Of course; no device can have every "spec." But consider this: How many phones have 4 or 8 gigs standard - any? A 320X480 screen - any? Wifi - a few? The iPhone kicks ass on "specs" in comparison to other phones, and anyone who says otherwise just isn't being objective. And that's not even getting into the intangibles like its user interface, which is the real selling point anyway. Perhaps you're just jealous of us Yanks that you can't get one?
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
In a way I think the focus on specs is overdone. The success or failure of the iPhone will depend on two factors, IMO. Is it easy and enjoyable to use and is it reliable. While I would prefer 32gbs of storage it isn't a deal breaker for me. My greatest concern is ATT and their service.
In a way I think the focus on specs is overdone. The success or failure of the iPhone will depend on two factors, IMO. Is it easy and enjoyable to use and is it reliable. While I would prefer 32gbs of storage it isn't a deal breaker for me. My greatest concern is ATT and their service.
Same here, which is why I'm waiting on a 3G iPhone. I'll either be living in NYC or DC when that happens, so I know the service will be available.
Frankly, I'm glad it doesn't do 3G right now... can't afford the thing!!
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
You have to tell me what phone you're using now, because if it really makes the iPhone such a "lol" on specs - more than 8 gigs of memory, larger than 320X480 screen, superior touch-screen interface, works with iTunes, etc. - then I want to buy it from you.
If they wanted it in they would have done that in the first place, im sure they dont want people right of the jump asking for new things. Christ Jobs said its been 2 years in the making and if they havent put it in now ill bet they wont put it in period.
The fact is that as the list of have nots grow ever more for this phone its becoming more and more difficult for the OSX, UI and Coverflow alone to stand up to the competition.
The fact is that this phone will already be superceded in specs when its hits the shelves.
Things like no MMS or video recording are just a slap in the face
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use. To me having all of the above would make it a 'Toy' as opposed to having something that allows me to get what I want done faster and easier.
1) memory card - 8gigs is plenty
2) chatt app???? sms
3) voice dialing - this is the only one that I think could be critical but then again its easy for them to add if it really is
4) GPS - who cares I can read a map I've never use the one on my car - a waste of money for 99% of the time.
5) no Java or Flash - nothing could have made me happier. I dread (and avoid) web sites that depend on Java and click through 99% of Flash stuff as superfluous
6) MMS - email
Now the whole point is that there are many markets that have many different desires and needs. The dismissal of the iPhone because of lack of feature, vs consideration of the whole package, has become a waste of energy. I thought the four major reviews that are out are the best look about.
2. EDGE speed looks to suck as much or more than we thought.
3. Storage totally inadequate. 4GB? 8GB? That's a joke, Apple. I can put a few movies and some of my music. Not good enough.
4. The rush of users is going to overwhelm the system for activation and temporarily, usage. Just my opinion.
5. I have doubts about the first rev of a product from Apple. I've never bought one. Period.
6. No flash support.
7. No wireless sync
1. I have saved $50 out of each paycheck since January. I was forward looking about this. Plus, I am going to sell my Sidekick 3 for $100 on cragislist.
2. I have been using EDGE on my Sidekick for over a year, and it has been just fine. Not fast, but not 2 minutes slow. I have no problems surfing websites while waiting for a movie, or wiating for a table, etc. The kicker for me here is the WiFi on the iPhone that isn't on my sidekick.
3. I have a 5GB iPod, which I just filled up recently. 8GB, will be ok. Sure, I wish it was more, but I can live with 8GBs.
4. Activation, could suck. But I bet it wont be too bad. There have been large phone launches in the past (sure, maybe not as large), and things went ok. As far as useage...there are already hundreds of thousands using EDGE currently. ATT just upgraded their EDGE network, so I don't expect many problems at all.
5. I bought a Rev A 12" powerbook, 5GB iPod, G5, AppleTV, and have never had any issues. My sister has a rev A MacBook (as do two of my friends). My Dad has a rev A 20th aniversary Mac. Again, no issues. People that have issues with rev A are in the minority (a vocal one, but none the less). Plus, that is what 1 yr warenties are for.
6. If you mean flash in the browser, that can easily be upgraded. Plus Apple has already confirmed there will be many free software updates over the life of the iPhone. I fully expect flash to be one of them.
7. I used wireless sync with my AppleTV. It blows. Thank god I could hard wire it, because wireless is just not up to speed.
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There’s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
Haha, I love it. "no MMS, it's just a toy."
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Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use.
Yes, but any objective observer would have to agree that the iPhone is better than most phones on its feature list too. Any phone that has a feature that the current iPhone doesn't have - say, video recording - is going to fall way short on a long list of other features, like built-in memory, size of screen, iTunes integration, etc. Of course, that feature list makes it expensive too.
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
This is not an iPhone bashing thread, so let's clarify that right now. Overall it's going to be a great product. It just has some issues as far as I'm concerned. The speed is the paramount one. If it's faster than I expect, I may get one sooner rather than later.
But really.."no video recording" was the final straw? That's dumb. I could care less about that.
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In a way I think the focus on specs is overdone. The success or failure of the iPhone will depend on two factors, IMO. Is it easy and enjoyable to use and is it reliable. While I would prefer 32gbs of storage it isn't a deal breaker for me. My greatest concern is ATT and their service.
But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
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Same here, which is why I'm waiting on a 3G iPhone. I'll either be living in NYC or DC when that happens, so I know the service will be available.
Frankly, I'm glad it doesn't do 3G right now... can't afford the thing!!
If the speed was right and it had a few other improvements, I'd find the money.
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The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
It's going to be much more than a toy, but your list is spot on. The battery could be a serious issue. It's a $500-600 device. It should damn well have a replaceable battery.
A mem card slot doesn't do much for me. It's nice I guess, but not necessary.
The lack of a chat app is very surprising...
....as is its lack of support for MMS. That's a 2002 technology for the Christ's sake.
In fairness, third party apps will come, and fast.
Again though, if I really examine what's important to me, it's speed. I can live without chat and without MMS...easily. But the speed and storage issues (and no wireless sync) are bothersome.
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Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use. To me having all of the above would make it a 'Toy' as opposed to having something that allows me to get what I want done faster and easier.
1) memory card - 8gigs is plenty
2) chatt app???? sms
3) voice dialing - this is the only one that I think could be critical but then again its easy for them to add if it really is
4) GPS - who cares I can read a map I've never use the one on my car - a waste of money for 99% of the time.
5) no Java or Flash - nothing could have made me happier. I dread (and avoid) web sites that depend on Java and click through 99% of Flash stuff as superfluous
6) MMS - email
Now the whole point is that there are many markets that have many different desires and needs. The dismissal of the iPhone because of lack of feature, vs consideration of the whole package, has become a waste of energy. I thought the four major reviews that are out are the best look about.
First, I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not getting one. Now...
1. No, it's not. A high quality MPEG-4 feature can take 500-900MB. Then you have pictures, TV episodes, calendars, and contacts....and music. Even my small music collection is like 12-15GB.
2. Not the same. Jesus.
3. Easy to add does not equal "present." Not a deal breaker for me, but it's weird given that this has been around for at least 7 years.
4. I see your point...and you'll notice I didn't point it out. However, consider that we're talking about a premium priced device here.
5. Yes, but a lot of sites use flash now. Java annoys the shit out of me, but flash is needed. Fortunately it should be coming soon.
6. I guess...but what if you want to send pix to a regular mobile phone user? Not a huge deal, but noticeably absent.
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Haha, I love it. "no MMS, it's just a toy."
Yes, but any objective observer would have to agree that the iPhone is better than most phones on its feature list too. Any phone that has a feature that the current iPhone doesn't have - say, video recording - is going to fall way short on a long list of other features, like built-in memory, size of screen, iTunes integration, etc. Of course, that feature list makes it expensive too.
That's quite true.
However, for someone like me it's a question of whether or not I plunk down $600 for one...plus tax, so it's $640.00. In other words, that's kind of a false dilemma you're using. If one is getting a smartphone anyway, you're right in that one will be hard pressed to find a better, more feature complete one. But for someone that probably wouldn't buy a smartphone, it's questionable whether or not an iphone is worth it, especially taking the speed, storage and other minor annoyances into account.
This is not an iPhone bashing thread, so let's clarify that right now. Overall it's going to be a great product. It just has some issues as far as I'm concerned. The speed is the paramount one. If it's faster than I expect, I may get one sooner rather than later.
But really.."no video recording" was the final straw? That's dumb. I could care less about that.
But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
If the speed was right and it had a few other improvements, I'd find the money.
It's going to be much more than a toy, but your list is spot on. The battery could be a serious issue. It's a $500-600 device. It should damn well have a replaceable battery.
This I've never understood. I've never replaced the battery is 3 ipods in the family over 3-4 years. I've only replaced the battery in my phone once, about 4 years ago with older batteries. I have no need for extra batteries, especially with the battery life they seem to have gotten. I much prefer the smaller package and lack of failure points to a replaceable battery. This, to me, is a very reasonable engineering tradeoff.
Now, as to the price, as has been shown numerous other places, with the contract the iPhone is CHEAPER that a Motorola Q. This is not a particularly expensive phone.
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First, I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not getting one. Now...
1. No, it's not. A high quality MPEG-4 feature can take 500-900MB. Then you have pictures, TV episodes, calendars, and contacts....and music. Even my small music collection is like 12-15GB.
So is mine (size of library) but with the simplicity of iTunes I've never needed more than my current 5GB iPod for the music and I have no problem choosing just a couple of movies to take with me at any given time. The syncing is trivial. I'd rather not pay for more storage.
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2. Not the same. Jesus.[iChat]
But is it for me the way I use iChat. So again, different target market.
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3. Easy to add does not equal "present." Not a deal breaker for me, but it's weird given that this has been around for at least 7 years.
This [Voice Activation] is the main one, and least discussed around here, that seems out of line, because, to me, its a safety issue!! Dialing in the car without voice activation is a major ding.
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4. I see your point...and you'll notice I didn't point it out. However, consider that we're talking about a premium priced device here.
See above, we're not really talking about a premium priced device.
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5. Yes, but a lot of sites use flash now. Java annoys the shit out of me, but flash is needed. Fortunately it should be coming soon.
6. I guess...but what if you want to send pix to a regular mobile phone user? Not a huge deal, but noticeably absent.
To me mms was developed as a substitute for e-mail. Since I've never done this of course I don't miss it but some would.
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.
Yep... the only reasons I can possibly come up with are (some combination of).
- Unusual drain on battery life
- Poor testing results and feature was canned till it could be worked out.
Or they simply chose to hold that feature back with some others they are still working on (Exchange support?!) until the first Apple Software Update comes down the line.... so they have 'a few new things' to grab peoples attention - once the initial hype starts dying down...
But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
I agree. I think for most people who are serious considering buying an iPhone this is their only real concern. I know it is for me. Knowing that I was interested in an iPhone, I switched to cingular about 3 months ago so I could get an idea of their service quality . I do have concerns about ATT(cingular).
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
This I've never understood. I've never replaced the battery is 3 ipods in the family over 3-4 years. I've only replaced the battery in my phone once, about 4 years ago with older batteries. I have no need for extra batteries, especially with the battery life they seem to have gotten. I much prefer the smaller package and lack of failure points to a replaceable battery. This, to me, is a very reasonable engineering tradeoff.
I haven't either. That said, you're talking about much more battery usage than you are with a regular phone. And while I've not had an issue, I have heard of many iPod battery problems. It's different in my mind because while I use my iPod lightly or even moderately, I charge it maybe once a week or every two weeks at maximum. The iPhone is going to be cycled constantly. It's going to sit in your car on a trip. You'll be on the phone a lot and then plug it in at night. It's a different animal. Again..not a deal breaker, but noticeable.
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Now, as to the price, as has been shown numerous other places, with the contract the iPhone is CHEAPER that a Motorola Q. This is not a particularly expensive phone.
It's $600. Show me a phone that is $600. Or even $500.
The worst price I can find on the Q is $419. And that would be outrageous if someone paid that. The iPhone is $600. No subsidy. Get real, sir.
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So is mine (size of library) but with the simplicity of iTunes I've never needed more than my current 5GB iPod for the music and I have no problem choosing just a couple of movies to take with me at any given time. The syncing is trivial. I'd rather not pay for more storage.
It has nothing to do with The Simplicity of iTunes (TM). A "few" movies could take up half the device easily. And now I have to sit and figure out what music I want and don't want? No thanks.
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But is it for me the way I use iChat. So again, different target market.
Uh...can you communicate with someone using iChat on their computer?
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This [Voice Activation] is the main one, and least discussed around here, that seems out of line, because, to me, its a safety issue!! Dialing in the car without voice activation is a major ding.
Agreed.
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See above, we're not really talking about a premium priced device.
Then you're rich or in denial. Possibly both.
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To me mms was developed as a substitute for e-mail. Since I've never done this of course I don't miss it but some would.
To me, you're wrong. MMS was developed to send people pix messages, share photos instantly, etc. This is a major hole in capability.
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Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.(1)
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.(2)
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.(3)
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.(4)
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.(5)
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.(6)
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.(7)
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.(8)
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
1. Doesn't make sense to me either.
2. Hopefully, yes.
3. True.
4. I agree, but it seems like they have really left out some industry standards.
5. Agreed with that as well. But I think most people know how to use pix messaging, voice dial, et al.
6. Agree in principle, but I hope you see that is not where I (for example) am coming from. I think storage, speed and the lack of certain obvious features ae genuine problems. Honestly, if they solved the speed issue that would be nearly enough for me. The other one that really bothers me is storage, though I assume that will be fixed in the next rev. Voice dial, no mms, even flash...they would all be nice, but I'm really OK without them. Their omission just puzzles me.
7. True. That Lack of CD-RW was a huge mistake, as admitted by Jobs.
Sounds like we are on the same page with storage and speed.
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I agree. I think for most people who are serious considering buying an iPhone this is their only real concern. I know it is for me. Knowing that I was interested in an iPhone, I switched to cingular about 3 months ago so I could get an idea of their service quality . I do have concerns about ATT(cingular).
What has your experience been like? I am ready to tell VZW to shove it up their ass, but I hear ATT is no better. My biggest problem is dropped calls, delays in signal processing (resulting in "talking over" each party) and inconsistent mobile web (which is pathetic on VZW, btw).
What has your experience been like? I am ready to tell VZW to shove it up their ass, but I hear ATT is no better. My biggest problem is dropped calls, delays in signal processing (resulting in "talking over" each party) and inconsistent mobile web (which is pathetic on VZW, btw).
Call quality has been inferior to Nextel(my previous carrier). More dropped calls, and lower quality audio on calls. It's acceptable, I think.
Maybe I'm just telling myself this because I want an iPhone.
It's $600. Show me a phone that is $600. Or even $500.
The worst price I can find on the Q is $419. And that would be outrageous if someone paid that. The iPhone is $600. No subsidy. Get real, sir.
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Just as you would have on the iPhone.)
Only a $282 difference, but I'd take the iPhone anyday over the Q.
Regardless, I know this is only one example. But hey, at least it's something...
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Both of which are included in the iPhone plan.)
To purchase a phone whose carrier (ATT) is rated the worst in the business is nuts. I think that Apple was greedy in picking ATT--they were probably the most desperate and would give Apple the best deal available---and were the easiest to push around.
It may be the best phone in the world, and it may do lots of things, but if you can't use it to make a phone call--it's worthless.
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Just as you would have on the iPhone.)
Only a $282 difference, but I'd take the iPhone anyday over the Q.
Regardless, I know this is only one example. But hey, at least it's something...
Uh...can you communicate with someone using iChat on their computer?
Yes I can if they're on AOL. I don't know if there's an easier way but the AOL account as a number I can use to send the message to and it shows up as from my phone number.
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Then you're rich or in denial. Possibly both.
See Guybrush Threepwood's reply. I'm neither. I just look at total cost of ownership, not price. The price is a salesman's trick.
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Of course; no device can have every "spec." But consider this: How many phones have 4 or 8 gigs standard - any? A 320X480 screen - any? Wifi - a few? The iPhone kicks ass on "specs" in comparison to other phones, and anyone who says otherwise just isn't being objective. And that's not even getting into the intangibles like its user interface, which is the real selling point anyway. Perhaps you're just jealous of us Yanks that you can't get one?
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
In a way I think the focus on specs is overdone. The success or failure of the iPhone will depend on two factors, IMO. Is it easy and enjoyable to use and is it reliable. While I would prefer 32gbs of storage it isn't a deal breaker for me. My greatest concern is ATT and their service.
Same here, which is why I'm waiting on a 3G iPhone. I'll either be living in NYC or DC when that happens, so I know the service will be available.
Frankly, I'm glad it doesn't do 3G right now... can't afford the thing!!
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
You have to tell me what phone you're using now, because if it really makes the iPhone such a "lol" on specs - more than 8 gigs of memory, larger than 320X480 screen, superior touch-screen interface, works with iTunes, etc. - then I want to buy it from you.
If they wanted it in they would have done that in the first place, im sure they dont want people right of the jump asking for new things. Christ Jobs said its been 2 years in the making and if they havent put it in now ill bet they wont put it in period.
The fact is that as the list of have nots grow ever more for this phone its becoming more and more difficult for the OSX, UI and Coverflow alone to stand up to the competition.
The fact is that this phone will already be superceded in specs when its hits the shelves.
Things like no MMS or video recording are just a slap in the face
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use. To me having all of the above would make it a 'Toy' as opposed to having something that allows me to get what I want done faster and easier.
1) memory card - 8gigs is plenty
2) chatt app???? sms
3) voice dialing - this is the only one that I think could be critical but then again its easy for them to add if it really is
4) GPS - who cares I can read a map I've never use the one on my car - a waste of money for 99% of the time.
5) no Java or Flash - nothing could have made me happier. I dread (and avoid) web sites that depend on Java and click through 99% of Flash stuff as superfluous
6) MMS - email
Now the whole point is that there are many markets that have many different desires and needs. The dismissal of the iPhone because of lack of feature, vs consideration of the whole package, has become a waste of energy. I thought the four major reviews that are out are the best look about.
Why?
1. It's not in my summer budget
2. EDGE speed looks to suck as much or more than we thought.
3. Storage totally inadequate. 4GB? 8GB? That's a joke, Apple. I can put a few movies and some of my music. Not good enough.
4. The rush of users is going to overwhelm the system for activation and temporarily, usage. Just my opinion.
5. I have doubts about the first rev of a product from Apple. I've never bought one. Period.
6. No flash support.
7. No wireless sync
1. I have saved $50 out of each paycheck since January. I was forward looking about this. Plus, I am going to sell my Sidekick 3 for $100 on cragislist.
2. I have been using EDGE on my Sidekick for over a year, and it has been just fine. Not fast, but not 2 minutes slow. I have no problems surfing websites while waiting for a movie, or wiating for a table, etc. The kicker for me here is the WiFi on the iPhone that isn't on my sidekick.
3. I have a 5GB iPod, which I just filled up recently. 8GB, will be ok. Sure, I wish it was more, but I can live with 8GBs.
4. Activation, could suck. But I bet it wont be too bad. There have been large phone launches in the past (sure, maybe not as large), and things went ok. As far as useage...there are already hundreds of thousands using EDGE currently. ATT just upgraded their EDGE network, so I don't expect many problems at all.
5. I bought a Rev A 12" powerbook, 5GB iPod, G5, AppleTV, and have never had any issues. My sister has a rev A MacBook (as do two of my friends). My Dad has a rev A 20th aniversary Mac. Again, no issues. People that have issues with rev A are in the minority (a vocal one, but none the less). Plus, that is what 1 yr warenties are for.
6. If you mean flash in the browser, that can easily be upgraded. Plus Apple has already confirmed there will be many free software updates over the life of the iPhone. I fully expect flash to be one of them.
7. I used wireless sync with my AppleTV. It blows. Thank god I could hard wire it, because wireless is just not up to speed.
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There’s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
Haha, I love it. "no MMS, it's just a toy."
Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use.
Yes, but any objective observer would have to agree that the iPhone is better than most phones on its feature list too. Any phone that has a feature that the current iPhone doesn't have - say, video recording - is going to fall way short on a long list of other features, like built-in memory, size of screen, iTunes integration, etc. Of course, that feature list makes it expensive too.
Pretty much all popular memory card formats can go up to 4gig.
All Nokia N9* range phones have had WIFI since the N90 and that was how many years ago? lol Like 2 or 3?
The only reason its a big screen is becasue its all touch screen. Otherwise the biggest you get is like 2.4 or 2.6 inches normally.
I was jealous in a way that you were getting it before but the lack of video recording was the final straw really. No 3G, no mms, only a 2mp cam not even with AF.
Maybe you "yanks" are easily pleased (hence why you guys have a 2 year contract but it will only be 1 in the UK LOL) and ripped of but in Europe we are a bit ahead which is why apart from the interface its not impressing everyone like in the USA.
This is not an iPhone bashing thread, so let's clarify that right now. Overall it's going to be a great product. It just has some issues as far as I'm concerned. The speed is the paramount one. If it's faster than I expect, I may get one sooner rather than later.
But really.."no video recording" was the final straw? That's dumb. I could care less about that.
In a way I think the focus on specs is overdone. The success or failure of the iPhone will depend on two factors, IMO. Is it easy and enjoyable to use and is it reliable. While I would prefer 32gbs of storage it isn't a deal breaker for me. My greatest concern is ATT and their service.
But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
Same here, which is why I'm waiting on a 3G iPhone. I'll either be living in NYC or DC when that happens, so I know the service will be available.
Frankly, I'm glad it doesn't do 3G right now... can't afford the thing!!
If the speed was right and it had a few other improvements, I'd find the money.
The battery is not user replaceable so once that starts to feel a bit old the whole phone has to go back to the Apple mothership for repair. There?s no memory card slot, no chat app, no voice dialing, no GPS, no third-party apps, no Java or Flash support, no MMS support.
'nuff said. It's just a bloody toy.
It's going to be much more than a toy, but your list is spot on. The battery could be a serious issue. It's a $500-600 device. It should damn well have a replaceable battery.
A mem card slot doesn't do much for me. It's nice I guess, but not necessary.
The lack of a chat app is very surprising...
....as is its lack of support for MMS. That's a 2002 technology for the Christ's sake.
In fairness, third party apps will come, and fast.
Again though, if I really examine what's important to me, it's speed. I can live without chat and without MMS...easily. But the speed and storage issues (and no wireless sync) are bothersome.
Its really amazing to me that there is such a focus on spec and feature list vs usability and ease of use. To me having all of the above would make it a 'Toy' as opposed to having something that allows me to get what I want done faster and easier.
1) memory card - 8gigs is plenty
2) chatt app???? sms
3) voice dialing - this is the only one that I think could be critical but then again its easy for them to add if it really is
4) GPS - who cares I can read a map I've never use the one on my car - a waste of money for 99% of the time.
5) no Java or Flash - nothing could have made me happier. I dread (and avoid) web sites that depend on Java and click through 99% of Flash stuff as superfluous
6) MMS - email
Now the whole point is that there are many markets that have many different desires and needs. The dismissal of the iPhone because of lack of feature, vs consideration of the whole package, has become a waste of energy. I thought the four major reviews that are out are the best look about.
First, I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not getting one. Now...
1. No, it's not. A high quality MPEG-4 feature can take 500-900MB. Then you have pictures, TV episodes, calendars, and contacts....and music. Even my small music collection is like 12-15GB.
2. Not the same. Jesus.
3. Easy to add does not equal "present." Not a deal breaker for me, but it's weird given that this has been around for at least 7 years.
4. I see your point...and you'll notice I didn't point it out. However, consider that we're talking about a premium priced device here.
5. Yes, but a lot of sites use flash now. Java annoys the shit out of me, but flash is needed. Fortunately it should be coming soon.
6. I guess...but what if you want to send pix to a regular mobile phone user? Not a huge deal, but noticeably absent.
Haha, I love it. "no MMS, it's just a toy."
Yes, but any objective observer would have to agree that the iPhone is better than most phones on its feature list too. Any phone that has a feature that the current iPhone doesn't have - say, video recording - is going to fall way short on a long list of other features, like built-in memory, size of screen, iTunes integration, etc. Of course, that feature list makes it expensive too.
That's quite true.
However, for someone like me it's a question of whether or not I plunk down $600 for one...plus tax, so it's $640.00. In other words, that's kind of a false dilemma you're using. If one is getting a smartphone anyway, you're right in that one will be hard pressed to find a better, more feature complete one. But for someone that probably wouldn't buy a smartphone, it's questionable whether or not an iphone is worth it, especially taking the speed, storage and other minor annoyances into account.
This is not an iPhone bashing thread, so let's clarify that right now. Overall it's going to be a great product. It just has some issues as far as I'm concerned. The speed is the paramount one. If it's faster than I expect, I may get one sooner rather than later.
But really.."no video recording" was the final straw? That's dumb. I could care less about that.
But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
If the speed was right and it had a few other improvements, I'd find the money.
It's going to be much more than a toy, but your list is spot on. The battery could be a serious issue. It's a $500-600 device. It should damn well have a replaceable battery.
This I've never understood. I've never replaced the battery is 3 ipods in the family over 3-4 years. I've only replaced the battery in my phone once, about 4 years ago with older batteries. I have no need for extra batteries, especially with the battery life they seem to have gotten. I much prefer the smaller package and lack of failure points to a replaceable battery. This, to me, is a very reasonable engineering tradeoff.
Now, as to the price, as has been shown numerous other places, with the contract the iPhone is CHEAPER that a Motorola Q. This is not a particularly expensive phone.
First, I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not getting one. Now...
1. No, it's not. A high quality MPEG-4 feature can take 500-900MB. Then you have pictures, TV episodes, calendars, and contacts....and music. Even my small music collection is like 12-15GB.
So is mine (size of library) but with the simplicity of iTunes I've never needed more than my current 5GB iPod for the music and I have no problem choosing just a couple of movies to take with me at any given time. The syncing is trivial. I'd rather not pay for more storage.
2. Not the same. Jesus.[iChat]
But is it for me the way I use iChat. So again, different target market.
3. Easy to add does not equal "present." Not a deal breaker for me, but it's weird given that this has been around for at least 7 years.
This [Voice Activation] is the main one, and least discussed around here, that seems out of line, because, to me, its a safety issue!! Dialing in the car without voice activation is a major ding.
4. I see your point...and you'll notice I didn't point it out. However, consider that we're talking about a premium priced device here.
See above, we're not really talking about a premium priced device.
5. Yes, but a lot of sites use flash now. Java annoys the shit out of me, but flash is needed. Fortunately it should be coming soon.
6. I guess...but what if you want to send pix to a regular mobile phone user? Not a huge deal, but noticeably absent.
To me mms was developed as a substitute for e-mail. Since I've never done this of course I don't miss it but some would.
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.
Yep... the only reasons I can possibly come up with are (some combination of).
- Unusual drain on battery life
- Poor testing results and feature was canned till it could be worked out.
Or they simply chose to hold that feature back with some others they are still working on (Exchange support?!) until the first Apple Software Update comes down the line.... so they have 'a few new things' to grab peoples attention - once the initial hype starts dying down...
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But if the real-world speed sucks, that's a problem. Also, I'm not asking for 32GB right now. But 8/16 would be nice.
I agree. I think for most people who are serious considering buying an iPhone this is their only real concern. I know it is for me. Knowing that I was interested in an iPhone, I switched to cingular about 3 months ago so I could get an idea of their service quality . I do have concerns about ATT(cingular).
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
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This I've never understood. I've never replaced the battery is 3 ipods in the family over 3-4 years. I've only replaced the battery in my phone once, about 4 years ago with older batteries. I have no need for extra batteries, especially with the battery life they seem to have gotten. I much prefer the smaller package and lack of failure points to a replaceable battery. This, to me, is a very reasonable engineering tradeoff.
I haven't either. That said, you're talking about much more battery usage than you are with a regular phone. And while I've not had an issue, I have heard of many iPod battery problems. It's different in my mind because while I use my iPod lightly or even moderately, I charge it maybe once a week or every two weeks at maximum. The iPhone is going to be cycled constantly. It's going to sit in your car on a trip. You'll be on the phone a lot and then plug it in at night. It's a different animal. Again..not a deal breaker, but noticeable.
Now, as to the price, as has been shown numerous other places, with the contract the iPhone is CHEAPER that a Motorola Q. This is not a particularly expensive phone.
It's $600. Show me a phone that is $600. Or even $500.
http://wireless.bestbuy.com/devicefi...agent=&x=8&y=7
http://www.palm.com/us/products/smar...55p/index.html
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...PhonesBody.jsp
The worst price I can find on the Q is $419. And that would be outrageous if someone paid that. The iPhone is $600. No subsidy. Get real, sir.
So is mine (size of library) but with the simplicity of iTunes I've never needed more than my current 5GB iPod for the music and I have no problem choosing just a couple of movies to take with me at any given time. The syncing is trivial. I'd rather not pay for more storage.
It has nothing to do with The Simplicity of iTunes (TM). A "few" movies could take up half the device easily. And now I have to sit and figure out what music I want and don't want? No thanks.
But is it for me the way I use iChat. So again, different target market.
Uh...can you communicate with someone using iChat on their computer?
This [Voice Activation] is the main one, and least discussed around here, that seems out of line, because, to me, its a safety issue!! Dialing in the car without voice activation is a major ding.
Agreed.
See above, we're not really talking about a premium priced device.
Then you're rich or in denial. Possibly both.
To me mms was developed as a substitute for e-mail. Since I've never done this of course I don't miss it but some would.
To me, you're wrong. MMS was developed to send people pix messages, share photos instantly, etc. This is a major hole in capability.
Voice dialing is a puzzler to me-- it seems like such an easy, natural way to extend the functionality of the iPhone.(1)
My guess is that it will added via software update and be touted as an example of how Apple can make the iPhone ever better with no additional cost to the user due to its flexible UI and real OS.(2)
Apple was very specific about how free updates would be part of the appeal of the iPhone, you have to figure they've got some goodies in reserve.(3)
Having said that, anyone that has been an Apple customer for more than a few years knows that Apple distinguishes itself as much by the features it leaves out as the features it puts in.(4)
That's what makes Apple products superior in many cases, IMO. They have the discipline and vision to step away from the "feature" bullet-point list the engineering and marketing guys have cooked up, and think about what most people want to do and how to do that well.
The whole point of the iPhone is that it is entering a market crammed to the brim with "feature" packed phones that the vast majority of users have no idea how to access, much less use.(5)
Feature nerds always clamor for more, always dismiss Apple's offerings as "toys" because they don't have enough slots or buttons or dongles or lights. They always think that whatever they like is the critical feature, the one that will doom the product to irrelevancy and toy status, because all the cool kids want it.(6)
Apple isn't always right about this stuff-- they've left out things that proved to be more generally desirable than they realized, as in the case of their slow adoption of CD burners.(7)
But they're pretty good at it. And, of course, the beauty of the iPhone is that they really can address any shortcomings that turn out to be widely regarded as show-stoppers, while the phones are in the hands of consumers, and without a new model.(8)
Well, except for storage and speed, which will no doubt be addressed at the next iteration. On that, I'm pretty much with SDW-- I'll wait and see, but I may be waiting a bit longer after that to take the plunge.
1. Doesn't make sense to me either.
2. Hopefully, yes.
3. True.
4. I agree, but it seems like they have really left out some industry standards.
5. Agreed with that as well. But I think most people know how to use pix messaging, voice dial, et al.
6. Agree in principle, but I hope you see that is not where I (for example) am coming from. I think storage, speed and the lack of certain obvious features ae genuine problems. Honestly, if they solved the speed issue that would be nearly enough for me. The other one that really bothers me is storage, though I assume that will be fixed in the next rev. Voice dial, no mms, even flash...they would all be nice, but I'm really OK without them. Their omission just puzzles me.
7. True. That Lack of CD-RW was a huge mistake, as admitted by Jobs.
Sounds like we are on the same page with storage and speed.
I agree. I think for most people who are serious considering buying an iPhone this is their only real concern. I know it is for me. Knowing that I was interested in an iPhone, I switched to cingular about 3 months ago so I could get an idea of their service quality . I do have concerns about ATT(cingular).
What has your experience been like? I am ready to tell VZW to shove it up their ass, but I hear ATT is no better. My biggest problem is dropped calls, delays in signal processing (resulting in "talking over" each party) and inconsistent mobile web (which is pathetic on VZW, btw).
What has your experience been like? I am ready to tell VZW to shove it up their ass, but I hear ATT is no better. My biggest problem is dropped calls, delays in signal processing (resulting in "talking over" each party) and inconsistent mobile web (which is pathetic on VZW, btw).
Call quality has been inferior to Nextel(my previous carrier). More dropped calls, and lower quality audio on calls. It's acceptable, I think.
Maybe I'm just telling myself this because I want an iPhone.
It's $600. Show me a phone that is $600. Or even $500.
The worst price I can find on the Q is $419. And that would be outrageous if someone paid that. The iPhone is $600. No subsidy. Get real, sir.
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Just as you would have on the iPhone.)
Only a $282 difference, but I'd take the iPhone anyday over the Q.
Regardless, I know this is only one example. But hey, at least it's something...
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Both of which are included in the iPhone plan.)
To purchase a phone whose carrier (ATT) is rated the worst in the business is nuts. I think that Apple was greedy in picking ATT--they were probably the most desperate and would give Apple the best deal available---and were the easiest to push around.
It may be the best phone in the world, and it may do lots of things, but if you can't use it to make a phone call--it's worthless.
I think what he meant is the total cost of the phone plus the plan after two years.
For example, a 4GB iPhone with a 1350 minute plan at $99/month would total $2,875 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
The Motorola Q (with the rebates on Verizon, priced at $229) with the same 1350 minute at $122/month would total $3,157 w/o tax over the course of the contract.
(The $122/month includes the first and cheapest text messaging package and detailed billing. Just as you would have on the iPhone.)
Only a $282 difference, but I'd take the iPhone anyday over the Q.
Regardless, I know this is only one example. But hey, at least it's something...
Exactly, thanks so I didn't have to do this again
Uh...can you communicate with someone using iChat on their computer?
Yes I can if they're on AOL. I don't know if there's an easier way but the AOL account as a number I can use to send the message to and it shows up as from my phone number.
Then you're rich or in denial. Possibly both.
See Guybrush Threepwood's reply. I'm neither. I just look at total cost of ownership, not price. The price is a salesman's trick.