I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application.
I've almost never bought a computer that had included any part of an office suite, unless you count the carbonized AppleWorks. That may have been better than nothing to some people, but I tended to ignore it after playing with it for an evening.
I've almost never bought a computer that had included any part of an office suite, unless you count the carbonized AppleWorks. That may have been better than nothing to some people, but I tended to ignore it after playing with it for an evening.
I'm guessing that you meant to say " that included , for free, any part of an office suite" unless, of course you only use your computor for a paperweight. Also, I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of appleworks users that belong to awug's do more than play with it for an evening. However, since you have posted over 4000 times and I have only posted, let's see now, oh yeah, twice, if you count this one, I'll defer to your " experience".
I'm guessing that you meant to say " that included , for free, any part of an office suite" unless, of course you only use your computor for a paperweight. Also, I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of appleworks users that belong to awug's do more than play with it for an evening. However, since you have posted over 4000 times and I have only posted, let's see now, oh yeah, twice, if you count this one, I'll defer to your " experience".
I have absolutely no idea what you are getting at unless you are just trying to level an ad homenem attack towards me.
I almost always had to buy the software that I needed separately. I didn't think that was taboo idea. I don't play dependent on the hardware maker to bundle all the software that I need. iWork and AppleWorks aren't the only programs available to do the job that they do.
I have absolutely no idea what you are getting at unless you are just trying to level an ad homenem attack towards me.
I always had to buy the software that I needed, separately. I didn't think that was taboo idea. I don't play dependent on the hardware maker to bundle all the software that I need. iWork and AppleWorks aren't the only programs available to do the job that they do.
I did not mean for this post to indicate a personal attack at you. All I'm saying is that since the " beginning of time" Apple's reputation has been built on delivering great hardware which included great software . The inclusion of that software usually justified a higher price point. The present trend of " dumbing down " the free software so as to push us into paying for better Quality software goes against everything that Apple used to stand for. We used to stand apart from the herd, proudly, now it seems like we are heading towards just beeing part of the herd. Whatever happened to "1984" You can still sign " extremely Disappointed".
Was AppleWorks always included with a new Mac? I really don't know, I have only been a Mac user for maybe four years.
I don't know how far back it goes but my first mac purchase was a purple, if you can believe it, imac (6 gig h.d.) and I think that was about maybe 10 years or so ago and Appleworks was always included, free, much like I-life is now. That practice seems to have been stopped with the introduction of intel chips. I would hate to think that Apple has forgotten what made it special in the first place ... but who knows ... Apple has made dumb moves before ... thank God not many. We'll see.
People who admire Apple and really value and appreciate what they do, and are of the opinion that iMovie '08 is not a blunder at all but a remarkably plucky decision to start from scratch on a software suite that was getting away from its core purpose. Said people congratulate Apple for this risky move, are extremely excited about what they see already, and anxiously await future versions and the inevitable maturing of this new paradigm in movie-editing. Strange that you would leave out this group when it obviously include Steve Jobs himself, and the Apple employees who designed the program.
People who deny the existence of Group 4 and accuse them of being members of Group 1, simply because they cannot see the direction that Apple is taking with the iMovie app, and/or said direction holds some personal detriment to their own particular use of said app. This includes yourself (obviously, since you conspicuously left out group 4 from your list) and addabox, et al. who get so angry when people point out that the new iMovie is better in the long-run no matter how much they whine about how they will actually have to pay for professional programs for professional work.
Apple humors all of these groups and especially 3 and 5, and also just does a damn nice thing that they had no obligation to do at all by any measure, by allowing iMovie '06 to be downloaded for free.
You can download Appleworks for free also .... too bad it doesn't work on any of the newer mac machines.
I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application. I shudder to think just how far they are going to go with this. Just sign me " extremely disappointed".
An interesting observation. However, the major difference is that Apple well-managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well.
The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) that it built on what had gone before but included a major innovation in editing as well.
In case people need a reminder: There is no way to get an iMovie made in iMovie 08 into iDVD. Now that's ridiculous, is it not? Why have iDVD be part of iLife if you can't make a DVD from the iLife movie program?
I was just at an Apple store playing with iMovie 08, and there is little control. In normal mode, you get clips and that's it - string them together and you're done. Choose 2 second clips, or 3 second clips, and there you have it. Put a pre-made title on (insert your own words). Choose a song, and the program automatically adds the song at a set volume. Upload to YouTube.
There is also an advanced mode: this allows you to take that 2 second clip and extend it forward or backward by a set amount (the amount is set in the preferences - between 1/2 second and a few seconds). Want to start it exactly where you want? Good luck and good night.
I personally don't like the new interface - I find iMovie 06 very intuitive (it works like audiotape, or videotape - forward and back, stop at a specific point, move frame-by-frame (like a DVD player can do), cut where you want, etc.) The new interface is more like you reach into a clip and grab sections (approximately where you want), and glom them together. Scrubbing is interesting, but every time you move the cursor it starts scrubbing something - it's distracting.
iMovie 08 is just not worthy of being called iMovie - that's where a lot of the complaining comes from. Leave iMovie 06 part of iLife (and update it for Leopard). Add the new program - call it Easy Movie Maker or something. Then everyone's happy.
(I also looked at Final Cut Express - I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how to edit clips, and gave up. Definitely a steeper learning curve (I didn't have time to read the help files)).
I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application. I shudder to think just how far they are going to go with this. Just sign me " extremely disappointed".
Have you actually used iWork? I have used both extensively, trying not to use Office whenever possible. iWork is a hugely superior programme than AppleWorks. I wouldn't have dreamt of using AppleWorks for my dissertation, but iWork managed it without a hitch.
I will admit that having a spreadsheet from the offset would have been a good idea, and a simple drawing programme might help, although Pages can be used for that sort of thing. But I use Filemaker for databasing, so now the new iWork doesn't have any missing features of importance, or that I can't work around. And if I had a burning desire to use AppleWorks (which I never had since moving to OS X 10.0.3), I still can because it's on my install disks.
There seem to be a lot of people here that don't understand that if you don't like something, buy something you do like, and stop whinging at what you don't like. It's a very pessimistic attitude to have.
People who admire Apple and really value and appreciate what they do, and are of the opinion that iMovie '08 is not a blunder at all but a remarkably plucky decision to start from scratch on a software suite that was getting away from its core purpose. Said people congratulate Apple for this risky move, are extremely excited about what they see already, and anxiously await future versions and the inevitable maturing of this new paradigm in movie-editing. Strange that you would leave out this group when it obviously include Steve Jobs himself, and the Apple employees who designed the program.
People who deny the existence of Group 4 and accuse them of being members of Group 1, simply because they cannot see the direction that Apple is taking with the iMovie app, and/or said direction holds some personal detriment to their own particular use of said app. This includes yourself (obviously, since you conspicuously left out group 4 from your list) and addabox, et al. who get so angry when people point out that the new iMovie is better in the long-run no matter how much they whine about how they will actually have to pay for professional programs for professional work.
Apple humors all of these groups and especially 3 and 5, and also just does a damn nice thing that they had no obligation to do at all by any measure, by allowing iMovie '06 to be downloaded for free.
Oh, I forgot to say, Group 1 normally tries to explain away their defensiveness by inventing extra but unnecessary and inappropriate Groups that are either the same as Group 1 or support Group 1 behaviour.
And Group 1 also (incorrectly) tries to suggest that:
Group 3 don't appreciate Apple's tremendous inventiveness in developing paradigm-shifting software (e.g. in video editing), or that
Group 3 reject all of something just because they don't like part of it, as a way of suggesting that Group 1 (aka 4) are the only true ones that count as friends of Apple (classic Group 1).
Some people will never be happy and wish to waste all of their energy complaining about other people's actions over which they have no control. Read Covey's "7 Habits".
My overall feeling is that it was option C. I think that they made some typical Version 1.0 errors, and will get them corrected with 1.1 (Even though it is 7.0, it behaves like a 1.0).
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
An interesting observation. However, the major difference is that Apple well-managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well.
The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) that it built on what had gone before but included a major innovation in editing as well.
Point #1 In your first sentence you say " Apple well- managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product " In your second sentenced you say The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) ... so ... my question to you is. Which is it ? New name or not ?
Point #2 Just because a crappy, by most accounts, piece of software " renames the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well, that does not make it a better piece of software.
Point #3 Perhaps I was too subtle for you in my original post. Let me try again.IMO the downward quality support trend of Apple's free included software, first Appleworks and now Imovie suggests to me that a dangerous mindset is starting to rear its ugly head over at Apple Inc. I hope that I am wrong but I fear that the arrogant attitude of a few years ago may be repeated with the same disasterous results. Please do not let that happen by not listening to all voices.
Have you actually used iWork? I have used both extensively, trying not to use Office whenever possible. iWork is a hugely superior programme than AppleWorks. I wouldn't have dreamt of using AppleWorks for my dissertation, but iWork managed it without a hitch.
I will admit that having a spreadsheet from the offset would have been a good idea, and a simple drawing programme might help, although Pages can be used for that sort of thing. But I use Filemaker for databasing, so now the new iWork doesn't have any missing features of importance, or that I can't work around. And if I had a burning desire to use AppleWorks (which I never had since moving to OS X 10.0.3), I still can because it's on my install disks.
There seem to be a lot of people here that don't understand that if you don't like something, buy something you do like, and stop whinging at what you don't like. It's a very pessimistic attitude to have.
First of all, if you are happy having to use several different paid applications ( Iwork, Filemaker, etc. ) to do the work of one ( free ) Appleworks application ... go for it.
Secondly, if your imac is using intel chips it doesn't support Appleworks no matter where you have it.
And lastly, a pessimistic attitude doesn't translate into a wrong attitude, just the same as a blissfully optimistic attitude is not necessarily a correct one. However, change ONLY occurs when enough people are PESSIMISTIC enough to point out obvious shortcomings. A prime example of that is Apple's decision to make a free download of Imovie HD after a whole bunch of pessimistic people voiced their opinions.
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
I'm not sure of the wages that are being paid but according to Steve Jobs in his presentation the reason for Imovie8 was because one engineer couldn't figure out how to make a vacation movie in under 15 minutes using Imovie HD or FCP. ...If that's their new research dept.... I think wer'e in trouble ...
I'm not sure of the wages that are being paid but according to Steve Jobs in his presentation the reason for Imovie8 was because one engineer couldn't figure out how to make a vacation movie in under 15 minutes using Imovie HD or PCP. ...If that's their new research dept.... I think wer'e in trouble ...
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I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application.
I've almost never bought a computer that had included any part of an office suite, unless you count the carbonized AppleWorks. That may have been better than nothing to some people, but I tended to ignore it after playing with it for an evening.
I've almost never bought a computer that had included any part of an office suite, unless you count the carbonized AppleWorks. That may have been better than nothing to some people, but I tended to ignore it after playing with it for an evening.
I'm guessing that you meant to say " that included , for free, any part of an office suite" unless, of course you only use your computor for a paperweight. Also, I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of appleworks users that belong to awug's do more than play with it for an evening. However, since you have posted over 4000 times and I have only posted, let's see now, oh yeah, twice, if you count this one, I'll defer to your " experience".
I'm guessing that you meant to say " that included , for free, any part of an office suite" unless, of course you only use your computor for a paperweight. Also, I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of appleworks users that belong to awug's do more than play with it for an evening. However, since you have posted over 4000 times and I have only posted, let's see now, oh yeah, twice, if you count this one, I'll defer to your " experience".
I have absolutely no idea what you are getting at unless you are just trying to level an ad homenem attack towards me.
I almost always had to buy the software that I needed separately. I didn't think that was taboo idea. I don't play dependent on the hardware maker to bundle all the software that I need. iWork and AppleWorks aren't the only programs available to do the job that they do.
I have absolutely no idea what you are getting at unless you are just trying to level an ad homenem attack towards me.
I always had to buy the software that I needed, separately. I didn't think that was taboo idea. I don't play dependent on the hardware maker to bundle all the software that I need. iWork and AppleWorks aren't the only programs available to do the job that they do.
I did not mean for this post to indicate a personal attack at you. All I'm saying is that since the " beginning of time" Apple's reputation has been built on delivering great hardware which included great software . The inclusion of that software usually justified a higher price point. The present trend of " dumbing down " the free software so as to push us into paying for better Quality software goes against everything that Apple used to stand for. We used to stand apart from the herd, proudly, now it seems like we are heading towards just beeing part of the herd. Whatever happened to "1984" You can still sign " extremely Disappointed".
Was AppleWorks always included with a new Mac? I really don't know, I have only been a Mac user for maybe four years.
I don't know how far back it goes but my first mac purchase was a purple, if you can believe it, imac (6 gig h.d.) and I think that was about maybe 10 years or so ago and Appleworks was always included, free, much like I-life is now. That practice seems to have been stopped with the introduction of intel chips. I would hate to think that Apple has forgotten what made it special in the first place ... but who knows ... Apple has made dumb moves before ... thank God not many. We'll see.
You forgot two:
- People who admire Apple and really value and appreciate what they do, and are of the opinion that iMovie '08 is not a blunder at all but a remarkably plucky decision to start from scratch on a software suite that was getting away from its core purpose. Said people congratulate Apple for this risky move, are extremely excited about what they see already, and anxiously await future versions and the inevitable maturing of this new paradigm in movie-editing. Strange that you would leave out this group when it obviously include Steve Jobs himself, and the Apple employees who designed the program.
- People who deny the existence of Group 4 and accuse them of being members of Group 1, simply because they cannot see the direction that Apple is taking with the iMovie app, and/or said direction holds some personal detriment to their own particular use of said app. This includes yourself (obviously, since you conspicuously left out group 4 from your list) and addabox, et al. who get so angry when people point out that the new iMovie is better in the long-run no matter how much they whine about how they will actually have to pay for professional programs for professional work.
Apple humors all of these groups and especially 3 and 5, and also just does a damn nice thing that they had no obligation to do at all by any measure, by allowing iMovie '06 to be downloaded for free.You can download Appleworks for free also .... too bad it doesn't work on any of the newer mac machines.
I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application. I shudder to think just how far they are going to go with this. Just sign me " extremely disappointed".
An interesting observation. However, the major difference is that Apple well-managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well.
The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) that it built on what had gone before but included a major innovation in editing as well.
I was just at an Apple store playing with iMovie 08, and there is little control. In normal mode, you get clips and that's it - string them together and you're done. Choose 2 second clips, or 3 second clips, and there you have it. Put a pre-made title on (insert your own words). Choose a song, and the program automatically adds the song at a set volume. Upload to YouTube.
There is also an advanced mode: this allows you to take that 2 second clip and extend it forward or backward by a set amount (the amount is set in the preferences - between 1/2 second and a few seconds). Want to start it exactly where you want? Good luck and good night.
I personally don't like the new interface - I find iMovie 06 very intuitive (it works like audiotape, or videotape - forward and back, stop at a specific point, move frame-by-frame (like a DVD player can do), cut where you want, etc.) The new interface is more like you reach into a clip and grab sections (approximately where you want), and glom them together. Scrubbing is interesting, but every time you move the cursor it starts scrubbing something - it's distracting.
iMovie 08 is just not worthy of being called iMovie - that's where a lot of the complaining comes from. Leave iMovie 06 part of iLife (and update it for Leopard). Add the new program - call it Easy Movie Maker or something. Then everyone's happy.
(I also looked at Final Cut Express - I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how to edit clips, and gave up. Definitely a steeper learning curve (I didn't have time to read the help files)).
I believe that the present "strategy" that Apple is displaying has been done before with Appleworks. Take an amazing piece of free software, discontinue support for it and at the same time force people to go with an inferior piece of software ( Iwork) that takes two or three revisions ( at $79 a pop ) to even come close to what was lost. When I bought my 24" intel imac it was the first mac product I ever bought that did not include a decent word processor/spreadsheet application. I shudder to think just how far they are going to go with this. Just sign me " extremely disappointed".
Have you actually used iWork? I have used both extensively, trying not to use Office whenever possible. iWork is a hugely superior programme than AppleWorks. I wouldn't have dreamt of using AppleWorks for my dissertation, but iWork managed it without a hitch.
I will admit that having a spreadsheet from the offset would have been a good idea, and a simple drawing programme might help, although Pages can be used for that sort of thing. But I use Filemaker for databasing, so now the new iWork doesn't have any missing features of importance, or that I can't work around. And if I had a burning desire to use AppleWorks (which I never had since moving to OS X 10.0.3), I still can because it's on my install disks.
There seem to be a lot of people here that don't understand that if you don't like something, buy something you do like, and stop whinging at what you don't like. It's a very pessimistic attitude to have.
You forgot two:
- People who admire Apple and really value and appreciate what they do, and are of the opinion that iMovie '08 is not a blunder at all but a remarkably plucky decision to start from scratch on a software suite that was getting away from its core purpose. Said people congratulate Apple for this risky move, are extremely excited about what they see already, and anxiously await future versions and the inevitable maturing of this new paradigm in movie-editing. Strange that you would leave out this group when it obviously include Steve Jobs himself, and the Apple employees who designed the program.
- People who deny the existence of Group 4 and accuse them of being members of Group 1, simply because they cannot see the direction that Apple is taking with the iMovie app, and/or said direction holds some personal detriment to their own particular use of said app. This includes yourself (obviously, since you conspicuously left out group 4 from your list) and addabox, et al. who get so angry when people point out that the new iMovie is better in the long-run no matter how much they whine about how they will actually have to pay for professional programs for professional work.
Apple humors all of these groups and especially 3 and 5, and also just does a damn nice thing that they had no obligation to do at all by any measure, by allowing iMovie '06 to be downloaded for free.Oh, I forgot to say, Group 1 normally tries to explain away their defensiveness by inventing extra but unnecessary and inappropriate Groups that are either the same as Group 1 or support Group 1 behaviour.
And Group 1 also (incorrectly) tries to suggest that:
Group 3 don't appreciate Apple's tremendous inventiveness in developing paradigm-shifting software (e.g. in video editing), or that
Group 3 reject all of something just because they don't like part of it, as a way of suggesting that Group 1 (aka 4) are the only true ones that count as friends of Apple (classic Group 1).
You can download Appleworks for free also .... too bad it doesn't work on any of the newer mac machines.
Which machines? I haven't tried it all, but the writer and spreadsheet parts work on my Mac Pro.
My overall feeling is that it was option C. I think that they made some typical Version 1.0 errors, and will get them corrected with 1.1 (Even though it is 7.0, it behaves like a 1.0).
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
Absolutely.
An interesting observation. However, the major difference is that Apple well-managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well.
The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) that it built on what had gone before but included a major innovation in editing as well.
Point #1 In your first sentence you say " Apple well- managed the expectations of the Customers by renaming the new product " In your second sentenced you say The iMovie '08 issue (while having the similarity you refer to) arose due to the clearly allowed impression (by keeping the app name the same) ... so ... my question to you is. Which is it ? New name or not ?
Point #2 Just because a crappy, by most accounts, piece of software " renames the new product (thus avoiding too-much in the way of assumed features) and by showing clearly what it did do well, that does not make it a better piece of software.
Point #3 Perhaps I was too subtle for you in my original post. Let me try again.IMO the downward quality support trend of Apple's free included software, first Appleworks and now Imovie suggests to me that a dangerous mindset is starting to rear its ugly head over at Apple Inc. I hope that I am wrong but I fear that the arrogant attitude of a few years ago may be repeated with the same disasterous results. Please do not let that happen by not listening to all voices.
Have you actually used iWork? I have used both extensively, trying not to use Office whenever possible. iWork is a hugely superior programme than AppleWorks. I wouldn't have dreamt of using AppleWorks for my dissertation, but iWork managed it without a hitch.
I will admit that having a spreadsheet from the offset would have been a good idea, and a simple drawing programme might help, although Pages can be used for that sort of thing. But I use Filemaker for databasing, so now the new iWork doesn't have any missing features of importance, or that I can't work around. And if I had a burning desire to use AppleWorks (which I never had since moving to OS X 10.0.3), I still can because it's on my install disks.
There seem to be a lot of people here that don't understand that if you don't like something, buy something you do like, and stop whinging at what you don't like. It's a very pessimistic attitude to have.
First of all, if you are happy having to use several different paid applications ( Iwork, Filemaker, etc. ) to do the work of one ( free ) Appleworks application ... go for it.
Secondly, if your imac is using intel chips it doesn't support Appleworks no matter where you have it.
And lastly, a pessimistic attitude doesn't translate into a wrong attitude, just the same as a blissfully optimistic attitude is not necessarily a correct one. However, change ONLY occurs when enough people are PESSIMISTIC enough to point out obvious shortcomings. A prime example of that is Apple's decision to make a free download of Imovie HD after a whole bunch of pessimistic people voiced their opinions.
Which machines? I haven't tried it all, but the writer and spreadsheet parts work on my Mac Pro.
To the best of my knowledge intel Imacs do not support Appleworks.
That does sound quite plausable, though one would think that the Apple software development team working on iMove would surely have the resources, knowledge and plain common sense to engineer version 7 to include previously used (and loved) features of version 6. Things like chapter markers and (blindingly obvious) useful stuff like effects, transitions and full integration with iDVD should not have been cast aside for a "new" iMovie release. Seriously, has Apple cut their software department's wages? Is this their reply?
If it's not there then it's not iMovie. Call it something else and concentrate on getting the pro-sumer users back on board with a better version of 6. Quite a lot of Mac users don't want 'dumb' versions of anything. This is not the way to go.
I'm not sure of the wages that are being paid but according to Steve Jobs in his presentation the reason for Imovie8 was because one engineer couldn't figure out how to make a vacation movie in under 15 minutes using Imovie HD or FCP. ...If that's their new research dept.... I think wer'e in trouble ...
I'm not sure of the wages that are being paid but according to Steve Jobs in his presentation the reason for Imovie8 was because one engineer couldn't figure out how to make a vacation movie in under 15 minutes using Imovie HD or PCP. ...If that's their new research dept.... I think wer'e in trouble ...
Sorry, my last post should read Imovie HD or FCP