From what I could glean from the Knowledge Navigator video, I guesstimated that they were in the year 2013. 2010...2013...a lot can change in 3 years. If I told you in 2004 that the Mac would be moving to Intel processors, you would have said, "Nah." Looking at the upcoming text-to-speech tech in Leopard, it's getting much better, but no one really anticipated that as a feature even though looking back (hind sight 20/20) we should be expecting that stuff. I think the Knowledge Navigator stuff is hitting its target...which is scary considering that video and concept was 1987!
Oh, and one more thing, after the iPhone announcement, the changes to the notebook could be just as stunning. The rumors of LED-based LCD backlights seem a twinkle more realistic now, and the ability to use the display as a tablet may be misguided.
The actual "keyboard" may just in fact be another LCD on the base of the notebook that's the tablet. I've read that LED's are less power hungry than fluorescent backlights. If you combine this with the fact that the notebook that I am theorizing would technically have two LCDs, you can see why Apple would want to move to more energy conscious backlighting.
Consider that also there was the patent-application posting awhile back [link] about having a multiple input overlay for the notebook...such as being able to replace the keyboard input with one that's for piano keys, etc....and the fact that the Macbook introduced a new keyboard with keys that are flat - virtually going into the direction a LCD-touch-based keyboard would more closely align maybe telegraphing what's to come.
..or Steve Jobs has become so obsessed with low volume halo devices
I never knew phones were low volume, I could have sworn their was 1Billion mobile phones sold last year. And what's more, this one runs their operating system, you know the one they want people to see? "Man it's crazy.. this phone's OS kicks the crap out of the Windows OS I have on my PC at home! How is that even possible?""Because it's running a mobile version of Apple's Leopard operating system. You should really check out Apple's computers if you're not happy with your windows PC. Cause they rock!""Oh, really! I might just do that."What's more, Apple is putting more money into their retail business this year than they have in the last few years put together, so you wont probably wont have to go very far to buy the computer, and get great service too.
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig;
I'm not going to lie here, I am a little apprehensive about where Apple is headed.
Besides an aggressive attack on the mobile phone industry, it's quite clear they are headed in two other directions;
1. OS and computer market growth.
2. The living room, ala iTV, I mean Apple TV, Apple TV's with iTV built-in, and an array of sound systems for the cinema living room experience.
A lot of the functionality in the phone will surely make it's way into future Mac software too. SMS text will most definitely make its way into future versions of iChat. Why not be able to make a telephone call in iChat too? Why limit it to just messaging. If I want to call my friend on the phone from my computer, why not build the Skype abilities into OS X Leopard?.
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
Or you could just you know, use AIM and the OSCAR protocol. -_-
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
I was wondering about the statement SJ made about the iPhone automatically sensing wifi networks and switching to them when they are present: is this just for email & safari or could it work for VoIP as well?
And can this bluetooth and wifi iPhone be used as a VoIP phone at home or work? That alone could save you a ton of money on your monthly contracts.
I've read all the posts on this site and many others. Complaints and praises alike. I just wanted to make a couple statements and points.
With the iPhone's soul being OSX, the possibilities for software expansion and 3rd party widgets can make one's imagination run endlessly. The question is if Apple will allow such a thing. Everyone must remember that this is a software-based hardware device. Software being the primary role. That's was Steve's point was about the crappy keyboards on existing smart phones, not using the stylus, and the UI's being complicated and unfriendly. He's taken the Mac's minimalistic hardware design and then slapped their awesome OSX on it. Think about it... there's almost nothing they can't do with this device. It's completely touch operated. So you want X software on it? Ok, here ya go. You need Y software that uses this type of input? Ok, right here. There's only one problem on the initial release.
For those who say that RIM should be worried, you're dead wrong. I'm sorry, I love my macs, I'm not a crackberry addict, and I do believe that windows mobile 5 and palm have a lot to worry about, but not Blackberry. Why? Because the iPhone does NOT do what blackberry's are famous for and why people love them. Blackberry's are for the die-hard business person and the IT department that needs complete control over their mobile handsets. Yes, the iPhone will be push-IMAP (only with yahoo) and can do POP3, but that's it over the air. Blackberry's have push email AND wireless sync for tasks, contacts, calendar, memos, calls, games, documents... oh, it would have been easier to say.. everything. Not only that, through BES (blackberry enterprise server), a network admin can install, update, lock, and wipe phones without ever even putting their hands on it.
So, my point is, with the existing software implementation that Apple is supposedly releasing in June, it leaves a huge possible market out of the loop. I just switched to cingular because of better coverage and the blackberry Pearl. I'm a consultant that needs my contacts, calendar and stuff synced at all times, I use exchange and I have to have push-email with MY own company's email, not yahoo. When I saw the iPhone, I was like, holy crap, it's about time someone took the next leap in phones. And then I realized I wouldn't be able to jump on the bandwagon. Very disappointing. All they would have to do to rectify this is to release a blackberry connect or exchange sync connection and all the rest of us mobile business folks could join in the future!
So I'm mad at this point... not because of the great phone.. because my wife will be able to get one, and I can't justify one for myself!
I'm imagining editing on FCP, Pro Tools, Photoshop, After Effects, and even Word, etc. with a big touch screen instead of a mouse and keyboard, and it seems like it would work remarkably fast.
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
I'm imagining editing on FCP, Pro Tools, Photoshop, After Effects, and even Word, etc. with a big touch screen instead of a mouse and keyboard, and it seems like it would work remarkably fast.
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
well apple already denied the access to open ended apps for the phone...so thats a no but at least
he is offering apps period...Job's stated on newsweek that there will be plenty of apps on the phone and more to come on the first version, stated that third party companies will just simply have to go to jobs and have a sit down Q&A with them and make a non-buggy version for the iphone, im going to assume these will all be part of widgets...
I'm going to have to play the devil's advocate here. Maybe Steve's RDF is not as strong with me.
I don't want a touch interface for my desktop or my MacBook Pro or anything that is too big to hold in one hand for that matter. I'm not sure if some of the folks above have really thought through the mechanics of using a touch screen for hours at a time.
Say you have a big touch screen display located in the normal way, on a desktop. Try holding your arm up to it for a couple of hours. You are going to get really tired. Forget typing.
What if you have it in your lap angled upward at your face? That's certainly an improvement, however, you still will not be able to use it for long periods at a time.
Also, keyboards without tactile feedback are both harder to use and more physically painful in the long run.
I just don't see the Star Trek interface as being the way to go. I think a thought control interface is more likely to be where we are at by the time we are all flying around in spaceships.
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Originally Posted by frankie
I'm imagining editing on FCP, Pro Tools, Photoshop, After Effects, and even Word, etc. with a big touch screen instead of a mouse and keyboard, and it seems like it would work remarkably fast.
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
I'm going to have to play the devil's advocate here. Maybe Steve's RDF is not as strong with me.
I don't want a touch interface for my desktop or my MacBook Pro or anything that is too big to hold in one hand for that matter. I'm not sure if some of the folks above have really thought through the mechanics of using a touch screen for hours at a time.
Say you have a big touch screen display located in the normal way, on a desktop. Try holding your arm up to it for a couple of hours. You are going to get really tired. Forget typing.
What if you have it in your lap angled upward at your face? That's certainly an improvement, however, you still will not be able to use it for long periods at a time.
Also, keyboards without tactile feedback are both harder to use and more physically painful in the long run.
I just don't see the Star Trek interface as being the way to go. I think a thought control interface is more likely to be where we are at by the time we are all flying around in spaceships.
Where I see a touch screen working beautifully is in a collaborative environment, much easier to mark-up and dummy-up changes together on a large touchscreen.
For everyday use, I think it will be very hard to get people to give up their keyboards, mice and Wacom tablets. Although something like Cintiq from Wacom would be very nice if it were affordable. \
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The actual "keyboard" may just in fact be another LCD on the base of the notebook that's the tablet. I've read that LED's are less power hungry than fluorescent backlights. If you combine this with the fact that the notebook that I am theorizing would technically have two LCDs, you can see why Apple would want to move to more energy conscious backlighting.
Consider that also there was the patent-application posting awhile back [link] about having a multiple input overlay for the notebook...such as being able to replace the keyboard input with one that's for piano keys, etc....and the fact that the Macbook introduced a new keyboard with keys that are flat - virtually going into the direction a LCD-touch-based keyboard would more closely align maybe telegraphing what's to come.
We shall see.
Either Apple has a lot up it sleeve or..
Leopard.
..or Steve Jobs has become so obsessed with low volume halo devices
I never knew phones were low volume, I could have sworn their was 1Billion mobile phones sold last year. And what's more, this one runs their operating system, you know the one they want people to see? "Man it's crazy.. this phone's OS kicks the crap out of the Windows OS I have on my PC at home! How is that even possible?" "Because it's running a mobile version of Apple's Leopard operating system. You should really check out Apple's computers if you're not happy with your windows PC. Cause they rock!" "Oh, really! I might just do that." What's more, Apple is putting more money into their retail business this year than they have in the last few years put together, so you wont probably wont have to go very far to buy the computer, and get great service too.
I'm not going to lie here, I am a little apprehensive about where Apple is headed.
Besides an aggressive attack on the mobile phone industry, it's quite clear they are headed in two other directions;
1. OS and computer market growth.
2. The living room, ala iTV, I mean Apple TV, Apple TV's with iTV built-in, and an array of sound systems for the cinema living room experience.
A lot of the functionality in the phone will surely make it's way into future Mac software too. SMS text will most definitely make its way into future versions of iChat. Why not be able to make a telephone call in iChat too? Why limit it to just messaging. If I want to call my friend on the phone from my computer, why not build the Skype abilities into OS X Leopard?.
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
Or you could just you know, use AIM and the OSCAR protocol. -_-
Sebastian
All this will happen. iChat will become a true Voip client for the Mac. What's more Apple will release iChat for windows, and Windows iPhone users or Mac iPhone users will be able to talk to each other using iChat with or without the use of an iPhone. If the both of you had an iPhone you could use a wireless connection to you computer, and walk around your respective houses and talk for free using iChat's VioP technology from any location in your with your iPhones. If one of you had no iPhone, obviously that guy would be at their computer.
I was wondering about the statement SJ made about the iPhone automatically sensing wifi networks and switching to them when they are present: is this just for email & safari or could it work for VoIP as well?
And can this bluetooth and wifi iPhone be used as a VoIP phone at home or work? That alone could save you a ton of money on your monthly contracts.
With the iPhone's soul being OSX, the possibilities for software expansion and 3rd party widgets can make one's imagination run endlessly. The question is if Apple will allow such a thing. Everyone must remember that this is a software-based hardware device. Software being the primary role. That's was Steve's point was about the crappy keyboards on existing smart phones, not using the stylus, and the UI's being complicated and unfriendly. He's taken the Mac's minimalistic hardware design and then slapped their awesome OSX on it. Think about it... there's almost nothing they can't do with this device. It's completely touch operated. So you want X software on it? Ok, here ya go. You need Y software that uses this type of input? Ok, right here. There's only one problem on the initial release.
For those who say that RIM should be worried, you're dead wrong. I'm sorry, I love my macs, I'm not a crackberry addict, and I do believe that windows mobile 5 and palm have a lot to worry about, but not Blackberry. Why? Because the iPhone does NOT do what blackberry's are famous for and why people love them. Blackberry's are for the die-hard business person and the IT department that needs complete control over their mobile handsets. Yes, the iPhone will be push-IMAP (only with yahoo) and can do POP3, but that's it over the air. Blackberry's have push email AND wireless sync for tasks, contacts, calendar, memos, calls, games, documents... oh, it would have been easier to say.. everything. Not only that, through BES (blackberry enterprise server), a network admin can install, update, lock, and wipe phones without ever even putting their hands on it.
So, my point is, with the existing software implementation that Apple is supposedly releasing in June, it leaves a huge possible market out of the loop. I just switched to cingular because of better coverage and the blackberry Pearl. I'm a consultant that needs my contacts, calendar and stuff synced at all times, I use exchange and I have to have push-email with MY own company's email, not yahoo. When I saw the iPhone, I was like, holy crap, it's about time someone took the next leap in phones. And then I realized I wouldn't be able to jump on the bandwagon. Very disappointing. All they would have to do to rectify this is to release a blackberry connect or exchange sync connection and all the rest of us mobile business folks could join in the future!
So I'm mad at this point... not because of the great phone.. because my wife will be able to get one, and I can't justify one for myself!
Milo
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
This could be where we are headed...?
Frank
I'm imagining editing on FCP, Pro Tools, Photoshop, After Effects, and even Word, etc. with a big touch screen instead of a mouse and keyboard, and it seems like it would work remarkably fast.
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
This could be where we are headed...?
Frank
Yes.. Linky
he is offering apps period...Job's stated on newsweek that there will be plenty of apps on the phone and more to come on the first version, stated that third party companies will just simply have to go to jobs and have a sit down Q&A with them and make a non-buggy version for the iphone, im going to assume these will all be part of widgets...
I don't want a touch interface for my desktop or my MacBook Pro or anything that is too big to hold in one hand for that matter. I'm not sure if some of the folks above have really thought through the mechanics of using a touch screen for hours at a time.
Say you have a big touch screen display located in the normal way, on a desktop. Try holding your arm up to it for a couple of hours. You are going to get really tired. Forget typing.
What if you have it in your lap angled upward at your face? That's certainly an improvement, however, you still will not be able to use it for long periods at a time.
Also, keyboards without tactile feedback are both harder to use and more physically painful in the long run.
I just don't see the Star Trek interface as being the way to go. I think a thought control interface is more likely to be where we are at by the time we are all flying around in spaceships.
I'm imagining editing on FCP, Pro Tools, Photoshop, After Effects, and even Word, etc. with a big touch screen instead of a mouse and keyboard, and it seems like it would work remarkably fast.
Kinda like a scaled down version of Minority Report on a single monitor.
I was also remembering back to a cool video I saw linked I believe from this board, where someone is making music and cool visuals using a big touch screen of some sort.
Does anyone else remember or know about this video or the company that produces it?
This could be where we are headed...?
Frank
I think a thought control interface is more likely to be where we are at by the time we are all flying around in spaceships.
I'll take two... of each!
I'm going to have to play the devil's advocate here. Maybe Steve's RDF is not as strong with me.
I don't want a touch interface for my desktop or my MacBook Pro or anything that is too big to hold in one hand for that matter. I'm not sure if some of the folks above have really thought through the mechanics of using a touch screen for hours at a time.
Say you have a big touch screen display located in the normal way, on a desktop. Try holding your arm up to it for a couple of hours. You are going to get really tired. Forget typing.
What if you have it in your lap angled upward at your face? That's certainly an improvement, however, you still will not be able to use it for long periods at a time.
Also, keyboards without tactile feedback are both harder to use and more physically painful in the long run.
I just don't see the Star Trek interface as being the way to go. I think a thought control interface is more likely to be where we are at by the time we are all flying around in spaceships.
Where I see a touch screen working beautifully is in a collaborative environment, much easier to mark-up and dummy-up changes together on a large touchscreen.
For everyday use, I think it will be very hard to get people to give up their keyboards, mice and Wacom tablets. Although something like Cintiq from Wacom would be very nice if it were affordable.