Having said that, I just got a Wii yesterday due to driving demand of the visiting nieces. Got lucky while shopping at toysrus. A line was forming quickly as soon as people found out the "Wii" was in stock. I don't think anyone will form a line for other game consoles out there. I'll be keeping it for the future visitors. I bought wii play, cross-bow training, and an nunchuck and have been much fun thus far.
The Wii phenomenon is unbelievable. Two Christmases gone, and still the must-have gadget.
I know someone who followed a Toys 'R Us truck around the city to find a Wii this Christmas. When the Balance Board and Mario Kart hit the streets, another wave of hide and seek shopping will ensue.
Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.
The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
Pfft.. So your saying the Wii coupled with a DVD player is important to the HD discussion in here? I think you've mistaken this as a PS3 thread, and are just trying to misdirect the fact your posting is out of context in this thread. No big deal, but a mere Oops.. would suffice.
It was not my intent to derail the thread, I just figured the gamers in this thread might know.
I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)
That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.
It was not my intent to derail the thread, I just figured the gamers in this thread might know.
I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)
That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.
Wouldn't most people just buy an upscaling DVD player if they wanted upscaled DVD's rather than a Wii? #1 it's cheaper. I paid $60 for mine. (sony)
Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.
Hm... I thought wii already had DVD drive and possible software download/upgrade may turn it into a dvd player? There's wii online shopping network and you can even purchase games and download directly.
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The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
This is so true. The PS3 was supposed to be the thunder for Blu-Ray, but the high price really killed it as game console but was/is still a great Blu-Ray player. When just looking at the US gaming market alone the units sold between Wii vs. PS3 is.... 8.2 Million vs. 3.4 Million as of 22nd of Dec. report.
What's interesting is that Wii only plays games right now. It doesn't even play SD-DVD..... LOL.
You're not making any sense. While the efficacy of TL51GB isn't public facing the ratification of the format is implicitly suggests that working prototypes exist.
Implicitly exists? So, what you are saying is that, your comparison is valid, because TL-51 disc existence is implied given a submission of ratification? Hmmm, if it is truly implied, then why haven't there been ANY sightings of a prototype WHATSOEVER? Implication only goes so far my friend.
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The comparison of BD100 or BD200 is poor because while prototypes may exist they haven't even been submitted for ratification to the BRD standard. So any "apples to apples" comparision still leaves you clutching for air. Thought is seems rather pointless to argue the point. Both formats top out at 1080p with <50Mbps throughput. A 100GB or 200GB is superfluous. Consumers have been taught that value comes through premium packaging. 2-Disc DVD sets.
The only "clutching" is that of an individual who "implicitly" suggests that TL-51 discs even exist. True, there is no real "apples to apples" comparison because on one hand, you don't even have a seed--in TL-51.
Furthermore, you are wrong about the throughput. Blu-ray has the higher throughput at 54 Mbps compared to HD DVD's 36 Mbps.
Also, I find it interesting that 100 GB or 200 GB is superfluous, but you have no problem touting the supposed advantages of TL-51 discs that don't even exist at this point in time. Contradict much?
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This isn't going to give way to whole series on a disc. The next "logical" step is HDD based persistent storage for storing favorite movies a la what people have on a DVR. Instant access to potentially terabytes of information.
I "like" that my Extended Edition LotR disc come on multiple discs. I like my Alien Quadrilogy and all the discs laid out. The next step for me isn't consolidating that stuff on one disc (that could be damaged) the next step is digital representation on a HDD that I can stream to multiple set top boxes in the home
For "computer guys" you guys are woefully archaic.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. What seems "logical" to you is beyond the necessary means of an average consumer. They want something tangible,...on a disc...that they know they own...much like the last X number of years in the home video market. This may change well into the future, but the time for mass consumer adoption of hard drive stored movies is certainly not now. I fully realize that is where companies like Apple and Microsoft are wanting to point the consumer, but it will take more of an effort on their part to get mass adoption...as you can obviously see in today's marketplace.
I don't want my movies stored on HDD though. I want a physical, tangible medium. I want cases and I want a collection. You don't want everything on one disc but you want them on one disc (hard drive), that makes a lot of sense. I want mine stored on an optical format and be able to back them up on a HDD. I am less worried about a very scratch resistant and well handled blu-ray disc being damaged than I am of a HDD. Hard Drives are much more delicate. Maybe ten years from now when there is a solid state solution, then I can jump on board.
I spoke to one of my customer service friends at Best Buy yesterday. She said that they have had numerous HD DVDs returned because people buy them thinking they will get HD video in a standard DVD player. It's not Best Buy's policy to accept opened media for returns, but it has been a real problem, so they are allowing to swap the discs for BDs or standard DVDs. HD DVD was a poor NAME choice for a media format.
Consumers aren't smart, for the most part. At Blockbuster they bring up a blu-ray copy of a movie and I read off the name and format (just in case) and they ask what blu-ray is and if it will work in their dvd player. A lot of people still have no clue at all. I am surprised how many people ask if it will play in a standard player.
I bought a 5-disc complete collector's edition HD-DVD set for $25 shipped from Amazon.
There are 3 HD-DVD's and 2 DVD's, and I beleive all the included contents are the same on BD & HD.
Bladerunner was a Christmas gift and given Amazon's timely shipping problems, the person buying the gift decided to go local even if it meant a higher price in order to be sure it was under the tree for Christmas.
Amazon orders are hit and miss on the shipping/delivery. I'm lucky compared to most, because most of my free shipping from amazon takes about 4 to 5 days at most. Most of my media orders usually ship from about 40 miles away from where I live and the actual delivery time is about 3 working days once shipped. I had received Blade Runner on the 24th, but I've yet to see the whole movie through. Twice I had tried watching it in the bedroom and did not make it through the film.
You're a lucky man getting such a fine HDM as a gift. Most of our family and friends exchange gifts for the kids, grand parents, and wives only and I usually end up giving than receiving. Actually, I did get something this year I guess. I used the $100 gift card on Wii accessories.
Um why do I care that the extras are in HD? I think people typically view the extras once or twice and that's it.
Did you just write that?
You didn't believe any of us earlier when we said that extras didn't matter, but now you make one of your famous turns.
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The soundtracks on a discs don't really matter. 12 languages? come on man I just need a good English track. I don't need Swahili.
No, but people speaking swahili might and it saves Warner money since they can have all localizations of HP on the same disc and manufacture them all at once.
This is the primary reason I favour HD-DVD. I know ripping will eventually be commonplace on this format. On Blu-Ray, Sony will do their best to lock up their content for sure, and make you buy it again for the next-gen server formats.
And yet Sony's movies use the same DRM as HD DVD movies (AACS).
Sorry, my fault. I assumed you would know better. Of course, there is no such movie master with audio encoded in 128k mp3, but there are movie masters that would sound worse than if it had been encoded in 128k mp3. Same goes for video, but that would be another topic.
If you mean bad sound then why don't you just say so?
But bad sound is not the reason why many HD DVD and BD movies only have 448k or 640k DD (or DD+ in HD DVD land) tracks - space is.
And why compress a bad master to make it even worse? (in your analogy try recompressing your mp3 into a new mp3).
You're not arguing that bad looking movies (intentionally or not) should only be released in SD, so why make a difference regarding sound?
Sound and picture should be as close to the master as possible now that we have a format to release it on.
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Having said that, I just got a Wii yesterday due to driving demand of the visiting nieces. Got lucky while shopping at toysrus. A line was forming quickly as soon as people found out the "Wii" was in stock. I don't think anyone will form a line for other game consoles out there. I'll be keeping it for the future visitors. I bought wii play, cross-bow training, and an nunchuck and have been much fun thus far.
The Wii phenomenon is unbelievable. Two Christmases gone, and still the must-have gadget.
I know someone who followed a Toys 'R Us truck around the city to find a Wii this Christmas. When the Balance Board and Mario Kart hit the streets, another wave of hide and seek shopping will ensue.
Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.
The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
Pfft.. So your saying the Wii coupled with a DVD player is important to the HD discussion in here? I think you've mistaken this as a PS3 thread, and are just trying to misdirect the fact your posting is out of context in this thread. No big deal, but a mere Oops.. would suffice.
I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)
That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.
It was not my intent to derail the thread, I just figured the gamers in this thread might know.
I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)
That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.
Wouldn't most people just buy an upscaling DVD player if they wanted upscaled DVD's rather than a Wii? #1 it's cheaper. I paid $60 for mine. (sony)
Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.
Hm... I thought wii already had DVD drive and possible software download/upgrade may turn it into a dvd player? There's wii online shopping network and you can even purchase games and download directly.
The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
This is so true. The PS3 was supposed to be the thunder for Blu-Ray, but the high price really killed it as game console but was/is still a great Blu-Ray player. When just looking at the US gaming market alone the units sold between Wii vs. PS3 is.... 8.2 Million vs. 3.4 Million as of 22nd of Dec. report.
What's interesting is that Wii only plays games right now. It doesn't even play SD-DVD..... LOL.
Oops.. Sorry that was last year.
You're not making any sense. While the efficacy of TL51GB isn't public facing the ratification of the format is implicitly suggests that working prototypes exist.
Implicitly exists? So, what you are saying is that, your comparison is valid, because TL-51 disc existence is implied given a submission of ratification? Hmmm, if it is truly implied, then why haven't there been ANY sightings of a prototype WHATSOEVER? Implication only goes so far my friend.
The comparison of BD100 or BD200 is poor because while prototypes may exist they haven't even been submitted for ratification to the BRD standard. So any "apples to apples" comparision still leaves you clutching for air. Thought is seems rather pointless to argue the point. Both formats top out at 1080p with <50Mbps throughput. A 100GB or 200GB is superfluous. Consumers have been taught that value comes through premium packaging. 2-Disc DVD sets.
The only "clutching" is that of an individual who "implicitly" suggests that TL-51 discs even exist. True, there is no real "apples to apples" comparison because on one hand, you don't even have a seed--in TL-51.
Furthermore, you are wrong about the throughput. Blu-ray has the higher throughput at 54 Mbps compared to HD DVD's 36 Mbps.
Also, I find it interesting that 100 GB or 200 GB is superfluous, but you have no problem touting the supposed advantages of TL-51 discs that don't even exist at this point in time. Contradict much?
This isn't going to give way to whole series on a disc. The next "logical" step is HDD based persistent storage for storing favorite movies a la what people have on a DVR. Instant access to potentially terabytes of information.
I "like" that my Extended Edition LotR disc come on multiple discs. I like my Alien Quadrilogy and all the discs laid out. The next step for me isn't consolidating that stuff on one disc (that could be damaged) the next step is digital representation on a HDD that I can stream to multiple set top boxes in the home
For "computer guys" you guys are woefully archaic.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. What seems "logical" to you is beyond the necessary means of an average consumer. They want something tangible,...on a disc...that they know they own...much like the last X number of years in the home video market. This may change well into the future, but the time for mass consumer adoption of hard drive stored movies is certainly not now. I fully realize that is where companies like Apple and Microsoft are wanting to point the consumer, but it will take more of an effort on their part to get mass adoption...as you can obviously see in today's marketplace.
I don't want my movies stored on HDD though. I want a physical, tangible medium. I want cases and I want a collection. You don't want everything on one disc but you want them on one disc (hard drive), that makes a lot of sense. I want mine stored on an optical format and be able to back them up on a HDD. I am less worried about a very scratch resistant and well handled blu-ray disc being damaged than I am of a HDD. Hard Drives are much more delicate. Maybe ten years from now when there is a solid state solution, then I can jump on board.
Spot on Cam'ron.
You mean Mitt Romney, the absolute KING of flip flopping. But I digress...
You certainly digress, as Mitt Romney is an upstanding fellow who is NOT a flip flopper...like John Kerry.
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I bought a 5-disc complete collector's edition HD-DVD set for $25 shipped from Amazon.
There are 3 HD-DVD's and 2 DVD's, and I beleive all the included contents are the same on BD & HD.
Bladerunner was a Christmas gift and given Amazon's timely shipping problems, the person buying the gift decided to go local even if it meant a higher price in order to be sure it was under the tree for Christmas.
You're a lucky man getting such a fine HDM as a gift. Most of our family and friends exchange gifts for the kids, grand parents, and wives only and I usually end up giving than receiving. Actually, I did get something this year I guess. I used the $100 gift card on Wii accessories.
Um why do I care that the extras are in HD? I think people typically view the extras once or twice and that's it.
Did you just write that?
You didn't believe any of us earlier when we said that extras didn't matter, but now you make one of your famous turns.
The soundtracks on a discs don't really matter. 12 languages? come on man I just need a good English track. I don't need Swahili.
No, but people speaking swahili might and it saves Warner money since they can have all localizations of HP on the same disc and manufacture them all at once.
This is the primary reason I favour HD-DVD. I know ripping will eventually be commonplace on this format. On Blu-Ray, Sony will do their best to lock up their content for sure, and make you buy it again for the next-gen server formats.
And yet Sony's movies use the same DRM as HD DVD movies (AACS).
Sorry, my fault. I assumed you would know better. Of course, there is no such movie master with audio encoded in 128k mp3, but there are movie masters that would sound worse than if it had been encoded in 128k mp3. Same goes for video, but that would be another topic.
If you mean bad sound then why don't you just say so?
But bad sound is not the reason why many HD DVD and BD movies only have 448k or 640k DD (or DD+ in HD DVD land) tracks - space is.
And why compress a bad master to make it even worse? (in your analogy try recompressing your mp3 into a new mp3).
You're not arguing that bad looking movies (intentionally or not) should only be released in SD, so why make a difference regarding sound?
Sound and picture should be as close to the master as possible now that we have a format to release it on.