I have to admit that trying iMovie 8, it's not too bad as far as organizing clips into a narrative and getting the job done quickly. Many basic consumers will enjoy this software. This is not, however, creative movie editing. It is not a creative, educational tool.
As an administrator and tech buyer for a large school system with 1,100 Macs and 4,000 PCs I believe this "downgrade" will make it hard to justify buying more Macs and probably lead to more Windows machines in schools replacing Macs. Apple's reputation for creativity is lost if the iLife suite bundled on education Macs cannot compete with Windows offerings and their generally lower prices. The basic software that comes with our new digicams actually has more editing features than the new iMovie. Editing is where we teach most of our film studies creativity now. The jobs and the action are in the post-shoot phase of production. iMovie before version 7 was a terrific introduction to these methods. Stripping these features compromises years worth of structured, proven lesson plans.
So our media programs cannot use what is bundled with the Mac. Apple's response from its education sale department is that 13 year-olds should be using Final Cut and that schools should be spending extra money for that powerful a program. I do not agree and we have had some testy words. Final Cut is not usable at home for most students. It does more than necessary. It adds huge cost per work station. Windows software has none of those disadvantages. Apple's education sales people have become very, very defensive and are not returning calls. They are clearly embarrassed. There are huge costs and lost sale involved.
The iMovie 6 HD "free" release does nothing to solve this problem. Apple is only signaling that the program has no long term support or upgrade potential. It will not be updated to meet new codecs and camera protocols as the industry evolves. Schools cannot buy hardware for software with no future.
Taking features out of iMovie was a very stupid move by Apple. I would prefer buying Macs for our labs, but Apple makes it so difficult, when it does not have to be. They have a very short time frame in which to correct a serious mistake.
So now that iMovie has become useless for anything other than short YouTube clips, what now is the purpose of iDVD? iDVD's themes, chapter marker recognition, menus, and navigation, are now pointless unless you shell out for FCE. Sure you can download iMovie 6, but will that software be maintained and updated as the hardware and OS move forward? Will it always be available as a free download? Given Apple's typical software upgrade paths, it will be AT LEAST two major revisions before the new iMovie was come anywhere near the functionality of the current versions. And many features will NEVER come back if they stick with the new interface. Without precision head placement, most of the markers, transitions, and effects are impossible to use effectively anyway.
Apple might as well remove iDVD from all new Macs and from the iLife package. It is now just as useless and pointless and iMovie.
Bottom line, iMovie 8 is now in league with the crappy Windows options we've all been laughing at for the past 4 years. Congratulations Apple, you've finally caught Microsoft...too bad you got there by going in reverse.
Okay, everyone else is throwing their two cents in so I'll do the same...
-I was displeased with iMovie 08 being unable to use my Slick effects. Yes, the functionality is reduced but it is a far simpler app to use. It really is less bloated and, yes, for most people, iMovie HD is too complicated. I teach a course on using technology in education and most teachers do find iMovie HD a bit daunting and complicated. Relax, the new iMovie will be fine. Apple will build in plugins, new features, etc.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
-The iLife suite is 79 bucks. Even assuming you *despise* the new iMovie, the value is still excellent. Not that anyone should hate the new iMovie because, worst case scenario, you now have a new, simple video editing app *and* iMovie HD!
-And why, on Earth, would anyone complain about software not being usable with certain computers? The specs are written *on the box.*
A lot of you really are just completely unreasonable Keep using iLife 06! It's still a great, great suite! Apple was very, very clear about the specs, the price, and the features of iLife 08. Apple.com is jam-packed with information and tutorials. No reasonable person can possibly claim they didn't know what they were getting with iLife 08.
And, of course, the most important fact is that, like most software, iLife 08 is completely, utterly *optional.*
I've never understood why someone would run out and buy a piece of software they haven't demoed, haven't read reviews for, and then have the audacity to complain about it. It just makes no sense at all. How about finding out what the app does and how it *behaves* before you buy it.
These complaints really do sound like the whining of petulant children for the most part.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
One day after installing the OS X 10.5.1 update:
"The application 'iMovie HD' unexpectedly quit . . ."
What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
Whenever there's a new operating system (Leopard coming!), many apps need an update. Some Panther apps didn't work at all in Tiger, some worked with only partial functionality. iMovie 06 may need an update to work fully in Leopard. Maybe it'll work great from the start, but sometime in the future if iMovie 06 is not updated, it could be broken. (Of course, if we "whiners" don't like it, we could always keep running Tiger).
The whole imac revision and ilife 08 was a bust , i just got my 24 inch imac in january and this update did not get me excited to upgrade , remember when apple use to make you spend every lads oller you had just to upgrade in 6 months , i slowly losing my fanboyism , I'm starting to feel like the share holders and the board members at Apple brain washing Stev and he's forgetting about the ''Amazingly great products'' part about apple
Every six months? That's wacky, I just don't get it. Even in my worst in my PC years, I don't think I've upgraded or replaced a given computer more than once a year. When I had an Alpha workstation, I had the same machine as my primary system for five years, though did minor upgrades on memory and drives.
Okay, everyone else is throwing their two cents in so I'll do the same...
-I was displeased with iMovie 08 being unable to use my Slick effects. Yes, the functionality is reduced but it is a far simpler app to use. It really is less bloated and, yes, for most people, iMovie HD is too complicated. I teach a course on using technology in education and most teachers do find iMovie HD a bit daunting and complicated. Relax, the new iMovie will be fine. Apple will build in plugins, new features, etc.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
-The iLife suite is 79 bucks. Even assuming you *despise* the new iMovie, the value is still excellent. Not that anyone should hate the new iMovie because, worst case scenario, you now have a new, simple video editing app *and* iMovie HD!
-And why, on Earth, would anyone complain about software not being usable with certain computers? The specs are written *on the box.*
A lot of you really are just completely unreasonable Keep using iLife 06! It's still a great, great suite! Apple was very, very clear about the specs, the price, and the features of iLife 08. Apple.com is jam-packed with information and tutorials. No reasonable person can possibly claim they didn't know what they were getting with iLife 08.
And, of course, the most important fact is that, like most software, iLife 08 is completely, utterly *optional.*
I've never understood why someone would run out and buy a piece of software they haven't demoed, haven't read reviews for, and then have the audacity to complain about it. It just makes no sense at all. How about finding out what the app does and how it *behaves* before you buy it.
These complaints really do sound like the whining of petulant children for the most part.
Nice. You just reiterate every talking point that's already been proffered for why it's really wrong for Apple's customers to want anything other than what it gives them, without bothering to address any of the many caveats that have been laid out, and cap it off by dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as a whiny child.
Which would make you what, exactly? I leave that for you to ponder, but I wonder if you even bothered to read the post from the guy that runs that big educational video lab.
If iMovie doesn't work for them, and they are loath to, variously, pin their hopes on an orphaned piece of older software that will never be updated again and will probably steadily lose compatibility with OS X, cross their fingers and hope Apple adds back in some functionality at some point, or spend a great deal of money on software upgrades, what shall we tell them?
What shall we tell all the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool?
"Dear Apple Customer: Too bad. We're all about the switchers now, who don't now any better and are just grateful for an app that doesn't crash. You are whiny babies, fuck off.
I think your concerns about the new iMovie are valid. However I see this as really a new app and not so much an upgrade to an existing product. I think Apple recognize this as well since they allow users to download the old version of iMovie to use instead if they prefer. As such, I think that Apple will add features in as time goes on. Certainly there's no guarantee but it would make a lot of sense. Will it ever have all the features that the old iMovie had? Who knows. But if they were able to add in 80% of the old features and combine that with the new and simpler way of working with video I think it could be a terrific result. Let's hope that's where this is heading. I believe Apple know that they need to improve iMovie given the talk on numerous discussion boards.
Ok lets see this ..... I go buy 5 brand new Intel Macs, One does not work at all, so I get a free g4 machine and get to keep all 5 Intel Macs even though 1 of them don't work and will not be repaired, but Apple gets to keep the price of all 5 Macs.
Would you say this is fair? Is it a good value?
I do not think so, why should I pay for iLife 08 full price but only receive 4 working applications? Like the above example, I get a copy of iMovie 06, but I already have a previous version, so it has zero value to me also.
Us PPC G4 users are getting screwed on iLife, specially if you have the previous version.
They should have integrated the functionality of iMovie '08 into iPhoto rather than replacing the old iMovie. The functionality has a lot of overlap anyway, and you can use iPhoto for video clips already.
Like Apple owes you anything. Just last week the new iLife did not exist. You were happy. Now Apple releases an *early initial release* of a suite with a *2 year product cycle* things are not perfect, and you flip.
Go get a life. Make something yourself. Apple makes wonderful things all the time. They improve them constantly in response to user input. Their software improvement regime is exceptionally good -- I would say legendary. Their OS bug fixing is exemplary.
Who are you talking about? Have you lost your respect for Apple? Then, whom do you respect? Who gives you stuff this good for $79, with the strong expectation of many download bug fixes and minor upgrades along the way?
There is no friendlier company than Apple. Get off your high horses and shut the hell up.
Even in terms of legacy OS support, Apple is very good. I have 6 and 7 year old machines that still sync up to Apple for security bug fixes. No hassle. Apple has been good to me. iLife 08 is just part of it, NO bad signs.
The feature loss is due to the new platform and not enough time to code. It will be fixed. Relax people, my god. No one lusts after vintage Apple software; their sequels ALWAYS end up being better. It may take a few revisions but ALWAYS Apple comes through. Jesus Christ.
Thats bs... I've listened to these statements about apple doing this, adding that, 'it will be fixed or updated'... Fact is you know as much as I do about their plan, and thats squat.
Seriously?
Well I've been using Apple's stuff for 20 years now, and in the experiences I've had Apple's done just what I said above. I wouldn't just spew random crud onto these message boards without sufficient reason. That's why I gave some examples, to back up the theory.
I strongly believe a lot of the irks people have with iMovie will be resolved. It's the process every one of Apple's iLife apps goes through. Sure Apple may take a while, but they listen, they improve, and they do, despite what some people may think, go the extra mile in most cases. Especially with their iLife suite. This is their flagship product line, their lure for new Apple users and old ones, and I think there's huge necessity to keep it functional, simple and cutting edge.
There's no need to complain really, but if you feel there's something very wrong, a well structured note of feedback to Apple won't go by unnoticed. That's why the forms are there.
It should also be noted that it seems .MOV video shot on Kodak digital cameras is not supported with iMovie 08 either. I have the Kodak V610 and iMovie 08 will not recognize any of my .MOV files (which currently play in my QuickTime and were easily imported into my iPhoto). Other Kodak users who posted to Apple's support site have also mentioned similar problems. While an update is probably forthcoming, I'm a little disheartened by this very unApple-like sloppy release. Not-to-mention the keynote was met with a rather "ho-hum" reaction from the crowd in attendance. It just seems like resources over the last year were poured into the iPhone and then haphazardly redirected to Mac products. I hope this is not a trend of the future.
Nice. You just reiterate every talking point that's already been proffered for why it's really wrong for Apple's customers to want anything other than what it gives them, without bothering to address any of the many caveats that have been laid out, and cap it off by dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as a whiny child.
Which would make you what, exactly? I leave that for you to ponder, but I wonder if you even bothered to read the post from the guy that runs that big educational video lab.
If iMovie doesn't work for them, and they are loath to, variously, pin their hopes on an orphaned piece of older software that will never be updated again and will probably steadily lose compatibility with OS X, cross their fingers and hope Apple adds back in some functionality at some point, or spend a great deal of money on software upgrades, what shall we tell them?
What shall we tell all the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool?
"Dear Apple Customer: Too bad. We're all about the switchers now, who don't now any better and are just grateful for an app that doesn't crash. You are whiny babies, fuck off.
Love, Apple"
What shall we tell the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a teaching tool? How about this: "Hey educational labs, keep using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool!"
At my university we finally bought an intel iMac lab last year. Up until then we had been using G3 iMacs on 10.3, and whatever version of iMovie ran best on that processor. And they worked great. I'm sorry if you were offended but I stand by my comment.
As I mentioned, I was peeved for about a day about the huge number of Slick plugins I couldn't use and then the Slick support team sent me a very intelligent e-mail that said, basically "We're working on it, iMovie HD still works great." Being the "Mac guy" at the two schools I work for, people constantly come up to me and either complain that Apple just released a new version of this, that, or the other, a month, a week, six weeks after they just bought a Mac.
And I'm always baffled by it.
My response is, "Were you happy with your computer before product X came out?" Yes. "Does your computer still do all the things it did when you bought it?" Yes. "Does your computer still work fine?" Yes. "Well then, what do you have to be unhappy about?"
The principal is the same here. *Except* that there is even *less* validity to the complaints since, again, try to follow me here, iLife 08 is completely, utterly, totally optional! You can actually not buy it *at all* and your Mac will still work! When someone complains about an upgrade that they would have had for free if they had waited a few more weeks to buy their Mac, that can be annoying. Still not a big deal and certainly not "unfair" in any way, but annoying. With iLife, even that slim argument doesn't hold water.
If your point is that the new iMovie sucks and you think it's a bad product, fine. I don't like everything Apple puts out. In fact, up until this newest version, I thought Pages was an out and out dog. Not flexible enough to be a good word processor and too simplistic to be a good layout tool. Here, again, I employed this amazing technique: I didn't *buy it.*
And, for the record, the new iMovie is *not* a crappy product at all. It is easier to use than iMovie HD which, as I recall, was the whole point of it. It is not iMovie HD, nor did anyone at Apple claim that it was.
If I am mischaracterizing your (or anyone's) point-of-view, I apologize, but the clear tone of a lot of these posts is: "Apple done me wrong! Mean, mean Apple broke teh iMovies!" No, they didn't. On either count.
Let's close with the facts:
-iLife 08 is a completely optional piece of software
-Apple made a glut of information about it freely available hours after it was launched
-iLife 08 is suite of five applications for 79 bucks all of which are considered "best in class."
-iMovie HD is not "orphaned" it works just fine and probably will for the foreseeable future. It's an app, not an OS. It doesn't live or die by updates. The vast majority of software made for 10.2, released in the summer of 2002, still works on 10.4 five years later. There is no reason to think iMovie HD won't as well.
Given those facts I did, and still do, think that pretending that Apple has done something "unfair" to you or anyone else is whiny and childish. Now if you just think the new iMovie sucks, so be it.
But unless it has become somehow wrong for a company to release a new suite of apps that is completely optional (and a hell of a value to boot), then Apple hasn't wronged anyone, treated anyone unfairly, or screwed anyone at all.
If you buy iLife 08 you have, at worst, lost *nothing* (not even your older version of iMovie) and gained significant new functionality in most of the suite for 79 bucks.
And then there is the option of just not buying and again, losing nothing *at all.*
Ok lets see this ..... I go buy 5 brand new Intel Macs, One does not work at all, so I get a free g4 machine and get to keep all 5 Intel Macs even though 1 of them don't work and will not be repaired, but Apple gets to keep the price of all 5 Macs.
Would you say this is fair? Is it a good value?
For real? Because if this is true, if you did buy 5 iMacs, and one didn't work, and you told Apple I'm certain they would replace it with another iMac. Absolutely certain. The warranty covers it, I don't know why you got a G4 as a replacement.. that makes no sense.
As long as you bought it from Apple or an Apple reseller there's no question about replacing faulty or defective hardware at no charge within the warranty period.
Keep in mind also that Apple makes iLife to help drive mac sales. Any mac made in the last few years should run iLife '08. If your mac is older than that, well hopefully it's made you back the money you spent on it by now and enough to buy a new one?
What shall we tell the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a teaching tool? How about this: "Hey educational labs, keep using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool!"
At my university we finally bought an intel iMac lab last year. Up until then we had been using G3 iMacs on 10.3, and whatever version of iMovie ran best on that processor. And they worked great. I'm sorry if you were offended but I stand by my comment.
As I mentioned, I was peeved for about a day about the huge number of Slick plugins I couldn't use and then the Slick support team sent me a very intelligent e-mail that said, basically "We're working on it, iMovie HD still works great." Being the "Mac guy" at the two schools I work for, people constantly come up to me and either complain that Apple just released a new version of this, that, or the other, a month, a week, six weeks after they just bought a Mac.
And I'm always baffled by it.
My response is, "Were you happy with your computer before product X came out?" Yes. "Does your computer still do all the things it did when you bought it?" Yes. "Does your computer still work fine?" Yes. "Well then, what do you have to be unhappy about?"
The principal is the same here. *Except* that there is even *less* validity to the complaints since, again, try to follow me here, iLife 08 is completely, utterly, totally optional! You can actually not buy it *at all* and your Mac will still work! When someone complains about an upgrade that they would have had for free if they had waited a few more weeks to buy their Mac, that can be annoying. Still not a big deal and certainly not "unfair" in any way, but annoying. With iLife, even that slim argument doesn't hold water.
If your point is that the new iMovie sucks and you think it's a bad product, fine. I don't like everything Apple puts out. In fact, up until this newest version, I thought Pages was an out and out dog. Not flexible enough to be a good word processor and too simplistic to be a good layout tool. Here, again, I employed this amazing technique: I didn't *buy it.*
And, for the record, the new iMovie is *not* a crappy product at all. It is easier to use than iMovie HD which, as I recall, was the whole point of it. It is not iMovie HD, nor did anyone at Apple claim that it was.
If I am mischaracterizing your (or anyone's) point-of-view, I apologize, but the clear tone of a lot of these posts is: "Apple done me wrong! Mean, mean Apple broke teh iMovies!" No, they didn't. On either count.
Let's close with the facts:
-iLife 08 is a completely optional piece of software
-Apple made a glut of information about it freely available hours after it was launched
-iLife 08 is suite of five applications for 79 bucks all of which are considered "best in class."
-iMovie HD is not "orphaned" it works just fine and probably will for the foreseeable future. It's an app, not an OS. It doesn't live or die by updates. The vast majority of software made for 10.2, released in the summer of 2002, still works on 10.4 five years later. There is no reason to think iMovie HD won't as well.
Given those facts I did, and still do, think that pretending that Apple has done something "unfair" to you or anyone else is whiny and childish. Now if you just think the new iMovie sucks, so be it.
But unless it has become somehow wrong for a company to release a new suite of apps that is completely optional (and a hell of a value to boot), then Apple hasn't wronged anyone, treated anyone unfairly, or screwed anyone at all.
If you buy iLife 08 you have, at worst, lost *nothing* (not even your older version of iMovie) and gained significant new functionality in most of the suite for 79 bucks.
And then there is the option of just not buying and again, losing nothing *at all.*
Look, I get it. You don't understand why anyone would ever have misgivings about the direction a platform is taking, as evidenced by the quality of the apps, because you're one of those horrible little Apple sycophants who thinks the appropriate relationship of customer to vendor is one of worshipful gratitude.
I've been using Macs for over 20 years, it is my platform of choice, I care about the direction Apple takes. Most of what they do I like a lot, some of it is so-so, and very occasionally they do something really inexplicable, that causes me concern for the trends within the company.
So when that happens, I will fucking well bellyache about it on a fucking mac discussion board, and I don't want to listen some patronizing asshole start holding forth about how everything is hunky dory in candy fucking colored Apple land and everybody who thinks otherwise just needs to just STFU already so you can get back to your mindless cheerleading.
Look, I get it. You don't understand why anyone would ever have misgivings about the direction a platform is taking, as evidenced by the quality of the apps, because you're one of those horrible little Apple sycophants who thinks the appropriate relationship of customer to vendor is one of worshipful gratitude.
I've been using Macs for over 20 years, it is my platform of choice, I care about the direction Apple takes. Most of what they do I like a lot, some of it is so-so, and very occasionally they do something really inexplicable, that causes me concern for the trends within the company.
So when that happens, I will fucking well bellyache about it on a fucking mac discussion board, and I don't want to listen some patronizing asshole start holding forth about how everything is hunky dory in candy fucking colored Apple land and everybody who thinks otherwise just needs to just STFU already so you can get back to your mindless cheerleading.
OK?
Beautiful!!!!!
If you don't care, FINE - don't care. But, if you do care, express it loudly and make a difference.
I thought I had registered on here before but oh well... don't ignore me because this is my first post.
I am in the same boat as many of you, upset with the new iMovie.
My quick comments:
1. You can edit each transition length seperately... it just sucks. Go to the Project properties, select "Applies when added to project", slide the slider to the length you want your next transition to be, go back to the movie, add the transition, and repeat as needed.
2. Do what I did and write a three page letter you planned to send in the old fashioned mail until you saw there was a "iMovie feedback" menu provided and paste your griefs there. I took several hours working in a project to test the program. I then spent several more to write my issues out, was very VERY clear on what bothered me, where it lacked, where improvments should be made, and where iMovie HD just clearly blows 7.0 out of the water. Maybe they will consider the feedback - maybe not. Who knows. I don't feel any better about my money spent on iLife, but at least iWork has been awesome so far. Not a complete let down.\
For real? Because if this is true, if you did buy 5 iMacs, and one didn't work, and you told Apple I'm certain they would replace it with another iMac. Absolutely certain. The warranty covers it, I don't know why you got a G4 as a replacement.. that makes no sense.
As long as you bought it from Apple or an Apple reseller there's no question about replacing faulty or defective hardware at no charge within the warranty period.
Keep in mind also that Apple makes iLife to help drive mac sales. Any mac made in the last few years should run iLife '08. If your mac is older than that, well hopefully it's made you back the money you spent on it by now and enough to buy a new one?
Jimzip
You missed the point I was making. If it is not ok to buy 5 computers and get 4, then why is it ok to buy a suite of 5 applications and only get 4?
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As an administrator and tech buyer for a large school system with 1,100 Macs and 4,000 PCs I believe this "downgrade" will make it hard to justify buying more Macs and probably lead to more Windows machines in schools replacing Macs. Apple's reputation for creativity is lost if the iLife suite bundled on education Macs cannot compete with Windows offerings and their generally lower prices. The basic software that comes with our new digicams actually has more editing features than the new iMovie. Editing is where we teach most of our film studies creativity now. The jobs and the action are in the post-shoot phase of production. iMovie before version 7 was a terrific introduction to these methods. Stripping these features compromises years worth of structured, proven lesson plans.
So our media programs cannot use what is bundled with the Mac. Apple's response from its education sale department is that 13 year-olds should be using Final Cut and that schools should be spending extra money for that powerful a program. I do not agree and we have had some testy words. Final Cut is not usable at home for most students. It does more than necessary. It adds huge cost per work station. Windows software has none of those disadvantages. Apple's education sales people have become very, very defensive and are not returning calls. They are clearly embarrassed. There are huge costs and lost sale involved.
The iMovie 6 HD "free" release does nothing to solve this problem. Apple is only signaling that the program has no long term support or upgrade potential. It will not be updated to meet new codecs and camera protocols as the industry evolves. Schools cannot buy hardware for software with no future.
Taking features out of iMovie was a very stupid move by Apple. I would prefer buying Macs for our labs, but Apple makes it so difficult, when it does not have to be. They have a very short time frame in which to correct a serious mistake.
Apple might as well remove iDVD from all new Macs and from the iLife package. It is now just as useless and pointless and iMovie.
Bottom line, iMovie 8 is now in league with the crappy Windows options we've all been laughing at for the past 4 years. Congratulations Apple, you've finally caught Microsoft...too bad you got there by going in reverse.
-I was displeased with iMovie 08 being unable to use my Slick effects. Yes, the functionality is reduced but it is a far simpler app to use. It really is less bloated and, yes, for most people, iMovie HD is too complicated. I teach a course on using technology in education and most teachers do find iMovie HD a bit daunting and complicated. Relax, the new iMovie will be fine. Apple will build in plugins, new features, etc.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
-The iLife suite is 79 bucks. Even assuming you *despise* the new iMovie, the value is still excellent. Not that anyone should hate the new iMovie because, worst case scenario, you now have a new, simple video editing app *and* iMovie HD!
-And why, on Earth, would anyone complain about software not being usable with certain computers? The specs are written *on the box.*
A lot of you really are just completely unreasonable Keep using iLife 06! It's still a great, great suite! Apple was very, very clear about the specs, the price, and the features of iLife 08. Apple.com is jam-packed with information and tutorials. No reasonable person can possibly claim they didn't know what they were getting with iLife 08.
And, of course, the most important fact is that, like most software, iLife 08 is completely, utterly *optional.*
I've never understood why someone would run out and buy a piece of software they haven't demoed, haven't read reviews for, and then have the audacity to complain about it. It just makes no sense at all. How about finding out what the app does and how it *behaves* before you buy it.
These complaints really do sound like the whining of petulant children for the most part.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
One day after installing the OS X 10.5.1 update:
"The application 'iMovie HD' unexpectedly quit . . ."
What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
Whenever there's a new operating system (Leopard coming!), many apps need an update. Some Panther apps didn't work at all in Tiger, some worked with only partial functionality. iMovie 06 may need an update to work fully in Leopard. Maybe it'll work great from the start, but sometime in the future if iMovie 06 is not updated, it could be broken. (Of course, if we "whiners" don't like it, we could always keep running Tiger).
The whole imac revision and ilife 08 was a bust , i just got my 24 inch imac in january and this update did not get me excited to upgrade , remember when apple use to make you spend every lads oller you had just to upgrade in 6 months , i slowly losing my fanboyism , I'm starting to feel like the share holders and the board members at Apple brain washing Stev and he's forgetting about the ''Amazingly great products'' part about apple
Every six months? That's wacky, I just don't get it. Even in my worst in my PC years, I don't think I've upgraded or replaced a given computer more than once a year. When I had an Alpha workstation, I had the same machine as my primary system for five years, though did minor upgrades on memory and drives.
Okay, everyone else is throwing their two cents in so I'll do the same...
-I was displeased with iMovie 08 being unable to use my Slick effects. Yes, the functionality is reduced but it is a far simpler app to use. It really is less bloated and, yes, for most people, iMovie HD is too complicated. I teach a course on using technology in education and most teachers do find iMovie HD a bit daunting and complicated. Relax, the new iMovie will be fine. Apple will build in plugins, new features, etc.
-iMovie HD didn't suddenly stop working. Its still there and its still great! What "support" is it that you think Apple is going to take away? IMovie HD edits video. What "updates" do you need? It's like being worried that your screwdriver isn't going to be updated. It's a tool and it still works great.
-The iLife suite is 79 bucks. Even assuming you *despise* the new iMovie, the value is still excellent. Not that anyone should hate the new iMovie because, worst case scenario, you now have a new, simple video editing app *and* iMovie HD!
-And why, on Earth, would anyone complain about software not being usable with certain computers? The specs are written *on the box.*
A lot of you really are just completely unreasonable Keep using iLife 06! It's still a great, great suite! Apple was very, very clear about the specs, the price, and the features of iLife 08. Apple.com is jam-packed with information and tutorials. No reasonable person can possibly claim they didn't know what they were getting with iLife 08.
And, of course, the most important fact is that, like most software, iLife 08 is completely, utterly *optional.*
I've never understood why someone would run out and buy a piece of software they haven't demoed, haven't read reviews for, and then have the audacity to complain about it. It just makes no sense at all. How about finding out what the app does and how it *behaves* before you buy it.
These complaints really do sound like the whining of petulant children for the most part.
Nice. You just reiterate every talking point that's already been proffered for why it's really wrong for Apple's customers to want anything other than what it gives them, without bothering to address any of the many caveats that have been laid out, and cap it off by dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as a whiny child.
Which would make you what, exactly? I leave that for you to ponder, but I wonder if you even bothered to read the post from the guy that runs that big educational video lab.
If iMovie doesn't work for them, and they are loath to, variously, pin their hopes on an orphaned piece of older software that will never be updated again and will probably steadily lose compatibility with OS X, cross their fingers and hope Apple adds back in some functionality at some point, or spend a great deal of money on software upgrades, what shall we tell them?
What shall we tell all the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool?
"Dear Apple Customer: Too bad. We're all about the switchers now, who don't now any better and are just grateful for an app that doesn't crash. You are whiny babies, fuck off.
Love, Apple"
I think your concerns about the new iMovie are valid. However I see this as really a new app and not so much an upgrade to an existing product. I think Apple recognize this as well since they allow users to download the old version of iMovie to use instead if they prefer. As such, I think that Apple will add features in as time goes on. Certainly there's no guarantee but it would make a lot of sense. Will it ever have all the features that the old iMovie had? Who knows. But if they were able to add in 80% of the old features and combine that with the new and simpler way of working with video I think it could be a terrific result. Let's hope that's where this is heading. I believe Apple know that they need to improve iMovie given the talk on numerous discussion boards.
Would you say this is fair? Is it a good value?
I do not think so, why should I pay for iLife 08 full price but only receive 4 working applications? Like the above example, I get a copy of iMovie 06, but I already have a previous version, so it has zero value to me also.
Us PPC G4 users are getting screwed on iLife, specially if you have the previous version.
Like Apple owes you anything. Just last week the new iLife did not exist. You were happy. Now Apple releases an *early initial release* of a suite with a *2 year product cycle* things are not perfect, and you flip.
Go get a life. Make something yourself. Apple makes wonderful things all the time. They improve them constantly in response to user input. Their software improvement regime is exceptionally good -- I would say legendary. Their OS bug fixing is exemplary.
Who are you talking about? Have you lost your respect for Apple? Then, whom do you respect? Who gives you stuff this good for $79, with the strong expectation of many download bug fixes and minor upgrades along the way?
There is no friendlier company than Apple. Get off your high horses and shut the hell up.
Even in terms of legacy OS support, Apple is very good. I have 6 and 7 year old machines that still sync up to Apple for security bug fixes. No hassle. Apple has been good to me. iLife 08 is just part of it, NO bad signs.
The feature loss is due to the new platform and not enough time to code. It will be fixed. Relax people, my god. No one lusts after vintage Apple software; their sequels ALWAYS end up being better. It may take a few revisions but ALWAYS Apple comes through. Jesus Christ.
Thats bs... I've listened to these statements about apple doing this, adding that, 'it will be fixed or updated'... Fact is you know as much as I do about their plan, and thats squat.
Seriously?
Well I've been using Apple's stuff for 20 years now, and in the experiences I've had Apple's done just what I said above. I wouldn't just spew random crud onto these message boards without sufficient reason. That's why I gave some examples, to back up the theory.
I strongly believe a lot of the irks people have with iMovie will be resolved. It's the process every one of Apple's iLife apps goes through. Sure Apple may take a while, but they listen, they improve, and they do, despite what some people may think, go the extra mile in most cases. Especially with their iLife suite. This is their flagship product line, their lure for new Apple users and old ones, and I think there's huge necessity to keep it functional, simple and cutting edge.
There's no need to complain really, but if you feel there's something very wrong, a well structured note of feedback to Apple won't go by unnoticed. That's why the forms are there.
Jimzip
Nice. You just reiterate every talking point that's already been proffered for why it's really wrong for Apple's customers to want anything other than what it gives them, without bothering to address any of the many caveats that have been laid out, and cap it off by dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as a whiny child.
Which would make you what, exactly? I leave that for you to ponder, but I wonder if you even bothered to read the post from the guy that runs that big educational video lab.
If iMovie doesn't work for them, and they are loath to, variously, pin their hopes on an orphaned piece of older software that will never be updated again and will probably steadily lose compatibility with OS X, cross their fingers and hope Apple adds back in some functionality at some point, or spend a great deal of money on software upgrades, what shall we tell them?
What shall we tell all the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool?
"Dear Apple Customer: Too bad. We're all about the switchers now, who don't now any better and are just grateful for an app that doesn't crash. You are whiny babies, fuck off.
Love, Apple"
What shall we tell the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a teaching tool? How about this: "Hey educational labs, keep using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool!"
At my university we finally bought an intel iMac lab last year. Up until then we had been using G3 iMacs on 10.3, and whatever version of iMovie ran best on that processor. And they worked great. I'm sorry if you were offended but I stand by my comment.
As I mentioned, I was peeved for about a day about the huge number of Slick plugins I couldn't use and then the Slick support team sent me a very intelligent e-mail that said, basically "We're working on it, iMovie HD still works great." Being the "Mac guy" at the two schools I work for, people constantly come up to me and either complain that Apple just released a new version of this, that, or the other, a month, a week, six weeks after they just bought a Mac.
And I'm always baffled by it.
My response is, "Were you happy with your computer before product X came out?" Yes. "Does your computer still do all the things it did when you bought it?" Yes. "Does your computer still work fine?" Yes. "Well then, what do you have to be unhappy about?"
The principal is the same here. *Except* that there is even *less* validity to the complaints since, again, try to follow me here, iLife 08 is completely, utterly, totally optional! You can actually not buy it *at all* and your Mac will still work! When someone complains about an upgrade that they would have had for free if they had waited a few more weeks to buy their Mac, that can be annoying. Still not a big deal and certainly not "unfair" in any way, but annoying. With iLife, even that slim argument doesn't hold water.
If your point is that the new iMovie sucks and you think it's a bad product, fine. I don't like everything Apple puts out. In fact, up until this newest version, I thought Pages was an out and out dog. Not flexible enough to be a good word processor and too simplistic to be a good layout tool. Here, again, I employed this amazing technique: I didn't *buy it.*
And, for the record, the new iMovie is *not* a crappy product at all. It is easier to use than iMovie HD which, as I recall, was the whole point of it. It is not iMovie HD, nor did anyone at Apple claim that it was.
If I am mischaracterizing your (or anyone's) point-of-view, I apologize, but the clear tone of a lot of these posts is: "Apple done me wrong! Mean, mean Apple broke teh iMovies!" No, they didn't. On either count.
Let's close with the facts:
-iLife 08 is a completely optional piece of software
-Apple made a glut of information about it freely available hours after it was launched
-iLife 08 is suite of five applications for 79 bucks all of which are considered "best in class."
-iMovie HD is not "orphaned" it works just fine and probably will for the foreseeable future. It's an app, not an OS. It doesn't live or die by updates. The vast majority of software made for 10.2, released in the summer of 2002, still works on 10.4 five years later. There is no reason to think iMovie HD won't as well.
Given those facts I did, and still do, think that pretending that Apple has done something "unfair" to you or anyone else is whiny and childish. Now if you just think the new iMovie sucks, so be it.
But unless it has become somehow wrong for a company to release a new suite of apps that is completely optional (and a hell of a value to boot), then Apple hasn't wronged anyone, treated anyone unfairly, or screwed anyone at all.
If you buy iLife 08 you have, at worst, lost *nothing* (not even your older version of iMovie) and gained significant new functionality in most of the suite for 79 bucks.
And then there is the option of just not buying and again, losing nothing *at all.*
Ok lets see this ..... I go buy 5 brand new Intel Macs, One does not work at all, so I get a free g4 machine and get to keep all 5 Intel Macs even though 1 of them don't work and will not be repaired, but Apple gets to keep the price of all 5 Macs.
Would you say this is fair? Is it a good value?
For real? Because if this is true, if you did buy 5 iMacs, and one didn't work, and you told Apple I'm certain they would replace it with another iMac. Absolutely certain. The warranty covers it, I don't know why you got a G4 as a replacement.. that makes no sense.
As long as you bought it from Apple or an Apple reseller there's no question about replacing faulty or defective hardware at no charge within the warranty period.
Keep in mind also that Apple makes iLife to help drive mac sales. Any mac made in the last few years should run iLife '08. If your mac is older than that, well hopefully it's made you back the money you spent on it by now and enough to buy a new one?
Jimzip
-iLife 08 is suite of five applications for 79 bucks all of which are considered "best in class."
You should put stupid shit like this at the beginning of your post, so I wouldn't have to waste my time getting to it.
What shall we tell the educational labs that have been using iMovie as a teaching tool? How about this: "Hey educational labs, keep using iMovie as a great interactive teaching tool!"
At my university we finally bought an intel iMac lab last year. Up until then we had been using G3 iMacs on 10.3, and whatever version of iMovie ran best on that processor. And they worked great. I'm sorry if you were offended but I stand by my comment.
As I mentioned, I was peeved for about a day about the huge number of Slick plugins I couldn't use and then the Slick support team sent me a very intelligent e-mail that said, basically "We're working on it, iMovie HD still works great." Being the "Mac guy" at the two schools I work for, people constantly come up to me and either complain that Apple just released a new version of this, that, or the other, a month, a week, six weeks after they just bought a Mac.
And I'm always baffled by it.
My response is, "Were you happy with your computer before product X came out?" Yes. "Does your computer still do all the things it did when you bought it?" Yes. "Does your computer still work fine?" Yes. "Well then, what do you have to be unhappy about?"
The principal is the same here. *Except* that there is even *less* validity to the complaints since, again, try to follow me here, iLife 08 is completely, utterly, totally optional! You can actually not buy it *at all* and your Mac will still work! When someone complains about an upgrade that they would have had for free if they had waited a few more weeks to buy their Mac, that can be annoying. Still not a big deal and certainly not "unfair" in any way, but annoying. With iLife, even that slim argument doesn't hold water.
If your point is that the new iMovie sucks and you think it's a bad product, fine. I don't like everything Apple puts out. In fact, up until this newest version, I thought Pages was an out and out dog. Not flexible enough to be a good word processor and too simplistic to be a good layout tool. Here, again, I employed this amazing technique: I didn't *buy it.*
And, for the record, the new iMovie is *not* a crappy product at all. It is easier to use than iMovie HD which, as I recall, was the whole point of it. It is not iMovie HD, nor did anyone at Apple claim that it was.
If I am mischaracterizing your (or anyone's) point-of-view, I apologize, but the clear tone of a lot of these posts is: "Apple done me wrong! Mean, mean Apple broke teh iMovies!" No, they didn't. On either count.
Let's close with the facts:
-iLife 08 is a completely optional piece of software
-Apple made a glut of information about it freely available hours after it was launched
-iLife 08 is suite of five applications for 79 bucks all of which are considered "best in class."
-iMovie HD is not "orphaned" it works just fine and probably will for the foreseeable future. It's an app, not an OS. It doesn't live or die by updates. The vast majority of software made for 10.2, released in the summer of 2002, still works on 10.4 five years later. There is no reason to think iMovie HD won't as well.
Given those facts I did, and still do, think that pretending that Apple has done something "unfair" to you or anyone else is whiny and childish. Now if you just think the new iMovie sucks, so be it.
But unless it has become somehow wrong for a company to release a new suite of apps that is completely optional (and a hell of a value to boot), then Apple hasn't wronged anyone, treated anyone unfairly, or screwed anyone at all.
If you buy iLife 08 you have, at worst, lost *nothing* (not even your older version of iMovie) and gained significant new functionality in most of the suite for 79 bucks.
And then there is the option of just not buying and again, losing nothing *at all.*
Look, I get it. You don't understand why anyone would ever have misgivings about the direction a platform is taking, as evidenced by the quality of the apps, because you're one of those horrible little Apple sycophants who thinks the appropriate relationship of customer to vendor is one of worshipful gratitude.
I've been using Macs for over 20 years, it is my platform of choice, I care about the direction Apple takes. Most of what they do I like a lot, some of it is so-so, and very occasionally they do something really inexplicable, that causes me concern for the trends within the company.
So when that happens, I will fucking well bellyache about it on a fucking mac discussion board, and I don't want to listen some patronizing asshole start holding forth about how everything is hunky dory in candy fucking colored Apple land and everybody who thinks otherwise just needs to just STFU already so you can get back to your mindless cheerleading.
OK?
Look, I get it. You don't understand why anyone would ever have misgivings about the direction a platform is taking, as evidenced by the quality of the apps, because you're one of those horrible little Apple sycophants who thinks the appropriate relationship of customer to vendor is one of worshipful gratitude.
I've been using Macs for over 20 years, it is my platform of choice, I care about the direction Apple takes. Most of what they do I like a lot, some of it is so-so, and very occasionally they do something really inexplicable, that causes me concern for the trends within the company.
So when that happens, I will fucking well bellyache about it on a fucking mac discussion board, and I don't want to listen some patronizing asshole start holding forth about how everything is hunky dory in candy fucking colored Apple land and everybody who thinks otherwise just needs to just STFU already so you can get back to your mindless cheerleading.
OK?
Beautiful!!!!!
If you don't care, FINE - don't care. But, if you do care, express it loudly and make a difference.
Agree totally
I am in the same boat as many of you, upset with the new iMovie.
My quick comments:
1. You can edit each transition length seperately... it just sucks. Go to the Project properties, select "Applies when added to project", slide the slider to the length you want your next transition to be, go back to the movie, add the transition, and repeat as needed.
2. Do what I did and write a three page letter you planned to send in the old fashioned mail until you saw there was a "iMovie feedback" menu provided and paste your griefs there. I took several hours working in a project to test the program. I then spent several more to write my issues out, was very VERY clear on what bothered me, where it lacked, where improvments should be made, and where iMovie HD just clearly blows 7.0 out of the water. Maybe they will consider the feedback - maybe not. Who knows. I don't feel any better about my money spent on iLife, but at least iWork has been awesome so far. Not a complete let down.
For real? Because if this is true, if you did buy 5 iMacs, and one didn't work, and you told Apple I'm certain they would replace it with another iMac. Absolutely certain. The warranty covers it, I don't know why you got a G4 as a replacement.. that makes no sense.
As long as you bought it from Apple or an Apple reseller there's no question about replacing faulty or defective hardware at no charge within the warranty period.
Keep in mind also that Apple makes iLife to help drive mac sales. Any mac made in the last few years should run iLife '08. If your mac is older than that, well hopefully it's made you back the money you spent on it by now and enough to buy a new one?
Jimzip
You missed the point I was making. If it is not ok to buy 5 computers and get 4, then why is it ok to buy a suite of 5 applications and only get 4?