Sorry, that wasn't very clear. What I meant was, if the default applications and the overall user interface are as polished as they seem, what is the purpose of 3rd party apps?
If the purpose is to provide functionality beyond phone calls, text messaging and web browsing (and everything else the iPhone can do), what functions do you need? Why not call for them to be included rather than 3rd party application support?
I don't think I've ever used a phone that can load 3rd party apps (and hence I really can't comment on the whole smartphone idea - but again I don't see the iPhone as a smart phone really) but what is it people are so desperate to load on?
I have a fair number of third party apps on my Treo 700p, and a number of them have survived from my Samsung i300, and later i330.
They are of a large variety. I have games of different sorts. Two book readers (it makes a GREAT bookreader), drawing program, technical programs for electronics and engineering, sophisticated reference programs. A program that turns it into a Tv controller. A scientific calculator. Program for all of the train, bus and subways in the Greater New York Area. The USDA nutrition database and program, etc.
I even have a program that shows one how to tie various tie knots!
So, yes, third party programs are a must on this machine.
The ability to use the Jobs hated stylus would be very helpful as well with many of these programs.
Office suite = Google Apps..... more than you'll ever need, and fast and light!
I have a treo 700w. I've never hated anything more in my entire life. I'm very tech savvy, and I know what I'm doing. But if this dang thing crashes one more time, or doesn't pick up a call when I answer it, or if one more app times out, or if one more key goes bad, or if my stylus flys out again just by answering the phone, or if the microphone screeches one more time while taking a video... well, then... I don't know WHAT i'm going to do with myself....short of holding my breath until Appl finally gets this whole thing right for the first time in human history.
I know it's not 'real OSX' running...but man, I can't imagine OSX crashing in such a controlled environment...
Heh heh. You should have bought the "p" instead. While no phone is perfect, the Windows version has been universally panned. For good reason?it stinks.
according to GregAlexander i may not be leaving telstra after all... i thought i heard it was GSM... well, we'll see. would be good if i can keep my i-mode email address...
The short answer is that NextG is a version of the 3GSM (the 3rd generation of GSM) running on a non-standard frequency that gives it extra range. The downside is that it requires non-standard handsets (for now).
The long answer is that there are 2 basic mobile technologies at play here
1) "CDMA" and it's evolution to "CDMA2000 1xEV"
2) "GSM" and it's evolution to "3GSM" aka "UMTS" or "W-CDMA"
(there are some other players... Japan has some unique setups etc).
CDMA2000, "CDMA", and 3GSM all use a CDMA based transmission system. 3GSM (including NextG) is well and truly an evolution of GSM, not "CDMA".
.... Naming the mobile system after the technology it uses becomes very confusing when other systems start using the same technology!
Greg
ps. using CDMA doesn't make your radio go stutter-crazy when you get a phone call. Both "CDMA" and "3GSM" are much more car-radio friendly
Blah blah blah. Apple's getting a little ahead of themselves here -- they're soooo sure the iPhone is gonna be such a big hit. Well let me tell you something: a smartphone is not a smartphone unless it is open to 3rd party applications.
There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0
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Originally Posted by scotty321
Otherwise, it's just an overpriced cell phone that nobody's going to pay for, with a minor amount of eye candy that nobody cares about. Not to mention the fact that it has a virtual keyboard which is 100 times harder to type on than a real keyboard.
So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty321
But most importantly is the lack of 3rd party apps, and Apple's insistence that it will not open up the iPhone for 3rd party apps.
Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty321
Unless I can run all of my 3rd-party business apps on the iPhone that I can currently run on my Treo 650, there will be NO SALE to me nor any of my clients. I give the iPhone a BIG THUMBS DOWN.
Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.
There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0
So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.
Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.
Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.
Palm + Microsoft + Verizon
God Save us!
Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high
That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.
It sucks he was so nonchalant about leaving 3G out of the iPhone. The only people that seem to be okay with it are him and Steve Jobs.
I don't give a shit about wi-fi. At home, school, or work I have a goddamn computer with a broadband connection. It's when I'm not at those place is when I need the iPhone's internet.
Fucking EDGE network...
So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
They said it was OSX and listed off a whole heap of features. Features they did NOT mention included Darwin and Carbon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple thinks of Darwin as just the underlying stuff that OSX runs on.
Darwin wasn't mentioned, but it's the basic stuff that everything else works on. Darwin is the reason OS X would be so portable and able to run on whatever CPU (most likely an ARM) that is in the iPhone. As for Carbon, I don't really give a damn about that thing. It was used in the transition from OS 9 to OS X, and Mac OS X was originally NeXTstep and the entire point of that was to be Object Oriented, not just in Application frameworks, but also in style. Ever notice how pretty much every one of your Apps works well with another, and the best examples include Mail, Growl, and Quicksilver.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
I do so enjoy this forum.
Hey, who're you calling snide, ya little noob!?
Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!
Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!
I know, I know.
But it got me to join in. This really is a fun forum.
As for my creds, I was the first product specialist at Farallon back in MacRecorder days. So I go back far enough to be able to smart off a little bit.
As for what I want, my personal pref is for a Video iPod/Wireless.... I could really care less about the phone. Hate the damned things.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
Comments
It doesn't have a PDF viewer either.
David Pogue already said their is one.
Sorry, that wasn't very clear. What I meant was, if the default applications and the overall user interface are as polished as they seem, what is the purpose of 3rd party apps?
If the purpose is to provide functionality beyond phone calls, text messaging and web browsing (and everything else the iPhone can do), what functions do you need? Why not call for them to be included rather than 3rd party application support?
I don't think I've ever used a phone that can load 3rd party apps (and hence I really can't comment on the whole smartphone idea - but again I don't see the iPhone as a smart phone really) but what is it people are so desperate to load on?
I have a fair number of third party apps on my Treo 700p, and a number of them have survived from my Samsung i300, and later i330.
They are of a large variety. I have games of different sorts. Two book readers (it makes a GREAT bookreader), drawing program, technical programs for electronics and engineering, sophisticated reference programs. A program that turns it into a Tv controller. A scientific calculator. Program for all of the train, bus and subways in the Greater New York Area. The USDA nutrition database and program, etc.
I even have a program that shows one how to tie various tie knots!
So, yes, third party programs are a must on this machine.
The ability to use the Jobs hated stylus would be very helpful as well with many of these programs.
Office suite = Google Apps..... more than you'll ever need, and fast and light!
I have a treo 700w. I've never hated anything more in my entire life. I'm very tech savvy, and I know what I'm doing. But if this dang thing crashes one more time, or doesn't pick up a call when I answer it, or if one more app times out, or if one more key goes bad, or if my stylus flys out again just by answering the phone, or if the microphone screeches one more time while taking a video... well, then... I don't know WHAT i'm going to do with myself....short of holding my breath until Appl finally gets this whole thing right for the first time in human history.
I know it's not 'real OSX' running...but man, I can't imagine OSX crashing in such a controlled environment...
Heh heh. You should have bought the "p" instead. While no phone is perfect, the Windows version has been universally panned. For good reason?it stinks.
according to GregAlexander i may not be leaving telstra after all... i thought i heard it was GSM... well, we'll see. would be good if i can keep my i-mode email address...
The short answer is that NextG is a version of the 3GSM (the 3rd generation of GSM) running on a non-standard frequency that gives it extra range. The downside is that it requires non-standard handsets (for now).
The long answer is that there are 2 basic mobile technologies at play here
1) "CDMA" and it's evolution to "CDMA2000 1xEV"
2) "GSM" and it's evolution to "3GSM" aka "UMTS" or "W-CDMA"
(there are some other players... Japan has some unique setups etc).
CDMA2000, "CDMA", and 3GSM all use a CDMA based transmission system. 3GSM (including NextG) is well and truly an evolution of GSM, not "CDMA".
.... Naming the mobile system after the technology it uses becomes very confusing when other systems start using the same technology!
Greg
ps. using CDMA doesn't make your radio go stutter-crazy when you get a phone call. Both "CDMA" and "3GSM" are much more car-radio friendly
Blah blah blah. Apple's getting a little ahead of themselves here -- they're soooo sure the iPhone is gonna be such a big hit. Well let me tell you something: a smartphone is not a smartphone unless it is open to 3rd party applications.
There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0
Otherwise, it's just an overpriced cell phone that nobody's going to pay for, with a minor amount of eye candy that nobody cares about. Not to mention the fact that it has a virtual keyboard which is 100 times harder to type on than a real keyboard.
So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.
But most importantly is the lack of 3rd party apps, and Apple's insistence that it will not open up the iPhone for 3rd party apps.
Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.
Unless I can run all of my 3rd-party business apps on the iPhone that I can currently run on my Treo 650, there will be NO SALE to me nor any of my clients. I give the iPhone a BIG THUMBS DOWN.
Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.
Palm + Microsoft + Verizon
God Save us!
There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0
So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.
Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.
Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.
Palm + Microsoft + Verizon
God Save us!
Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high
Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high
With all of his money, wouldn't you be?
With all of his money, wouldn't you be?
With so much money, wouldn't you be more picky with choosing your partners than he is? What a slut.
David Pogue already said their is one.
No he didn't.
Can it open Word and Excel documents? ?No. (Steve Jobs says it can open PDF files, though.)
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...ked-questions/
That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.
Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high
Looks like he has fake tan on his face too! Not enough sunshine Bill?
It sucks he was so nonchalant about leaving 3G out of the iPhone. The only people that seem to be okay with it are him and Steve Jobs.
I don't give a shit about wi-fi. At home, school, or work I have a goddamn computer with a broadband connection. It's when I'm not at those place is when I need the iPhone's internet.
Fucking EDGE network...
So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
This is silly, and dated.
He -- and the people that work for him -- should go back to business school. He might be surprised.
He's too busy being COO of Apple Inc.
Sebastian
What business apps are you looking for???
There will be
Calendar
Contacts
e-mail (great e-mail)
browser (great browser)
And, I've said this elsewhere, with Safari on the phone you have (will have soon - its committed to) docs.google.com so you have
Word
Excel
This is more than I will need.
Sebastian
They said it was OSX and listed off a whole heap of features. Features they did NOT mention included Darwin and Carbon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple thinks of Darwin as just the underlying stuff that OSX runs on.
Darwin wasn't mentioned, but it's the basic stuff that everything else works on. Darwin is the reason OS X would be so portable and able to run on whatever CPU (most likely an ARM) that is in the iPhone. As for Carbon, I don't really give a damn about that thing. It was used in the transition from OS 9 to OS X, and Mac OS X was originally NeXTstep and the entire point of that was to be Object Oriented, not just in Application frameworks, but also in style. Ever notice how pretty much every one of your Apps works well with another, and the best examples include Mail, Growl, and Quicksilver.
Sebastian
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
I do so enjoy this forum.
This is SO funny.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
I do so enjoy this forum.
Hey, who're you calling snide, ya little noob!?
Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!
Hey, who're you calling snide, ya little noob!?
Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!
I know, I know.
But it got me to join in. This really is a fun forum.
As for my creds, I was the first product specialist at Farallon back in MacRecorder days. So I go back far enough to be able to smart off a little bit.
As for what I want, my personal pref is for a Video iPod/Wireless.... I could really care less about the phone. Hate the damned things.
This is SO funny.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.
I do so enjoy this forum.
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Isn't that a picture of the The Family Guy?
Isn't that a picture of the The Family Guy?
It looks like Buddy Jesus from the movie Dogma.