As someone who works in print all that horsepower is useless for PhotoShop and Illustrator.
So if the Insider is right about timing it to coincide with Adode's March launch of CS3, then what product is this aimed at? Because the last I read was that the Universal version of Production Studio wasn't going to be ready until mid-2007, which I would guess to mean June at the earliest.
What I meant was that even though Photoshop likes to have a lot of memory, there is no indication that the Mac Pro's additional potential memory capacity will be of much help because CS3 won't be 64-bit. Also, there is no indication that they are using anything like splitting images into different memory segments so that they can get around the 2GB limitation.
If Apple updates their encoders to simultaneously use more than two cores per encode session, then it could be very useful. Improved multiprocessor handing in the encoders + a near doubling of the CPU power available to the computer could mean that your encoding sessions could be done 3x faster. Rendering could be faster too.
Yes. The more the merrier. You can use a computer for much more than Photos. Photoshop is probably the least demanding of all the highend apps. I don't even think of it as one. Memory is where it's most hungry.
This sounds like Apples best workstation yet. I hope they have more surprises, and some other vendors.
I think you mistake my point.
I was wondering about the alleged timing that the Insider referred to...
I am quite aware of the requirements for PhotoShop. I was guessing that the high-end system was geared towards video and possibly 3D work...BUT, as I pointed out the Adobe apps aren't slated to be ready in March.
Hence my point about the timing and the false association with Adobe's expected roll out of CS3 in March.
What I meant was that even though Photoshop likes to have a lot of memory, there is no indication that the Mac Pro's additional potential memory capacity will be of much help because CS3 won't be 64-bit. Also, there is no indication that they are using anything like splitting images into different memory segments so that they can get around the 2GB limitation.
It's not something that is new either. The G5 holds 16GB of memory, and PS can't use it all, but it's not useless either because most people have more than just photoshop running. Many Pro's run a lot of apps concurently - Like PS, Painter, Zbrush and Maya along with other apps, Or Vue, Maya, Modo, Zbrush, - Maybe - Many times I've run FCP, Photoshop, DVDSP, iTunes, Motion, Safari, and AE. Either way. It looks like a step in the right direction for Apple.
It would be great if ATI have finally nailed down their general purpose DSP API for the new chips. (A version of SETI can be run on your ATi card) - Photoshop filters on your graphics card like stuff.
If Apple updates their encoders to simultaneously use more than two cores per encode session, then it could be very useful. Improved multiprocessor handing in the encoders + a near doubling of the CPU power available to the computer could mean that your encoding sessions could be done 3x faster. Rendering could be faster too.
It's very easy to add new threads to Qmaster. You wouldn't even need to update the software. I don't know about rendering within FCP though. That's where I'd want the speed boost so that I can work with high-res video as quickly as possible. I don't know whether to buy one of these straight away or wait for Intel's new processor at the end of the year that has SSE4, which is specifically designed to boost encoding and decoding. Decisions, decisions.
This sounds like Apples best workstation yet. I hope they have more surprises, and some other vendors.
LOL! What more could you want! I know what you're going to say.... SLI... but really it's either SLI or Crossfire. ATI and Apple have always been buddies for some unknown reason. Probably because NVidia hasn't been around as long... ie 3dfx being bought by nvidia.
Does help any and all who claim Apple is 10 years behind the rest of the computer industry with video cards?
Yes and no. If ATI announces their new card by shipping in apples, that gives apple the head up on graphcis cards, for a bit. Until the next one. Apple doesn't like to / can't keep up on the race. They announce machines and a month or two later there is a new card. Though usually nothing ground breaking. This time around was different. Apple was in a good position before the 8800gtx was released. The x1900xt that was a BTO was a VERY competitive card. Once the 8800gtx came out, it lost it's leg. And they have failed to have that card. Though I haven't seen any benches on the x2800xt, I'd imagine it beats up on the 8800gtx (and that's coming from an NVidia fan boy).
Apple's current Mac Pro has 2 auxiliary power connectors for graphics cards. Does anyone know if these connectors are the same as the PCI-E power connectors used in PC graphics cards?
...Apple, which has held a brawny update to its Mac Pro workstations within its labs since last fall, has reportedly deferred on a release until a time closer to a roll-out of Adobe's Intel-native Creative Suite 3.0 software bundle....
Heck it's the freakin least Apple can do for Adobe! Especially since we all saw how quickly Adobe was to step up to the plate when it came to the Mac-Intel transit.... errrrr never-mind
Apple's current Mac Pro has 2 auxiliary power connectors for graphics cards. Does anyone know if these connectors are the same as the PCI-E power connectors used in PC graphics cards?
I don't believe the mac pro aux plug ins are 6 pin compatible. That doesn't mean you can't use an adapter though. I saw someone do it in an NVidia 8800 thread on macrumors. Though here is a few problems for people to consider. A) Only 1 slot (the main one) runs at 16x. The others are 8x or 4x. Not sure which. The built in powersupply doesn't really have enough juice for more than 1 high end graphics card. According to the thread I was reading on macrumors. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=250851
Long story short, there are watts that are delivered through the bus, anything more than that has to be supplied through an external power source (ie different than the bus). So you can use the power supply or you can get a new thermaltake / fortron graphics card power supply.
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Hmmm, is this necessary for a video editor?
As someone who works in print all that horsepower is useless for PhotoShop and Illustrator.
So if the Insider is right about timing it to coincide with Adode's March launch of CS3, then what product is this aimed at? Because the last I read was that the Universal version of Production Studio wasn't going to be ready until mid-2007, which I would guess to mean June at the earliest.
Wow, you're right.
Steve, make those computers slower Godammit!
Hmmm, is this necessary for a video editor?
If Apple updates their encoders to simultaneously use more than two cores per encode session, then it could be very useful. Improved multiprocessor handing in the encoders + a near doubling of the CPU power available to the computer could mean that your encoding sessions could be done 3x faster. Rendering could be faster too.
Codename R600XTX and product name X2800XT. I mean really.
It should be codenamed R600, and the chip will be used for the X2800XT, XTX and XT2.
Yes. The more the merrier. You can use a computer for much more than Photos. Photoshop is probably the least demanding of all the highend apps. I don't even think of it as one. Memory is where it's most hungry.
This sounds like Apples best workstation yet. I hope they have more surprises, and some other vendors.
I think you mistake my point.
I was wondering about the alleged timing that the Insider referred to...
I am quite aware of the requirements for PhotoShop. I was guessing that the high-end system was geared towards video and possibly 3D work...BUT, as I pointed out the Adobe apps aren't slated to be ready in March.
Hence my point about the timing and the false association with Adobe's expected roll out of CS3 in March.
Computers can be used for more than photos????
What I meant was that even though Photoshop likes to have a lot of memory, there is no indication that the Mac Pro's additional potential memory capacity will be of much help because CS3 won't be 64-bit. Also, there is no indication that they are using anything like splitting images into different memory segments so that they can get around the 2GB limitation.
It's not something that is new either. The G5 holds 16GB of memory, and PS can't use it all, but it's not useless either because most people have more than just photoshop running. Many Pro's run a lot of apps concurently - Like PS, Painter, Zbrush and Maya along with other apps, Or Vue, Maya, Modo, Zbrush, - Maybe - Many times I've run FCP, Photoshop, DVDSP, iTunes, Motion, Safari, and AE. Either way. It looks like a step in the right direction for Apple.
Hmmm, is this necessary for a video editor?
Who cares?! I just want to see how this will speed up solitare!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!
Codename R600XTX and product name X2800XT. I mean really.
That's funny - I never caught that!
If Apple updates their encoders to simultaneously use more than two cores per encode session, then it could be very useful. Improved multiprocessor handing in the encoders + a near doubling of the CPU power available to the computer could mean that your encoding sessions could be done 3x faster. Rendering could be faster too.
It's very easy to add new threads to Qmaster. You wouldn't even need to update the software. I don't know about rendering within FCP though. That's where I'd want the speed boost so that I can work with high-res video as quickly as possible. I don't know whether to buy one of these straight away or wait for Intel's new processor at the end of the year that has SSE4, which is specifically designed to boost encoding and decoding. Decisions, decisions.
This sounds like Apples best workstation yet. I hope they have more surprises, and some other vendors.
LOL! What more could you want! I know what you're going to say.... SLI... but really it's either SLI or Crossfire. ATI and Apple have always been buddies for some unknown reason. Probably because NVidia hasn't been around as long... ie 3dfx being bought by nvidia.
Does help any and all who claim Apple is 10 years behind the rest of the computer industry with video cards?
Yes and no. If ATI announces their new card by shipping in apples, that gives apple the head up on graphcis cards, for a bit. Until the next one. Apple doesn't like to / can't keep up on the race. They announce machines and a month or two later there is a new card. Though usually nothing ground breaking. This time around was different. Apple was in a good position before the 8800gtx was released. The x1900xt that was a BTO was a VERY competitive card. Once the 8800gtx came out, it lost it's leg. And they have failed to have that card. Though I haven't seen any benches on the x2800xt, I'd imagine it beats up on the 8800gtx (and that's coming from an NVidia fan boy).
Interesting use of the British spelling of vapor as well. LOL.
What's wrong with the British way of spelling vapour, which also happens to be the Canadian way (...we like to keep up our British ways)?
No doubt in my mind this will happen. Only question is - how much $$?
The mind boggles.
Rich
In the pc world seeing this is on par with nvidia 8800 card then it would have to be at the very least 600.00 once apple puts their price tag on it.
Online a 8800 card can be had for around 580-600.00
...Apple, which has held a brawny update to its Mac Pro workstations within its labs since last fall, has reportedly deferred on a release until a time closer to a roll-out of Adobe's Intel-native Creative Suite 3.0 software bundle....
Heck it's the freakin least Apple can do for Adobe! Especially since we all saw how quickly Adobe was to step up to the plate when it came to the Mac-Intel transit.... errrrr never-mind
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Apple's current Mac Pro has 2 auxiliary power connectors for graphics cards. Does anyone know if these connectors are the same as the PCI-E power connectors used in PC graphics cards?
I don't believe the mac pro aux plug ins are 6 pin compatible. That doesn't mean you can't use an adapter though. I saw someone do it in an NVidia 8800 thread on macrumors. Though here is a few problems for people to consider. A) Only 1 slot (the main one) runs at 16x. The others are 8x or 4x. Not sure which.
Long story short, there are watts that are delivered through the bus, anything more than that has to be supplied through an external power source (ie different than the bus). So you can use the power supply or you can get a new thermaltake / fortron graphics card power supply.