Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2007)

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  • Reply 1481 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    OK, you're just trolling now. First you imply it's a separate topic and then when I show you how it's related you claim that fact shows how great it was. Please. It was a stupid stunt to manipulate rankings...and it worked. People like you think that's great. In reality it's pathetic. I can think of better things to do than participate in a "Fight the Power-HD-DVD" buying day to make me feel better about the soon to be non-existant format I bought. Thanks.



    I thought you were the one that insisted on discussing this topic, so I just threw you few more bones to chew on. You may see this as some sort of cult, but that is an opinion of your own, and I don?t wish to change that. It just surprises me that you're accusing me of being a troll, however.



    Anyhow, I?m not really married to any of the hidef format. I just chose to support HD-DVD because I view it as more successful format to be for the home theater application. I?ve considered many times to go neutral, but it just didn?t make sense to me to do that and I?ve actually used my PS3 funds to get HD-XA2 instead.



    In time, when newer and successful future formats to surface again, I?d probably join that bandwagon as well, even if that may be super/ultra-blu-ray variation.
  • Reply 1482 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post


    It's still marketingspeak. It's only to appeal to the ignorant masses who think, "Oooo, it's 768p! Must be better than 720p." Do you really think additional 48 pixel rows make a big difference even with "upscaling"? And basically all LCDs are progressive. Honestly, if I were to use a 30" Apple Cinema Display or Dell 3007 to watch HDTV, would that make it a 1600p HDTV?





    Well... most 720p is either 1024x720 or 1280x720, and the newer 720p (768p) displays are 1366x768 . When compared to 1024x720, it may show a difference at 45+" screen viewing around 5-6 feet away, but I don't own such displays and some one else can tell you what they see. The 1080p's will make a difference when you feed good source material, though.



    If you're watching anything on 1600p screen, it would display everything in 1600p and your display will be 1600p HDTV, wouldn't it? When your 720p HDTV accepts 1080i/1080p source feed, your HDTV does not become 1080i/1080p HDTV. It will still be 720p display, wouldn't you agree?
  • Reply 1483 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Blu-ray sells stronger than HD DVD in March



    http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6435141.html



    Some interesting tidbits in here...



    Quote:

    Blu-ray Disc sales continued to outpace rival HD DVD in March, something HD DVD backers say will continue until later in the year when a wave of cheaper players and big summer sequels reach disc.



    Sony Pictures Home Entertainment?s Casino Royale was the top Blu-ray seller in the month, surpassing 59,000 units, according to studio sources. (Sony has said it shipped 100,000 units of the title to retail.)



    ...Blu-ray has been outpacing HD DVD sales by a more than two-to-one margin throughout the first quarter. However, Universal, the only studio releasing movies solely on HD DVD, hasn?t given any indication it plans to support both formats, and backers say HD DVD continues to gain ground. Retailers also continue to devote equal shelf space to both, though that could soon change.



    ?We think retailers will start to dedicate more space to Blu-ray, rather than split it half and half,? Sony worldwide president David Bishop said. ?That will further send a signal to consumers that it is the dominant format.?





    Changes in Q4



    Ken Graffeo, Universal executive VP of marketing and head of high-definition, said that until the fourth quarter, Blu-ray is likely to continue its sales lead, though HD DVD will still to grow. Consumer electronic sales are slow outside of the holiday season, and the summer?s blockbuster sequels will reach disc then, helping to drive new sales.



    ?Fourth quarter is really going to be a telling time,? he said.



    ...Warner has grabbed an exaggerated share of the high-def market by releasing movies in both formats.



    ?We?ve been asked, doesn?t it cost more to produce in both formats, which is so much the wrong question,? Warner president Ron Sanders said. ?If we were only releasing in Blu-ray, you would just off the top take 30% to 40% of revenue out of the titles. For us, it?s paying off nicely.?




    Whoa. Warner is basically saying that 60 to 70% of their revenue is coming from Blu-ray...and they've been giving the Blu-ray format the shaft since the beginning with releases like this missing from Blu-ray disc (while being on HD DVD)...



    Batman Begins

    Troy

    V for Vendetta

    Poseidon

    A Perfect Storm

    Terminator 3

    Casablanca

    Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire



    I think this is quite telling if I'm a studio. If I was Warner and gave the quality titles above its fair shake on Blu-ray, I could very well see the revenue of Blu-ray discs going upward to 80%- 90% for them, and seeing the HD DVD revenue dwindle to 10%-20%. Wow, amazing that Warner stated this given their lack of Blu-ray releases, it just goes to show you that the disc sales whether neutral or exclusive are quite telling in that they favor Blu-ray.
  • Reply 1484 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Doesn't mean a thing when Planet Earth is still selling as a Top 10 title for HD DVD.



    With 100.000 North American standalone players and good traction in Europe and recent info about China-Walmart-2 Million players.



    I think the writing is on the wall. Blu-ray isn't going to die but we certainly aren't going to get a victor in this battle. Samsung is only the first to bail from exclusivity.
  • Reply 1485 of 4650
    Fuh Yuan will make two million HD-DVD players for Walmart



    I think the link says more then I could say about this development.
  • Reply 1486 of 4650
    glossgloss Posts: 506member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Doesn't mean a thing when Planet Earth is still selling as a Top 10 title for HD DVD.



    So, overall sales don't mean a thing compared to one title selling better on Amazon?
  • Reply 1487 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by scavanger View Post


    Fuh Yuan will make two million HD-DVD players for Walmart



    I think the link says more then I could say about this development.



    Quite the development.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gloss View Post


    So, overall sales don't mean a thing compared to one title selling better on Amazon?



    The overall sales data is relatively poor. Nielsen shows a Blu-ray advantage throughout march but of course HD DVD had a paucity of new releases. April is another story with HD DVD offering more releases and voila guess who's led for most of the month in sales/pre-orders on Amazon. HD DVD.



    My points aren't made to illustrate some superiority of HD DVD over Blu-ray but to simply get it through peoples heads that this battle is not going to end quickly.
  • Reply 1488 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gloss View Post


    So, overall sales don't mean a thing compared to one title selling better on Amazon?



    Yup, in his world. Didn't you know a top 10 SALES RANK, and here I'm putting a purposeful emphasis on SALES RANK, trumps overall sales? Pffffft.



    Really, there's no refuting what was said--by a Warner exec nonehtheless--especially when you couple the fact about Warner not having released their big titles on Blu-ray yet.
  • Reply 1489 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Quite the development.



    Yes, quite the development...



    http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/20/t...er-on-the-way/



    Quote:

    Update: Pull back the reigns HD DVD fanboys, Akihabara now says that they've made a "huge mistake" with their translation: the original source called it "藍光 HD DVD and 藍光 means Blu-RAY." In other words, Blu-ray HD DVD. Huh? Word to the wise: since both formats use blue lasers, it's best to wait for an English press release before either camp celebrates.



    The link referenced in an earlier post by scavanger is turning out to be quite the confusing piece of text given mention of Sony and TDK who are exclusive Blu-ray backers. Ahh, well, time will tell as to what this article is talking about.



    Quote:

    The overall sales data is relatively poor. Nielsen shows a Blu-ray advantage throughout march but of course HD DVD had a paucity of new releases. April is another story with HD DVD offering more releases and voila guess who's led for most of the month in sales/pre-orders on Amazon. HD DVD.



    My points aren't made to illustrate some superiority of HD DVD over Blu-ray but to simply get it through peoples heads that this battle is not going to end quickly.



    Nielsen has shown a Blu-ray advantage throughout January, February, March, and April. April is NOT another story, I referenced the data from Nielsen not to long ago,...did you not take a gander? Let me refresh your memory, is shows Blu-ray discs taking up 70% of the market ending the week of April 15th.



    In regards to Amazon and your statement, "guess who's led for most of the month in sales/pre-orders on Amazon," I say voila take a look at this graph as it surely doesn't support what you've said...







    Notice how Blu-ray is on top most of the month...and how already after 4 days, HD DVD has fallen. It's great and all how you HD DVD supporters have caused a spike in SALES RANK, let me repeat, SALES RANK, on Amazon nonetheless, but it does very little in the overall sales if it cannot be sustained. Look for Blu-ray to maintain their OVER 2:1 ratio here on out, is all I can say.
  • Reply 1490 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    What are you talking about? The graph clearly shows that Blu-ray isn't maintaining anything close to a 2:1 ratio.



    The Sale Rank (as of this post) on eProductwars shows Top 10



    Blu-ray- 202

    HD DVD- 259



    Nowhere close to 2:1.
  • Reply 1491 of 4650
    glossgloss Posts: 506member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    What are you talking about? The graph clearly shows that Blu-ray isn't maintaining anything close to a 2:1 ratio.



    The Sale Rank (as of this post) on eProductwars shows Top 10



    Blu-ray- 202

    HD DVD- 259



    Nowhere close to 2:1.



    Forgive me, but you're both full of it. You can't determine 2:1 or NOT 2:1 based on sales rank.



    Sales rank does not translate directly to raw numbers. For all you know the difference between 8th and 16th place could be 50 copies. Or it could be 2000 copies. But we don't know. So quit trying to make it sound like a real number.
  • Reply 1492 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Yes that's true but one can still infer from the data present that a 2:1 sales ratio does not exist at this date.



    Frankly I'm not all that big on sales numbers of the discs. They fluctuate wildly with regard to what titles have been announced.



    Unline Marzetta7 I "do" plan to own both formats if I must so I'm not as wedded to proving my point. I've reached a point where I realize that the survivability of HD DVD is probable. The inertia will sustain the format.



    Now I need only wait for the perfect Universal player for me.
  • Reply 1493 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gloss View Post


    Forgive me, but you're both full of it. You can't determine 2:1 or NOT 2:1 based on sales rank.



    Sales rank does not translate directly to raw numbers. For all you know the difference between 8th and 16th place could be 50 copies. Or it could be 2000 copies. But we don't know. So quit trying to make it sound like a real number.



    Forgive me, but isn't that what I've been precisely saying with SALES RANK in big letters all this time? How may I make this more abundantly clear? I agree with you, and like I've said, is what I've been trying to scream here for the last couple of posts.



    My 2:1 ratio came from Nielson's overall numbers. And actually, it showed a ratio of greater than 2:1 in March.
  • Reply 1494 of 4650
    glossgloss Posts: 506member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Forgive me, but isn't that what I've been precisely saying with SALES RANK in big letters all this time? How may I make this more abundantly clear? I agree with you, and like I've said, is what I've been trying to scream here for the last couple of posts.



    My 2:1 ratio came from Nielson's overall numbers. And actually, it showed a ratio of greater than 2:1 in March.



    Sorry, was mostly focused at Murch.
  • Reply 1495 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gloss View Post


    Sorry, was mostly focused at Murch.



    Alrighty, no worries. I just wanted to be clear that's all.
  • Reply 1496 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    sigh



    Spitting out the same Dogma.



    Samung announces a movie to neutrality and says they'd make HD DVD only players.



    Blu-ray loses it's lead in movies in April yet regains it back slightly despite having at least a 4x surplus in total players.



    HD DVD is still much cheaper than Blu-ray and doesn't require changes to the specification that will obsolete 1st gen units



    And somehow I'm wrong for pointing out something that doesn't appeal to those looking through blue tinted glasses.



    I'm ok with that. I've supported HD DVD from the beginnng. The burden is on Blu-ray to beat HD DVD. They have advantages in content and total players and storage/bandwidth yet they still can't beat HD DVD. Classic underachiever.
  • Reply 1497 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Yes, quite the development...



    http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/20/t...er-on-the-way/







    The link referenced in an earlier post by scavanger is turning out to be quite the confusing piece of text given mention of Sony and TDK who are exclusive Blu-ray backers. Ahh, well, time will tell as to what this article is talking about.







    Nielsen has shown a Blu-ray advantage throughout January, February, March, and April. April is NOT another story, I referenced the data from Nielsen not to long ago,...did you not take a gander? Let me refresh your memory, is shows Blu-ray discs taking up 70% of the market ending the week of April 15th.



    In regards to Amazon and your statement, "guess who's led for most of the month in sales/pre-orders on Amazon," I say voila take a look at this graph as it surely doesn't support what you've said...







    Notice how Blu-ray is on top most of the month...and how already after 4 days, HD DVD has fallen. It's great and all how you HD DVD supporters have caused a spike in SALES RANK, let me repeat, SALES RANK, on Amazon nonetheless, but it does very little in the overall sales if it cannot be sustained. Look for Blu-ray to maintain their OVER 2:1 ratio here on out, is all I can say.



    Well.. Here is good summary of HD vs. BD sales history:





    Too bad, we can't see the graph from april 15th, 2006, but you get the picture. If I recall correctly, BD title release rush started in Dec. 2006 and HD title release drought started at Dec. 2006 as well and that is relfect on the historical graph, but only for short period of about three months.
  • Reply 1498 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    Well.. Here is good summary of HD vs. BD sales history:





    Too bad, we can't see the graph from april 15th, 2006, but you get the picture. If I recall correctly, BD title release rush started in Dec. 2006 and HD title release drought started at Dec. 2006 as well and that is relfect on the historical graph, but only for short period of about three months.



    Correction, this is a summary of BD vs. HD SALES RANK history, which pretty much doesn't amount to a whole lot. Overall sales is what counts, not sales ranking.
  • Reply 1499 of 4650
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Samsung is only the first to bail from exclusivity.



    Samsung has never been exclusive!!! They've been talking about this player since before any HD DVD or BD player existed.
  • Reply 1500 of 4650
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Yes that's true but one can still infer from the data present that a 2:1 sales ratio does not exist at this date.



    No you can't!!!



    You simply don't understand the meaning of a sales rank, do you?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Frankly I'm not all that big on sales numbers of the discs. They fluctuate wildly with regard to what titles have been announced.



    A few posts up you said that the Amazon sales rank was bad for HD DVD in March because of o releases. You can't trust that either then
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