Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2007)

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  • Reply 1061 of 4650
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    Originally Posted by Northgate View Post


    That cracked me up BrunoBruin. I too have a massive LaserDisc collection sitting there collecting dust. And to top it off my player is dead and there's no hope of finding a suitable replacement. And besides I've replaced all of my favorite titles with DVDs.



    I sold my Pioneer combo Laserdisc/DVD player on eBay just a year ago, and for not a bad price. (Now that I think about it, it was close to what I paid for my HD-A2.) Where I took a bath was on the discs. If I had sold when DVD was just starting to take off, I could have gotten $10-15 each; by the time I sold, I averaged less than $2. I sold the whole lot off to a reseller just to be rid of them.



    Oddly, among those Laserdiscs was a number of movies that have still not been released on DVD. I wonder if I'll see HD versions in my lifetime!
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  • Reply 1062 of 4650
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    Someone had an interesting point in one of the forums on another site. Amazon has a ton more Blu-ray discs (total discs, not individual titles) than HD DVD discs in stock. Yet they're also selling a lot more Blu-ray discs. So for some reason, they don't have many HD DVD discs coming into the Amazon warehouse. But one of the arguments for HD DVD was that it was supposed to be a lot easier to manufacture, so they should be able to flood the market with them easily. Where are all the discs that should be coming off the HD DVD production lines?
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  • Reply 1063 of 4650
    onlookeronlooker Posts: 5,252member
    They have few that are still making them because Blu-Ray won maybe?
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  • Reply 1064 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by onlooker View Post


    They have few that are still making them because Blu-Ray won maybe?



    won what?
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  • Reply 1065 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,070member
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    Originally Posted by onlooker View Post


    They have few that are still making them because Blu-Ray won maybe?



    indeed.
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  • Reply 1066 of 4650
    northgatenorthgate Posts: 4,461member
    SDW, I thought you had a problem with fanboy gloating?
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  • Reply 1067 of 4650
    Interesting front page article today on AI.

    http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2574



    One wonders if it's the start of a trend or just wishful thinking on the part of the Blu-ray forum. The link to Alison Casey's article is also interesting in that in her thinking it's going to take 5 years for an HD format to surplant SD_DVD.
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  • Reply 1068 of 4650
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    I think it's wishful thinking on the part of the BDA that they hope to use to jumpstart a trend.
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  • Reply 1069 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Samsung has joined the HD DVD group



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    Petit coup de booster pour ceux qui ont pris le risque de franchir le pas de la HD et plus spécifiquement du HD DVD, sachez qu'une conférence de presse du groupe de promotion Européen du HD DVD (alliance de constructeurs comme TOSHIBA, MICROSOFT et d'éditeurs vidéo tels qu'UNIVERSAL, STUDIO CANAL etc) vient d'avoir lieu au CeBIT.



    Le résultat affiche de beaux espoirs avec l'annonce de l'arrivée prochaine (en mai 2007) d'un nouveau lecteur de moyenne gamme TOSHIBA, le HD EP10 (sortie HDMI 1.2a en 1080p, positionné Ã* 699Â?), l'annonce de SAMSUNG rejoignant le groupe (et donc produisant désormais aussi des HD DVD) et surtout le fait qu'une 100taine de titres seront disponibles en HD DVD en Europe d'ici la fin du premier trimestre 2007.

    Plus de 600 titres HD DVD sont attendus d'ici NOEL prochain Ã* travers l'Europe... Ã* rajouter au catalogue déjÃ* accessible aux USA !

    De plus, l'interactivité iHD devrait être de plus en plus sollicitée (ex MIAMI VICE U-Control, exclusivité US) ainsi que la connexion internet pour des synchronisations ou uploads de contenus interactifs.



    L'optimisme est donc au beau fixe, surtout que les chiffres de vente softs sont plutôt bons en Europe.

    Malgré tout, il faut attendre l'arrivée de la PS3 et la sortie des titres BD d'éditeurs comme DISNEY ou autres pour savoir si cette tendance continuera ou pas...





    Looks like there's trouble in BDA paradise.
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  • Reply 1070 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,070member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Northgate View Post


    SDW, I thought you had a problem with fanboy gloating?



    Just having some fun.
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  • Reply 1071 of 4650
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Samsung has joined the HD DVD group



    Looks like there's trouble in BDA paradise.



    Good for Samsung. Too bad I swore off all Samsung products after they decided to screw me on three rebates by using fake rejection reasons. They will never get so much as one more cent from me, unless it's already incorporated into some other product I'm buying from another company. Besides, what's the difference? They've already made the $1200 "universal" player, so how much of a stretch is it to join the HD DVD group so they can finally get the menus to work properly on it?
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  • Reply 1072 of 4650
    kupan787kupan787 Posts: 586member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post


    Besides, what's the difference? They've already made the $1200 "universal" player, so how much of a stretch is it to join the HD DVD group so they can finally get the menus to work properly on it?



    I think you might be confusing Samsung with LG. The Samsung "universal" player is still just rumored. The LG universal player is selling for $1200, and has no HDi interactivity.
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  • Reply 1073 of 4650
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    You're right. Still, Samsung can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned thanks to their poor business practices. I've gotten plenty of rebates over the years and no refusals, and when one company alone decides to refuse $100 worth on made-up reasons (no receipt PLUS wrong retailer PLUS out of rebate period on the same refusal), they're obviously out to screw the consumer.
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  • Reply 1074 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10069315



    Looks like the rumors of HD DVD price cuts are coming April 1st. OneCall has the new MSRP



    HD-A2= $399

    HD-A20=$499

    HD-XA2=$799



    I'll be buying mine from Value Electronics and I'll get 2 free movies, HDMI cable and free shipping in addition to the 5 move mail in form.
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  • Reply 1075 of 4650
    northgatenorthgate Posts: 4,461member
    Ah, yes, the great rebate game!



    1) It allows the product to be advertised cheaper.



    2) It allows the reseller to receive full price on the sale. Great for quarterly results.



    3) It allows the manufacturer to receive full price on wholesale. Great for quarterly results.



    And 80% of all rebates go uncollected. Either the vast majority of consumers don't/forget to send them in or they're rejected for a variety of absurd reasons.
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  • Reply 1076 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10069315



    Looks like the rumors of HD DVD price cuts are coming April 1st. OneCall has the new MSRP



    HD-A2= $399

    HD-A20=$499

    HD-XA2=$799



    I'll be buying mine from Value Electronics and I'll get 2 free movies, HDMI cable and free shipping in addition to the 5 move mail in form.





    Well.... looks like Toshiba's starting the price war first... this is good thing for everyone, even for the BD supporter. The key street price of $299 will soon be reached, which is not a bad price even for just a decent upconverting sd dvd player.



    The street price within two months will possibly be at:



    HD-A2= $299

    HD-A20=$399

    HD-XA2=$599 (it's already at this price at amazon with free shipping)



    Well... it gives me no choice but to go dual format all the way........ SD and HD-DVD only for me and will be picking up HD-XA2. I place my XA1 in the bedroom or give it away. I bought SD version of Pirates & Casino Royal.... I'm sure it will look great upconverted on the HD-XA2 REON HQV chip.
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  • Reply 1077 of 4650
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
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    Originally Posted by Macintosh_Next View Post


    I hope you mean hybrid disks -- a disk that is both Blu-Ray and HD DVD -- because from what I understand, thats the whole reason WB is making that "hybrid disk"....because Sony has made it illegal to make a player that does both.



    BS. LG has a hybrid player - even with an official Blu-ray logo on it.
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  • Reply 1078 of 4650
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    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    I'll be buying mine from Value Electronics and I'll get 2 free movies, HDMI cable and free shipping in addition to the 5 move mail in form.



    The problem with the Toshiba rebate is that their five-free-movies offer is the same lame collection from which you previously could select three. Three movies which, by the way, I have still not received, and I sent in my form in December! (Value Electronics threw their two discs into the box.)



    That being said, with prices coming down, it's tempting to pick up a second player later this year to use in my bedroom. The TV in there has HDMI so I could replace my current upconverting SD player. Hmmm...
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  • Reply 1079 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    BrunoBruin



    I know I heard fulfillment is slow which sucks but the movies that I can order are decent but I can wait for them. I'm looking at



    Casablanca- 5 Start video quality and a classic

    We Were Soldiers- underrated war flick actually

    Seabiscuit- Just a solid movie that I enjoyed

    Sky Captain -I think I'll enjoy this over The Four Brothers and Lara Croft Tombraider

    The Rundown- Never seen it
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  • Reply 1080 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10069315



    Looks like the rumors of HD DVD price cuts are coming April 1st. OneCall has the new MSRP



    HD-A2= $399

    HD-A20=$499

    HD-XA2=$799



    I'll be buying mine from Value Electronics and I'll get 2 free movies, HDMI cable and free shipping in addition to the 5 move mail in form.



    Nah, one can wait for a PS3 price cut and get the best of both worlds--gaming and high-def movies in Full HD...



    PlayStation 3 price cut may be ahead



    http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/20/tech...ion=2007032009



    Quote:

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Japanese electronics giant Sony may cut the price of its PlayStation 3 by $100 worldwide in October, according to an analyst with Goldman Sachs.



    Yuji Fujimori wrote in a note Tuesday that lowering the cost of the game console, which competes with Microsoft's (Charts) XBox 360 and Nintendo's (Charts) Wii, will not undermine the unit's long-term profitability.



    The PS3, criticized by consumers and industry watchers for its high price, can cost up to $700, although the basic model retails for $499.



    "The PS3 price has long been cited as high," Fujimori wrote, noting that cutting the price of game consoles has historically quadrupled volumes.



    Fujimori sees simplification of design aiding PS3's profitability as well, noting Sony's (Charts) original PS began with 700 components and concluded with 200, while the PS2 started with 2,000 parts and finished with 600. The PS3 prototype had 4,000 components but now a shift to around 2,000 is in the pipeline.



    Earlier in March, press reports in Japan said Sony is planning to introduce cheaper microprocessor chips for its PS3 to help bring down the price.



    PS3 for $399 and $499. Nice! Couple this with the cheaper 2nd generation Samsung, or the $499 1st generation Samsung, and the $599 2nd Generation Sony standalone, along with cheaper 2nd generation hardware from Pioneer, Philips, and Sharp and I think it is quite clear that cheap alternatives are quite prevalent with Blu-ray. Not to mention, you have more choice in the alternatives with the bigger CE backing.
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