writing a paper, let it go.
You and I are following the same strategy. We have an HDTV that is decent, but are waiting for prices to drop in the future to get our final system, though nothing is really 'final' in this technological world. You are waiting for a projector, and I'm waiting for a 46 inch or greater LCD.
I'll keep my Yamaha YSP 800 sound system until I upgrade the HDTV. By then my choices for sound may be even better. Since you seemed familiar with the Sound Project type system, have you ever heard a good demonstration of the Yamaha in a quality sound room? I'd be curious about your opinion. I know it can't compete with the best AVRs, but where is it on the scale of what's available in surround sound? My guess would be a 5 on a scale of 0 to 10. Then, I'm not very knowledgeable or discerning about audio. I may get more discerning if I spent time doing more comparisons than I have.
I agree...nothing is final. The projector is more of a long term goal for me. I'm really happy with my TV. I figure it will become just for TV at some point, and I'll have another room for movies at some point, hence the projector.
As for sound, well I'm sure the YSP produces good sound. I have not heard a demo. However, we're really talking about two different categories of product. I am also interested in excellent, non-home theatre audio. I'm a musician and I've always wanted a top notch system. The Denon system would seem to be a nice combination for affordable price and near Hi-Fi quality. I have considered buying a cheaper system for movies, but I figure it would be better invested in a good set of speakers and nice reciever...not that I don't understand your choice, of course.
do you want me to video tape this? i'm in florida, i can almost promise you that a good amount of people will know who Neo is if i ask them
i cant believe i'm still arguing this with you. there is a big difference between posting on a forum and writing a paper, let it go.
You can't promise any such thing. Somebody's divorced from reality and everybody knows you'll never do it anyway. And boy, it sure must be difficult to reach for that shift key if you can't be bothered to do it online. Yet, amazingly, most everybody else in this forum apparently can, including the busy consultants, teachers, engineers and other professionals. I guess we're nothing but a bunch of fools who waste too much effort in trying to present our arguments in proper English, and that's why we're not multibillionaires like you're going to be, eh?
Circle Jerks
STOP IT!
This is not the "TWAT Forum" i know it might feel like it, but we are MENT top be disscussing Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
ps
They've gotten nowhere in life. Grow up. You weren't interested in "enlightenment." You'd already proven that.
Shouldnt that read "You've already proven that" ?? or would that be an example of going OFF TOPIC.
As much as I dislike being under the thumb of Sony, I think Blu-Ray is the format with legs at this point. I think I'd be happier if HD-DVD were to prevail, but I just don't see that in the cards right now. I do think it's possible for HD-DVD to make a comeback, but there's a difference between possible and likely. If I had money to vote with, I wouldn't worry about buying BluRay today.
Why would you be happier if HD-DVD prevailed? The only real difference is the size of the disk, and the durability of the disk, and both of those favor Blu-Ray. If one is to prevail the one that can hold more data is obviously best for everybody. These formats are going to be used for more than just movies.
I await a grand explanation on this because what you said sounds like your somewhat uninformed about these formats.
I don't like one company having a range from complete control to vast influence over the entire industry. They make movies, they make the hardware, they define the format. If Sony decides to add more restrictive DRM for instance, there is no stopping them.
Don't insult my intelligence for caring about different issues in the format war than you do.
It was the phrase of the first sentence of my post. No grand explanation needed. It's not a technical issue. The two formats are too technically similar for me to care if one has a marginally higher capacity.
Marginal??? Respectfully speaking, a 60% advantage in capacity per layer, and you state that this is marginal? I fail to understand this, especially when HD DVD has 30 GB discs and Blu-ray has 50 GB discs (them both being dual layer) today. A 20 GB disparity is huge, not marginal.
Morevover, when speaking from a foresight perspecitve, Blu-ray has 100 GB quad layered discs and 200 GB 6-8 layered discs already working in prototypes. The same can't be said for HD DVD who claims to have realized 45 GB and 51 GB discs, yet have not even produced a working prototype. Regardless, the capacity advantage Blu-ray has is anything but marginal.
I don't like one company having a range from complete control to vast influence over the entire industry. They make movies, they make the hardware, they define the format. If Sony decides to add more restrictive DRM for instance, there is no stopping them.
Don't insult my intelligence for caring about different issues in the format war than you do.
Incorrect, if Sony wanted to add more restrictive DRM for instance, they would have to discuss and have such a move approved by the Blu-ray Disc Association. The BDA most assuredly would stop them if it wasn't in the best interest of the BDA (or consumer for that matter) as a whole.
Blu-ray, is NOT one company, as much as HD DVD fans would like for it to appear so. This is nothing more than FUD tactics implanted online to confuse and foster paranoia. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Blu-ray has numerous founders that have defined the format, they are the following,...
Apple Computer, Inc., Dell Inc., Hewlett Packard Company, Hitachi, Ltd., LG Electronics Inc., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, Sun Microsystems, Inc., TDK Corporation, Thomson Multimedia, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney Pictures, and Warner Bros. Entertainment.
^^And this is just the board of directors, who have been stated to develop the Blu-ray disc format.
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_developers
There is over 170+ companies behind the format in reality. So while Microsofties would like people to buy into the FUD of Sony owning the hardware, the software, and defining the format alone, in reality the truth is, is that they, Sony are a subset of NUMEROUS companies that define the Blu-ray format, but do indeed have their own content and hardware. So in essence, you have nothing to worry about.
Shouldnt that read "You've already proven that" ?? or would that be an example of going OFF TOPIC.
"You had already proven that" is a completely valid sentence. Not that I would want to make judgements if I typed "we are MENT top be disscussing Blu-Ray and HD-DVD."
Blu-ray has higher data throughput.
Blu-ray has a more robust and durable disc.
Due to the capacity, higher bit rates can be accomplished.
Due to the capacity, more extras can be realized.
Interactivity is based upon BD-J which is...
"based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM. GEM, in turn, forms the basis of most global digital television application standards, including Multimedia Home Platform ("DVB-MHP") for broadcast, satellite, and cable worldwide, OpenCable Application Platform ("OCAP") for North American cable, and Advanced Common Application Platform ("ACAP") for US broadcast."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J
...rather than HDi which is XML based and has DTDs defined by Microsoft themselves, thus limiting its robustness to the XML schemas as defined by Microsoft in the DTDs. In my opinion, BD-J offers much more robustness in being a subset of a full fledged programming language, and given the information above can be seen as technical advantage in that current global television application standards implement some form of Java thus better content interoperability can be realized.
And finally, due to the increased capacity, Blu-ray can store uncompressed audio on the disc. Especially important when movies begin to move to 7.1 surround sound rather than 5.1 that are currently shipping on both formats.
So there you have it, many other advantages Blu-ray posesses in terms of technical superiority. So, from this, I'm just not understanding how you come to the conclusion that they are too technically similar. Similar in some respects yes, but too similar for one not to care, I simply differ in opinion.