Holy cow. Nearly a full page of gamer kid posturing. Could we please stay on topic for the denouement of this multi-year Blu-ray v. HD DVD epic?
Haha...
Didn't you know that PS3 turns every gamer into an AV enthusiast?... It's illegal to talk about Blu-Ray w/out mentioning PS3.
Kidding aside, PS3 is the most popular Blu-Ray player or blu-ray capable player. It probably the best option, unless you don't mine collecting profile 1.0/1.1/2.0 standalone players as them become available.
Oh - wait a minute, I am "level 40" that's it! We should re-define age to be levels, like in Wow, maybe that would get the respect for elders back into society.
Exlir - for some reason I thought that "too human" was a PS3 game, so you were right - but I still think that Epic will lose the lawsuits.
Well crap, I'm just level 39. I guess I need to grind more xp.
I just watched my Blu Ray Copy of Blade Runner last night and all I can say is, damn, that movie aged well.
you're honestly deranged. UT3 is going to play just as good and may even look better on the 360. the modding is a different story since xbox live is strict on user created content. frankly, i could careless about the modding.
i mean where in the world is the ps3 starting to show that its a better system?
xbox live- better
seriously, if i wanted to hear that kind of rebuttal i could go listen or read one of their famously asinine PR persons.
So according to you Live is better, except where its pointed out to you that its not, of which you say "I don't care"
Who is asinine again?
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and it isn't "I could care less" or even "careless" it is "I couldn't care less"
For the record, Microsoft has already stated that they will DEFINITELY not make a Blu-ray add on for the 360, or have anything to do with it for that matter.
And for the record, the PS3 hardware is far superior. The 360 hardware blows.
33% Failure rate? No thanks.
Link to the "no Blu-ray" comment please.
Why are M$ SO against F@H on the 360? it is A:Because we might see which machine completes a set task quicker, and they KNOW the 360 will show its weakness.
Or B:Because the 360 shouldn't be left switched on for 8-12 hours straight.
I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. Blu-ray is important to the games.
Look up La Noire. It's by Rockstar who did GTA.
They said it is impossible to make the game for the 360 due to the sheer size of the game.
Blu-ray is essential. And if UT is a bad port, it IS because the developers are incompetent.
Look at COD4. They had there best developers on the PS3 version. They did an amazing job, and they even said it wasn't difficult. Whoever makes bad ports just aren't trying.
I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. Blu-ray is important to the games.
Look up La Noire. It's by Rockstar who did GTA.
They said it is impossible to make the game for the 360 due to the sheer size of the game.
Blu-ray is essential. And if UT is a bad port, it IS because the developers are incompetent.
Look at COD4. They had there best developers on the PS3 version. They did an amazing job, and they even said it wasn't difficult. Whoever makes bad ports just aren't trying.
Think I mentioned a while back (last years thread) that aside from the movie studios there are all the GAME studios selling BD discs, thus bringing the pressing cost down for the movie studios.
N64 carts were 8Meg
PS1 CDs were 650Meg
PS2 DVDs were 4-9GB
PS3 BDs are 25-50GB
going from 8meg to 650meg was a stupendous move, who the hell needed THAT amount of data???
Where are the people that said that now? - posting in forums about how the 360 will be fine with 9GB limit
Think I mentioned a while back (last years thread) that aside from the movie studios there are all the GAME studios selling BD discs, thus bringing the pressing cost down for the movie studios.
N64 carts were 8Meg
PS1 CDs were 650Meg
PS2 DVDs were 4-9GB
PS3 BDs are 25-50GB
going from 8meg to 650meg was a stupendous move, who the hell needed THAT amount of data???
Where are the people that said that now? - posting in forums about how the 360 will be fine with 9GB limit
It REALY IS last gen.
Haha Wow, thanks for that data. That's a very good point.
Movie downloads I think are a nice capability. Sony wont approach the XBox Live until Home gets released. Once that's here then for gaming there will be parity if not superiority depending on how well Home works.
I'm excited about home. It looks stellar. I have the video saved on my PS3, and I usually erase them once I've watched them but this one was particularly interesting. I wonder if Sony has done any demo's at CES about it?
Sony hosted a press event at its booth today during the Consumer Electronics Show touting new interactive features being incorporated into the Blu-ray Disc format.
BD Live features will allow consumers to play games, hear live commentary and even create their own avatars to insert into a film, among other networking activities.
Sony's VP of advanced technologies Don Eklund demonstrated downloading a low-res movie on a Blu-ray Disc to the PlayStation Portable through the PlayStation 3. He also demonstrated sending a ring tone to a phone through a connected Blu-ray Disc.
The event came on the heels of Warner Home Video’s recent announcement that it will release its films exclusively on Blu-ray.
“The evidence is growing at a rather rapid rate that Blu-ray is dominating the field,” said critic Leonard Maltin, who hosted the event.
He interviewed producer Dean Devlin about the benefits of digital filmmaking and Blu-ray. Devlin noted that Godzilla had only two Technicolor prints; thus, the majority of moviegoers saw it in a less-than-perfect state on film.
“Now, with Blu-ray, for the first time people will be able to see it the way it was meant to be seen,” he said.
Devlin also praised the interactivity options on the new high-def format.
“It’s just going to expand that universe so much more,” he said.
“[A film] is no longer frozen in time,” Maltin added.
Later Monday evening, at a Blu-ray Disc press conference, the four Blu-ray-only studio presidents were joined by a fifth member: Warner Home Video president Ron Sanders. All the presidents predict a swift end to the format war and said it is incumbent for them to refocus their energy on educating consumers about high-def media.
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment’s Danny Kaye predicted that in 2008, consumer spending on Blu-ray Disc software will hit $1 billion, and an estimated 10 million Blu-ray playback devices, including PlayStation 3 consoles, will be in U.S. homes.
Speakers at the Blu-ray event also said that while Blu-ray awareness among consumers was 26% at the end of 2006, it’s now at 80%.
In response to a question from a member of the audience about whether Warner had been paid by Blu-ray to drop its support for HD DVD, Sanders chuckled and said, “I wish.”
“Any payment would just be a drop compared to getting it wrong in the consumer marketplace,” Sanders said.
In case you were wondering, Sony has learned nothing from its war with HD-DVD.
The Blu-Ray fanboys no doubt feel satisfied, knowing that Sony will now use a decade worth of Blu-Ray royalties to come up with all sorts of proprietary nonsense, with huge helpings of DRM.
I assume you are being sarcastic, but Rockstar said that there were many things they couldn't do with GTA IV because of disc space limitations. Going forward, apparently, Rockstar is doing games more exclusively for the PS3.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand...
Cutliff: Our dialogue is huge. We've always received comments that we've had the best dialogue in any sports game. Do some things get behind? Maybe a little bit, but our goal was to have people talking as they do in real life. We didn't want them to interrupt a comment that was going on if it wasn't an important situation. So comments might lag, but sometimes that's done on purpose to sound more like a true to life broadcast. Our dialogue has expanded exponentially. We have over ten gigs of audio. It's by far the largest script that's ever been done; it's a huge script. We have a full-time scriptwriter that writes all year long, so we've added that much more this year. The script gets larger every year.
So according to you Live is better, except where its pointed out to you that its not, of which you say "I don't care"
Who is asinine again?
-
and it isn't "I could care less" or even "careless" it is "I couldn't care less"
don't be a douchebag, please. the modding option in UT3 still has not proven to be very popular. If epic wants to do something similar on the 360 they can. halo 3 has a stripped down version of modding called forge.
you're taking that and creating an entire scenario where ps3's network offers a better solution to the xbox live. all of this in spite of industry wide acceptance that the ps3 network is far behind the xbox live service.
i guess i should stop cuz its just like arguing with a wall, or maybe like talking about osx's superiority over vista in a pro-PC forum.
don't be a douchebag, please. the modding option in UT3 still has not proven to be very popular. If epic wants to do something similar on the 360 they can. halo 3 has a stripped down version of modding called forge.
you're taking that and creating an entire scenario where ps3's network offers a better solution to the xbox live. all of this in spite of industry wide acceptance that the ps3 network is far behind the xbox live service.
i guess i should stop cuz its just like arguing with a wall, or maybe like talking about osx's superiority over vista in a pro-PC forum.
I want you to respond to what he said about the space issues, and those stats he posted.
And I want you to respond to what I said about La Noire.
Cutliff: Our dialogue is huge. We've always received comments that we've had the best dialogue in any sports game. Do some things get behind? Maybe a little bit, but our goal was to have people talking as they do in real life. We didn't want them to interrupt a comment that was going on if it wasn't an important situation. So comments might lag, but sometimes that's done on purpose to sound more like a true to life broadcast. Our dialogue has expanded exponentially. We have over ten gigs of audio. It's by far the largest script that's ever been done; it's a huge script. We have a full-time scriptwriter that writes all year long, so we've added that much more this year. The script gets larger every year.
Hot damn, that is awesome. I had the Show 07 and I will get 08 fo sho. Hopefully Sony improves on the jaggies and overall presentation, but it was my fav baseball game to date.
PS. Fishyesque, you totally missed my post about Rockstar in all this damn bickering between you and Elixir.
I hope more and more games start taking advantage of the addition disc space for improved audio, bigger maps, etc.
IThe Blu-Ray fanboys no doubt feel satisfied, knowing that Sony will now use a decade worth of Blu-Ray royalties to come up with all sorts of proprietary nonsense, with huge helpings of DRM.
This is getting old. Panasonic has at least as many patents in Blu-ray as Sony, and there are 20+ others involved.
I want you to respond to what he said about the space issues, and those stats he posted.
And I want you to respond to what I said about La Noire.
what space issues? there is yet to be a game where the bluray drive was truly needed. did you not read the post where i quoted the developer from harmonix?
the new GTA is going to be a massive game and it had no problem getting exclusive content to the 360 that the ps3 will not have on launch. again, space is not an issue.
you know whats an issue? the insane load times the ps3 has. do you know what they did? i'm sure someone with a ps3 could tell ya. they make you download 5gb worth of an update to decrease the load times.
it seems like a lot of people in here are still stuck on initial launch sony pr spin. for example, a few posts above someone was touting the "true hd capabilities" of the ps3. yeah, remember when they said their games would be running 1080p? nope, nada. most of their games barely run native 720p for christ sakes! and usually they run on lower frame rates! 360 games have been running 60fps, while most ps3 games run 30fps.
i thought these things were already widely known by everyone. i'm guessing its just the type of crowd in this thread that doesnt really care or follow the industry....must be, all this stuff is out there if you look.
Ya know? The whole game console pissing match is getting old. Can we stick to the whole BR vs. HD DVD thing and leave out the 360 unless you're talking about it with regard to HD DVD playback? Yeah, I'll bias toward the PS3 since all PS3's play Blu Ray.
For the record, I've got a Wii and a PS3 and they both get the same amount of play.
If there has to be a slugfest between PS3 and the 360, open a thread in General Discussion since it's not future hardware and isn't to do with Apple at all at any rate.
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Sunshine on Blu-ray = holy s***.
Holy cow. Nearly a full page of gamer kid posturing. Could we please stay on topic for the denouement of this multi-year Blu-ray v. HD DVD epic?
Haha...
Didn't you know that PS3 turns every gamer into an AV enthusiast?... It's illegal to talk about Blu-Ray w/out mentioning PS3.
Kidding aside, PS3 is the most popular Blu-Ray player or blu-ray capable player. It probably the best option, unless you don't mine collecting profile 1.0/1.1/2.0 standalone players as them become available.
Gamer kid? I'm 40 with a 20 year old daughter...
Oh - wait a minute, I am "level 40" that's it! We should re-define age to be levels, like in Wow, maybe that would get the respect for elders back into society.
Exlir - for some reason I thought that "too human" was a PS3 game, so you were right - but I still think that Epic will lose the lawsuits.
Well crap, I'm just level 39. I guess I need to grind more xp.
I just watched my Blu Ray Copy of Blade Runner last night and all I can say is, damn, that movie aged well.
you're honestly deranged. UT3 is going to play just as good and may even look better on the 360. the modding is a different story since xbox live is strict on user created content. frankly, i could careless about the modding.
i mean where in the world is the ps3 starting to show that its a better system?
xbox live- better
seriously, if i wanted to hear that kind of rebuttal i could go listen or read one of their famously asinine PR persons.
So according to you Live is better, except where its pointed out to you that its not, of which you say "I don't care"
Who is asinine again?
-
and it isn't "I could care less" or even "careless" it is "I couldn't care less"
For the record, Microsoft has already stated that they will DEFINITELY not make a Blu-ray add on for the 360, or have anything to do with it for that matter.
And for the record, the PS3 hardware is far superior. The 360 hardware blows.
33% Failure rate? No thanks.
Link to the "no Blu-ray" comment please.
Why are M$ SO against F@H on the 360? it is A:Because we might see which machine completes a set task quicker, and they KNOW the 360 will show its weakness.
Or B:Because the 360 shouldn't be left switched on for 8-12 hours straight.
Remember folks M$ will Kill your kid and not really give a shit, because thats the kind of company they are
Look up La Noire. It's by Rockstar who did GTA.
They said it is impossible to make the game for the 360 due to the sheer size of the game.
Blu-ray is essential. And if UT is a bad port, it IS because the developers are incompetent.
Look at COD4. They had there best developers on the PS3 version. They did an amazing job, and they even said it wasn't difficult. Whoever makes bad ports just aren't trying.
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending January 6th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1308/index.php
WE: BD-65% HDD-35% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%
It was a great Blu year indeed. I hope Apple makes it even better in '08 with some Blu-ray equipped iMacs, Mac Pros, MacBooks, and MacBook Pros.
I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. Blu-ray is important to the games.
Look up La Noire. It's by Rockstar who did GTA.
They said it is impossible to make the game for the 360 due to the sheer size of the game.
Blu-ray is essential. And if UT is a bad port, it IS because the developers are incompetent.
Look at COD4. They had there best developers on the PS3 version. They did an amazing job, and they even said it wasn't difficult. Whoever makes bad ports just aren't trying.
Think I mentioned a while back (last years thread) that aside from the movie studios there are all the GAME studios selling BD discs, thus bringing the pressing cost down for the movie studios.
N64 carts were 8Meg
PS1 CDs were 650Meg
PS2 DVDs were 4-9GB
PS3 BDs are 25-50GB
going from 8meg to 650meg was a stupendous move, who the hell needed THAT amount of data???
Where are the people that said that now? - posting in forums about how the 360 will be fine with 9GB limit
It REALY IS last gen.
Think I mentioned a while back (last years thread) that aside from the movie studios there are all the GAME studios selling BD discs, thus bringing the pressing cost down for the movie studios.
N64 carts were 8Meg
PS1 CDs were 650Meg
PS2 DVDs were 4-9GB
PS3 BDs are 25-50GB
going from 8meg to 650meg was a stupendous move, who the hell needed THAT amount of data???
Where are the people that said that now? - posting in forums about how the 360 will be fine with 9GB limit
It REALY IS last gen.
Haha Wow, thanks for that data. That's a very good point.
Movie downloads I think are a nice capability. Sony wont approach the XBox Live until Home gets released. Once that's here then for gaming there will be parity if not superiority depending on how well Home works.
I'm excited about home. It looks stellar. I have the video saved on my PS3, and I usually erase them once I've watched them but this one was particularly interesting. I wonder if Sony has done any demo's at CES about it?
Posted: January 7, 2008
Sony hosted a press event at its booth today during the Consumer Electronics Show touting new interactive features being incorporated into the Blu-ray Disc format.
BD Live features will allow consumers to play games, hear live commentary and even create their own avatars to insert into a film, among other networking activities.
Sony's VP of advanced technologies Don Eklund demonstrated downloading a low-res movie on a Blu-ray Disc to the PlayStation Portable through the PlayStation 3. He also demonstrated sending a ring tone to a phone through a connected Blu-ray Disc.
The event came on the heels of Warner Home Video’s recent announcement that it will release its films exclusively on Blu-ray.
“The evidence is growing at a rather rapid rate that Blu-ray is dominating the field,” said critic Leonard Maltin, who hosted the event.
He interviewed producer Dean Devlin about the benefits of digital filmmaking and Blu-ray. Devlin noted that Godzilla had only two Technicolor prints; thus, the majority of moviegoers saw it in a less-than-perfect state on film.
“Now, with Blu-ray, for the first time people will be able to see it the way it was meant to be seen,” he said.
Devlin also praised the interactivity options on the new high-def format.
“It’s just going to expand that universe so much more,” he said.
“[A film] is no longer frozen in time,” Maltin added.
Later Monday evening, at a Blu-ray Disc press conference, the four Blu-ray-only studio presidents were joined by a fifth member: Warner Home Video president Ron Sanders. All the presidents predict a swift end to the format war and said it is incumbent for them to refocus their energy on educating consumers about high-def media.
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment’s Danny Kaye predicted that in 2008, consumer spending on Blu-ray Disc software will hit $1 billion, and an estimated 10 million Blu-ray playback devices, including PlayStation 3 consoles, will be in U.S. homes.
Speakers at the Blu-ray event also said that while Blu-ray awareness among consumers was 26% at the end of 2006, it’s now at 80%.
In response to a question from a member of the audience about whether Warner had been paid by Blu-ray to drop its support for HD DVD, Sanders chuckled and said, “I wish.”
“Any payment would just be a drop compared to getting it wrong in the consumer marketplace,” Sanders said.
The Blu-Ray fanboys no doubt feel satisfied, knowing that Sony will now use a decade worth of Blu-Ray royalties to come up with all sorts of proprietary nonsense, with huge helpings of DRM.
I assume you are being sarcastic, but Rockstar said that there were many things they couldn't do with GTA IV because of disc space limitations. Going forward, apparently, Rockstar is doing games more exclusively for the PS3.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand...
Cutliff: Our dialogue is huge. We've always received comments that we've had the best dialogue in any sports game. Do some things get behind? Maybe a little bit, but our goal was to have people talking as they do in real life. We didn't want them to interrupt a comment that was going on if it wasn't an important situation. So comments might lag, but sometimes that's done on purpose to sound more like a true to life broadcast. Our dialogue has expanded exponentially. We have over ten gigs of audio. It's by far the largest script that's ever been done; it's a huge script. We have a full-time scriptwriter that writes all year long, so we've added that much more this year. The script gets larger every year.
Source
So according to you Live is better, except where its pointed out to you that its not, of which you say "I don't care"
Who is asinine again?
-
and it isn't "I could care less" or even "careless" it is "I couldn't care less"
don't be a douchebag, please. the modding option in UT3 still has not proven to be very popular. If epic wants to do something similar on the 360 they can. halo 3 has a stripped down version of modding called forge.
you're taking that and creating an entire scenario where ps3's network offers a better solution to the xbox live. all of this in spite of industry wide acceptance that the ps3 network is far behind the xbox live service.
i guess i should stop cuz its just like arguing with a wall, or maybe like talking about osx's superiority over vista in a pro-PC forum.
don't be a douchebag, please. the modding option in UT3 still has not proven to be very popular. If epic wants to do something similar on the 360 they can. halo 3 has a stripped down version of modding called forge.
you're taking that and creating an entire scenario where ps3's network offers a better solution to the xbox live. all of this in spite of industry wide acceptance that the ps3 network is far behind the xbox live service.
i guess i should stop cuz its just like arguing with a wall, or maybe like talking about osx's superiority over vista in a pro-PC forum.
I want you to respond to what he said about the space issues, and those stats he posted.
And I want you to respond to what I said about La Noire.
Cutliff: Our dialogue is huge. We've always received comments that we've had the best dialogue in any sports game. Do some things get behind? Maybe a little bit, but our goal was to have people talking as they do in real life. We didn't want them to interrupt a comment that was going on if it wasn't an important situation. So comments might lag, but sometimes that's done on purpose to sound more like a true to life broadcast. Our dialogue has expanded exponentially. We have over ten gigs of audio. It's by far the largest script that's ever been done; it's a huge script. We have a full-time scriptwriter that writes all year long, so we've added that much more this year. The script gets larger every year.
Source
Hot damn, that is awesome. I had the Show 07 and I will get 08 fo sho. Hopefully Sony improves on the jaggies and overall presentation, but it was my fav baseball game to date.
PS. Fishyesque, you totally missed my post about Rockstar in all this damn bickering between you and Elixir.
I hope more and more games start taking advantage of the addition disc space for improved audio, bigger maps, etc.
IThe Blu-Ray fanboys no doubt feel satisfied, knowing that Sony will now use a decade worth of Blu-Ray royalties to come up with all sorts of proprietary nonsense, with huge helpings of DRM.
This is getting old. Panasonic has at least as many patents in Blu-ray as Sony, and there are 20+ others involved.
I want you to respond to what he said about the space issues, and those stats he posted.
And I want you to respond to what I said about La Noire.
what space issues? there is yet to be a game where the bluray drive was truly needed. did you not read the post where i quoted the developer from harmonix?
the new GTA is going to be a massive game and it had no problem getting exclusive content to the 360 that the ps3 will not have on launch. again, space is not an issue.
you know whats an issue? the insane load times the ps3 has. do you know what they did? i'm sure someone with a ps3 could tell ya. they make you download 5gb worth of an update to decrease the load times.
it seems like a lot of people in here are still stuck on initial launch sony pr spin. for example, a few posts above someone was touting the "true hd capabilities" of the ps3. yeah, remember when they said their games would be running 1080p? nope, nada. most of their games barely run native 720p for christ sakes! and usually they run on lower frame rates! 360 games have been running 60fps, while most ps3 games run 30fps.
i thought these things were already widely known by everyone. i'm guessing its just the type of crowd in this thread that doesnt really care or follow the industry....must be, all this stuff is out there if you look.
For the record, I've got a Wii and a PS3 and they both get the same amount of play.
If there has to be a slugfest between PS3 and the 360, open a thread in General Discussion since it's not future hardware and isn't to do with Apple at all at any rate.