Ummmm Bueller...you don't have an HD DVD player so the choice is easy to make. At AVS the neutral guys are already getting ready to queue up for the HD DVD version. Again...look for the HD DVD version to sell better. Just because you can't see the value in something doesn't mean someone else won't.
Well if you were actually coming with some sledgehammer arguments then my wall would crumble but instead you come with wet noodles that cut up easy and stirfry to a nice crispy texture.
When your argument is based around studio support you are hanging on by the most tenuous of advantages.
I'll have to remember this guarantee as Warner itself is saying they are doing 70% Blu-ray business and 30% HD DVD business in the high def market. I don't know where your confidence in HD DVDs 300 version outselling Blu-rays. But, I'll make sure you remember you said this...
/sarcasm Proof from an employee's Microsoft blog...how damning and quaint. /sarcasm
It's worse than that. This guy's job is specifically as a developer on HDi. Does anyone really think he's going to say "The stuff I develop is worse than the stuff from the competition" or "We're going to lose but I'll keep collecting my paycheck in the meantime"?
Oh, also in that Home Media Magazine above, there's an unconfirmed report that Sharp is readying a dual-format drive for laptops to be released in mid-June. It claims the retail price will be $100. That's got to be a typo.
Just because he's working on HDi does not invalidate his argument. It does however strengthen his comments regarding any commentary on HDi.
The Sharp product is a diode that is very small and works within the range of both. Clearly Home Media Magazine and Marzetta7 are good fits...both love to provide faulty information. :P
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
HD DVD sales data from the week that ended May 27:
1. The Ultimate Matrix Collection - 100.0
2. The Complete Matrix Trilogy - 77.79
3. Letters From Iwo Jima - 66.30
4. Planet Earth: The Complete Collection - 52.73
5. The 40-Year-Old Virgin - 26.96
Planet Earth never left the #1 spot on Amazon, but perhaps murch meant that HD DVD owners that shop at Amazon tend to be older and goes for the more mature titles, instead of saying that HD DVD owners tend to be older and goes for the more mature titles.
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
Actually, that last is still there in the comments. Clearly, Knowles and Murch are a good fit, to borrow a phrase. And to answer the everpresent question in his domain name, no, it ain't cool and he ain't cool. If I recall, this isn't the first time Knowles has been wildly wrong about something, not even remotely the first time.
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
Actually, this isn't impossible at all on Blu-ray, in fact, I believe there was an article quite some time ago stating the Blu-ray disc was the first to create a hybrid DVD/Blu-ray disc...
Hybrid Disc: Blu-ray Disc was the first format to introduce a hybrid disc that could hold both high and standard definition versions of a movie on a single disc. The Blu-ray Hybrid Disc is the more elegant solution as it holds both versions of the film on the same side of the disc, which provides for easy labeling and greater ease of use for consumers.
...it is simply that the BDA came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough of a market for that type of disc to warrant mass production. So far, it seems this is correct, seeing how HD DVD owns 30% of the market for 6 months running now with most being hybrid discs.
On another note, Murch, enlighten us on how Home Media Retail, aka Nielsen numbers are faulty information, and why somehow you think Amazon SALES RANKINGS provide a more true picture. I can't wait to hear the reasoning on this one...
TV Predictions has been contacted by a local retailer who has indicated that Sony will set the MSRP of their new Blu-ray player, the BDP-S300, at $499 which is $100 less than originally announced. This will place the player at the same price at its closest HD DVD competition, the Toshiba HD-A20, which effectively negates the cost advantage the format once had.
In combination with Panasonic's pricing of their player, the DMP-BD10A at $599, this shows how strong competition between Blu-ray manufacturers and a unified desire to make Blu-ray the victor is driving costs down for Blu-ray hardware. With Sony's player due out at the end of this month, it shouldn't be long before we see if this rumor is true.
Hmm, interesting rumor...the ramifications of which might effect PS3 pricing...good news all around, as I see many a more consumer trusting the Sony Brand than the Toshiba, especially at the same price point. If this rumor is true, you guys think we'd be seeing a $399 PS3 (seeing how it is subsidized)?...now that would be a huge bombshell come Sept/Oct!
That's a pretty good price, I'd really like to buy a laptop now from 2010, with big flash hard drive, BluRay burner, OLED display, and touchscreen keyboard.
Hmm, interesting rumor...the ramifications of which might effect PS3 pricing...good news all around, as I see many a more consumer trusting the Sony Brand than the Toshiba, especially at the same price point. If this rumor is true, you guys think we'd be seeing a $399 PS3 (seeing how it is subsidized)?...now that would be a huge bombshell come Sept/Oct!
I think Sony has no choice but lower the PS3 price. It's not selling in the states... I was waiting in line at 7:30am last Sunday in front of Target, somewhere in Tacoma WA to get wii. There were about 20 other people in line prior to store opened at 8:00am. I thought it was kinda ridiculous that I still needed to do that to get one to 6 months after the launch date(had to keep my promise to my nephew). Anyway, when I was in line to get the wii in the isle, I saw few PS3 locked behind the glass window. I asked the cashier how well those PS3's are moving out of the store and the person said that the last PS3 moved out was about a week ago. I was really surprised to hear it's doing so bad at the retails. I knew it wasn't outselling wii, but didn't know that it was neglected by most gamers other than hardcore PS3 fans. I'm sure the price drop will help, but $399 is still too much for a gaming console , both PS3 and Xbox360. I thought even the wii was too expensive... paid about $350 after getting the extra remote and nunchuck plus rip off WA sales tax.
Ummmm Bueller...you don't have an HD DVD player so the choice is easy to make. At AVS the neutral guys are already getting ready to queue up for the HD DVD version. Again...look for the HD DVD version to sell better. Just because you can't see the value in something doesn't mean someone else won't.
Well if you were actually coming with some sledgehammer arguments then my wall would crumble but instead you come with wet noodles that cut up easy and stirfry to a nice crispy texture.
When your argument is based around studio support you are hanging on by the most tenuous of advantages.
Uh, my argument is based around, mainly, the fact that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin and is not showing any signs of slowing. Thanks.
Is it BD-J 1.1/2.0 compliant? I don't think $499 BD standalone player will save BD, because most AV enthusiasts probably already own a PS3 as BD player. Now with upscaling enabled on PS3, most BD players become less of a deal at the price range. Most knowledgeable AV enthusiasts would not touch it unless it's fully complaint with BD-J and comes with lots of extra features at $499. However, $499 price may be little more appealing, but it's still out of the desirable price range for J6P.
Uh, my argument is based around, mainly, the fact that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin and is not showing any signs of slowing. Thanks.
Your arguments are based around your wild opinion that you support with bupkis amount of links or supporting data. At least Marzetta7 backs up his points with links and other data. You bring nothing. "Wide" is subjective. I'll concur with the belief that Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD 2:1 or roughly 60/40. That's to be expected when it enjoys a 4 studio advantage. What I disagee with is that Blu-ray is going to pull away. Fox has slowed their releases down to a trickle. Lionsgate has been crappy about releases. Thank God for Disney because very few other studios are delivering solid Tier 1 releases.
Perpetual motion forward. The Top 10 of discs on Amazon swings depending on who has the hotter release. If Blu-ray is in an unassailable position no amount of hot titles for HD DVD would usurp their position.
I gotta laugh everytime I see yet another Neilsen Videscan statistic. Common sense dictates a 4 studio advantage is going to yield more disc sales. Perhaps I like rooting for the underdog expecially when the underdog has my best interests (ie lack of extra DRM and lower pricing) at heart.
I gotta laugh everytime I see yet another Neilsen Videscan statistic. Common sense dictates a 4 studio advantage is going to yield more disc sales. Perhaps I like rooting for the underdog expecially when the underdog has my best interests (ie lack of extra DRM and lower pricing) at heart.
I gotta laugh everytime someone says some large corporation has their best interests at heart whether it be Apple, Google, Sony or Toshiba. Toshiba? ROFL. Heck, I'm much more inclined to say that MS has my interests at heart more than some CE company. MS has screwed partners but rarely customers. Can't quite say the same of Sony.
Good, detailed article with their facts straight, unlike Harry Knowles. Some highlights:
(Harry Knowles) knows his movies and he is big-time plugged into the theatrical side of the business. He's entitled to his opinion, and I respect him for speaking his mind. But when it comes to the home video side, Harry's maybe a little out of his element. He seems to be rather new to the whole high-def disc thing. And unfortunately, he's got many of his facts wrong.
But we CANNOT join him in recommending the HD-DVD format to ANYONE, no matter how cheap.
We've been involved with the home video industry for ten years now. Way back in 1997, when most people didn't even know what DVD was, we were telling people it was going to be the biggest thing since the CD. We were having conversations with the Hollywood studios that first year, where even the most senior studio executives were telling us we were crazy to think DVD was ever going to be anything more than a niche format. But we were right then. We gave the world it's first look at Circuit City's Divx format, and then said it was going to fail. We were right about that too. We were right about the need for the studios to support DVD's anamorphic widescreen capability, to ensure the highest video quality possible at the time, and we lobbied them hard to do so. Here at The Bits, we interact on a daily basis with studio personnel at all levels, with authoring/technical staffers, with DVD producers, with filmmakers and with hardware manufacturers. So we're pretty good at having our finger on the pulse of the home video industry, and knowing what the trends are. And anyone who has read The Bits since we started will know that, over the years, we've been right about a LOT more things than we've been wrong. (So who knows more insiders, the guys at Digital Bits, or HMurchison?)
Our readers trust us to give it to them straight, and to help guide them through the confusing home video landscape in such a way that they don't end up wasting their money. HD-DVD is a great format technically, but its business model is an utter and complete disaster from which it will not recover.
Let's get back to that business model problem I mentioned a moment ago. It should come as a surprise to no one that Toshiba has been losing money on their HD-DVD players (as is typical for hardware of any new format in the first few years - BD manufacturers deal with this as well). But in the last couple of weeks, the company has been slashing prices dramatically and offering $100 rebates, effectively bringing the cost of the HD-A2 to $299. That seems like a great deal, and Harry certainly jumped on it. Hell, we wouldn't be surprised to see Toshiba slash down to $199 or even less by the holidays at this rate. But it means that Toshiba is losing even MORE money on HD-DVD hardware than they were before, which can't have a positive impact on their overall business. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call this a fire sale, but it sure smacks of desperation on Toshiba's part. But there's another, bigger problem with this as well. What other major HD-DVD manufacturer wants to compete with that?
The HD-DVD camp has long touted cheaper players as its big trump card, even going so far as to promote future super-cheap, off-brand models at CES this past January. But all this does is basically ensure that FEW OTHER MAJOR MANUFACTURERS WILL JOIN THE HD-DVD CAMP. Where's the business incentive to do so? If you can't make a profit, there's no point. Sure, LG and Samsung are making pricey combo players available that will play both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, but that's only because they know that a small enthusiast market will be willing to pay $1200+ for one. Neither has announced cheaper HD-DVD-only players to compete with Toshiba's and we think they're unlikely to do so.
So how do we foresee this format war playing out? Our prediction is that by this time next year, Universal will have gone format neutral, agreeing to support Blu-ray Disc in addition to HD-DVD. It could happen at CES in January 2008, it could even happen sooner. When that happens, and we do believe it's a matter of when and not if, this format war will effectively be over.
The bottom line remains the same: Any way we slice it, when we look at ALL the facts, we think Blu-ray Disc remains the best bet in this format war, and the safer bet for consumers. That's just the way we see it.
We simply CANNOT and WILL NOT recommend to our readers that they adopt a format that only has the full support of just a HANDFUL of major hardware manufacturers and ONLY A HANDFUL of the Hollywood studios - no matter how cheap the price - when a format of EQUAL quality and FAR GREATER studio and manufacturer support exists.
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Ummmm Bueller...you don't have an HD DVD player so the choice is easy to make. At AVS the neutral guys are already getting ready to queue up for the HD DVD version. Again...look for the HD DVD version to sell better. Just because you can't see the value in something doesn't mean someone else won't.
Well if you were actually coming with some sledgehammer arguments then my wall would crumble but instead you come with wet noodles that cut up easy and stirfry to a nice crispy texture.
When your argument is based around studio support you are hanging on by the most tenuous of advantages.
I'll have to remember this guarantee as Warner itself is saying they are doing 70% Blu-ray business and 30% HD DVD business in the high def market. I don't know where your confidence in HD DVDs 300 version outselling Blu-rays. But, I'll make sure you remember you said this...
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0307/index.php
Blu-ray has shot back up to 69% market share for last week. This is getting embarrasing for HD DVD.
/sarcasm Proof from an employee's Microsoft blog...how damning and quaint. /sarcasm
It's worse than that. This guy's job is specifically as a developer on HDi. Does anyone really think he's going to say "The stuff I develop is worse than the stuff from the competition" or "We're going to lose but I'll keep collecting my paycheck in the meantime"?
Oh, also in that Home Media Magazine above, there's an unconfirmed report that Sharp is readying a dual-format drive for laptops to be released in mid-June. It claims the retail price will be $100. That's got to be a typo.
Just because he's working on HDi does not invalidate his argument. It does however strengthen his comments regarding any commentary on HDi.
The Sharp product is a diode that is very small and works within the range of both. Clearly Home Media Magazine and Marzetta7 are good fits...both love to provide faulty information. :P
Harry Knowles of Aint It Cool News chooses HD DVD
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32838
"What made me go HD DVD?
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
HD DVD sales data from the week that ended May 27:
1. The Ultimate Matrix Collection - 100.0
2. The Complete Matrix Trilogy - 77.79
3. Letters From Iwo Jima - 66.30
4. Planet Earth: The Complete Collection - 52.73
5. The 40-Year-Old Virgin - 26.96
Planet Earth never left the #1 spot on Amazon, but perhaps murch meant that HD DVD owners that shop at Amazon tend to be older and goes for the more mature titles, instead of saying that HD DVD owners tend to be older and goes for the more mature titles.
"What made me go HD DVD?
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
Actually, that last is still there in the comments. Clearly, Knowles and Murch are a good fit, to borrow a phrase. And to answer the everpresent question in his domain name, no, it ain't cool and he ain't cool. If I recall, this isn't the first time Knowles has been wildly wrong about something, not even remotely the first time.
"What made me go HD DVD?
The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right."
And that is impossible on Blu-ray players
At least he removed the "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" BS.
Actually, this isn't impossible at all on Blu-ray, in fact, I believe there was an article quite some time ago stating the Blu-ray disc was the first to create a hybrid DVD/Blu-ray disc...
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-1...cle-14858.html
Hybrid Disc: Blu-ray Disc was the first format to introduce a hybrid disc that could hold both high and standard definition versions of a movie on a single disc. The Blu-ray Hybrid Disc is the more elegant solution as it holds both versions of the film on the same side of the disc, which provides for easy labeling and greater ease of use for consumers.
...it is simply that the BDA came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough of a market for that type of disc to warrant mass production. So far, it seems this is correct, seeing how HD DVD owns 30% of the market for 6 months running now with most being hybrid discs.
On another note, Murch, enlighten us on how Home Media Retail, aka Nielsen numbers are faulty information, and why somehow you think Amazon SALES RANKINGS provide a more true picture. I can't wait to hear the reasoning on this one...
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=230
Posted June 2, 2007 by Josh
TV Predictions has been contacted by a local retailer who has indicated that Sony will set the MSRP of their new Blu-ray player, the BDP-S300, at $499 which is $100 less than originally announced. This will place the player at the same price at its closest HD DVD competition, the Toshiba HD-A20, which effectively negates the cost advantage the format once had.
In combination with Panasonic's pricing of their player, the DMP-BD10A at $599, this shows how strong competition between Blu-ray manufacturers and a unified desire to make Blu-ray the victor is driving costs down for Blu-ray hardware. With Sony's player due out at the end of this month, it shouldn't be long before we see if this rumor is true.
Hmm, interesting rumor...the ramifications of which might effect PS3 pricing...good news all around, as I see many a more consumer trusting the Sony Brand than the Toshiba, especially at the same price point. If this rumor is true, you guys think we'd be seeing a $399 PS3 (seeing how it is subsidized)?...now that would be a huge bombshell come Sept/Oct!
Sony Lowers Player Prices?
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=230
That's a pretty good price, I'd really like to buy a laptop now from 2010, with big flash hard drive, BluRay burner, OLED display, and touchscreen keyboard.
Sony Lowers Player Prices?
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=230
Posted June 2, 2007 by Josh
Hmm, interesting rumor...the ramifications of which might effect PS3 pricing...good news all around, as I see many a more consumer trusting the Sony Brand than the Toshiba, especially at the same price point. If this rumor is true, you guys think we'd be seeing a $399 PS3 (seeing how it is subsidized)?...now that would be a huge bombshell come Sept/Oct!
I think Sony has no choice but lower the PS3 price. It's not selling in the states... I was waiting in line at 7:30am last Sunday in front of Target, somewhere in Tacoma WA to get wii. There were about 20 other people in line prior to store opened at 8:00am. I thought it was kinda ridiculous that I still needed to do that to get one to 6 months after the launch date(had to keep my promise to my nephew). Anyway, when I was in line to get the wii in the isle, I saw few PS3 locked behind the glass window. I asked the cashier how well those PS3's are moving out of the store and the person said that the last PS3 moved out was about a week ago. I was really surprised to hear it's doing so bad at the retails. I knew it wasn't outselling wii, but didn't know that it was neglected by most gamers other than hardcore PS3 fans. I'm sure the price drop will help, but $399 is still too much for a gaming console , both PS3 and Xbox360. I thought even the wii was too expensive... paid about $350 after getting the extra remote and nunchuck plus rip off WA sales tax.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pmM8YJY...0&I=158BDPS300
Ummmm Bueller...you don't have an HD DVD player so the choice is easy to make. At AVS the neutral guys are already getting ready to queue up for the HD DVD version. Again...look for the HD DVD version to sell better. Just because you can't see the value in something doesn't mean someone else won't.
Well if you were actually coming with some sledgehammer arguments then my wall would crumble but instead you come with wet noodles that cut up easy and stirfry to a nice crispy texture.
When your argument is based around studio support you are hanging on by the most tenuous of advantages.
Uh, my argument is based around, mainly, the fact that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin and is not showing any signs of slowing. Thanks.
Possible confirmation of $499 Sony player price...
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pmM8YJY...0&I=158BDPS300
Is it BD-J 1.1/2.0 compliant? I don't think $499 BD standalone player will save BD, because most AV enthusiasts probably already own a PS3 as BD player. Now with upscaling enabled on PS3, most BD players become less of a deal at the price range. Most knowledgeable AV enthusiasts would not touch it unless it's fully complaint with BD-J and comes with lots of extra features at $499. However, $499 price may be little more appealing, but it's still out of the desirable price range for J6P.
Uh, my argument is based around, mainly, the fact that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin and is not showing any signs of slowing. Thanks.
Your arguments are based around your wild opinion that you support with bupkis amount of links or supporting data. At least Marzetta7 backs up his points with links and other data. You bring nothing. "Wide" is subjective. I'll concur with the belief that Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD 2:1 or roughly 60/40. That's to be expected when it enjoys a 4 studio advantage. What I disagee with is that Blu-ray is going to pull away. Fox has slowed their releases down to a trickle. Lionsgate has been crappy about releases. Thank God for Disney because very few other studios are delivering solid Tier 1 releases.
What I disagee with is that Blu-ray is going to pull away.
What is pulling away to you? 90/10?
What is pulling away to you? 90/10?
Perpetual motion forward. The Top 10 of discs on Amazon swings depending on who has the hotter release. If Blu-ray is in an unassailable position no amount of hot titles for HD DVD would usurp their position.
I gotta laugh everytime I see yet another Neilsen Videscan statistic. Common sense dictates a 4 studio advantage is going to yield more disc sales. Perhaps I like rooting for the underdog expecially when the underdog has my best interests (ie lack of extra DRM and lower pricing) at heart.
I gotta laugh everytime I see yet another Neilsen Videscan statistic. Common sense dictates a 4 studio advantage is going to yield more disc sales. Perhaps I like rooting for the underdog expecially when the underdog has my best interests (ie lack of extra DRM and lower pricing) at heart.
I gotta laugh everytime someone says some large corporation has their best interests at heart whether it be Apple, Google, Sony or Toshiba. Toshiba? ROFL. Heck, I'm much more inclined to say that MS has my interests at heart more than some CE company. MS has screwed partners but rarely customers. Can't quite say the same of Sony.
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MS has screwed partners but rarely customers.
Good, detailed article with their facts straight, unlike Harry Knowles. Some highlights: