Which they have been doing in multiple formats since the inception of the home video market. Remember, these are the people that put DVD region coding in place to artificially maintain geographic barriers for their markets.
Thats unfortunate for you then since the movie studios do need to care about what the rest of the world is using, since they'll be selling their movies in other territories than the US.
So are the studios going to come take away my HD DVDs since almost the entire movie-watching population is using standard-definition DVDs? Blu-Ray may have a larger share of the high-definition market outside North America, but I would bet the high-def to standard-def ratio outside of North America is also significantly smaller. If Blu-Ray has 90% of the High-definition market in Japan, what percent of Japan's movie sales are high-definition? What percent of homes outside of North America even have HDTVs? I would bet its a smaller ratio than here, as 40" - 60" televisions seems like an over-excessive American thing to me.
Or maybe he's just a guy that knows that the format war in other countries will not necessarily affect the outcome in his own and therefore, doesn't care about them.
Or maybe he's just a guy that knows that the format war in other countries will not necessarily affect the outcome in his own and therefore, doesn't care about them.
HEY!.... quit using logic in here... this thread is strictly limited to emotional responses! (preferably with a bit of name-calling thrown in for good measure.)
What are you, Marzetta7's second account? As I say to him, this is not a presidential election; nobody goes home empty-handed, and the loser having a 39% of the sales means nobody is getting "trounced". The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
Are you just this wrong, this often, intentionally? Goodness, I hope so, because if you're not, you've been so misinformed, you don't know what reality really is.
Let us take your falsehood of a statement in "The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere." And now let us take a look at he FACTS that directly CONTRADICT your falsehood...
And again, this is "just" NA numbers, where you see Blu-ray's Since Inception numbers that were actually at 41:59 in favor of HD DVD at the beginning of the year (January) and are now at 62:38 in favor of Blu-ray.
Mmm, yeah, moving 21 points in since inception ratio sales and yes, "trouncing" its competition at a ratio of roughly 2:1 all year long, week in week out, is really "gone nowhere"....yeah, maybe in HD DVD bizzaro world. And as others have stated, it is even worse internationally for HD DVD.
Come back to see us when HD DVD has something even close that resembles a valid argument or statement that isn't laced with FUD.
So are the studios going to come take away my HD DVDs since almost the entire movie-watching population is using standard-definition DVDs? Blu-Ray may have a larger share of the high-definition market outside North America, but I would bet the high-def to standard-def ratio outside of North America is also significantly smaller. If Blu-Ray has 90% of the High-definition market in Japan, what percent of Japan's movie sales are high-definition? What percent of homes outside of North America even have HDTVs? I would bet its a smaller ratio than here, as 40" - 60" televisions seems like an over-excessive American thing to me.
No, they certainly won't come take away your HD DVDs,...you'll simply be stuck with a relic that studios will no longer create movies for...if that is a "win" for you...well, enjoy your laserdisc/betamax player along with your loss of cash to your full potential. In the meantime the rest of the public will be busy buying movies in the de facto high-def standard in Blu-ray.
Are you just this wrong, this often, intentionally?
That's a very good question. In your own post we see that HD DVD is doing BETTER Year to Date than it was at the end of last January. Is that calendar year to date or since this date last year year to date? Either way HDDVD is showing improvement, I'm just curious.
The only numbers where HD DVD has slid significantly in the last year are since inception, which were skewed in HDDVD's favor at the beginning of this year since it had been out a good deal longer.
No, they certainly won't come take away your HD DVDs,...you'll simply be stuck with a relic that studios will no longer create movies for...if that is a "win" for you...well, enjoy your laserdisc/betamax player along with your loss of cash to your full potential. In the meantime the rest of the public will be busy buying movies in the de facto high-def standard in Blu-ray.
As usual, you are dreaming. Your analogy is flawed because Laserdiscs and Betamax tapes were physically incompatible with the standards that ultimately prevailed (DVD and VHS).
Both HDM standards are physically compatible. If almost 40% of HDM sales are going to HD-DVD (as your numbers say) the worst case scenario for HD-DVD adopters is dual-format players.
That's a very good question. In your own post we see that HD DVD is doing BETTER Year to Date than it was at the end of last January. Is that calendar year to date or since this date last year year to date? Either way HDDVD is showing improvement, I'm just curious.
The only numbers where HD DVD has slid significantly in the last year are since inception, which were skewed in HDDVD's favor at the beginning of this year since it had been out a good deal longer.
That is for 2007 YTD. More specifically, for the beginning of the year 2007 to the end of 2007.
HD DVD only had a two month head start on Blu-ray in 2006. The issue was not so much that HD DVD had been on the market for a good deal longer, but that the PS3 effect hadn't been realized yet at the end of June '06. The YTD numbers are higher at the beginning of '07 because you basically have the PS3 effect reeling as well as only two months in the YTD numbers compared to a more average based number over the span of 12 months with the latter YTD numbers. In essence, the YTD numbers have barely nudged...that is Blu-ray maintaining a roughly 2:1 sales ratio all year long, while increasing their since inception number by 21 points.
You'll be hard pressed to try and find why this is any "improvement" for HD DVD.
You'll be hard pressed to try and find why this is any "improvement" for HD DVD.
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
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And now let us take a look at he FACTS that directly CONTRADICT your falsehood...
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
As usual, you are dreaming. Your analogy is flawed because Laserdiscs and Betamax tapes were physically incompatible with the standards that ultimately prevailed (DVD and VHS).
Both HDM standards are physically compatible. If almost 40% of HDM sales are going to HD-DVD (as your numbers say) the worst case scenario for HD-DVD adopters is dual-format players.
I'm dreaming? Because I could have sworn these aren't "my numbers" as they are the numbers of a third party called Nielsen Videoscan. I think someone else is dreaming in a coma and refuses to come out to face the bitter reality of the true numbers.
My analogy is certainly not flawed, as if Warner does indeed go Blu-ray exclusive, you can pretty much guarantee that HD DVD will become a relic. HD DVD remaining studios will follow suit in supporting Blu-ray.
By the way, it is more like 38% for HD DVD for YTD and dwindling as time goes on. This is the trend (21 points and counting), and it hasn't stopped for a year now. Is the almighty "price" argument that has failed for HD DVD all this time finally going to be its saving grace? Doubt it, as there are already $275-$299 Blu-ray players already on the market and price parity will be fully realized by Q4 of '08...that is, if there is a Q4 for HD DVD in '08.
So, I disagree with you as the "worst case scenario" you've described is for Blu-ray adopters, if Warner decides to go HD DVD exclusive--dual-format players due to there being a stalemate in the market place if Warner indeed went HD DVD exclusive. That scenario is least to be desired (for us consumers and especially for the studios) as it will certainly banish high-def into the netherworld of niche. No, the worst case scenario for HD DVD adopters is indeed that their proponents, having wasted cash on their beloved, inferior format will have a relic, and one that studios no longer provide movies for. But heh, you are entitled to your dreams.
That scenario is least to be desired (for us consumers and especially for the studios) as it will certainly banish high-def into the netherworld of niche.
So if your HDM standard wins, everything will be rosy, but if the other guy's does, HDM is doomed to become a niche market?
This is why people absolutely hate Blu-Ray and its proponents. It's not the tech, it's the fanboys.
The Sony-inherited arrogance is always set to eleven, and FUD is merely a useful tool.
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
Either you are intentionally being naive, or simply don't understand numbers. Either way, I'd rather not waste the time or effort on one who is bent on trying to find exceptions and make them the rule.
You obviously need to understand that WE (week ending) is a a more volatile statistic, and goes up and down depending on number or releases, quality of releases, sales promotions, firesales, etc for each week. Do you you care to see the statistics WE for the week before when Blu-ray had a 76:24 ratio over HD DVD. In other words, WE is not supporting Cory or your weak assumptions. More falsehoods from you obviously.
Furthermore, again, with YTD if you've failed to "get it" the first time was only based upon 1 month of data with the first listing of data, whereas the latter of YTD data is based upon 12 months. In other words, you are attempting to support your weak assumption of "HD DVD improvement" from a fragment of data compared to the latter, more aggregate form of data. Again, more falsehoods from you, as this certainly doesn't support what Corey was stating...
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The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
What ratio Guartho? You obviously are taking it upon yourself to talk in Corey's behalf in what he really "meant." And obviously, Corey now will say that he meant the YTD numbers (even though he stated "this 'war' has gone nowhere"), just as you've done so as to give himself and yourself some sense of credibility in your statements and sentiment--that HD DVD is improving somehow or holding steady--when that couldn't be farther from the truth when looking at the overall numbers which IS SINCE INCEPTION. And in this number you find HD DVD getting trounced just as everyone else can pretty much see, but you and your compadres have difficulty in coming to terms with...obviously...as what I stated directly refuted what Corey and yourself imply--that HD DVD is improving or somehow holding steady. And yet, you attempt to extract smaller, compartmentalized bits of data and try to apply them as a whole...sorry guy, the overall or "whole" statistic is right there (SI)...and it shows Blu-ray increasing its marketshare ratio by 21 points over the past year, and moreso in the past year and a half.
So no, I'd say you're wrong too, on trying to claim I submitted statistics that supported Corey's argument whatsoever.
Furthermore, again, with YTD if you've failed to "get it" the first time was only based upon 1 month of data with the first listing of data, whereas the latter of YTD data is based upon 12 months. In other words, you are attempting to support your weak assumption of "HD DVD improvement" from a fragment of data compared to the latter, more aggregate form of data. Again, more falsehoods from you, as this certainly doesn't support what Corey was stating...
I can't believe I'm doing this... ah well. This is what I am getting from your numbers. The sales ratio for all of 2007 was approximately the same as the sales ratio for just January. The sales ratio for all of 2007 is slightly better for HDDVD than it was for just January. How is that not an improvement, albeit a rather insignificant one?
It totally and completely supports the assertion that the HDM purchasing patterns of this country have gone pretty much unchanged all year. To put it another way;
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he ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
There is just no way you can spin your own numbers to contradict his statement.
when that couldn't be farther from the truth when looking at the overall numbers which IS SINCE INCEPTION. And in this number you find HD DVD getting trounced just as everyone else can pretty much see,
To be frank, looking purely at Since Inception and ignoring the other numbers is retarded. A year ago Blu-ray was being well and thoroughly trounced in Since Inception. Currently Since Inception reflects roughly the same ratio as YTD and the old YTD ( January To Date if you will.) So looking at the data you yourself provided in order of most to least volatile number we see that it's roughly the same as it has been all along. AKA "this format war is going nowhere."
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
lol, too funny. Blu-Ray to HD DVD sales have sat at about 2 to 1 all year, but with the way Marz talks you'd think they had slipped to 9 to 1 in the past 12 months
The fact that HD DVD can still account for 40% of a week's worth of High Def sales means they've managed to hold a significant portion of the market despite the PS3. Anything over 25% marketshare is worth producing media for. Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner currently share that 40% of the market three ways, where-as if any of them went Blu-Ray exclusive they'd be sharing 60% of the market five ways with Sony, Disney/Pixar, Fox, and Warner. Pretty dumb move, IMO.
Combo players make more sense by the day; let each studio stick to whichever format they prefer, and let the consumer not have to worry about it. Seems more logical than abandoning 40% of the high-definition market.
To be frank, looking purely at Since Inception and ignoring the other numbers is retarded. A year ago Blu-ray was being well and thoroughly trounced in Since Inception. Currently Since Inception reflects roughly the same ratio as YTD and the old YTD ( January To Date if you will.) So looking at the data you yourself provided in order of most to least volatile number we see that it's roughly the same as it has been all along. AKA "this format war is going nowhere."
Good gosh man...you still aren't taking into account that HUGE factor called TIME. I know taking snapshots in certain points in time are HD DVD proponents "thing" but as we all know has been shown to be a fallacy much like you are attempting to do with the figures I submitted earlier. What is retarded is taking a YTD figure for 2007 after 1 month and saying that over a twelve month span, once the YTD figure has matured and averaged out, that HD DVD has improved.
Yes Blu-ray was thouroughly getting trounced when the market was about 4-6 months old and no PS3 or standalone player other than the Samsung could be had. Moreover, Universal was popping out movies as fast as they could, and actually had the content advantage. Now, take into account another year and 2 more months. That's a more mature and robust sampling my friend. And the only one getting trounced is HD DVD, as Blu-ray not only caught up to HD DVD, but surpassed them and averaged (and maintained) a 2:1 sales ratio over HD DVD in the states despite having one studio MIA in Fox for 9 months out of the year AND losing a studio to HD DVD due to the Microsoft/Toshiba $150 million dollar bribe.
It amazes me that getting outsold 2:1 is somehow progress for HD DVD proponents and is considered "going nowhere." I guess when the ratio approaches 3:1, you guys will be calling it market saturation, or something else equally as ridiculous.
lol, too funny. Blu-Ray to HD DVD sales have sat at about 2 to 1 all year, but with the way Marz talks you'd think they had slipped to 9 to 1 in the past 12 months
The fact that HD DVD can still account for 40% of a week's worth of High Def sales means they've managed to hold a significant portion of the market despite the PS3. Anything over 25% marketshare is worth producing media for. Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner currently share that 40% of the market three ways, where-as if any of them went Blu-Ray exclusive they'd be sharing 60% of the market five ways with Sony, Disney/Pixar, Fox, and Warner. Pretty dumb move, IMO.
Combo players make more sense by the day; let each studio stick to whichever format they prefer, and let the consumer not have to worry about it. Seems more logical than abandoning 40% of the high-definition market.
Not dumb at all when you take the time to consider that if Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive, they avoid high-def going niche due to two formats being on the market. What's more logical? Either Warner...
1) Staying neutral and prolonging the inevitable victory of the Blu-ray format, and quite possibly harming the high-def market as a whole as consumers wait out. Not to mention affecting their bottom line when if they dropped neutrality to Blu-ray they would allow mass consumption of high-def media to insue.
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2) Going HD DVD exclusive and TRULY causing a stalemate in the market of movie content, thus giving the whole high-def market its own version of seppuku. Not to mention probably not being in the best interest of Warner considering they are in the business of making $$$ of of disc sales.
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3) Going Blu-ray exclusive and in one blow ending the format war and allowing mass consumption of high-def media to be realized. Not to mention probably being in the best interest in Warner as well as the majority of the high-def consumers as it would allow high-def to become mainstream, and allow profits to rise exponentially due to an increase in demand.
Moreover, the 38% share of the market SI (NOT 40%) that HD DVD has, has dropped--like I said earlier--21 points over the 12 month span of 2007. Progress indeed...into an abyss. But maybe this drop is the sign of a "stalemate" you are talking about...
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Thats unfortunate for you then since the movie studios do need to care about what the rest of the world is using, since they'll be selling their movies in other territories than the US.
So are the studios going to come take away my HD DVDs since almost the entire movie-watching population is using standard-definition DVDs? Blu-Ray may have a larger share of the high-definition market outside North America, but I would bet the high-def to standard-def ratio outside of North America is also significantly smaller. If Blu-Ray has 90% of the High-definition market in Japan, what percent of Japan's movie sales are high-definition? What percent of homes outside of North America even have HDTVs? I would bet its a smaller ratio than here, as 40" - 60" televisions seems like an over-excessive American thing to me.
I care as much about what Europe and Japan are watching as I do about VCDs and the PAL format.
You really are a complete ass
Or maybe he's just a guy that knows that the format war in other countries will not necessarily affect the outcome in his own and therefore, doesn't care about them.
HEY!.... quit using logic in here... this thread is strictly limited to emotional responses! (preferably with a bit of name-calling thrown in for good measure.)
What are you, Marzetta7's second account? As I say to him, this is not a presidential election; nobody goes home empty-handed, and the loser having a 39% of the sales means nobody is getting "trounced". The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
Are you just this wrong, this often, intentionally? Goodness, I hope so, because if you're not, you've been so misinformed, you don't know what reality really is.
Let us take your falsehood of a statement in "The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere." And now let us take a look at he FACTS that directly CONTRADICT your falsehood...
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending January 28th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1107/index.php
WE: BD-70% HDD-30% YTD: BD-68% HDD-32% SI: BD-49% HDD-51%
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending December 16th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...3007/index.php
WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%
And again, this is "just" NA numbers, where you see Blu-ray's Since Inception numbers that were actually at 41:59 in favor of HD DVD at the beginning of the year (January) and are now at 62:38 in favor of Blu-ray.
Mmm, yeah, moving 21 points in since inception ratio sales and yes, "trouncing" its competition at a ratio of roughly 2:1 all year long, week in week out, is really "gone nowhere"....yeah, maybe in HD DVD bizzaro world.
Come back to see us when HD DVD has something even close that resembles a valid argument or statement that isn't laced with FUD.
So are the studios going to come take away my HD DVDs since almost the entire movie-watching population is using standard-definition DVDs? Blu-Ray may have a larger share of the high-definition market outside North America, but I would bet the high-def to standard-def ratio outside of North America is also significantly smaller. If Blu-Ray has 90% of the High-definition market in Japan, what percent of Japan's movie sales are high-definition? What percent of homes outside of North America even have HDTVs? I would bet its a smaller ratio than here, as 40" - 60" televisions seems like an over-excessive American thing to me.
No, they certainly won't come take away your HD DVDs,...you'll simply be stuck with a relic that studios will no longer create movies for...if that is a "win" for you...well, enjoy your laserdisc/betamax player along with your loss of cash to your full potential.
Are you just this wrong, this often, intentionally?
That's a very good question. In your own post we see that HD DVD is doing BETTER Year to Date than it was at the end of last January. Is that calendar year to date or since this date last year year to date? Either way HDDVD is showing improvement, I'm just curious.
The only numbers where HD DVD has slid significantly in the last year are since inception, which were skewed in HDDVD's favor at the beginning of this year since it had been out a good deal longer.
No, they certainly won't come take away your HD DVDs,...you'll simply be stuck with a relic that studios will no longer create movies for...if that is a "win" for you...well, enjoy your laserdisc/betamax player along with your loss of cash to your full potential.
As usual, you are dreaming. Your analogy is flawed because Laserdiscs and Betamax tapes were physically incompatible with the standards that ultimately prevailed (DVD and VHS).
Both HDM standards are physically compatible. If almost 40% of HDM sales are going to HD-DVD (as your numbers say) the worst case scenario for HD-DVD adopters is dual-format players.
That's a very good question. In your own post we see that HD DVD is doing BETTER Year to Date than it was at the end of last January. Is that calendar year to date or since this date last year year to date? Either way HDDVD is showing improvement, I'm just curious.
The only numbers where HD DVD has slid significantly in the last year are since inception, which were skewed in HDDVD's favor at the beginning of this year since it had been out a good deal longer.
That is for 2007 YTD. More specifically, for the beginning of the year 2007 to the end of 2007.
HD DVD only had a two month head start on Blu-ray in 2006. The issue was not so much that HD DVD had been on the market for a good deal longer, but that the PS3 effect hadn't been realized yet at the end of June '06. The YTD numbers are higher at the beginning of '07 because you basically have the PS3 effect reeling as well as only two months in the YTD numbers compared to a more average based number over the span of 12 months with the latter YTD numbers. In essence, the YTD numbers have barely nudged...that is Blu-ray maintaining a roughly 2:1 sales ratio all year long, while increasing their since inception number by 21 points.
You'll be hard pressed to try and find why this is any "improvement" for HD DVD.
You'll be hard pressed to try and find why this is any "improvement" for HD DVD.
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
And now let us take a look at he FACTS that directly CONTRADICT your falsehood...
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
As usual, you are dreaming. Your analogy is flawed because Laserdiscs and Betamax tapes were physically incompatible with the standards that ultimately prevailed (DVD and VHS).
Both HDM standards are physically compatible. If almost 40% of HDM sales are going to HD-DVD (as your numbers say) the worst case scenario for HD-DVD adopters is dual-format players.
I'm dreaming? Because I could have sworn these aren't "my numbers" as they are the numbers of a third party called Nielsen Videoscan. I think someone else is dreaming in a coma and refuses to come out to face the bitter reality of the true numbers.
My analogy is certainly not flawed, as if Warner does indeed go Blu-ray exclusive, you can pretty much guarantee that HD DVD will become a relic. HD DVD remaining studios will follow suit in supporting Blu-ray.
By the way, it is more like 38% for HD DVD for YTD and dwindling as time goes on. This is the trend (21 points and counting), and it hasn't stopped for a year now. Is the almighty "price" argument that has failed for HD DVD all this time finally going to be its saving grace? Doubt it, as there are already $275-$299 Blu-ray players already on the market and price parity will be fully realized by Q4 of '08...that is, if there is a Q4 for HD DVD in '08.
So, I disagree with you as the "worst case scenario" you've described is for Blu-ray adopters, if Warner decides to go HD DVD exclusive--dual-format players due to there being a stalemate in the market place if Warner indeed went HD DVD exclusive. That scenario is least to be desired (for us consumers and especially for the studios) as it will certainly banish high-def into the netherworld of niche. No, the worst case scenario for HD DVD adopters is indeed that their proponents, having wasted cash on their beloved, inferior format will have a relic, and one that studios no longer provide movies for. But heh, you are entitled to your dreams.
That scenario is least to be desired (for us consumers and especially for the studios) as it will certainly banish high-def into the netherworld of niche.
So if your HDM standard wins, everything will be rosy, but if the other guy's does, HDM is doomed to become a niche market?
This is why people absolutely hate Blu-Ray and its proponents. It's not the tech, it's the fanboys.
The Sony-inherited arrogance is always set to eleven, and FUD is merely a useful tool.
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
Either you are intentionally being naive, or simply don't understand numbers. Either way, I'd rather not waste the time or effort on one who is bent on trying to find exceptions and make them the rule.
You obviously need to understand that WE (week ending) is a a more volatile statistic, and goes up and down depending on number or releases, quality of releases, sales promotions, firesales, etc for each week. Do you you care to see the statistics WE for the week before when Blu-ray had a 76:24 ratio over HD DVD. In other words, WE is not supporting Cory or your weak assumptions. More falsehoods from you obviously.
Furthermore, again, with YTD if you've failed to "get it" the first time was only based upon 1 month of data with the first listing of data, whereas the latter of YTD data is based upon 12 months. In other words, you are attempting to support your weak assumption of "HD DVD improvement" from a fragment of data compared to the latter, more aggregate form of data. Again, more falsehoods from you, as this certainly doesn't support what Corey was stating...
The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
What ratio Guartho? You obviously are taking it upon yourself to talk in Corey's behalf in what he really "meant." And obviously, Corey now will say that he meant the YTD numbers (even though he stated "this 'war' has gone nowhere"), just as you've done so as to give himself and yourself some sense of credibility in your statements and sentiment--that HD DVD is improving somehow or holding steady--when that couldn't be farther from the truth when looking at the overall numbers which IS SINCE INCEPTION. And in this number you find HD DVD getting trounced just as everyone else can pretty much see, but you and your compadres have difficulty in coming to terms with...obviously...as what I stated directly refuted what Corey and yourself imply--that HD DVD is improving or somehow holding steady. And yet, you attempt to extract smaller, compartmentalized bits of data and try to apply them as a whole...sorry guy, the overall or "whole" statistic is right there (SI)...and it shows Blu-ray increasing its marketshare ratio by 21 points over the past year, and moreso in the past year and a half.
So no, I'd say you're wrong too, on trying to claim I submitted statistics that supported Corey's argument whatsoever.
Furthermore, again, with YTD if you've failed to "get it" the first time was only based upon 1 month of data with the first listing of data, whereas the latter of YTD data is based upon 12 months. In other words, you are attempting to support your weak assumption of "HD DVD improvement" from a fragment of data compared to the latter, more aggregate form of data. Again, more falsehoods from you, as this certainly doesn't support what Corey was stating...
I can't believe I'm doing this... ah well. This is what I am getting from your numbers. The sales ratio for all of 2007 was approximately the same as the sales ratio for just January. The sales ratio for all of 2007 is slightly better for HDDVD than it was for just January. How is that not an improvement, albeit a rather insignificant one?
It totally and completely supports the assertion that the HDM purchasing patterns of this country have gone pretty much unchanged all year. To put it another way;
he ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
There is just no way you can spin your own numbers to contradict his statement.
when that couldn't be farther from the truth when looking at the overall numbers which IS SINCE INCEPTION. And in this number you find HD DVD getting trounced just as everyone else can pretty much see,
To be frank, looking purely at Since Inception and ignoring the other numbers is retarded. A year ago Blu-ray was being well and thoroughly trounced in Since Inception. Currently Since Inception reflects roughly the same ratio as YTD and the old YTD ( January To Date if you will.) So looking at the data you yourself provided in order of most to least volatile number we see that it's roughly the same as it has been all along. AKA "this format war is going nowhere."
It's not much of an improvement, that's certain. It's what I and Cory Bauer would call "roughly the same" as February. But HD DVD is showing an improvement in 2 out of 3 of the statistics you yourself posted.
you said
and immediately posted numbers that directly supported his falsehood.
lol, too funny. Blu-Ray to HD DVD sales have sat at about 2 to 1 all year, but with the way Marz talks you'd think they had slipped to 9 to 1 in the past 12 months
The fact that HD DVD can still account for 40% of a week's worth of High Def sales means they've managed to hold a significant portion of the market despite the PS3. Anything over 25% marketshare is worth producing media for. Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner currently share that 40% of the market three ways, where-as if any of them went Blu-Ray exclusive they'd be sharing 60% of the market five ways with Sony, Disney/Pixar, Fox, and Warner. Pretty dumb move, IMO.
Combo players make more sense by the day; let each studio stick to whichever format they prefer, and let the consumer not have to worry about it. Seems more logical than abandoning 40% of the high-definition market.
To be frank, looking purely at Since Inception and ignoring the other numbers is retarded. A year ago Blu-ray was being well and thoroughly trounced in Since Inception. Currently Since Inception reflects roughly the same ratio as YTD and the old YTD ( January To Date if you will.) So looking at the data you yourself provided in order of most to least volatile number we see that it's roughly the same as it has been all along. AKA "this format war is going nowhere."
Good gosh man...you still aren't taking into account that HUGE factor called TIME. I know taking snapshots in certain points in time are HD DVD proponents "thing" but as we all know has been shown to be a fallacy much like you are attempting to do with the figures I submitted earlier. What is retarded is taking a YTD figure for 2007 after 1 month and saying that over a twelve month span, once the YTD figure has matured and averaged out, that HD DVD has improved.
Yes Blu-ray was thouroughly getting trounced when the market was about 4-6 months old and no PS3 or standalone player other than the Samsung could be had. Moreover, Universal was popping out movies as fast as they could, and actually had the content advantage. Now, take into account another year and 2 more months. That's a more mature and robust sampling my friend. And the only one getting trounced is HD DVD, as Blu-ray not only caught up to HD DVD, but surpassed them and averaged (and maintained) a 2:1 sales ratio over HD DVD in the states despite having one studio MIA in Fox for 9 months out of the year AND losing a studio to HD DVD due to the Microsoft/Toshiba $150 million dollar bribe.
It amazes me that getting outsold 2:1 is somehow progress for HD DVD proponents and is considered "going nowhere." I guess when the ratio approaches 3:1, you guys will be calling it market saturation, or something else equally as ridiculous.
lol, too funny. Blu-Ray to HD DVD sales have sat at about 2 to 1 all year, but with the way Marz talks you'd think they had slipped to 9 to 1 in the past 12 months
The fact that HD DVD can still account for 40% of a week's worth of High Def sales means they've managed to hold a significant portion of the market despite the PS3. Anything over 25% marketshare is worth producing media for. Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner currently share that 40% of the market three ways, where-as if any of them went Blu-Ray exclusive they'd be sharing 60% of the market five ways with Sony, Disney/Pixar, Fox, and Warner. Pretty dumb move, IMO.
Combo players make more sense by the day; let each studio stick to whichever format they prefer, and let the consumer not have to worry about it. Seems more logical than abandoning 40% of the high-definition market.
Not dumb at all when you take the time to consider that if Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive, they avoid high-def going niche due to two formats being on the market. What's more logical? Either Warner...
1) Staying neutral and prolonging the inevitable victory of the Blu-ray format, and quite possibly harming the high-def market as a whole as consumers wait out. Not to mention affecting their bottom line when if they dropped neutrality to Blu-ray they would allow mass consumption of high-def media to insue.
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2) Going HD DVD exclusive and TRULY causing a stalemate in the market of movie content, thus giving the whole high-def market its own version of seppuku. Not to mention probably not being in the best interest of Warner considering they are in the business of making $$$ of of disc sales.
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3) Going Blu-ray exclusive and in one blow ending the format war and allowing mass consumption of high-def media to be realized. Not to mention probably being in the best interest in Warner as well as the majority of the high-def consumers as it would allow high-def to become mainstream, and allow profits to rise exponentially due to an increase in demand.
Moreover, the 38% share of the market SI (NOT 40%) that HD DVD has, has dropped--like I said earlier--21 points over the 12 month span of 2007. Progress indeed...into an abyss. But maybe this drop is the sign of a "stalemate" you are talking about...