I agree with him. When I walk through stores and I see good movies for $7 I wonder just how they expect to convince these consumers tha that same movie in HD is worth %300 more.
Wow! For the first time ever, I think, I agree with murch.
im sure plenty of "respected" people have said similar RE VHS to DVD in the past...
...
etc.
I don't agree. From the get-go it was almost universally acknowledge that there was a huge difference on image quality and that VHS was no longer "good-enough". The only thing that kept people sticking with VHS was that until recently VHS was the only way to record programs.
Wow! For the first time ever, I think, I agree with murch.
I'd say I agree with murch 99% of the time. He's usually pretty realistic about things. This is something I've been saying all along. It's not a war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray... it's a war between DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray. Just like there was a Audo DVD vs CD war. I don't see the HD formats blowing away DVD any time soon.
VHS and DVD were no brainers. Way better quality, tons of more features, no rewinding, smaller shelf space. The differences between DVD and HD formats is not as clear to consumers. Sure most of us can talk about specs, but in the end those don't mean much to a consumer unless they can really outweigh the price difference. I say chalk one up for DVD for 2006. I'm prepared to say chalk another up for DVD in 2007. We'll see after that.
From the get-go [DVD] was almost universally acknowledge that there was a huge difference on image quality and that VHS was no longer "good-enough". The only thing that kept people sticking with VHS was that until recently VHS was the only way to record programs.
This was my experience, completely. DVR finally killed off VHS tapes, and DVD image quality and small size has been a great selling point.
I guess they have a Spielberg movie or two that did well
You're talking about Dreamworks Animation.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Take a look at Dreamworks productions for the past decade. You'll barely find a handful with recognizable names. The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops. Dreamworks Animation is still Dreamworks. You'll currently find Katzenberg talking up how Shrek 3 is going to do great and how Madagascar is their new franchise with an upcoming sequel.
Either way, apple will continue to sit on the fence. Combo-drives are not yet here, so unless Apple decides to go with easily swappable drives or external ones, we're stuck with dvd.
I'm betting the same reason goes for appletv, apart from the itunes-the-world argument, that is.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Take a look at Dreamworks productions for the past decade. You'll barely find a handful with recognizable names. The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops. Dreamworks Animation is still Dreamworks. You'll currently find Katzenberg talking up how Shrek 3 is going to do great and how Madagascar is their new franchise with an upcoming sequel.
You can say that about nearly any studio. Dreamworks has been behind:
I agree with him. When I walk through stores and I see good movies for $7 I wonder just how they expect to convince these consumers tha that same movie in HD is worth %300 more.
i remember buying DVDs for £25-30 (thats $50-60!!) even though the VHS was £5 ($10) i mean i thought this was the greatest thing.. the QUALITY.. now i cringe.. i could get 4 od 5 DVDs for that same money NOW... so im personally holding off the HiDef disc buying as long as i can.. but in principal the "new formats" are, as you imply up against the (now old) format of SD-DVD. {just as DVD was up against VHS}
i have most of the "classic" films i want, in a "good enough" quality, and , at the moment, there is very little i want to Re-Buy on HiDef
:-The Alien Quadrology ive been holding off getting on DVD in order to only "buy it once" on Hi-Def.
TOS-Remastered Star Trek i want (just wainting on it getting a BD release i Know i KNOW murch ) .. i already bought that on VHS!
i am a big Kubrick fan so i MAY eventually buy those on HiDef
that and one or two other "Classics", like the spaghetti westerns, godfather, Starwars (AGAIN! ) Terminator, and a few classic british movies.
after that its all new releases.. which to be honest, im highly unimpressed with, honestly the state of Hollywoods output is NOT getting my money of late! ..(Tallagady(sp?) nights... i mean come ON!)
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PART of the "upsale" appeal of the high capcity of the new discs and players is the hope thatt old (SD) TV shows will be able to pack whole seasons on one disc, im a fan of old TV shows... but then again... ive bought most of the things i want already.
THIS is the failing of both HiDef formats "for me" too little (or too much capacity ) too late!
Thanks for the listing, to help make a point im gonna use it
in MY opinion
Quote:
Saving Private Ryan -meh
Amistad -Pft
The Prince of Egypt -Wha? never heard of it
Galaxy Quest -LOVE that film, but sadly didnt get to see it in the cinema and didnt buy it on DVD (digital recording from the TV -MAY get it in HiDef)
Gladiator -Own it on DVD, no intention of bothering with it again
Chicken Run - great little film, "own it" via digi TV recording so wont buy
Almost Famous - Almost pointless
Cast Away - Definitely pointless
Shrek -again wouldnt buy, but recorded it off TV
A.I. - ok film ruined by spielberg (he finnished Kubricks film)
Band of Brothers -no thanks
Minority Report - meh, but own it from TV
The Road to Perdition - kinda interested in watching this, missed a recording from TV at Xmas.. so will just wait till its on again
The Ring - AHH! now this i WILL buy! but seriously, i think your intention was to show that a film studio does good work... but this is just a remake of an already great film.. which kinda makes your point fall down, at least in realation to this film..
Catch Me If You Can - not bad, wouldnt buy as.. you guessed it, i recorded it from TV
Seabiscuit - WHY?
House of Sand and Fog -really WHY?
Anchorman - do fancy seeing this some time, but wont be buying it
War of the Worlds - own it on DVD, gonna take some persuading for me to buy it again
Wallace and Gromit - curse of the wererabbit, yeah MAY buy that
Flags of Our Fathers - apparently crap
Letters from Iwo Jima - apparently different crap - and i LIKE eastwoods output!
thats a few films that are ok... the rest.. quite forgettable really
...mm.. i wonder will murch quote me and crow that these are all on BD and that the scant few films on HD-DVD are... or WILL be better.
to counter in advance let me say murch that, MY point is that there are very few films full stop. that i am bothered with on ANY release schedule... but BD having more studios.. leaves me with more options for seeing a film i WANT to buy
And how, I wonder, to these compare to the number of SD-DVDs sold in the same time period,
didnt someone post that netflix(?) posted 1% of their rentals were HiDef formats.. which accounted for 14,000 discs... so i know its not SALES, but expanding that up gets you 1,400,000 discs...ahh..memory fails me, was that a month? or a week?
still its not a LOT is it 1%... but then Apple plan on "only" getting 1% of the Phone market and we all think that would be good...
I seem to hear that a lot. Still made a lot of money and got Tom Hanks an Oscar nomination.
Which I will also never understood. I generally like Tom Hanks, but I thought his performance certainly added to the film's overall level of suckitude.
You can say that about nearly any studio. Dreamworks has been behind:
Saving Private Ryan- A bit slow at times but still a great movie esp for Home Theater
Amistad- Underrated. But who really wantes to see a movie about slaves? Tough subj
The Prince of Egypt- Not a bad animation. Biblical theme could turn some people off.
Galaxy Quest- Another underrated movie. Tony Shaloub and Sam Rockwell Kill in this film.
Gladiator- a freakin Classic nuff said.
Chicken Run- I haven't seen it.
Almost Famous- A decent movie and good vehicle for Kate Hudson. I'd own it on sale.
Cast Away- Wow a movie where the lead's antagonist is an island. Boring but groundbreaking.
Shrek- I'll admit I'm a huge Shrek fan. I don't even own them on DVD because I want a box set.
A.I.- I though it was a more of a thinking drama than Sci Fi. A lot of people didn't get this.
Band of Brothers- Cinematic Platinum and proof that excellent scripting and directing can obviate the need for any MEGA STAR casting.
Minority Report- Philip K. Dick at his best. I love it and own it.
The Road to Perdition- Another drama that requires thought. Excellent cinematography
The Ring- I like it. When I first heard the premise I rebuked it but it was filmed well
Catch Me If You Can- The movie that restored my faith in Leo after the horrible "Beach" movie.
Seabiscuit- I'm a fan..and I'll be getting this in HD. The extras are solid too.
House of Sand and Fog- Started watching it..got bored and stopped. I'll try again.
Anchorman- Brainless fun...I wouldn't buy it
War of the Worlds- I did like this one. It has a charm to it that I like.
Wallace and Gromit- Haven't seen it
Flags of Our Fathers- Will be blind buying this one. Eastwood generally delivers.
Letters from Iwo Jima- I might blind buy this one too.
That's a bit more than a handful.
I have no problems with any studio. Even Columbia, which I tend not to like many of their movies, has some gems that I really like. I also like a lot of independant studios and I plan to start watching many more foreign films. The lack of any region encoding in HD DVD makes falling for a foreign film easier because it'll play.
Thanks for the listing, to help make a point im gonna use it
in MY opinion
thats a few films that are ok... the rest.. quite forgettable really
...mm.. i wonder will murch quote me and crow that these are all on BD and that the scant few films on HD-DVD are... or WILL be better.
to counter in advance let me say murch that, MY point is that there are very few films full stop. that i am bothered with on ANY release schedule... but BD having more studios.. leaves me with more options for seeing a film i WANT to buy
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
thats a matter of opinion
but sorry.. i thought raw numbers were now frowned upon on this thread
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
Basically. There are quite a few Oscar and Golden Globes nominations in that group.
Chicken Run is freaking brilliant, by the way. Wallace and Gromit too.
Not really. Critical success is objectively measured by awards. Box office success is another objective measure.
And yet the two are usually mutually exclusive, especially in Dreamworks' case. Look at Flags of Our Fathers -- awards but no profit. Anchorman -- profit but no respectable awards. I happen to like quite a few Dreamworks movies like Galaxy Quest, The Terminal, Cast Away, Catch Me If You Can, Deep Impact. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that many of them did poorly.
So how about looking at the full list rather than a cherry-picked few? You want high profile flops? Try Sinbad. The Last Castle. The Island. Stepford Wives. Lucky Numbers. Bagger Vance. The Time Machine. Spielberg's own A.I. and Munich. Or the biggest flop they've had in years, Flushed Away. None of those movies swung to a profit even after DVD sales.
Sunk without a trace? Try Envy. Curse of the Jade Scorpion. House of Sand and Fog. Surviving Christmas. Hollywood Ending. In Dreams. Strange Parallel. Tons more but I don't want to type them all.
And for anyone who says Katzenberg should be judged by all of Dreamworks, he made his name at Disney as the exec with the Midas touch in cartoons. But his record post-Disney has been mixed at best and certainly not flattering with Flushed Away, with many financial headlines saying that flick alone flushed away all their profits.
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Katzenberg from Dreamworks says no winner in War
I agree with him. When I walk through stores and I see good movies for $7 I wonder just how they expect to convince these consumers tha that same movie in HD is worth %300 more.
Wow! For the first time ever, I think, I agree with murch.
im sure plenty of "respected" people have said similar RE VHS to DVD in the past...
...
etc.
I don't agree. From the get-go it was almost universally acknowledge that there was a huge difference on image quality and that VHS was no longer "good-enough". The only thing that kept people sticking with VHS was that until recently VHS was the only way to record programs.
Wow! For the first time ever, I think, I agree with murch.
I'd say I agree with murch 99% of the time. He's usually pretty realistic about things. This is something I've been saying all along. It's not a war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray... it's a war between DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray. Just like there was a Audo DVD vs CD war. I don't see the HD formats blowing away DVD any time soon.
VHS and DVD were no brainers. Way better quality, tons of more features, no rewinding, smaller shelf space. The differences between DVD and HD formats is not as clear to consumers. Sure most of us can talk about specs, but in the end those don't mean much to a consumer unless they can really outweigh the price difference. I say chalk one up for DVD for 2006. I'm prepared to say chalk another up for DVD in 2007. We'll see after that.
From the get-go [DVD] was almost universally acknowledge that there was a huge difference on image quality and that VHS was no longer "good-enough". The only thing that kept people sticking with VHS was that until recently VHS was the only way to record programs.
This was my experience, completely. DVR finally killed off VHS tapes, and DVD image quality and small size has been a great selling point.
I guess they have a Spielberg movie or two that did well
You're talking about Dreamworks Animation.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Take a look at Dreamworks productions for the past decade. You'll barely find a handful with recognizable names. The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops. Dreamworks Animation is still Dreamworks. You'll currently find Katzenberg talking up how Shrek 3 is going to do great and how Madagascar is their new franchise with an upcoming sequel.
I'm betting the same reason goes for appletv, apart from the itunes-the-world argument, that is.
No choice made until there is a clear winner.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Take a look at Dreamworks productions for the past decade. You'll barely find a handful with recognizable names. The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops. Dreamworks Animation is still Dreamworks. You'll currently find Katzenberg talking up how Shrek 3 is going to do great and how Madagascar is their new franchise with an upcoming sequel.
You can say that about nearly any studio. Dreamworks has been behind:
Saving Private Ryan
Amistad
The Prince of Egypt
Galaxy Quest
Gladiator
Chicken Run
Almost Famous
Cast Away
Shrek
A.I.
Band of Brothers
Minority Report
The Road to Perdition
The Ring
Catch Me If You Can
Seabiscuit
House of Sand and Fog
Anchorman
War of the Worlds
Wallace and Gromit
Flags of Our Fathers
Letters from Iwo Jima
That's a bit more than a handful.
Wilson!
God, did I hate Cast Away. What a waste of 2.5 hours of my life.
Wilson!
The trailer to the movie gave away the whole plot. My wife would also say that you must not like a "love story" movie.
God, did I hate Cast Away. What a waste of 2.5 hours of my life.
Wilson!
I seem to hear that a lot. Still made a lot of money and got Tom Hanks an Oscar nomination.
Katzenberg from Dreamworks says no winner in War
I agree with him. When I walk through stores and I see good movies for $7 I wonder just how they expect to convince these consumers tha that same movie in HD is worth %300 more.
i remember buying DVDs for £25-30 (thats $50-60!!) even though the VHS was £5 ($10) i mean i thought this was the greatest thing.. the QUALITY.. now i cringe.. i could get 4 od 5 DVDs for that same money NOW... so im personally holding off the HiDef disc buying as long as i can.. but in principal the "new formats" are, as you imply up against the (now old) format of SD-DVD. {just as DVD was up against VHS}
i have most of the "classic" films i want, in a "good enough" quality, and , at the moment, there is very little i want to Re-Buy on HiDef
:-The Alien Quadrology ive been holding off getting on DVD in order to only "buy it once" on Hi-Def.
TOS-Remastered Star Trek i want (just wainting on it getting a BD release
i am a big Kubrick fan so i MAY eventually buy those on HiDef
that and one or two other "Classics", like the spaghetti westerns, godfather, Starwars (AGAIN!
after that its all new releases.. which to be honest, im highly unimpressed with, honestly the state of Hollywoods output is NOT getting my money of late! ..(Tallagady(sp?) nights... i mean come ON!)
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PART of the "upsale" appeal of the high capcity of the new discs and players is the hope thatt old (SD) TV shows will be able to pack whole seasons on one disc, im a fan of old TV shows... but then again... ive bought most of the things i want already.
THIS is the failing of both HiDef formats "for me" too little (or too much capacity
in MY opinion
Saving Private Ryan -meh
Amistad -Pft
The Prince of Egypt -Wha? never heard of it
Galaxy Quest -LOVE that film, but sadly didnt get to see it in the cinema and didnt buy it on DVD (digital recording from the TV -MAY get it in HiDef)
Gladiator -Own it on DVD, no intention of bothering with it again
Chicken Run - great little film, "own it" via digi TV recording so wont buy
Almost Famous - Almost pointless
Cast Away - Definitely pointless
Shrek -again wouldnt buy, but recorded it off TV
A.I. - ok film ruined by spielberg (he finnished Kubricks film)
Band of Brothers -no thanks
Minority Report - meh, but own it from TV
The Road to Perdition - kinda interested in watching this, missed a recording from TV at Xmas.. so will just wait till its on again
The Ring - AHH! now this i WILL buy! but seriously, i think your intention was to show that a film studio does good work... but this is just a remake of an already great film.. which kinda makes your point fall down, at least in realation to this film..
Catch Me If You Can - not bad, wouldnt buy as.. you guessed it, i recorded it from TV
Seabiscuit - WHY?
House of Sand and Fog -really WHY?
Anchorman - do fancy seeing this some time, but wont be buying it
War of the Worlds - own it on DVD, gonna take some persuading for me to buy it again
Wallace and Gromit - curse of the wererabbit, yeah MAY buy that
Flags of Our Fathers - apparently crap
Letters from Iwo Jima - apparently different crap - and i LIKE eastwoods output!
thats a few films that are ok... the rest.. quite forgettable really
...mm.. i wonder will murch quote me and crow that these are all on BD and that the scant few films on HD-DVD are... or WILL
to counter in advance
And how, I wonder, to these compare to the number of SD-DVDs sold in the same time period,
didnt someone post that netflix(?) posted 1% of their rentals were HiDef formats.. which accounted for 14,000 discs... so i know its not SALES, but expanding that up gets you 1,400,000 discs...ahh..memory fails me, was that a month? or a week?
still its not a LOT is it 1%... but then Apple plan on "only" getting 1% of the Phone market and we all think that would be good...
I seem to hear that a lot. Still made a lot of money and got Tom Hanks an Oscar nomination.
Which I will also never understood. I generally like Tom Hanks, but I thought his performance certainly added to the film's overall level of suckitude.
You can say that about nearly any studio. Dreamworks has been behind:
Saving Private Ryan- A bit slow at times but still a great movie esp for Home Theater
Amistad- Underrated. But who really wantes to see a movie about slaves? Tough subj
The Prince of Egypt- Not a bad animation. Biblical theme could turn some people off.
Galaxy Quest- Another underrated movie. Tony Shaloub and Sam Rockwell Kill in this film.
Gladiator- a freakin Classic nuff said.
Chicken Run- I haven't seen it.
Almost Famous- A decent movie and good vehicle for Kate Hudson. I'd own it on sale.
Cast Away- Wow a movie where the lead's antagonist is an island. Boring but groundbreaking.
Shrek- I'll admit I'm a huge Shrek fan. I don't even own them on DVD because I want a box set.
A.I.- I though it was a more of a thinking drama than Sci Fi. A lot of people didn't get this.
Band of Brothers- Cinematic Platinum and proof that excellent scripting and directing can obviate the need for any MEGA STAR casting.
Minority Report- Philip K. Dick at his best. I love it and own it.
The Road to Perdition- Another drama that requires thought. Excellent cinematography
The Ring- I like it. When I first heard the premise I rebuked it but it was filmed well
Catch Me If You Can- The movie that restored my faith in Leo after the horrible "Beach" movie.
Seabiscuit- I'm a fan..and I'll be getting this in HD. The extras are solid too.
House of Sand and Fog- Started watching it..got bored and stopped. I'll try again.
Anchorman- Brainless fun...I wouldn't buy it
War of the Worlds- I did like this one. It has a charm to it that I like.
Wallace and Gromit- Haven't seen it
Flags of Our Fathers- Will be blind buying this one. Eastwood generally delivers.
Letters from Iwo Jima- I might blind buy this one too.
That's a bit more than a handful.
I have no problems with any studio. Even Columbia, which I tend not to like many of their movies, has some gems that I really like. I also like a lot of independant studios and I plan to start watching many more foreign films. The lack of any region encoding in HD DVD makes falling for a foreign film easier because it'll play.
Thanks for the listing, to help make a point im gonna use it
in MY opinion
thats a few films that are ok... the rest.. quite forgettable really
...mm.. i wonder will murch quote me and crow that these are all on BD and that the scant few films on HD-DVD are... or WILL
to counter in advance
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
thats a matter of opinion
but sorry.. i thought raw numbers were now frowned upon on this thread
Uh..... the fact that you personally didn't care for or weren't aware of a roster of films doesn't remotely "make your point" that Dreamworks has released a "handful (of films) with recognizable names" or that "The rest sunk without a trace or at best were high profile flops."
Basically. There are quite a few Oscar and Golden Globes nominations in that group.
Chicken Run is freaking brilliant, by the way. Wallace and Gromit too.
thats a matter of opinion
Not really. Critical success is objectively measured by awards. Box office success is another objective measure.
Vinea
Not really. Critical success is objectively measured by awards. Box office success is another objective measure.
And yet the two are usually mutually exclusive, especially in Dreamworks' case. Look at Flags of Our Fathers -- awards but no profit. Anchorman -- profit but no respectable awards. I happen to like quite a few Dreamworks movies like Galaxy Quest, The Terminal, Cast Away, Catch Me If You Can, Deep Impact. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that many of them did poorly.
So how about looking at the full list rather than a cherry-picked few? You want high profile flops? Try Sinbad. The Last Castle. The Island. Stepford Wives. Lucky Numbers. Bagger Vance. The Time Machine. Spielberg's own A.I. and Munich. Or the biggest flop they've had in years, Flushed Away. None of those movies swung to a profit even after DVD sales.
Sunk without a trace? Try Envy. Curse of the Jade Scorpion. House of Sand and Fog. Surviving Christmas. Hollywood Ending. In Dreams. Strange Parallel. Tons more but I don't want to type them all.
And for anyone who says Katzenberg should be judged by all of Dreamworks, he made his name at Disney as the exec with the Midas touch in cartoons. But his record post-Disney has been mixed at best and certainly not flattering with Flushed Away, with many financial headlines saying that flick alone flushed away all their profits.