So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.
I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.
For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.
What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.
That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.
Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
Apple has a problem with limiting the market, but if you only travel to San Francisco, you definitely won't need 3G once Google gets the WiFi network going.
I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.
I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.
For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.
What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.
1) Verizon and Apple didn't agree on Terms
2) Even if they did, Apple would only want one version of the Phone so everything would have to be built in
3) GSM is more widely used, for those in Japan, do you honestly think that Apple won't build 3G into the Japanese version (as much as they'll probably hate doing it) ???
How many of you actually use 3G or EDGE to really know the difference?
Wifi is actually better than both. New York is slowly improving its free municipal WiFi and I imagine that's what I would be using most with the iPhone.
And for reviewing on a phone PDF is just fine. I wouldn't really want to edit a presentation on a phone in any case. Minor edits to excel and word seem OK but I personally wouldn't do it.
Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.
And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).
Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.
And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).
Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.
Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.
Glad you agree re editing
I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.
What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.
Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?
Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?
I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.
What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.
Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?
Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?
Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.
Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.
I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!
I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.
The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.
I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!
I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.
Really? I've never really played with Windows Mobile for long enough. The last 3 years or so I've used Symbian phones. QuickOffice on Symbian doesn't seem to have any real problems opening, editing and writing Word, Excel and PowerPoint files although some of the more complex files get a little funky.
Yes, it's kind of painful on a 208x320 screen but when you have to, the ability to do it is really handy. The iPhone has a 320x480 screen so it'd be less painful.
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The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.
A proper PDF view would be very useful, not just viewing PDFs embedded in Safari or Mail where it's near impossible to navigate. A multitouch version of Preview.app would be cool. I've got Adobe's Acrobat Reader on my p910.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
I live outside Philly and 3G coverage is hit or miss, but I do have EDGE via my RAZR phone, I do not need that PCMCIA card from Verizon to get my laptop on the network when needed.
I say this much, you honest, and I would agree that most people are selfish and only want what is good for them.
But apple is a business and they have to put the money where most of the customers are. Face it GSM with EDGE will be around a long time, and the emerging 3G and WiMax will expand with time and we all know that Apple will have solutions in those spaces when it makes sense.
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So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
Looks like he has fake tan on his face too! Not enough sunshine Bill?
1. that is not the real Bill Gates, it's just a cardboard cut-out with a photoshoped tan and smile
2. that is a Bill Gates stand-in, a recent immigrant from Korea, during a press release rehearsal
So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.
At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.
Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.
But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.
I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.
For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.
What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.
No he didn't.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...ked-questions/
That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.
What more do you want? He said you can open PDFs.
Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
Apple has a problem with limiting the market, but if you only travel to San Francisco, you definitely won't need 3G once Google gets the WiFi network going.
Sebastian
I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.
I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.
For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.
What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.
1) Verizon and Apple didn't agree on Terms
2) Even if they did, Apple would only want one version of the Phone so everything would have to be built in
3) GSM is more widely used, for those in Japan, do you honestly think that Apple won't build 3G into the Japanese version (as much as they'll probably hate doing it) ???
Sebastian
Wifi is actually better than both. New York is slowly improving its free municipal WiFi and I imagine that's what I would be using most with the iPhone.
Sacramento would be nice...
Yep and never touch it. I've got Keynote
And for reviewing on a phone PDF is just fine. I wouldn't really want to edit a presentation on a phone in any case. Minor edits to excel and word seem OK but I personally wouldn't do it.
Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.
And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).
He's too busy being COO of Apple Inc.
Sebastian
Oh, I am sure. And, no doubt he's good at it too.
Just does not know a lot about business schools today, that is all.
True...but the only time I go to S.F. is for Giants and 49er games. Not really the best time to use the internet
Sacramento would be nice...
Doesn't San Francisco have wifi from Google?
Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.
And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).
Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.
Glad you agree re editing
Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.
Glad you agree re editing
I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.
What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.
Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?
Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?
I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.
What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.
Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?
Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?
Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.
Oh, I am sure. And, no doubt he's good at it too.
Just does not know a lot about business schools today, that is all.
Likely, that's a good thing. An MBA never made someone good at their job. It gives you the tools to use, that's all.
But, you either have ability, or you don't.
Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.
I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!
I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.
The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.
I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!
I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.
Really? I've never really played with Windows Mobile for long enough. The last 3 years or so I've used Symbian phones. QuickOffice on Symbian doesn't seem to have any real problems opening, editing and writing Word, Excel and PowerPoint files although some of the more complex files get a little funky.
Yes, it's kind of painful on a 208x320 screen but when you have to, the ability to do it is really handy. The iPhone has a 320x480 screen so it'd be less painful.
The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.
A proper PDF view would be very useful, not just viewing PDFs embedded in Safari or Mail where it's near impossible to navigate. A multitouch version of Preview.app would be cool. I've got Adobe's Acrobat Reader on my p910.
And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
I live outside Philly and 3G coverage is hit or miss, but I do have EDGE via my RAZR phone, I do not need that PCMCIA card from Verizon to get my laptop on the network when needed.
I say this much, you honest, and I would agree that most people are selfish and only want what is good for them.
But apple is a business and they have to put the money where most of the customers are. Face it GSM with EDGE will be around a long time, and the emerging 3G and WiMax will expand with time and we all know that Apple will have solutions in those spaces when it makes sense.